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Anonymous Coward User ID: 11812402 United States 05/23/2012 01:20 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Travis Bickle Actually.... MINE are in my safe. (Including my school transcripts) Along with my Wife and Children's BC's, Passports, Marriage License, Original Social Security cards. PROVE IT! I'm a kind of sheriff as well and I have exactly as much jurisdiction at your place as Arapaio in Hawaii. Your Slovenian jurisdiction doesn't extend beyond your borders... And when asked, for my entire life, I always have proven it! That's what I'm trying to point out; Arpaio's jurisdiction doesn't extend beyond Arizonan borders. * As Sheriff working on a COLD CASE as he is, he has jurisdiction where it takes him for case investigation. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 16546094 Slovenia 05/23/2012 01:24 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 16546094 PROVE IT! I'm a kind of sheriff as well and I have exactly as much jurisdiction at your place as Arapaio in Hawaii. Your Slovenian jurisdiction doesn't extend beyond your borders... And when asked, for my entire life, I always have proven it! That's what I'm trying to point out; Arpaio's jurisdiction doesn't extend beyond Arizonan borders. * Really??? So Peace Officers in the United States are BARRED from pursuing FEDERAL crimes???? Not so my foreign friend. There are many ways that Federal crimes can be investigated and handled by Local jurisdictions, however MOST federal crimes are handed off to Federal agencies as a matter of practice. Yet, when the Fereral agency takes no interest in the case, it falls back on the local jurisiction to either follow through locally or drop it. Sheriff Joe is obviously NOT dropping it. Travis, I coincidentally know something about the US jurisprudence; let me put it simply: ARIZONIAN SHERIFF HAS NO JURISDICTION IN HAWAII. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 11812402 United States 05/23/2012 01:24 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | NO hate, just don't understand the whole "birth-er" thing. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 16527024 To me, it just feeds into that Liberal bullshit that Republicans all live in trailers, eat corn dogs with 10 kids running around the front lawn of the trailer park. That were all gay hating, raciest asses. In case you didn't know, the whole birth-er thing comes off, well, just bad. No actually decent GOP i can think of has stepped up to even weight in. Sorry, trump is just an ass, who went bankrupt and put the bill on the US, so not a lot of creditably their. I have yet to see any tangible proof. Calling a rock a chair, doesn't make it a chair. There no way to prove or disprove. If you really want to attack Obama, you might want to make an actually framed argument. Up to you, play the part of the ignorant raciest. Or learn the truth, do some research, and make a intelligent based decisions. Hard to do when the media and troves of his associates hid the facts from us. LA times has OBAMA at MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD, with deep ties. They refuse to release the story. They have sat on it since the last election. They are all complicit in covering up who the real OBAMA is due exactly to their LIBERAL leanings to make this man a god. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 16546094 Slovenia 05/23/2012 01:27 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 16546094 PROVE IT! I'm a kind of sheriff as well and I have exactly as much jurisdiction at your place as Arapaio in Hawaii. Your Slovenian jurisdiction doesn't extend beyond your borders... And when asked, for my entire life, I always have proven it! That's what I'm trying to point out; Arpaio's jurisdiction doesn't extend beyond Arizonan borders. * As Sheriff working on a COLD CASE as he is, he has jurisdiction where it takes him for case investigation. Only in your wet dream. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 11812402 United States 05/23/2012 01:28 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Heintje, this must your first experience with Brfoons or you're not German. [link to politicalwire.com] Miriam Goderich issued the following statement to Political Wire: "You're undoubtedly aware of the brouhaha stirred up by Breitbart about the erroneous statement in a client list Acton & Dystel published in 1991 (for circulation within the publishing industry only) that Barack Obama was born in Kenya. This was nothing more than a fact checking error by me -- an agency assistant at the time. There was never any information given to us by Obama in any of his correspondence or other communications suggesting in any way that he was born in Kenya and not Hawaii. I hope you can communicate to your readers that this was a simple mistake and nothing more." * Seems like every where around Obama, are people claiming MISTAKES. They take the fall for him, why must we cover this up? What ELSE don't we know its completely troubling. The problem with Bithers is that you keep on fishing after any kind of tidbit that might support your agenda (regardless how irrelevant it is) while ignoring or denying hard core evidences that contradict it. Birther "champions" (like Oily Taitz) have tried their alleged “evidences” on courts more than 80 times - but failed each and every time. In most cases courts dismiss their cases sua ponte due inanity of legal filing. You got nothing. * She has failed not due to the facts but due to the condition that she has no authority to see such documents, not because they are "real". Maybe you should learn a little and then open that pretty little mouth of yours. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 11812402 United States 05/23/2012 01:30 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Travis Bickle Your Slovenian jurisdiction doesn't extend beyond your borders... And when asked, for my entire life, I always have proven it! That's what I'm trying to point out; Arpaio's jurisdiction doesn't extend beyond Arizonan borders. * As Sheriff working on a COLD CASE as he is, he has jurisdiction where it takes him for case investigation. Only in your wet dream. Jurisdiction VS authority. He has authority to follow him WHERE EVER needs be. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 8625162 United States 05/23/2012 01:34 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I was compelled to write the author an email: There were and still are legitimate questions of authenticity involving multiple “legal” documents provided by the Obama administration. I’d like to see you try to get a driver’s license using a pdf image of your birth certificate that has at least 20+ layers in it and see if you don’t get laughed out of the office. The fact that you tried so very hard to belittle this situation with your oh so witty commentary shows how little you truly know. In fact, according to the Constitution and MULTIPLE supreme court cases, a natural born citizen is a person born of two American citizens, whereas there are no dual citizenships. So even if the Hawaii birth cert were in fact original, it still wouldn’t amount to a hill of beans constitutionally because Obama’s father was a British citizen at his birth, thereby passing his citizenship to Obama. Also, there’s the little problem of having to renounce citizenship to become an Indonesian citizen as well, which Obama was, but we’ll just look over that detail and poke fun at honest Americans seeking truth. It’s much easier to write an article full of puns and silly sayings to discredit someone’s character. It’s an entirely different animal to take a look at hard evidence and follow the story. I’m sure someone will tell you what to believe soon enough though, just have faith. Obama will take care of everything. |
Travis Bickle (OP) Vigilantes need love too.... User ID: 1484907 United States 05/23/2012 01:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Travis Bickle Your Slovenian jurisdiction doesn't extend beyond your borders... And when asked, for my entire life, I always have proven it! That's what I'm trying to point out; Arpaio's jurisdiction doesn't extend beyond Arizonan borders. * Really??? So Peace Officers in the United States are BARRED from pursuing FEDERAL crimes???? Not so my foreign friend. There are many ways that Federal crimes can be investigated and handled by Local jurisdictions, however MOST federal crimes are handed off to Federal agencies as a matter of practice. Yet, when the Fereral agency takes no interest in the case, it falls back on the local jurisiction to either follow through locally or drop it. Sheriff Joe is obviously NOT dropping it. Travis, I coincidentally know something about the US jurisprudence; let me put it simply: ARIZONIAN SHERIFF HAS NO JURISDICTION IN HAWAII. You may indeed know a bit about jurisprudence however, you're NOT thinking this through... Sheriff Joe, The SHERIFF of Maricopa County, perceives the Birth Certificate presented to "prove eligibility" for a United States Presidential Candidate to be a FORGERY, therefore defrauding the people of the United States. [link to www.law.cornell.edu] In such, a federal CRIME (18 USC § 1002, to be specific), may have been committed. He has brought this to the attention of the Media and the Federal Authorities, and they have chosen to NOT continue his investigation. HOWEVER, being that Arizona is WITHIN the United States, HE, and the other residents within the County of Maricopa were the Victims of a possible fraud. and therefore he HAS jurisdiction on the investigation. Now, that investigation has led his investigators out of state.... As much as I hate to use Wikipedia as a reference, I am busy and do not feel like researching the applicable case law supporting what this link describes: [link to en.wikipedia.org] So, perhaps your knowledge of jurisprudence is a bit more in tune with your region. In this case, Jurisdiction is not an issue. One of these days... A *REAL* rain is gonna come and wash all this scum off the streets. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 16546094 Slovenia 05/23/2012 01:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 16546094 Heintje, this must your first experience with Brfoons or you're not German. [link to politicalwire.com] Miriam Goderich issued the following statement to Political Wire: "You're undoubtedly aware of the brouhaha stirred up by Breitbart about the erroneous statement in a client list Acton & Dystel published in 1991 (for circulation within the publishing industry only) that Barack Obama was born in Kenya. This was nothing more than a fact checking error by me -- an agency assistant at the time. There was never any information given to us by Obama in any of his correspondence or other communications suggesting in any way that he was born in Kenya and not Hawaii. I hope you can communicate to your readers that this was a simple mistake and nothing more." * Seems like every where around Obama, are people claiming MISTAKES. They take the fall for him, why must we cover this up? What ELSE don't we know its completely troubling. The problem with Bithers is that you keep on fishing after any kind of tidbit that might support your agenda (regardless how irrelevant it is) while ignoring or denying hard core evidences that contradict it. Birther "champions" (like Oily Taitz) have tried their alleged “evidences” on courts more than 80 times - but failed each and every time. In most cases courts dismiss their cases sua ponte due inanity of legal filing. You got nothing. * She has failed not due to the facts but due to the condition that she has no authority to see such documents, not because they are "real". Maybe you should learn a little and then open that pretty little mouth of yours. Legal standing (what Oily lacks at her pseud-legal diatribes) is an integral part of the US jurisprudence - aren't you Birthers strictly following laws? On the other hand, Alan Kayes got the standing, but he failed at his case (Keyes vs. Bowen) nevertheless. * |
A Friend User ID: 16551918 United States 05/23/2012 01:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I was compelled to write the author an email: Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8625162 There were and still are legitimate questions of authenticity involving multiple “legal” documents provided by the Obama administration. I’d like to see you try to get a driver’s license using a pdf image of your birth certificate that has at least 20+ layers in it and see if you don’t get laughed out of the office. The fact that you tried so very hard to belittle this situation with your oh so witty commentary shows how little you truly know. In fact, according to the Constitution and MULTIPLE supreme court cases, a natural born citizen is a person born of two American citizens, whereas there are no dual citizenships. So even if the Hawaii birth cert were in fact original, it still wouldn’t amount to a hill of beans constitutionally because Obama’s father was a British citizen at his birth, thereby passing his citizenship to Obama. Also, there’s the little problem of having to renounce citizenship to become an Indonesian citizen as well, which Obama was, but we’ll just look over that detail and poke fun at honest Americans seeking truth. It’s much easier to write an article full of puns and silly sayings to discredit someone’s character. It’s an entirely different animal to take a look at hard evidence and follow the story. I’m sure someone will tell you what to believe soon enough though, just have faith. Obama will take care of everything. Well done. But Lord, he stinketh! :fnecsm: "When the sky crackles in an electric dance of a beautiful requiem of lapis lazuli, maybe you will remember..." ~ Anonymous Coward 77360040 |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 11812402 United States 05/23/2012 01:42 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I was compelled to write the author an email: Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8625162 There were and still are legitimate questions of authenticity involving multiple “legal” documents provided by the Obama administration. I’d like to see you try to get a driver’s license using a pdf image of your birth certificate that has at least 20+ layers in it and see if you don’t get laughed out of the office. The fact that you tried so very hard to belittle this situation with your oh so witty commentary shows how little you truly know. In fact, according to the Constitution and MULTIPLE supreme court cases, a natural born citizen is a person born of two American citizens, whereas there are no dual citizenships. So even if the Hawaii birth cert were in fact original, it still wouldn’t amount to a hill of beans constitutionally because Obama’s father was a British citizen at his birth, thereby passing his citizenship to Obama. Also, there’s the little problem of having to renounce citizenship to become an Indonesian citizen as well, which Obama was, but we’ll just look over that detail and poke fun at honest Americans seeking truth. It’s much easier to write an article full of puns and silly sayings to discredit someone’s character. It’s an entirely different animal to take a look at hard evidence and follow the story. I’m sure someone will tell you what to believe soon enough though, just have faith. Obama will take care of everything. NICE! Wished it would not fall on "DEAF EYES" but sadly it will. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 11812402 United States 05/23/2012 01:45 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11812402 Seems like every where around Obama, are people claiming MISTAKES. They take the fall for him, why must we cover this up? What ELSE don't we know its completely troubling. The problem with Bithers is that you keep on fishing after any kind of tidbit that might support your agenda (regardless how irrelevant it is) while ignoring or denying hard core evidences that contradict it. Birther "champions" (like Oily Taitz) have tried their alleged “evidences” on courts more than 80 times - but failed each and every time. In most cases courts dismiss their cases sua ponte due inanity of legal filing. You got nothing. * She has failed not due to the facts but due to the condition that she has no authority to see such documents, not because they are "real". Maybe you should learn a little and then open that pretty little mouth of yours. Legal standing (what Oily lacks at her pseud-legal diatribes) is an integral part of the US jurisprudence - aren't you Birthers strictly following laws? On the other hand, Alan Kayes got the standing, but he failed at his case (Keyes vs. Bowen) nevertheless. * Jails are full of innocent people, your comment in no way disproves this case. IE: The Innocence Project, even when PROVEN innocent often times these people stay in prison, your point proves ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!!! |
LD50 User ID: 966388 United States 05/23/2012 01:47 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | And so our intrepid sheriff, Joe Arpaio -- not content with Secretary of State Ken Bennett's electoral probe -- has dispatched a deputy and his posse to Hawaii as part of his criminal investigation into the curious matter of Barack Obama's birth certificate. Quoting: Travis Bickle Arpaio says his investigators showed up on Monday at the Hawaii Department of Health but couldn't get past the lobby. Read more: [link to www.azcentral.com] It seems that the Good Sheriff is looking for his own answers. Good for him! I live in AZ and, until this came up, I could not stand Sheriff Joe! He is a media whore who pays more attention to his fame than catching sexual predators. He lets horrible cases of crimes against women and children fall through the cracks while he gains media attention for his alternative (anti)immigration tactics and treatment of inmates. BUT, this birth cert stuff may just get him his first vote from me! More power to him....and his massive disgusting greasy comb-over. I want proof too! |
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Your Mom User ID: 8150527 United States 05/23/2012 01:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | the child from Slovenia obviously doesn't know dick from vagina... so let's educate. 1. the "birther" BS all started from the Clintons. i'd be willing to bet they know A LOT more than any of us (in regards to Obama's background). my guess... they knew "all this" (weird records, sealed past, "funny" biographies, grandparents claims of birth in other lands, etc. i mean, it's not odd AT ALL that the Hilary camp starts the birther "movement" and then magically... POOOOF... in the Obama's back pocket (not hard to figure out... i'm sure there is plenty more to learn "dirt-wise" on Hilary. so... shhhhh. you keep quiet, i keep quiet... we both win). 2. the breitbart "news" has NOTHING to do with "birthers." its pointing out the obvious. this president of ours has done so much shady shit it isn't funny. his wife stating his "homeland" is kenya (seriously, it's all over youtube. on that note, having parents of different nationalities... and being born in the US... i've never stated my homeland is anywhere other than the US). i could go ON AND ON AND ON about this... but it's all been beaten to death. 3. your sorry ass "let me see your BC and SSN" argument is horrendous. sorry, but no one here works for you! the President of the United States works for the citizens of the United States... and we pay him! If you want to give one of us a job, and you require we provide you with the said documents, i doubt anyone (well, almost) would have a problem providing the information. a safe bet? the President has used his "shady" past to further his career at every opportunity. if it sounds good to be Kenyan, be Kenyan (hello college, scholarships, entrance to top US universities)... if it sounds good (or is necessary) to be American, be American (hello Presidency). you have very limited knowledge of basic US law... yet seem to think you have as much jurisdiction as a Sheriff in the US? laughable! Miriam Goderich issued the following statement to Political Wire: "You're undoubtedly aware of the brouhaha stirred up by Breitbart about the erroneous statement in a client list Acton & Dystel published in 1991 (for circulation within the publishing industry only) that Barack Obama was born in Kenya. This was nothing more than a fact checking error by me -- an agency assistant at the time. There was never any information given to us by Obama in any of his correspondence or other communications suggesting in any way that he was born in Kenya and not Hawaii. I hope you can communicate to your readers that this was a simple mistake and nothing more." so.... they just made up the Kenya part? Or... plagiarized it from somewhere else? no one noticed the mistake for 20 years? meh... i'll just stop. arguing with an Obama-bot is worse than arguing with a birther! please... bring something to the table... not drivel. mkay? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 11812402 United States 05/23/2012 01:50 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | And so our intrepid sheriff, Joe Arpaio -- not content with Secretary of State Ken Bennett's electoral probe -- has dispatched a deputy and his posse to Hawaii as part of his criminal investigation into the curious matter of Barack Obama's birth certificate. Quoting: Travis Bickle Arpaio says his investigators showed up on Monday at the Hawaii Department of Health but couldn't get past the lobby. Read more: [link to www.azcentral.com] It seems that the Good Sheriff is looking for his own answers. Good for him! I live in AZ and, until this came up, I could not stand Sheriff Joe! He is a media whore who pays more attention to his fame than catching sexual predators. He lets horrible cases of crimes against women and children fall through the cracks while he gains media attention for his alternative (anti)immigration tactics and treatment of inmates. BUT, this birth cert stuff may just get him his first vote from me! More power to him....and his massive disgusting greasy comb-over. I want proof too! Thats how I feel to, I live in Mesa, I am rethinking old sheriff Joe, he is like 70 years old you know, he prob will be the next one who "DIES" in his sleep, I fear. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 16546094 Slovenia 05/23/2012 01:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 16546094 That's what I'm trying to point out; Arpaio's jurisdiction doesn't extend beyond Arizonan borders. * Really??? So Peace Officers in the United States are BARRED from pursuing FEDERAL crimes???? Not so my foreign friend. There are many ways that Federal crimes can be investigated and handled by Local jurisdictions, however MOST federal crimes are handed off to Federal agencies as a matter of practice. Yet, when the Fereral agency takes no interest in the case, it falls back on the local jurisiction to either follow through locally or drop it. Sheriff Joe is obviously NOT dropping it. Travis, I coincidentally know something about the US jurisprudence; let me put it simply: ARIZONIAN SHERIFF HAS NO JURISDICTION IN HAWAII. You may indeed know a bit about jurisprudence however, you're NOT thinking this through... Sheriff Joe, The SHERIFF of Maricopa County, perceives the Birth Certificate presented to "prove eligibility" for a United States Presidential Candidate to be a FORGERY, therefore defrauding the people of the United States. [link to www.law.cornell.edu] In such, a federal CRIME (18 USC § 1002, to be specific), may have been committed. He has brought this to the attention of the Media and the Federal Authorities, and they have chosen to NOT continue his investigation. HOWEVER, being that Arizona is WITHIN the United States, HE, and the other residents within the County of Maricopa were the Victims of a possible fraud. and therefore he HAS jurisdiction on the investigation. Now, that investigation has led his investigators out of state.... As much as I hate to use Wikipedia as a reference, I am busy and do not feel like researching the applicable case law supporting what this link describes: [link to en.wikipedia.org] So, perhaps your knowledge of jurisprudence is a bit more in tune with your region. In this case, Jurisdiction is not an issue. Even the link you provided proves you wrong, OP. Either you, Arpaio or some birther champion are making shit up. The only thing Arpaio can do in this case is to ask HI authorities for collaboration. But I'm pretty sure all this ado was just Arpaio's PR spin. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 11812402 United States 05/23/2012 01:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | the child from Slovenia obviously doesn't know dick from vagina... so let's educate. Quoting: Your Mom 8150527 1. the "birther" BS all started from the Clintons. i'd be willing to bet they know A LOT more than any of us (in regards to Obama's background). my guess... they knew "all this" (weird records, sealed past, "funny" biographies, grandparents claims of birth in other lands, etc. i mean, it's not odd AT ALL that the Hilary camp starts the birther "movement" and then magically... POOOOF... in the Obama's back pocket (not hard to figure out... i'm sure there is plenty more to learn "dirt-wise" on Hilary. so... shhhhh. you keep quiet, i keep quiet... we both win). 2. the breitbart "news" has NOTHING to do with "birthers." its pointing out the obvious. this president of ours has done so much shady shit it isn't funny. his wife stating his "homeland" is kenya (seriously, it's all over youtube. on that note, having parents of different nationalities... and being born in the US... i've never stated my homeland is anywhere other than the US). i could go ON AND ON AND ON about this... but it's all been beaten to death. 3. your sorry ass "let me see your BC and SSN" argument is horrendous. sorry, but no one here works for you! the President of the United States works for the citizens of the United States... and we pay him! If you want to give one of us a job, and you require we provide you with the said documents, i doubt anyone (well, almost) would have a problem providing the information. a safe bet? the President has used his "shady" past to further his career at every opportunity. if it sounds good to be Kenyan, be Kenyan (hello college, scholarships, entrance to top US universities)... if it sounds good (or is necessary) to be American, be American (hello Presidency). you have very limited knowledge of basic US law... yet seem to think you have as much jurisdiction as a Sheriff in the US? laughable! Miriam Goderich issued the following statement to Political Wire: "You're undoubtedly aware of the brouhaha stirred up by Breitbart about the erroneous statement in a client list Acton & Dystel published in 1991 (for circulation within the publishing industry only) that Barack Obama was born in Kenya. This was nothing more than a fact checking error by me -- an agency assistant at the time. There was never any information given to us by Obama in any of his correspondence or other communications suggesting in any way that he was born in Kenya and not Hawaii. I hope you can communicate to your readers that this was a simple mistake and nothing more." so.... they just made up the Kenya part? Or... plagiarized it from somewhere else? no one noticed the mistake for 20 years? meh... i'll just stop. arguing with an Obama-bot is worse than arguing with a birther! please... bring something to the table... not drivel. mkay? ^^^^^^^^^ THIS, as the saying goes, where there is smoke there is fire. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 11812402 United States 05/23/2012 01:54 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Travis Bickle Really??? So Peace Officers in the United States are BARRED from pursuing FEDERAL crimes???? Not so my foreign friend. There are many ways that Federal crimes can be investigated and handled by Local jurisdictions, however MOST federal crimes are handed off to Federal agencies as a matter of practice. Yet, when the Fereral agency takes no interest in the case, it falls back on the local jurisiction to either follow through locally or drop it. Sheriff Joe is obviously NOT dropping it. Travis, I coincidentally know something about the US jurisprudence; let me put it simply: ARIZONIAN SHERIFF HAS NO JURISDICTION IN HAWAII. You may indeed know a bit about jurisprudence however, you're NOT thinking this through... Sheriff Joe, The SHERIFF of Maricopa County, perceives the Birth Certificate presented to "prove eligibility" for a United States Presidential Candidate to be a FORGERY, therefore defrauding the people of the United States. [link to www.law.cornell.edu] In such, a federal CRIME (18 USC § 1002, to be specific), may have been committed. He has brought this to the attention of the Media and the Federal Authorities, and they have chosen to NOT continue his investigation. HOWEVER, being that Arizona is WITHIN the United States, HE, and the other residents within the County of Maricopa were the Victims of a possible fraud. and therefore he HAS jurisdiction on the investigation. Now, that investigation has led his investigators out of state.... As much as I hate to use Wikipedia as a reference, I am busy and do not feel like researching the applicable case law supporting what this link describes: [link to en.wikipedia.org] So, perhaps your knowledge of jurisprudence is a bit more in tune with your region. In this case, Jurisdiction is not an issue. Even the link you provided proves you wrong, OP. Either you, Arpaio or some birther champion are making shit up. The only thing Arpaio can do in this case is to ask HI authorities for collaboration. But I'm pretty sure all this ado was just Arpaio's PR spin. As a sheriff, he has the AUTHORITY to go where needs be for this cold case. OK, little one who loves to argue. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 16552764 United States 05/23/2012 01:54 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I was compelled to write the author an email: Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8625162 There were and still are legitimate questions of authenticity involving multiple “legal” documents provided by the Obama administration. I’d like to see you try to get a driver’s license using a pdf image of your birth certificate that has at least 20+ layers in it and see if you don’t get laughed out of the office. The fact that you tried so very hard to belittle this situation with your oh so witty commentary shows how little you truly know. In fact, according to the Constitution and MULTIPLE supreme court cases, a natural born citizen is a person born of two American citizens, whereas there are no dual citizenships. So even if the Hawaii birth cert were in fact original, it still wouldn’t amount to a hill of beans constitutionally because Obama’s father was a British citizen at his birth, thereby passing his citizenship to Obama. Also, there’s the little problem of having to renounce citizenship to become an Indonesian citizen as well, which Obama was, but we’ll just look over that detail and poke fun at honest Americans seeking truth. It’s much easier to write an article full of puns and silly sayings to discredit someone’s character. It’s an entirely different animal to take a look at hard evidence and follow the story. I’m sure someone will tell you what to believe soon enough though, just have faith. Obama will take care of everything. Well done. Birther liars who hate the Constitution. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 16552764 United States 05/23/2012 01:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 16546094 Travis, I coincidentally know something about the US jurisprudence; let me put it simply: ARIZONIAN SHERIFF HAS NO JURISDICTION IN HAWAII. You may indeed know a bit about jurisprudence however, you're NOT thinking this through... Sheriff Joe, The SHERIFF of Maricopa County, perceives the Birth Certificate presented to "prove eligibility" for a United States Presidential Candidate to be a FORGERY, therefore defrauding the people of the United States. [link to www.law.cornell.edu] In such, a federal CRIME (18 USC § 1002, to be specific), may have been committed. He has brought this to the attention of the Media and the Federal Authorities, and they have chosen to NOT continue his investigation. HOWEVER, being that Arizona is WITHIN the United States, HE, and the other residents within the County of Maricopa were the Victims of a possible fraud. and therefore he HAS jurisdiction on the investigation. Now, that investigation has led his investigators out of state.... As much as I hate to use Wikipedia as a reference, I am busy and do not feel like researching the applicable case law supporting what this link describes: [link to en.wikipedia.org] So, perhaps your knowledge of jurisprudence is a bit more in tune with your region. In this case, Jurisdiction is not an issue. Even the link you provided proves you wrong, OP. Either you, Arpaio or some birther champion are making shit up. The only thing Arpaio can do in this case is to ask HI authorities for collaboration. But I'm pretty sure all this ado was just Arpaio's PR spin. As a sheriff, he has the AUTHORITY to go where needs be for this cold case. OK, little one who loves to argue. Tell that to Robin Hood |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 16512380 United States 05/23/2012 01:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | And so our intrepid sheriff, Joe Arpaio -- not content with Secretary of State Ken Bennett's electoral probe -- has dispatched a deputy and his posse to Hawaii as part of his criminal investigation into the curious matter of Barack Obama's birth certificate. Quoting: Travis Bickle Arpaio says his investigators showed up on Monday at the Hawaii Department of Health but couldn't get past the lobby. Read more: [link to www.azcentral.com] It seems that the Good Sheriff is looking for his own answers. Good for him! Why is it such a problem for Obama to produce a believable birth certificate for any citizen who asks to see one. If he has it in his sock drawer, he should just go get it and call Sheriff Joe. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 12924193 United States 05/23/2012 01:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Thanks Hawk Quoting: Travis Bickle Something STINKS about this press release regarding the "proof" given to Arizona Secretary of State Ken Bennett... I mean, with all that Corsi has tried, With all that other attorney's have tried. All of a sudden the Registrar of Hawaii just hands over "proof" to ONE guy, (Who by the way doesn't indicated WHAT that proof is) Shady. |
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