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IT DOES NOT MATTER IF OBAMA WAS BORN IN HAWAII... here's why.

 
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Written below is a very thorough explanation which I found at this site...

[link to www.bibliotecapleyades.net]

It lays out exactly what everyone has been talking about. I hope it helps to clarify the questions around the birth and citizenship status of Obama. It helped me. I decided this needed its own thread.


"Between Dec. 24, 1953 and Nov. 13, 1986, an individual born abroad to a U.S. citizen parent married to an alien could be a “natural born citizen” only if the U.S. citizen parent had lived in the U.S. continuously for 10 years, five of which were after their 14th birthday.

Barack Obama’s mother, Stanley Ann Dunham, was born on November 29, 1942. Obama was allegedly born on August 4, 1961. Thus, by prevailing U.S. law, Barack Obama could not have been a “natural born U.S. citizen.”

If he was born in Kenya, Mr. Obama's mother was only 18 and could not have lived in the U.S. five years after her 14th birthday at the time of his birth.

Thus, it became a political necessity for Barack Obama to have a U.S. birth certificate. A forged birth certificate may have been produced in this case on April 27, 2011 because a genuine one does not exist despite the fact that the President was born in Hawaii or does not exist because he was born overseas.

For Barack Obama to have become a U.S. citizen under prevailing U.S. law at the time of his birth in 1961, his mother would have had to petition a U.S. immigration court for a naturalized U.S. citizenship status, which would have been readily granted to him because he was born of an American mother.

However, by the tragic timing of his birth taking place a few months short of his mother’s having lived in the U.S. for five years continuously after her 14th birthday, Barack Obama never achieved “natural born citizen” status and was as a matter of law constitutionally ineligible for the U.S. Presidency.

It is an established fact that Mr. Obama acquired Indonesian citizenship when his mother married Indonesian national Lolo Soetoro, who adopted Mr. Obama and moved his family to Indonesia in 1967. Indonesia requires that its citizens renounce all other citizenships.

There is no record, however, that after she sent Mr. Obama to live with his grandparents in Hawaii in 1971 or divorced Mr. Soetero Mr. Obama’s mother ever petitioned for U.S. nationalization of Mr. Obama.

Thus, it is most plausible that Mr. Obama was an Indonesian citizen,
when he returned to live with his grandparents in Hawaii in 1971
when he matriculated to Occidental College in Hawaii in 1979
when he ran for the U.S. Senate in January 2003
when he declared for U.S. President on February 10, 2007

Thus, as a matter of law, even a valid birth certificate showing that Mr. Obama was born on August 4, 1961 in Hawaii would not suffice to grant Barack Obama the “natural born” status he requires to be U.S. President, absent a special statue of the U.S. Congress as was granted his 2008 Presidential rival John McCain.

Ironically, in 1986, this U.S. immigration and naturalization law was changed to grant John McCain “natural born” status despite his having been born in the U.S. Panama Canal Zone.

The law change permits an individual born overseas to a U.S. parent married to an alien to acquire “natural born” status when born overseas in specific U.S. related facilities and territories."


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One only needs to look at his performance to know he's in over his head....
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One only needs to look at his performance to know he's in over his head....
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His Indonesian citizenship should also have been an issue, but most have ignored that.

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His Indonesiam citizenship should also have been an issue, but most have ignored that.
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Exactly. If he HAD to renounce his US citizenship to become a citizen in Indonesia and then did not gain US citizenship again he's still an illegal alien.

The fact that he entered colleges here as a foreign student should be a clue.
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I thought he was born in Kenya?
but raised in Hawaii.
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I thought he was born in Kenya?
but raised in Hawaii.
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Well it would seem that is the case but since Hawaii is now telling us he was actually born in Hawaii I thought I would point out that particular argument is moot since IF he was born in Hawaii he lost his citizenship to become an Indonesian citizen. They do not accept duel citizenship.
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His Indonesian citizenship should also have been an issue, but most have ignored that.
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Yes and both Indonesia and Kenya were Brittish territories at the times Obama lived in both of those countries. He was a Brittish subject. That alone is enough to disqualify him from the office of President.
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Then why did the senate try to pass multiple amendments to the citizenship requirement which specifically would allow obummer to be a constitutional pres....he is only the ceo of a company and not a constitutioal pres eat shits!
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link?
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[link to www.bibliotecapleyades.net]

fixed it

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Then why did the senate try to pass multiple amendments to the citizenship requirement which specifically would allow obummer to be a constitutional pres....he is only the ceo of a company and not a constitutioal pres eat shits!
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It would seem they are complicit in this massive scandal.
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What makes it matter even less is that he is a puppet and probably CIA!
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that is SO weird cuz last time I checked he WAS the President of the United States and I am pretty sure when I wake up in the morning he will still be.
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His Indonesian citizenship should also have been an issue, but most have ignored that.
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Yes and both Indonesia and Kenya were Brittish territories at the times Obama lived in both of those countries. He was a Brittish subject. That alone is enough to disqualify him from the office of President.
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Yes, in fact, the British citizenship in particular is what the framers of the Constitution wished to prevent from being president--except those alive when the Constitution was signed (Obama wasn't alive when it was signed so not "grandfathered" in).

The framers of the Constitution didn't want an agent of the British to become president and undermine the new democracy on behalf of the (enemy) king of England.

The framers used the definition of "natural born citizen" that was popular at the time from Vattel's work---and much of the Constitution is borrowed from Vattel. It was a well known and popular work at that time.

The definition of a citizen was anyone born in the country. So if 2 British subjects had a baby in America, the baby was a citizen. They could just be visiting though and have no loyalty to the country. The parents weren't "committed" to the US.

The definition of a NATURAL BORN citizen (or native) was anyone born in the country to 2 parents who are citizens. The parents may have been born in England but had committed to the US and become citizens. When the baby is born, it is automatically a citizen. And because the parents are citizens as well, the baby has the elevated status of natural born citizen. The loyalty to the US should be in place.

Obama can never be a natural born citizen since his father was never a citizen of the US. Worse, his father was a British subject.
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Then why did the senate try to pass multiple amendments to the citizenship requirement which specifically would allow obummer to be a constitutional pres....he is only the ceo of a company and not a constitutioal pres eat shits!
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um what the fuck are you talking about?
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that is SO weird cuz last time I checked he WAS the President of the United States and I am pretty sure when I wake up in the morning he will still be.
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And you believe the president calls the shots? That he actually has power? Not since at least 1913 and probably before has there been a autonomous president, But thats ok if you are asleep. Im not gonna try and change your mind.
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that is SO weird cuz last time I checked he WAS the President of the United States and I am pretty sure when I wake up in the morning he will still be.
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it is the ultimate subversion of your Constitution.

You should be very, very angry.


Don't you realize that the rest of the Constitution will surely slowly slip away now?

Free speech
Bear arms
Free from search and seizure

etc.

I bet you don't even know or appreciate what you had...
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Well since arnold swartzenager or whatever his name is, was allowed to be governor of california, i guess obama can to.
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Written below is a very thorough explanation which I found at this site...

[link to www.bibliotecapleyades.net]

It lays out exactly what everyone has been talking about. I hope it helps to clarify the questions around the birth and citizenship status of Obama. It helped me. I decided this needed its own thread.


"Between Dec. 24, 1953 and Nov. 13, 1986, an individual born abroad to a U.S. citizen parent married to an alien could be a “natural born citizen” only if the U.S. citizen parent had lived in the U.S. continuously for 10 years, five of which were after their 14th birthday.

Barack Obama’s mother, Stanley Ann Dunham, was born on November 29, 1942. Obama was allegedly born on August 4, 1961. Thus, by prevailing U.S. law, Barack Obama could not have been a “natural born U.S. citizen.”

If he was born in Kenya, Mr. Obama's mother was only 18 and could not have lived in the U.S. five years after her 14th birthday at the time of his birth.

Thus, it became a political necessity for Barack Obama to have a U.S. birth certificate. A forged birth certificate may have been produced in this case on April 27, 2011 because a genuine one does not exist despite the fact that the President was born in Hawaii or does not exist because he was born overseas.

For Barack Obama to have become a U.S. citizen under prevailing U.S. law at the time of his birth in 1961, his mother would have had to petition a U.S. immigration court for a naturalized U.S. citizenship status, which would have been readily granted to him because he was born of an American mother.

However, by the tragic timing of his birth taking place a few months short of his mother’s having lived in the U.S. for five years continuously after her 14th birthday, Barack Obama never achieved “natural born citizen” status and was as a matter of law constitutionally ineligible for the U.S. Presidency.

It is an established fact that Mr. Obama acquired Indonesian citizenship when his mother married Indonesian national Lolo Soetoro, who adopted Mr. Obama and moved his family to Indonesia in 1967. Indonesia requires that its citizens renounce all other citizenships.

There is no record, however, that after she sent Mr. Obama to live with his grandparents in Hawaii in 1971 or divorced Mr. Soetero Mr. Obama’s mother ever petitioned for U.S. nationalization of Mr. Obama.

Thus, it is most plausible that Mr. Obama was an Indonesian citizen,
when he returned to live with his grandparents in Hawaii in 1971
when he matriculated to Occidental College in Hawaii in 1979
when he ran for the U.S. Senate in January 2003
when he declared for U.S. President on February 10, 2007

Thus, as a matter of law, even a valid birth certificate showing that Mr. Obama was born on August 4, 1961 in Hawaii would not suffice to grant Barack Obama the “natural born” status he requires to be U.S. President, absent a special statue of the U.S. Congress as was granted his 2008 Presidential rival John McCain.

Ironically, in 1986, this U.S. immigration and naturalization law was changed to grant John McCain “natural born” status despite his having been born in the U.S. Panama Canal Zone.

The law change permits an individual born overseas to a U.S. parent married to an alien to acquire “natural born” status when born overseas in specific U.S. related facilities and territories."

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Yeah, but in good conscience, Kenya vote for an illegal immigrant?
Any other parts of the Constitution u and your friends would like to throw out without amendment...here we go, the unelected Totalitarian State taking your baby,
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Well since arnold swartzenager or whatever his name is, was allowed to be governor of california, i guess obama can to.
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He can be governor but not president.
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that is SO weird cuz last time I checked he WAS the President of the United States and I am pretty sure when I wake up in the morning he will still be.
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And you believe the president calls the shots? That he actually has power? Not since at least 1913 and probably before has there been a autonomous president, But thats ok if you are asleep. Im not gonna try and change your mind.
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did I say that asswipe? what the fuck are you smoking? all I said was he is the president but of course on GLP even that completely rational and true statement will get an argument from some nutbag such as yourself.
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no one cares, well some of us. but for the most part i honestly believe most americans dont even give a rats ass. they are too busy living and trying to make it.
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Thread title redo


IT DOES NOT MATTER IF BARRY IS AMERICAN OR IF HE IS KENYAN, WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU GONNA DO ANYHOW ??????????????????
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that is SO weird cuz last time I checked he WAS the President of the United States and I am pretty sure when I wake up in the morning he will still be.
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And you believe the president calls the shots? That he actually has power? Not since at least 1913 and probably before has there been a autonomous president, But thats ok if you are asleep. Im not gonna try and change your mind.
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did I say that asswipe? what the fuck are you smoking? all I said was he is the president but of course on GLP even that completely rational and true statement will get an argument from some nutbag such as yourself.
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No need to get mad bro, Why do have to go calling me an asswipe/nutbag.... Sorry I misunderstood you. My BAD
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His Indonesiam citizenship should also have been an issue, but most have ignored that.
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Exactly. If he HAD to renounce his US citizenship to become a citizen in Indonesia and then did not gain US citizenship again he's still an illegal alien.

The fact that he entered colleges here as a foreign student should be a clue.
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It's not that easy to renounce US citizenship, and a child can't do it.
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IT DOES NOT MATTER IF BARRY IS AMERICAN OR IF HE IS KENYAN, WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU GONNA DO ANYHOW ??????????????????
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Well our recourse is impeachment, prison for perpetrating fraud or vote him out. It seems that since MSM is not covering any of this it is up to the concerned people of the US to take up the banner.
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wow great info op 5* and plus great karma for you

truly a friend indeed. it's only a matter of time on this administration's end...

keep this sucker pinned!!!

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His Indonesian citizenship should also have been an issue, but most have ignored that.
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Yes and both Indonesia and Kenya were Brittish territories at the times Obama lived in both of those countries. He was a Brittish subject. That alone is enough to disqualify him from the office of President.
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Yes, in fact, the British citizenship in particular is what the framers of the Constitution wished to prevent from being president--except those alive when the Constitution was signed (Obama wasn't alive when it was signed so not "grandfathered" in).

The framers of the Constitution didn't want an agent of the British to become president and undermine the new democracy on behalf of the (enemy) king of England.

The framers used the definition of "natural born citizen" that was popular at the time from Vattel's work---and much of the Constitution is borrowed from Vattel. It was a well known and popular work at that time.

The definition of a citizen was anyone born in the country. So if 2 British subjects had a baby in America, the baby was a citizen. They could just be visiting though and have no loyalty to the country. The parents weren't "committed" to the US.

The definition of a NATURAL BORN citizen (or native) was anyone born in the country to 2 parents who are citizens. The parents may have been born in England but had committed to the US and become citizens. When the baby is born, it is automatically a citizen. And because the parents are citizens as well, the baby has the elevated status of natural born citizen. The loyalty to the US should be in place.

Obama can never be a natural born citizen since his father was never a citizen of the US. Worse, his father was a British subject.
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Indonesia has never, ever, been British territory.
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wow great info op 5* and plus great karma for you

truly a friend indeed. it's only a matter of time on this administration's end...

keep this sucker pinned!!!

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Thank you!
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Written below is a very thorough explanation which I found at this site...

[link to www.bibliotecapleyades.net]

It lays out exactly what everyone has been talking about. I hope it helps to clarify the questions around the birth and citizenship status of Obama. It helped me. I decided this needed its own thread.

"Between Dec. 24, 1953 and Nov. 13, 1986, an individual born abroad to a U.S. citizen parent ...

 Quoting: A Friend

OP, apparently you have a problem with the reading comprehension: this provision does NOT apply on Obama, unless you'll prove on the court that he was born abroad.

Hint: the latter has be tried innumerous times, alas...

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