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IT DOES NOT MATTER IF OBAMA WAS BORN IN HAWAII... here's why.

 
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Inherently flawed. The law has sense changed and no grandfather provisions.

Better look at his selective service thingy, that law is likely still on the books (where if you don't register on time your barred from holding ANY public office).
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Inherently flawed. The law has sense changed and no grandfather provisions.

Better look at his selective service thingy, that law is likely still on the books (where if you don't register on time your barred from holding ANY public office).
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1391353


Arpaio's posse showed the selective service thingy to be a fraud also.
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Obama has been protected from the get-go..

He was never properly vetted..

His entire life has been a Mysterey

He came out on no-where to speak at the Democratic Convention..

The Lame Stream Media protected him from really diving into his relationship with Rev Wright and Bill Ayres a known Terrorist and Wright who Obama spent 20 years in his Church and claimed he never heard Wright speak bad about America...(Yeah right)

He left during his Campaign back to Hawaii with a mysterey surrounding his Grandmother's Death...

He was elected because he Spoke Well, and fired up a Dumb downed society that thought they should elect a president who was *Hip Slick and Cool* who cared that he was a Liar from the Start...
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His Indonesiam citizenship should also have been an issue, but most have ignored that.
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Exactly. If he HAD to renounce his US citizenship to become a citizen in Indonesia and then did not gain US citizenship again he's still an illegal alien.

The fact that he entered colleges here as a foreign student should be a clue.
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It's not that easy to renounce US citizenship, and a child can't do it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1510025


Technically, they can.

A person under the age of 18 must convince a US Diplomatic or Consular Officer that they fully understand the nature and consequences of the oath of renunciation...yada yada.

Basically, they meet with someone from the Consulate to make sure they are not being forced or influenced to renounce their citizenship, but are doing it of their own free will.

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For those of you who missed Sheriff Arpaio's videos which lay out how he came to the conclusion that this case shows that Obama's documents are fraudulent.
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I will never believe the bastard is even a legal U.S. citizen.

He was born in Kenya..

Got student aid as a foreign student...

He is an impostor.

EVERYTHING HE HAS DONE IN OFFICE SHOULD BE NULLIFIED!!
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Obama has been protected from the get-go..

He was never properly vetted..

His entire life has been a Mysterey

He came out on no-where to speak at the Democratic Convention..

The Lame Stream Media protected him from really diving into his relationship with Rev Wright and Bill Ayres a known Terrorist and Wright who Obama spent 20 years in his Church and claimed he never heard Wright speak bad about America...(Yeah right)

He left during his Campaign back to Hawaii with a mysterey surrounding his Grandmother's Death...

He was elected because he Spoke Well, and fired up a Dumb downed society that thought they should elect a president who was *Hip Slick and Cool* who cared that he was a Liar from the Start...
 Quoting: christian


Well said.
I would rather live my life as if there is a God and die to find out there isn't, than live my life as if there isn't and die to find out there is. -Albert Camus

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Inherently flawed. The law has sense changed and no grandfather provisions.

Better look at his selective service thingy, that law is likely still on the books (where if you don't register on time your barred from holding ANY public office).
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1391353

Arpaio's posse showed the selective service thingy to be a fraud also.
 Quoting: A Friend

Arpaio's posse was just a PR stunt, get over it; it showed nothing but Birthers inanity.

Everytime Birthers fail, Obama scores; he should be grateful to you, guys.
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Written below is a very thorough explanation which I found at this site...

[link to www.bibliotecapleyades.net]

It lays out exactly what everyone has been talking about. I hope it helps to clarify the questions around the birth and citizenship status of Obama. It helped me. I decided this needed its own thread.


"Between Dec. 24, 1953 and Nov. 13, 1986, an individual born abroad to a U.S. citizen parent married to an alien could be a “natural born citizen” only if the U.S. citizen parent had lived in the U.S. continuously for 10 years, five of which were after their 14th birthday.

Barack Obama’s mother, Stanley Ann Dunham, was born on November 29, 1942. Obama was allegedly born on August 4, 1961. Thus, by prevailing U.S. law, Barack Obama could not have been a “natural born U.S. citizen.”

If he was born in Kenya, Mr. Obama's mother was only 18 and could not have lived in the U.S. five years after her 14th birthday at the time of his birth.

Thus, it became a political necessity for Barack Obama to have a U.S. birth certificate. A forged birth certificate may have been produced in this case on April 27, 2011 because a genuine one does not exist despite the fact that the President was born in Hawaii or does not exist because he was born overseas.

For Barack Obama to have become a U.S. citizen under prevailing U.S. law at the time of his birth in 1961, his mother would have had to petition a U.S. immigration court for a naturalized U.S. citizenship status, which would have been readily granted to him because he was born of an American mother.

However, by the tragic timing of his birth taking place a few months short of his mother’s having lived in the U.S. for five years continuously after her 14th birthday, Barack Obama never achieved “natural born citizen” status and was as a matter of law constitutionally ineligible for the U.S. Presidency.

It is an established fact that Mr. Obama acquired Indonesian citizenship when his mother married Indonesian national Lolo Soetoro, who adopted Mr. Obama and moved his family to Indonesia in 1967. Indonesia requires that its citizens renounce all other citizenships.

There is no record, however, that after she sent Mr. Obama to live with his grandparents in Hawaii in 1971 or divorced Mr. Soetero Mr. Obama’s mother ever petitioned for U.S. nationalization of Mr. Obama.

Thus, it is most plausible that Mr. Obama was an Indonesian citizen,
when he returned to live with his grandparents in Hawaii in 1971
when he matriculated to Occidental College in Hawaii in 1979
when he ran for the U.S. Senate in January 2003
when he declared for U.S. President on February 10, 2007

Thus, as a matter of law, even a valid birth certificate showing that Mr. Obama was born on August 4, 1961 in Hawaii would not suffice to grant Barack Obama the “natural born” status he requires to be U.S. President, absent a special statue of the U.S. Congress as was granted his 2008 Presidential rival John McCain.

Ironically, in 1986, this U.S. immigration and naturalization law was changed to grant John McCain “natural born” status despite his having been born in the U.S. Panama Canal Zone.

The law change permits an individual born overseas to a U.S. parent married to an alien to acquire “natural born” status when born overseas in specific U.S. related facilities and territories."

 Quoting: A Friend


Excellent thread OP! headbang

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Inherently flawed. The law has sense changed and no grandfather provisions.

Better look at his selective service thingy, that law is likely still on the books (where if you don't register on time your barred from holding ANY public office).
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1391353


Arpaio's posse showed the selective service thingy to be a fraud also.
 Quoting: A Friend


I know.. that's what I mean.

Everything we know about Obama is a contradiction. Everything Obama says in public about his life is nothing but a scripted lie. Go back in time.. seems like the same thing. Everything in his past is a lie (or the truth.. but that would make "birthers" right more often than not).

Its a confusing freaking mess. This whole thing sounds like it came out of a bad political thriller.
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3 issues and only one has been talked about.

1. Some say he can't prove he was born in Hawaii instead of Kenya. All focus has been placed here and not on the other 2.

2. Father was not a U.S. citizen, some say this nulls his qualification for being U.S. President.

3. He has had an Indonesian citizenship which he NEVER renounced, thereby making him ineligible to be U.S. President.

These are the issues people are talking about.
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Inherently flawed. The law has sense changed and no grandfather provisions.

Better look at his selective service thingy, that law is likely still on the books (where if you don't register on time your barred from holding ANY public office).
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1391353

Arpaio's posse showed the selective service thingy to be a fraud also.
 Quoting: A Friend

Arpaio's posse was just a PR stunt, get over it; it showed nothing but Birthers inanity.

Everytime Birthers fail, Obama scores; he should be grateful to you, guys.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 16546094


It sounds like you didn't watch them.
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Excellent thread OP! headbang

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Do you even know what that book is about?
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Written below is a very thorough explanation which I found at this site...

[link to www.bibliotecapleyades.net]

It lays out exactly what everyone has been talking about. I hope it helps to clarify the questions around the birth and citizenship status of Obama. It helped me. I decided this needed its own thread.


"Between Dec. 24, 1953 and Nov. 13, 1986, an individual born abroad to a U.S. citizen parent married to an alien could be a “natural born citizen” only if the U.S. citizen parent had lived in the U.S. continuously for 10 years, five of which were after their 14th birthday.

Barack Obama’s mother, Stanley Ann Dunham, was born on November 29, 1942. Obama was allegedly born on August 4, 1961. Thus, by prevailing U.S. law, Barack Obama could not have been a “natural born U.S. citizen.”

If he was born in Kenya, Mr. Obama's mother was only 18 and could not have lived in the U.S. five years after her 14th birthday at the time of his birth.

Thus, it became a political necessity for Barack Obama to have a U.S. birth certificate. A forged birth certificate may have been produced in this case on April 27, 2011 because a genuine one does not exist despite the fact that the President was born in Hawaii or does not exist because he was born overseas.

For Barack Obama to have become a U.S. citizen under prevailing U.S. law at the time of his birth in 1961, his mother would have had to petition a U.S. immigration court for a naturalized U.S. citizenship status, which would have been readily granted to him because he was born of an American mother.

However, by the tragic timing of his birth taking place a few months short of his mother’s having lived in the U.S. for five years continuously after her 14th birthday, Barack Obama never achieved “natural born citizen” status and was as a matter of law constitutionally ineligible for the U.S. Presidency.

It is an established fact that Mr. Obama acquired Indonesian citizenship when his mother married Indonesian national Lolo Soetoro, who adopted Mr. Obama and moved his family to Indonesia in 1967. Indonesia requires that its citizens renounce all other citizenships.

There is no record, however, that after she sent Mr. Obama to live with his grandparents in Hawaii in 1971 or divorced Mr. Soetero Mr. Obama’s mother ever petitioned for U.S. nationalization of Mr. Obama.

Thus, it is most plausible that Mr. Obama was an Indonesian citizen,
when he returned to live with his grandparents in Hawaii in 1971
when he matriculated to Occidental College in Hawaii in 1979
when he ran for the U.S. Senate in January 2003
when he declared for U.S. President on February 10, 2007

Thus, as a matter of law, even a valid birth certificate showing that Mr. Obama was born on August 4, 1961 in Hawaii would not suffice to grant Barack Obama the “natural born” status he requires to be U.S. President, absent a special statue of the U.S. Congress as was granted his 2008 Presidential rival John McCain.

Ironically, in 1986, this U.S. immigration and naturalization law was changed to grant John McCain “natural born” status despite his having been born in the U.S. Panama Canal Zone.

The law change permits an individual born overseas to a U.S. parent married to an alien to acquire “natural born” status when born overseas in specific U.S. related facilities and territories."

 Quoting: A Friend


Excellent thread OP! headbang

OBAMABOOK
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Thanks!!
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3 issues and only one has been talked about.

1. Some say he can't prove he was born in Hawaii instead of Kenya. All focus has been placed here and not on the other 2.

2. Father was not a U.S. citizen, some say this nulls his qualification for being U.S. President.

3. He has had an Indonesian citizenship which he NEVER renounced, thereby making him ineligible to be U.S. President.

These are the issues people are talking about.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15359896


Exactly
I would rather live my life as if there is a God and die to find out there isn't, than live my life as if there isn't and die to find out there is. -Albert Camus

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Inherently flawed. The law has sense changed and no grandfather provisions.

Better look at his selective service thingy, that law is likely still on the books (where if you don't register on time your barred from holding ANY public office).
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1391353


Arpaio's posse showed the selective service thingy to be a fraud also.
 Quoting: A Friend


I know.. that's what I mean.

Everything we know about Obama is a contradiction. Everything Obama says in public about his life is nothing but a scripted lie. Go back in time.. seems like the same thing. Everything in his past is a lie (or the truth.. but that would make "birthers" right more often than not).

Its a confusing freaking mess. This whole thing sounds like it came out of a bad political thriller.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1391353


The Manchurian Candidate anyone?
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What we have with this POTUS is:


****Obamanation of Desolation****
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RON PAUL 2012! THE REVOLUTION HAS JUST BEGUN!!!!
“One life is all we have and we live it as we believe in living it. But to sacrifice what you are and to live without belief, that is a fate more terrible than dying.”
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What we have with this POTUS is:


****Obamanation of Desolation****
 Quoting: christian


It does have a certain familiar ring to it doesn't it?

... standing where he ought not.

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The point being, this Muslim Communist is the Enemy of the United States and all her people!
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3 issues and only one has been talked about.

1. Some say he can't prove he was born in Hawaii instead of Kenya. All focus has been placed here and not on the other 2.

2. Father was not a U.S. citizen, some say this nulls his qualification for being U.S. President.

3. He has had an Indonesian citizenship which he NEVER renounced, thereby making him ineligible to be U.S. President.

These are the issues people are talking about.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15359896


Exactly
 Quoting: A Friend


Mitt Romney's father was born in Mexico, so catch you guys in 2016.
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The point being, this Muslim Communist is the Enemy of the United States and all her people!
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He's proven that with the changes he's been implementing all along.
I would rather live my life as if there is a God and die to find out there isn't, than live my life as if there isn't and die to find out there is. -Albert Camus

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We went from *George Washington*

The Father of our Country..

to:

Barack Obama

The Father of Lies...


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The point being, this Muslim Communist is the Enemy of the United States and all her people!
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He's proven that with the changes he's been implementing all along.
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Yeah! What are your top 3?
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What we have with this POTUS is:


****Obamanation of Desolation****
 Quoting: christian


It does have a certain familiar ring to it doesn't it?

... standing where he ought not.
 Quoting: A Friend


Exactly Right!
Susie

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that is SO weird cuz last time I checked he WAS the President of the United States and I am pretty sure when I wake up in the morning he will still be.
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Not really.
There is a big sign outside Kenya, says "welcome to Kenya,
birthplace of BARRACK OBAMA, president of the United States.
When running for senate , an article talked about "Kenyan"
born Obama" running for senate.
If he was born overseas(not in Hawaie), or even had an US citizenship that was renounce, he is not
elgible for the office of president under the 38th amendment, and anything he did while playing prez is null and void, like socialized medicine, and apologising to a
bunch of tinpot dictators(or anybody who stood still long enough) for the "sin" of being american.
Apologising for anything clearly compromised the USA,
AND he should be impeached for that alone, if nothing else.
The first thing the leftists did in this country was take over the journalism schools, and the whores in the media
are ample evidence of that being a huge sucess.
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gives

Who cares where he was born.

He is the president.

Most losers care because they feel they are being hurt by his control in the white house.

Hahahaha!

I control my own destiny regardless of who is in the white house. I own my own business and control the amount of money I make. I am my own boss and am very happy!

You want to things to get better then blame yourself not the president!

Have a great life!

dance
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3 issues and only one has been talked about.

1. Some say he can't prove he was born in Hawaii instead of Kenya. All focus has been placed here and not on the other 2.

2. Father was not a U.S. citizen, some say this nulls his qualification for being U.S. President.

3. He has had an Indonesian citizenship which he NEVER renounced, thereby making him ineligible to be U.S. President.

These are the issues people are talking about.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15359896


Exactly
 Quoting: A Friend


Mitt Romney's father was born in Mexico, so catch you guys in 2016.
 Quoting: StBlitzer


Can't stand Romney, so hope someone dis-qualifies both for this reason!
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gives

Who cares where he was born.

He is the president.

Most losers care because they feel they are being hurt by his control in the white house.

Hahahaha!

I control my own destiny regardless of who is in the white house. I own my own business and control the amount of money I make. I am my own boss and am very happy!

You want to things to get better then blame yourself not the president!

Have a great life!

dance
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I meant to ask you, how your Lemonade Stand is going?
Susie

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