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IT DOES NOT MATTER IF OBAMA WAS BORN IN HAWAII... here's why.

 
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3 issues and only one has been talked about.

1. Some say he can't prove he was born in Hawaii instead of Kenya. All focus has been placed here and not on the other 2.

2. Father was not a U.S. citizen, some say this nulls his qualification for being U.S. President.

3. He has had an Indonesian citizenship which he NEVER renounced, thereby making him ineligible to be U.S. President.

These are the issues people are talking about.
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Exactly
 Quoting: A Friend


Mitt Romney's father was born in Mexico, so catch you guys in 2016.
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Can't stand Romney, so hope someone dis-qualifies both for this reason!
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'Even though he wasn’t born in a United States territory or state, George Romney was given citizenship at birth because he was born to American citizens, essentially granting him the status of a natural-born citizen.
“When you’re born outside the United States to [U.S.] citizens, you have citizenship at birth,” explained Peter J. Spiro, a professor of law and an expert on the law of citizenship at Temple University. “You don’t have to do anything to claim your citizenship. You are a citizen from birth.”

quoted from... [link to abcnews.go.com]
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'Even though he wasn’t born in a United States territory or state, George Romney was given citizenship at birth because he was born to American citizens, essentially granting him the status of a natural-born citizen.
“When you’re born outside the United States to [U.S.] citizens, you have citizenship at birth,” explained Peter J. Spiro, a professor of law and an expert on the law of citizenship at Temple University. “You don’t have to do anything to claim your citizenship. You are a citizen from birth.”

quoted from... [link to abcnews.go.com]
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There you go birther. Citizen at birth is natural born citizen. Fucking go away and put your head up your ass some more. You will eat well tonight!
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what is actually so unamerican about obama?
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Seriously? How about having drones attack US citizens with no need for any reason or recourse.

How about being able to lock anyone up for any reason indefinitely with no due process.

Those are just a few things off the top of my head.
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The point being, this Muslim Communist is the Enemy of the United States and all her people!
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He's proven that with the changes he's been implementing all along.
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Yeah! What are your top 3?
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Two are up top and then there are all of his selected Czars who account to no one but Obama.
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Written below is a very thorough explanation which I found at this site...

[link to www.bibliotecapleyades.net]

It lays out exactly what everyone has been talking about. I hope it helps to clarify the questions around the birth and citizenship status of Obama. It helped me. I decided this needed its own thread.


"Between Dec. 24, 1953 and Nov. 13, 1986, an individual born abroad to a U.S. citizen parent married to an alien could be a “natural born citizen” only if the U.S. citizen parent had lived in the U.S. continuously for 10 years, five of which were after their 14th birthday.

Barack Obama’s mother, Stanley Ann Dunham, was born on November 29, 1942. Obama was allegedly born on August 4, 1961. Thus, by prevailing U.S. law, Barack Obama could not have been a “natural born U.S. citizen.”

If he was born in Kenya, Mr. Obama's mother was only 18 and could not have lived in the U.S. five years after her 14th birthday at the time of his birth.

Thus, it became a political necessity for Barack Obama to have a U.S. birth certificate. A forged birth certificate may have been produced in this case on April 27, 2011 because a genuine one does not exist despite the fact that the President was born in Hawaii or does not exist because he was born overseas.

For Barack Obama to have become a U.S. citizen under prevailing U.S. law at the time of his birth in 1961, his mother would have had to petition a U.S. immigration court for a naturalized U.S. citizenship status, which would have been readily granted to him because he was born of an American mother.

However, by the tragic timing of his birth taking place a few months short of his mother’s having lived in the U.S. for five years continuously after her 14th birthday, Barack Obama never achieved “natural born citizen” status and was as a matter of law constitutionally ineligible for the U.S. Presidency.

It is an established fact that Mr. Obama acquired Indonesian citizenship when his mother married Indonesian national Lolo Soetoro, who adopted Mr. Obama and moved his family to Indonesia in 1967. Indonesia requires that its citizens renounce all other citizenships.

There is no record, however, that after she sent Mr. Obama to live with his grandparents in Hawaii in 1971 or divorced Mr. Soetero Mr. Obama’s mother ever petitioned for U.S. nationalization of Mr. Obama.

Thus, it is most plausible that Mr. Obama was an Indonesian citizen,
when he returned to live with his grandparents in Hawaii in 1971
when he matriculated to Occidental College in Hawaii in 1979
when he ran for the U.S. Senate in January 2003
when he declared for U.S. President on February 10, 2007

Thus, as a matter of law, even a valid birth certificate showing that Mr. Obama was born on August 4, 1961 in Hawaii would not suffice to grant Barack Obama the “natural born” status he requires to be U.S. President, absent a special statue of the U.S. Congress as was granted his 2008 Presidential rival John McCain.

Ironically, in 1986, this U.S. immigration and naturalization law was changed to grant John McCain “natural born” status despite his having been born in the U.S. Panama Canal Zone.

The law change permits an individual born overseas to a U.S. parent married to an alien to acquire “natural born” status when born overseas in specific U.S. related facilities and territories."

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1874 supreme court term, vol 88

MINOR v HAPPERSETT, 88 US 162,(Wall), 162
on page 167 of this decision defines:

Only a natural born citizen can be president of the United States of america

....a couple of paragraphs later it defines Natural Born Citizen:

the justices defined Natural Born Citizen as a child born of 2 parents who were both citizens of the USA, conferring natural born citizenship on their children.

Obama under the 1874 Ruling...does not meet the requirement for POTUS of the USA, his father was a citizen of Kenya Africa...neither does Mitt Romney, whose father was a citizen of Mexico at the time of Mitt's birth, who also was born in Mexico.

Ron Paul is the ONLY candidate running for the office of President that is eligible to be the President of the United States of America.
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'Even though he wasn’t born in a United States territory or state, George Romney was given citizenship at birth because he was born to American citizens, essentially granting him the status of a natural-born citizen.
“When you’re born outside the United States to [U.S.] citizens, you have citizenship at birth,” explained Peter J. Spiro, a professor of law and an expert on the law of citizenship at Temple University. “You don’t have to do anything to claim your citizenship. You are a citizen from birth.”

quoted from... [link to abcnews.go.com]
 Quoting: A Friend


There you go birther. Citizen at birth is natural born citizen. Fucking go away and put your head up your ass some more. You will eat well tonight!
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The quote makes it clear that it means two Citizens of the US. And the point of this thread is that he renounced his citizenship if he had any to become a citizen of Indonesia.
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Exactly
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Mitt Romney's father was born in Mexico, so catch you guys in 2016.
 Quoting: StBlitzer


Can't stand Romney, so hope someone dis-qualifies both for this reason!
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'Even though he wasn’t born in a United States territory or state, George Romney was given citizenship at birth because he was born to American citizens, essentially granting him the status of a natural-born citizen.
“When you’re born outside the United States to [U.S.] citizens, you have citizenship at birth,” explained Peter J. Spiro, a professor of law and an expert on the law of citizenship at Temple University. “You don’t have to do anything to claim your citizenship. You are a citizen from birth.”

quoted from... [link to abcnews.go.com]
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That's a pity about Romney qualifying, though.

Did you see if abc did a piece on Obamas Indonesians citizenship renouncement? I've seen articles talk about it but no articles articulately explaining how he qualifies, you know, in the way they were able to articulately explain how Romney qualified.
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'Even though he wasn’t born in a United States territory or state, George Romney was given citizenship at birth because he was born to American citizens, essentially granting him the status of a natural-born citizen.
“When you’re born outside the United States to [U.S.] citizens, you have citizenship at birth,” explained Peter J. Spiro, a professor of law and an expert on the law of citizenship at Temple University. “You don’t have to do anything to claim your citizenship. You are a citizen from birth.”

quoted from... [link to abcnews.go.com]
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There you go birther. Citizen at birth is natural born citizen. Fucking go away and put your head up your ass some more. You will eat well tonight!
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The quote makes it clear that it means two Citizens of the US. And the point of this thread is that he renounced his citizenship if he had any to become a citizen of Indonesia.
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You have just been shown incapable of literacy. The quote said citizen at birth is what makes one a natural born citizen. Now you spew shit. Fucking birther, go back to grade school. Sue the school. Tell them they didn't fucking educate you.
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Mitt Romney's father was born in Mexico, so catch you guys in 2016.
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Can't stand Romney, so hope someone dis-qualifies both for this reason!
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'Even though he wasn’t born in a United States territory or state, George Romney was given citizenship at birth because he was born to American citizens, essentially granting him the status of a natural-born citizen.
“When you’re born outside the United States to [U.S.] citizens, you have citizenship at birth,” explained Peter J. Spiro, a professor of law and an expert on the law of citizenship at Temple University. “You don’t have to do anything to claim your citizenship. You are a citizen from birth.”

quoted from... [link to abcnews.go.com]
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That's a pity about Romney qualifying, though.

Did you see if abc did a piece on Obamas Indonesians citizenship renouncement? I've seen articles talk about it but no articles articulately explaining how he qualifies, you know, in the way they were able to articulately explain how Romney qualified.
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Obama has made it almost impossible to find out anything about him. That is the essence of the problem. I don't think he did renounce his Indonesian citizenship. How else did he qualify as a foreign student here in the US?
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'Even though he wasn’t born in a United States territory or state, George Romney was given citizenship at birth because he was born to American citizens, essentially granting him the status of a natural-born citizen.
“When you’re born outside the United States to [U.S.] citizens, you have citizenship at birth,” explained Peter J. Spiro, a professor of law and an expert on the law of citizenship at Temple University. “You don’t have to do anything to claim your citizenship. You are a citizen from birth.”

quoted from... [link to abcnews.go.com]
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There you go birther. Citizen at birth is natural born citizen. Fucking go away and put your head up your ass some more. You will eat well tonight!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 16577187


There are other law professors that say it [natural born citizen] means something different.

One was just born a US Citizen and the other required parents to be US Citizens. A few laws passed during that time period that support the later more than the former.

I don't believe either of them required a person to be born necessarily on US Soil.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
[link to en.wikipedia.org]

I think its best to try an figure out the original intent of the founding fathers. That would really put an end to this. The original intent is the law when it comes to the Constitution.

The links are from a quick search. I heard the professors arguing on the radio lol.
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3 issues and only one has been talked about.

1. Some say he can't prove he was born in Hawaii instead of Kenya. All focus has been placed here and not on the other 2.

2. Father was not a U.S. citizen, some say this nulls his qualification for being U.S. President.

3. He has had an Indonesian citizenship which he NEVER renounced, thereby making him ineligible to be U.S. President.

These are the issues people are talking about.
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Exactly
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Mitt Romney's father was born in Mexico, so catch you guys in 2016.
 Quoting: StBlitzer


Can't stand Romney, so hope someone dis-qualifies both for this reason!
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Not to mention that Romney and the GOP are too timid to stand up to Obama on this issue.
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5 stars, OP. Thank you for posting.
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How do you explain the birth announcements posted around Aug 4, 1961 in two Honolulu newspapers stating the birth of Obama in a Honolulu hospital? (note--these announcements are submitted by the hospital in question). There's just no getting around that.
As for Obama being adopted by his stepfather, he was a minor and i am quite sure the US would still consider him a citizen, no matter what Indonesia thought. You can't be robbed of your citizenship when you are a minor! Especially since i am sure there was no formal ceremony of renouncement. Indonesia may have considered him a citizen, but that cuts no ice.
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Written below is a very thorough explanation which I found at this site...

[link to www.bibliotecapleyades.net]

It lays out exactly what everyone has been talking about. I hope it helps to clarify the questions around the birth and citizenship status of Obama. It helped me. I decided this needed its own thread.


"Between Dec. 24, 1953 and Nov. 13, 1986, an individual born abroad to a U.S. citizen parent married to an alien could be a “natural born citizen” only if the U.S. citizen parent had lived in the U.S. continuously for 10 years, five of which were after their 14th birthday.

Barack Obama’s mother, Stanley Ann Dunham, was born on November 29, 1942. Obama was allegedly born on August 4, 1961. Thus, by prevailing U.S. law, Barack Obama could not have been a “natural born U.S. citizen.”

If he was born in Kenya, Mr. Obama's mother was only 18 and could not have lived in the U.S. five years after her 14th birthday at the time of his birth.

Thus, it became a political necessity for Barack Obama to have a U.S. birth certificate. A forged birth certificate may have been produced in this case on April 27, 2011 because a genuine one does not exist despite the fact that the President was born in Hawaii or does not exist because he was born overseas.

For Barack Obama to have become a U.S. citizen under prevailing U.S. law at the time of his birth in 1961, his mother would have had to petition a U.S. immigration court for a naturalized U.S. citizenship status, which would have been readily granted to him because he was born of an American mother.

However, by the tragic timing of his birth taking place a few months short of his mother’s having lived in the U.S. for five years continuously after her 14th birthday, Barack Obama never achieved “natural born citizen” status and was as a matter of law constitutionally ineligible for the U.S. Presidency.

It is an established fact that Mr. Obama acquired Indonesian citizenship when his mother married Indonesian national Lolo Soetoro, who adopted Mr. Obama and moved his family to Indonesia in 1967. Indonesia requires that its citizens renounce all other citizenships.

There is no record, however, that after she sent Mr. Obama to live with his grandparents in Hawaii in 1971 or divorced Mr. Soetero Mr. Obama’s mother ever petitioned for U.S. nationalization of Mr. Obama.

Thus, it is most plausible that Mr. Obama was an Indonesian citizen,
when he returned to live with his grandparents in Hawaii in 1971
when he matriculated to Occidental College in Hawaii in 1979
when he ran for the U.S. Senate in January 2003
when he declared for U.S. President on February 10, 2007

Thus, as a matter of law, even a valid birth certificate showing that Mr. Obama was born on August 4, 1961 in Hawaii would not suffice to grant Barack Obama the “natural born” status he requires to be U.S. President, absent a special statue of the U.S. Congress as was granted his 2008 Presidential rival John McCain.

Ironically, in 1986, this U.S. immigration and naturalization law was changed to grant John McCain “natural born” status despite his having been born in the U.S. Panama Canal Zone.

The law change permits an individual born overseas to a U.S. parent married to an alien to acquire “natural born” status when born overseas in specific U.S. related facilities and territories."

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a citizen doesnt spend 2mill to hide his BC

a fucken liar and muzie traitor DOES

all the sherif has to do is go to Kenya
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5 stars, OP. Thank you for posting.
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Thank you very much!
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5 stars, OP. Thank you for posting.
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Thank you very much!
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Written below is a very thorough explanation which I found at this site...

[link to www.bibliotecapleyades.net]

It lays out exactly what everyone has been talking about. I hope it helps to clarify the questions around the birth and citizenship status of Obama. It helped me. I decided this needed its own thread.


"Between Dec. 24, 1953 and Nov. 13, 1986, an individual born abroad to a U.S. citizen parent married to an alien could be a “natural born citizen” only if the U.S. citizen parent had lived in the U.S. continuously for 10 years, five of which were after their 14th birthday.

Barack Obama’s mother, Stanley Ann Dunham, was born on November 29, 1942. Obama was allegedly born on August 4, 1961. Thus, by prevailing U.S. law, Barack Obama could not have been a “natural born U.S. citizen.”

If he was born in Kenya, Mr. Obama's mother was only 18 and could not have lived in the U.S. five years after her 14th birthday at the time of his birth.

Thus, it became a political necessity for Barack Obama to have a U.S. birth certificate. A forged birth certificate may have been produced in this case on April 27, 2011 because a genuine one does not exist despite the fact that the President was born in Hawaii or does not exist because he was born overseas.

For Barack Obama to have become a U.S. citizen under prevailing U.S. law at the time of his birth in 1961, his mother would have had to petition a U.S. immigration court for a naturalized U.S. citizenship status, which would have been readily granted to him because he was born of an American mother.

However, by the tragic timing of his birth taking place a few months short of his mother’s having lived in the U.S. for five years continuously after her 14th birthday, Barack Obama never achieved “natural born citizen” status and was as a matter of law constitutionally ineligible for the U.S. Presidency.

It is an established fact that Mr. Obama acquired Indonesian citizenship when his mother married Indonesian national Lolo Soetoro, who adopted Mr. Obama and moved his family to Indonesia in 1967. Indonesia requires that its citizens renounce all other citizenships.

There is no record, however, that after she sent Mr. Obama to live with his grandparents in Hawaii in 1971 or divorced Mr. Soetero Mr. Obama’s mother ever petitioned for U.S. nationalization of Mr. Obama.

Thus, it is most plausible that Mr. Obama was an Indonesian citizen,
when he returned to live with his grandparents in Hawaii in 1971
when he matriculated to Occidental College in Hawaii in 1979
when he ran for the U.S. Senate in January 2003
when he declared for U.S. President on February 10, 2007

Thus, as a matter of law, even a valid birth certificate showing that Mr. Obama was born on August 4, 1961 in Hawaii would not suffice to grant Barack Obama the “natural born” status he requires to be U.S. President, absent a special statue of the U.S. Congress as was granted his 2008 Presidential rival John McCain.

Ironically, in 1986, this U.S. immigration and naturalization law was changed to grant John McCain “natural born” status despite his having been born in the U.S. Panama Canal Zone.

The law change permits an individual born overseas to a U.S. parent married to an alien to acquire “natural born” status when born overseas in specific U.S. related facilities and territories."

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a citizen doesnt spend 2mill to hide his BC

a fucken liar and muzie traitor DOES

all the sherif has to do is go to Kenya
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For a president who ran by saying he would be transparent he's THE most obtuse president we have probably ever had in the history of this country. Why would someone who had nothing to hide, hide everything?
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How do you explain the birth announcements posted around Aug 4, 1961 in two Honolulu newspapers stating the birth of Obama in a Honolulu hospital? (note--these announcements are submitted by the hospital in question). There's just no getting around that.
As for Obama being adopted by his stepfather, he was a minor and i am quite sure the US would still consider him a citizen, no matter what Indonesia thought. You can't be robbed of your citizenship when you are a minor! Especially since i am sure there was no formal ceremony of renouncement. Indonesia may have considered him a citizen, but that cuts no ice.
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link?
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Mitt Romney's father was born in Mexico, so catch you guys in 2016.
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Can't stand Romney, so hope someone dis-qualifies both for this reason!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15359896


'Even though he wasn’t born in a United States territory or state, George Romney was given citizenship at birth because he was born to American citizens, essentially granting him the status of a natural-born citizen.
“When you’re born outside the United States to [U.S.] citizens, you have citizenship at birth,” explained Peter J. Spiro, a professor of law and an expert on the law of citizenship at Temple University. “You don’t have to do anything to claim your citizenship. You are a citizen from birth.”

quoted from... [link to abcnews.go.com]
 Quoting: A Friend


That's a pity about Romney qualifying, though.

Did you see if abc did a piece on Obamas Indonesians citizenship renouncement? I've seen articles talk about it but no articles articulately explaining how he qualifies, you know, in the way they were able to articulately explain how Romney qualified.
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I found this for you...

OTHER CITIZENSHIP ISSUES INDICATING BHO's INELIGIBILITY

It's not so much as to where BHO was born (in my opinion it was in Kenya, but that needs to be conclusively established), but what matters is what he did after~ a double renunciation of his American citizenship. So even if BHO was ever a "natural born citizen" he renounced his citizenship on more than one occasion.
Even IF Mr. Barack Hussein Obama II (Soetoro) could provide such a natural real 'long form' birth certificate, BHO would have lost his citizenship for the first time was in 1967 when his mother and stepfather registered him in school in Indonesia at a time when ONLY Indonesian citizens were permitted to attend Indonesian schools, and neither Indonesia nor the US allowed for dual Indonesian/American citizenship. Note on the registration the religion as "Islam".


from ... [link to obamanotqualified.com]

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5 stars, OP. Thank you for posting.
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Thank you very much!
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**AND** green karma to boot!
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Written below is a very thorough explanation which I found at this site...

[link to www.bibliotecapleyades.net]

It lays out exactly what everyone has been talking about. I hope it helps to clarify the questions around the birth and citizenship status of Obama. It helped me. I decided this needed its own thread.


"Between Dec. 24, 1953 and Nov. 13, 1986, an individual born abroad to a U.S. citizen parent married to an alien could be a “natural born citizen” only if the U.S. citizen parent had lived in the U.S. continuously for 10 years, five of which were after their 14th birthday.

Barack Obama’s mother, Stanley Ann Dunham, was born on November 29, 1942. Obama was allegedly born on August 4, 1961. Thus, by prevailing U.S. law, Barack Obama could not have been a “natural born U.S. citizen.”

If he was born in Kenya, Mr. Obama's mother was only 18 and could not have lived in the U.S. five years after her 14th birthday at the time of his birth.

Thus, it became a political necessity for Barack Obama to have a U.S. birth certificate. A forged birth certificate may have been produced in this case on April 27, 2011 because a genuine one does not exist despite the fact that the President was born in Hawaii or does not exist because he was born overseas.

For Barack Obama to have become a U.S. citizen under prevailing U.S. law at the time of his birth in 1961, his mother would have had to petition a U.S. immigration court for a naturalized U.S. citizenship status, which would have been readily granted to him because he was born of an American mother.

However, by the tragic timing of his birth taking place a few months short of his mother’s having lived in the U.S. for five years continuously after her 14th birthday, Barack Obama never achieved “natural born citizen” status and was as a matter of law constitutionally ineligible for the U.S. Presidency.

It is an established fact that Mr. Obama acquired Indonesian citizenship when his mother married Indonesian national Lolo Soetoro, who adopted Mr. Obama and moved his family to Indonesia in 1967. Indonesia requires that its citizens renounce all other citizenships.

There is no record, however, that after she sent Mr. Obama to live with his grandparents in Hawaii in 1971 or divorced Mr. Soetero Mr. Obama’s mother ever petitioned for U.S. nationalization of Mr. Obama.

Thus, it is most plausible that Mr. Obama was an Indonesian citizen,
when he returned to live with his grandparents in Hawaii in 1971
when he matriculated to Occidental College in Hawaii in 1979
when he ran for the U.S. Senate in January 2003
when he declared for U.S. President on February 10, 2007

Thus, as a matter of law, even a valid birth certificate showing that Mr. Obama was born on August 4, 1961 in Hawaii would not suffice to grant Barack Obama the “natural born” status he requires to be U.S. President, absent a special statue of the U.S. Congress as was granted his 2008 Presidential rival John McCain.

Ironically, in 1986, this U.S. immigration and naturalization law was changed to grant John McCain “natural born” status despite his having been born in the U.S. Panama Canal Zone.

The law change permits an individual born overseas to a U.S. parent married to an alien to acquire “natural born” status when born overseas in specific U.S. related facilities and territories."

 Quoting: A Friend


a citizen doesnt spend 2mill to hide his BC

a fucken liar and muzie traitor DOES

all the sherif has to do is go to Kenya
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15908971


"a citizen doesnt spend 2mill to hide his BC" -good point

a fucken liar and muzie traitor DOES"

Sufism is a great branch of Islam...even the Islamists don't ofter care for it much.

Ever watch a puppet?
There's either stings or someones hand moving it
it's not "real" but acting as the puppeteer does
it's his "sponsers" that put this together
Whose Conspirators includes:
ALL the MSM (which means virtually "all")
ALL of the congress ( with maybe 2 exceptions)
All of the "educators" with few exceptions
on and on and on

Welcome to the NEW USSR
(or whatever you wich to call it)

I guess this is nothing new to u but maybe not to others
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ok, so if it doesnt matter that he was born abroad, then why is he trying so hard to hide it?
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ok, so if it doesnt matter that he was born abroad, then why is he trying so hard to hide it?
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ha ha boy u r a brain...thank u colombo
anyone have an answer for that?
waiting......
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Who cares where he was born.

He is the president.

Most losers care because they feel they are being hurt by his control in the white house.

Hahahaha!

I control my own destiny regardless of who is in the white house. I own my own business and control the amount of money I make. I am my own boss and am very happy!

You want to things to get better then blame yourself not the president!

Have a great life!

dance
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You are such an instigating SCHMUCK aren't you !!
Been like that all your life ??
Romans 8:25 But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.
Heb 1:3 who being the shining splendor of His glory, and the express image of His essence, and upholding all things by the Word of His power, having made purification of our sins through Himself, He sat down on the right of the Majesty on high, Psa. 110:1
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what is actually so unamerican about obama?
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Seriously? How about having drones attack US citizens with no need for any reason or recourse.

How about being able to lock anyone up for any reason indefinitely with no due process.

Those are just a few things off the top of my head.
 Quoting: A Friend


The point being, this Muslim Communist is the Enemy of the United States and all her people!
 Quoting: Nam Marine 1170522


He's proven that with the changes he's been implementing all along.
 Quoting: A Friend


Yeah! What are your top 3?
 Quoting: StBlitzer


Two are up top and then there are all of his selected Czars who account to no one but Obama.
 Quoting: A Friend


Indefinite detention was hatched by the Bush administration, so Obama didn't implement that though he should have stopped it.

Obama has actually reduced the number of czars from the Bush administration so you should be happy about that I guess.
[link to www.factcheck.org]

I'll give you the drone program, which is popular with the right wingers. But which drone strikes intentionally targeted US citizens?

1.5 out of three ain't bad.
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Well our recourse is impeachment, prison for perpetrating fraud or vote him out. It seems that since MSM is not covering any of this it is up to the concerned people of the US to take up the banner.
 Quoting: A Friend


Ya Good luck with that.
 Quoting: anti-agenda21


Why on earth complain about the MSM? They're in the tank, right?

Why not ask why Mitt Romney and the establishment GOP have abandoned America? Theresa MSM can't impeach anyone, but the Republican controlled House can. Mitt Romney has the ability to dictate the daily political conversation. Why doesn't he do something?
 Quoting: StBlitzer


Perhaps they threatened him just as they threatened Bill and Hillary Clinton first by killing Bill's best friend then telling them that Chelsea would be next.

Or perhaps he wants to stay away from such a controversial subject so that he can get elected and do the next best thing to arrest or impeachment.
 Quoting: A Friend



What you want to bet that at an appointed time when Obama realizes he's going to lose to Mitt, if it hasn't happened already, Mitt will absolve Obama from any reprisals that may threaten after he leaves office? In fact, that's generally a deal from President to President now a days. Who can strike the best deal?
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no matter where you lie on the birther issue, you CANNOT DENY the FACT that the LFBC is a fraudulent document. If you've seen the evidence, then you know. If you haven't seen the evidence, go ahead and keep defending the Traitor in Chief, but take a few minutes and look up the farse he released (finally, after three years and millions of dollars trying to deny it and then hide it...as if that weren't enough to convince most).

If you use the computer, with a minimum of computer skills, you can take that thing apart piece by piece by piece.

Why such a shoddy attempt at forgery? Something tells me the powers above him are setting him up for a fall. More ways than one.
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His Indonesian citizenship should also have been an issue, but most have ignored that.
 Quoting: Anonymous Cowherder


Yes and both Indonesia and Kenya were Brittish territories at the times Obama lived in both of those countries. He was a Brittish subject. That alone is enough to disqualify him from the office of President.
 Quoting: Resister


President Chester Authur was also a British subject. I don't care for Obama's policies and I am not a supporter, I only pointing out that this isn't the first time this has happened.
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what is actually so unamerican about obama?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15910913


Seriously? How about having drones attack US citizens with no need for any reason or recourse.

How about being able to lock anyone up for any reason indefinitely with no due process.

Those are just a few things off the top of my head.
 Quoting: A Friend


...


He's proven that with the changes he's been implementing all along.
 Quoting: A Friend


Yeah! What are your top 3?
 Quoting: StBlitzer


Two are up top and then there are all of his selected Czars who account to no one but Obama.
 Quoting: A Friend


Indefinite detention was hatched by the Bush administration, so Obama didn't implement that though he should have stopped it.

Obama has actually reduced the number of czars from the Bush administration so you should be happy about that I guess.
[link to www.factcheck.org]

I'll give you the drone program, which is popular with the right wingers. But which drone strikes intentionally targeted US citizens?

1.5 out of three ain't bad.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14526113


Indefinite detention for no reason with no recourse, I believe, is Obama.

I can add forcing Obamacare down everyone's throats including democrats who disagreed.

He's implemented the RFID chip to be injected into everyone on Obamacare.

You know there's more...
I would rather live my life as if there is a God and die to find out there isn't, than live my life as if there isn't and die to find out there is. -Albert Camus

My 3 new books with some art and photography being original works, enjoy... [link to www.slideshare.net]

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gives

Who cares where he was born.

He is the president.

Most losers care because they feel they are being hurt by his control in the white house.

Hahahaha!

I control my own destiny regardless of who is in the white house. I own my own business and control the amount of money I make. I am my own boss and am very happy!

You want to things to get better then blame yourself not the president!

Have a great life!

dance
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You are such an instigating SCHMUCK aren't you !!
Been like that all your life ??
 Quoting: Magicfeather


Truth hurts? Did I hit a nerve?
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Re: IT DOES NOT MATTER IF OBAMA WAS BORN IN HAWAII... here's why.
Oh come on man! He's a citizen of the WORLD! ISn't that enough? Open boarders, no accountability UN/NATO control, everyone in the same utopian pot...

Where's your vision dude? Obama is the saviour! He's the modern day Capt. Kirk on the USS Enterprise!


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