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IT DOES NOT MATTER IF OBAMA WAS BORN IN HAWAII... here's why.

 
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Oh come on man! He's a citizen of the WORLD! ISn't that enough? Open boarders, no accountability UN/NATO control, everyone in the same utopian pot...

Where's your vision dude? Obama is the saviour! He's the modern day Capt. Kirk on the USS Enterprise!


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that is SO weird cuz last time I checked he WAS the President of the United States and I am pretty sure when I wake up in the morning he will still be.
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And he IS an Indonesian Citizen. That's just great.
When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro.
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Written below is a very thorough explanation which I found at this site...

[link to www.bibliotecapleyades.net]

It lays out exactly what everyone has been talking about. I hope it helps to clarify the questions around the birth and citizenship status of Obama. It helped me. I decided this needed its own thread.


"Between Dec. 24, 1953 and Nov. 13, 1986, an individual born abroad to a U.S. citizen parent married to an alien could be a “natural born citizen” only if the U.S. citizen parent had lived in the U.S. continuously for 10 years, five of which were after their 14th birthday.

Barack Obama’s mother, Stanley Ann Dunham, was born on November 29, 1942. Obama was allegedly born on August 4, 1961. Thus, by prevailing U.S. law, Barack Obama could not have been a “natural born U.S. citizen.”

If he was born in Kenya, Mr. Obama's mother was only 18 and could not have lived in the U.S. five years after her 14th birthday at the time of his birth.


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He would not be a natural born US citizen for sure had he been born anywhere other than US soil since his mother did not meet the criteria to pass on US citizenship status to him at the time of his birth and his father was never a US citizen. I fail to see how this matters if he was in fact born in Hawaii though. Unless being a natural born US citizen means that BOTH parents must be US citizens at the time of your birth. That would make sense. Think about it. If both your parents are US citizens at the time of your birth then they are most likely to have only an allegiance to the US and will more than likely raise you to have only an allegiance to the US. Do you really think that all these anchor babies that are popped out by illegal aliens will have any allegiance to the US? They are citizens by birth but that does not mean that they will be raised in a household where the US' best interest is instilled in them. If there isnt a difference between simply being a US citizen by birth (being popped out on US soil regardless of your parents citizenship status) and being a natural born US citizen (BOTH parents are US citizens at the time of your birth) there should be.
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'Even though he wasn’t born in a United States territory or state, George Romney was given citizenship at birth because he was born to American citizens, essentially granting him the status of a natural-born citizen.
“When you’re born outside the United States to [U.S.] citizens, you have citizenship at birth,” explained Peter J. Spiro, a professor of law and an expert on the law of citizenship at Temple University. “You don’t have to do anything to claim your citizenship. You are a citizen from birth.”

quoted from... [link to abcnews.go.com]
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There you go birther. Citizen at birth is natural born citizen. Fucking go away and put your head up your ass some more. You will eat well tonight!
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The quote makes it clear that it means two Citizens of the US. And the point of this thread is that he renounced his citizenship if he had any to become a citizen of Indonesia.
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You have just been shown incapable of literacy. The quote said citizen at birth is what makes one a natural born citizen. Now you spew shit. Fucking birther, go back to grade school. Sue the school. Tell them they didn't fucking educate you.
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At the request of numerous constituents, I merely asked Hawaiian officials to verify the information contained within President Obama’s original birth certificate,” Bennett said in a written statement on Wednesday. “They have complied with the request and I consider the matter closed.”


The previous day, Bennett apologized on a Phoenix radio station for embarrassing Arizona with his conspiracy theory-fueled investigation into the president’s birth certificate. He said he only starting looking into Obama’s birth after being heckled with angry emails from people who didn’t believe the president was truly a natural born citizen of the United States.

[link to tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com]
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'Even though he wasn’t born in a United States territory or state, George Romney was given citizenship at birth because he was born to American citizens, essentially granting him the status of a natural-born citizen.
“When you’re born outside the United States to [U.S.] citizens, you have citizenship at birth,” explained Peter J. Spiro, a professor of law and an expert on the law of citizenship at Temple University. “You don’t have to do anything to claim your citizenship. You are a citizen from birth.”

quoted from... [link to abcnews.go.com]
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There you go birther. Citizen at birth is natural born citizen. Fucking go away and put your head up your ass some more. You will eat well tonight!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 16577187


There are other law professors that say it [natural born citizen] means something different.

One was just born a US Citizen and the other required parents to be US Citizens. A few laws passed during that time period that support the later more than the former.

I don't believe either of them required a person to be born necessarily on US Soil.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
[link to en.wikipedia.org]

I think its best to try an figure out the original intent of the founding fathers. That would really put an end to this. The original intent is the law when it comes to the Constitution.

The links are from a quick search. I heard the professors arguing on the radio lol.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1391353


What was happening when the constitution was written were two distinct situations...

First you had the founding fathers then you had people born on US soil to two US citizens.

They did not want someone who had no ties to the US to be able to come in and subvert our country from within so they stipulated that the President must be a child of two citizens.

Since the founding fathers were not born in the US they made a stipulation for them only... not future generations.
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At the request of numerous constituents, I merely asked Hawaiian officials to verify the information contained within President Obama’s original birth certificate,” Bennett said in a written statement on Wednesday. “They have complied with the request and I consider the matter closed.”


The previous day, Bennett apologized on a Phoenix radio station for embarrassing Arizona with his conspiracy theory-fueled investigation into the president’s birth certificate. He said he only starting looking into Obama’s birth after being heckled with angry emails from people who didn’t believe the president was truly a natural born citizen of the United States.

[link to tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14526113


As the title of the thread states... this isn't about Hawaii.
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His Indonesian citizenship should also have been an issue, but most have ignored that.
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Yes and both Indonesia and Kenya were Brittish territories at the times Obama lived in both of those countries. He was a Brittish subject. That alone is enough to disqualify him from the office of President.
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Yes, in fact, the British citizenship in particular is what the framers of the Constitution wished to prevent from being president--except those alive when the Constitution was signed (Obama wasn't alive when it was signed so not "grandfathered" in).

The framers of the Constitution didn't want an agent of the British to become president and undermine the new democracy on behalf of the (enemy) king of England.

The framers used the definition of "natural born citizen" that was popular at the time from Vattel's work---and much of the Constitution is borrowed from Vattel. It was a well known and popular work at that time.

The definition of a citizen was anyone born in the country. So if 2 British subjects had a baby in America, the baby was a citizen. They could just be visiting though and have no loyalty to the country. The parents weren't "committed" to the US.

The definition of a NATURAL BORN citizen (or native) was anyone born in the country to 2 parents who are citizens. The parents may have been born in England but had committed to the US and become citizens. When the baby is born, it is automatically a citizen. And because the parents are citizens as well, the baby has the elevated status of natural born citizen. The loyalty to the US should be in place.

Obama can never be a natural born citizen since his father was never a citizen of the US. Worse, his father was a British subject.
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Yes, that's a Fact....

MINOR v HAPPERSETT, 88 US, 162, (Wall),162..is the SOURCE of the Fact you presented!
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link?
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[link to www.bibliotecapleyades.net]

fixed it
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Sheesh, can't use that piece as any authority because of the stupied DARPA statements. Now it just looks like woowoo. Argh.
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It does not matter because he IS CURRENTLY the President of the United States.

It may come out later (after his second term) that he wasn't eligible but by that point ... it really doesn't matter does it.
He will have already served as President and there is nothing anyone will be able to do about it.
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Well for me i do not care where he was born he is still a stupid bastard liberal
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Seriously? How about having drones attack US citizens with no need for any reason or recourse.

How about being able to lock anyone up for any reason indefinitely with no due process.

Those are just a few things off the top of my head.
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Yeah! What are your top 3?
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Two are up top and then there are all of his selected Czars who account to no one but Obama.
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Indefinite detention was hatched by the Bush administration, so Obama didn't implement that though he should have stopped it.

Obama has actually reduced the number of czars from the Bush administration so you should be happy about that I guess.
[link to www.factcheck.org]

I'll give you the drone program, which is popular with the right wingers. But which drone strikes intentionally targeted US citizens?

1.5 out of three ain't bad.
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Indefinite detention for no reason with no recourse, I believe, is Obama.

I can add forcing Obamacare down everyone's throats including democrats who disagreed.

He's implemented the RFID chip to be injected into everyone on Obamacare.

You know there's more...
 Quoting: A Friend


Nope, indefinite detention was all Bush's idea.

The President can't pass laws though a majority favors Romneycare I mean Obamacare versus the status quo.

RFID chip has long since been debunked: [link to www.snopes.com]
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It does not matter because he IS CURRENTLY the President of the United States.

It may come out later (after his second term) that he wasn't eligible but by that point ... it really doesn't matter does it.
He will have already served as President and there is nothing anyone will be able to do about it.
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IF enough people learn the truth there is still a chance... there is always a chance.
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Written below is a very thorough explanation which I found at this site...

[link to www.bibliotecapleyades.net]

It lays out exactly what everyone has been talking about. I hope it helps to clarify the questions around the birth and citizenship status of Obama. It helped me. I decided this needed its own thread.


"Between Dec. 24, 1953 and Nov. 13, 1986, an individual born abroad to a U.S. citizen parent married to an alien could be a “natural born citizen” only if the U.S. citizen parent had lived in the U.S. continuously for 10 years, five of which were after their 14th birthday.

Barack Obama’s mother, Stanley Ann Dunham, was born on November 29, 1942. Obama was allegedly born on August 4, 1961. Thus, by prevailing U.S. law, Barack Obama could not have been a “natural born U.S. citizen.”

If he was born in Kenya, Mr. Obama's mother was only 18 and could not have lived in the U.S. five years after her 14th birthday at the time of his birth.


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He would not be a natural born US citizen for sure had he been born anywhere other than US soil since his mother did not meet the criteria to pass on US citizenship status to him at the time of his birth and his father was never a US citizen. I fail to see how this matters if he was in fact born in Hawaii though. Unless being a natural born US citizen means that BOTH parents must be US citizens at the time of your birth. That would make sense. Think about it. If both your parents are US citizens at the time of your birth then they are most likely to have only an allegiance to the US and will more than likely raise you to have only an allegiance to the US. Do you really think that all these anchor babies that are popped out by illegal aliens will have any allegiance to the US? They are citizens by birth but that does not mean that they will be raised in a household where the US' best interest is instilled in them. If there isnt a difference between simply being a US citizen by birth (being popped out on US soil regardless of your parents citizenship status) and being a natural born US citizen (BOTH parents are US citizens at the time of your birth) there should be.
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Thank you, well said and you are correct.
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Uh, oh... looks like the party's over:


At the request of numerous constituents, I merely asked Hawaiian officials to verify the information contained within President Obama’s original birth certificate,” Bennett said in a written statement on Wednesday. “They have complied with the request and I consider the matter closed.”


The previous day, Bennett apologized on a Phoenix radio station for embarrassing Arizona with his conspiracy theory-fueled investigation into the president’s birth certificate. He said he only starting looking into Obama’s birth after being heckled with angry emails from people who didn’t believe the president was truly a natural born citizen of the United States.

[link to tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com]
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nnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnot over yet.Hawaii produced a document showing he was born in Hawaii.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>But here's where it
gets good: Evidence has been prod8ced show tat his father was the British Kenyan. Proof pf ineligibility.
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You people are chasing ghosts. Give up already. You should be more concerned with the elite who are the REAL policy makers in the USA. Maybe you should open your eyes and notice that your democrat AND republican "elected" leaders are more loyal to corporate money than they are to YOU!
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Two are up top and then there are all of his selected Czars who account to no one but Obama.
 Quoting: A Friend


Indefinite detention was hatched by the Bush administration, so Obama didn't implement that though he should have stopped it.

Obama has actually reduced the number of czars from the Bush administration so you should be happy about that I guess.
[link to www.factcheck.org]

I'll give you the drone program, which is popular with the right wingers. But which drone strikes intentionally targeted US citizens?

1.5 out of three ain't bad.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14526113


Indefinite detention for no reason with no recourse, I believe, is Obama.

I can add forcing Obamacare down everyone's throats including democrats who disagreed.

He's implemented the RFID chip to be injected into everyone on Obamacare.

You know there's more...
 Quoting: A Friend


Nope, indefinite detention was all Bush's idea.

The President can't pass laws though a majority favors Romneycare I mean Obamacare versus the status quo.

RFID chip has long since been debunked: [link to www.snopes.com]
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On the detention... it is Obama who says he can arrest and detain someone who may commit a future act... that is the difference. You are not being detained for anything you have done in the past but for something you may do in the future.
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You people are chasing ghosts. Give up already. You should be more concerned with the elite who are the REAL policy makers in the USA. Maybe you should open your eyes and notice that your democrat AND republican "elected" leaders are more loyal to corporate money than they are to YOU!
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Agreed and that is why so many people are trying to find the solution to this problem which has gotten out of hand so completely that instead of living in freedom in the land of the free we are becoming slaves in our own land.
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It does not matter because he IS CURRENTLY the President of the United States.

It may come out later (after his second term) that he wasn't eligible but by that point ... it really doesn't matter does it.
He will have already served as President and there is nothing anyone will be able to do about it.
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I agree with you. Like him or not, everyone SHOULD be upset that an ineligible person was even able/encouraged to run for President, and especially be elected and serve as President.

I really can't believe how some people don't find this a big deal.

It's demoralizing propaganda for the US as a country to go through eligibility crisis's with a current President. It's part of the plan to make our laws matter not, just like the constitution and so many of our own people shrug their shoulders or laugh at the mockery aimed at themselves.
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There you go birther. Citizen at birth is natural born citizen. Fucking go away and put your head up your ass some more. You will eat well tonight!
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The quote makes it clear that it means two Citizens of the US. And the point of this thread is that he renounced his citizenship if he had any to become a citizen of Indonesia.
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You have just been shown incapable of literacy. The quote said citizen at birth is what makes one a natural born citizen. Now you spew shit. Fucking birther, go back to grade school. Sue the school. Tell them they didn't fucking educate you.
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Thanks for the photos and I love your avatar!
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The ruling in the case of Allen v. Arizona Democratic Party:

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“...Arizona courts are bound by United States Supreme Court precedent, and this precedent fully supports that President Obama is a natural born citizen under the Constitution and thus qualified to hold the office of President. See United States v. Wong Kim Ark (addressing U. S. Const. amend. XIV) ; Ankeny v. Governor of the State of Indiana(addressing the precise issue). Contrary to Plaintiff’s assertion, Minor v. Happersett does not hold otherwise.”

Read and silently weep, birfoons.

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The ruling in the case of Allen v. Arizona Democratic Party:

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“...Arizona courts are bound by United States Supreme Court precedent, and this precedent fully supports that President Obama is a natural born citizen under the Constitution and thus qualified to hold the office of President. See United States v. Wong Kim Ark (addressing U. S. Const. amend. XIV) ; Ankeny v. Governor of the State of Indiana(addressing the precise issue). Contrary to Plaintiff’s assertion, Minor v. Happersett does not hold otherwise.”

Read and silently weep, birfoons.

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 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 16546094


Again... this post is not about that. This post is about the fact that he renounced his citizenship. He has indonesian citizenship unless he renounced that... and of course we can't know the truth of the matter because he has hidden his past. The fact that he was a college student in the US as a foreign student should give a clue... yes?
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The ruling in the case of Allen v. Arizona Democratic Party:

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“...Arizona courts are bound by United States Supreme Court precedent, and this precedent fully supports that President Obama is a natural born citizen under the Constitution and thus qualified to hold the office of President. See United States v. Wong Kim Ark (addressing U. S. Const. amend. XIV) ; Ankeny v. Governor of the State of Indiana(addressing the precise issue). Contrary to Plaintiff’s assertion, Minor v. Happersett does not hold otherwise.”

Read and silently weep, birfoons.

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I hope once he gets deported he runs to be the new Slovenian dictator ....
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The ruling in the case of Allen v. Arizona Democratic Party:

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“...Arizona courts are bound by United States Supreme Court precedent, and this precedent fully supports that President Obama is a natural born citizen under the Constitution and thus qualified to hold the office of President. See United States v. Wong Kim Ark (addressing U. S. Const. amend. XIV) ; Ankeny v. Governor of the State of Indiana(addressing the precise issue). Contrary to Plaintiff’s assertion, Minor v. Happersett does not hold otherwise.”

Read and silently weep, birfoons.

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I hope once he gets deported he runs to be the new Slovenian dictator ....
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lol

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The ruling in the case of Allen v. Arizona Democratic Party:

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“...Arizona courts are bound by United States Supreme Court precedent, and this precedent fully supports that President Obama is a natural born citizen under the Constitution and thus qualified to hold the office of President. See United States v. Wong Kim Ark (addressing U. S. Const. amend. XIV) ; Ankeny v. Governor of the State of Indiana(addressing the precise issue). Contrary to Plaintiff’s assertion, Minor v. Happersett does not hold otherwise.”

Read and silently weep, birfoons.

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Again... this post is not about that. This post is about the fact that he renounced his citizenship. He has indonesian citizenship unless he renounced that... and of course we can't know the truth of the matter because he has hidden his past. The fact that he was a college student in the US as a foreign student should give a clue... yes?
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Fucking birther.

You say he renounced his citizenship. You say it is a "fact." If it is a fact then you will PROVE it is a fact with the record. It is also not a fact that he was a college student as a foreign student. Birthers make up shit and then repeat it so much they don't know their head from their ass.
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Re: IT DOES NOT MATTER IF OBAMA WAS BORN IN HAWAII... here's why.
No dipshits.
He was born in HW.
AND his mother was American.
Deal with it.
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The ruling in the case of Allen v. Arizona Democratic Party:

[link to www.scribd.com]

“...Arizona courts are bound by United States Supreme Court precedent, and this precedent fully supports that President Obama is a natural born citizen under the Constitution and thus qualified to hold the office of President. See United States v. Wong Kim Ark (addressing U. S. Const. amend. XIV) ; Ankeny v. Governor of the State of Indiana(addressing the precise issue). Contrary to Plaintiff’s assertion, Minor v. Happersett does not hold otherwise.”

Read and silently weep, birfoons.

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Again... this post is not about that. This post is about the fact that he renounced his citizenship. ...
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Obama did NOT renounce his citizenship; another myth.

Again OP, Birthers have tried this and all other alleged "arguments" on courts and failed every time. In only 3 cases Obama had to defend the suit (Berg v. Obama, Keyes v. Bowen, Hollister v. Soetoro). In most other cases the court dismissed the case sua sponte (on its own accord) with no motions filed by Obama – due inanity of legal filing.

Everytime Birthers fail, Obama scores. Hence carry on with it.

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