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NEW! 32º of Insanity 05.16.12 : WISE Telescope CONFIRMS Nibiru a Rogue Planet outside of Neptune

 
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for the record I emailed donny on his facebook page.
I told him if he fabricated this....I will hunt him down.
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You gave this nutcase your email address?!
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emailed hm on facebook yes.
One must learn that if one deliberatley missleads....there are consequences.

but I still have yet to decide if he did so.
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for the record I emailed donny on his facebook page.
I told him if he fabricated this....I will hunt him down.
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You gave this nutcase your email address?!
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emailed hm on facebook yes.
One must learn that if one deliberatley missleads....there are consequences.

but I still have yet to decide if he did so.
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So do you think he is going to be a learnerbee?
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Where is Astrobitch @ to debunk this
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TBar already debunked it, and he's exactly right.
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This was debunked as soon as he showed Nibiru to be near the sun. The so called rogue object, if it even exists, is coming in from way down south.

Unless you are at the south pole from April to June, you're not going to see it.... if it even exists
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Sorry, that's just as much BS as Donny put out in his video. Anything that can be seen at the South Pole can be seen by people all the way to the equator. Sometimes even further.


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I respect your opinion but I disagree with you. I'll leave it at that.
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It's NOT OPINION Child. Try a little RESEARCH.
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Folks TBar just proved with his quote that he is nothing but a DISINFO SHILL !



P.S. I have done my own research, and my main source is very respected, and I am not talking about Donny Gilson.
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Sorry, that's just as much BS as Donny put out in his video. Anything that can be seen at the South Pole can be seen by people all the way to the equator. Sometimes even further.


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I respect your opinion but I disagree with you. I'll leave it at that.
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It's NOT OPINION Child. Try a little RESEARCH.
 Quoting: TBar1984


Folks TBar just proved with his quote that he is nothing but a DISINFO SHILL !



P.S. I have done my own research, and my main source is very respected, and I am not talking about Donny Gilson.
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bsflag
You can see the entire southern celestial sphere from anywhere in the southern hemisphere. There's no location in the sky that can only be seen from the "south pole." Do you need to be at the north pole to see the north star? Of course not, you can see it from anywhere in the northern hemisphere. Likewise you can see all the way down to the south celestial pole anywhere in the southern hemisphere. Calling someone a "shill" because they state this fact and back it up is not intelligent.
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GEEEZZZZZ...Ok, we have those who believe in Nibiru...and those who do not. That is fine! Just because we all do not think/believe the same is what makes this site interesting! The name calling is not needed from either side of this issue!

I mean come on...you sound like third graders picking on each other over a blue or red crayon!

And as for myself....I keep an open mind on this. If Nibiru is real...so be it...if not...oh well, it has been a learning experience of the solar system! stonerverycool
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ONLY QUESTION IS ..... HOW can Nibiru, A PLANET, ALSO be a SUN LIKE object, fools ?

This jerk has been so confused by the ASSNUTS, and others, he doesn't know the difference between a PLANET and the BINARY SUN, twin of our sun !

BUT, that's what the controllers want. Confusion about everything we see, do and post. Looks like the creeps have been successful ! Too MANY people TOO LAZY to read Stichen's books and KNOW the difference, as reported by the Sumerians, and CHISELED in STONE !
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I respect your opinion but I disagree with you. I'll leave it at that.
 Quoting: The Dudester


It's NOT OPINION Child. Try a little RESEARCH.
 Quoting: TBar1984


Folks TBar just proved with his quote that he is nothing but a DISINFO SHILL !



P.S. I have done my own research, and my main source is very respected, and I am not talking about Donny Gilson.
 Quoting: The Dudester

bsflag
You can see the entire southern celestial sphere from anywhere in the southern hemisphere. There's no location in the sky that can only be seen from the "south pole." Do you need to be at the north pole to see the north star? Of course not, you can see it from anywhere in the northern hemisphere. Likewise you can see all the way down to the south celestial pole anywhere in the southern hemisphere. Calling someone a "shill" because they state this fact and back it up is not intelligent.
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Yes Astronut but can you tell me if at any same point in time an object can be seen as clearly in for example, St. Louis Missouri as it can be seen in for in example, Aukland NZ?
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Can someone with these programs corroborate his findings and pictures??
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ONLY QUESTION IS ..... HOW can Nibiru, A PLANET, ALSO be a SUN LIKE object, fools ?

This jerk has been so confused by the ASSNUTS, and others, he doesn't know the difference between a PLANET and the BINARY SUN, twin of our sun !

BUT, that's what the controllers want. Confusion about everything we see, do and post. Looks like the creeps have been successful ! Too MANY people TOO LAZY to read Stichen's books and KNOW the difference, as reported by the Sumerians, and CHISELED in STONE !
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I am reading his books myself now. I find his work very interesting. I also find humor in how many say he got his reading of the tablets wrong....but they FAIL to put the true reading of them out for all to see!

Sometimes things are not meant for everyone to know...his walk in this life was to read the tablets. I for one again...enjoy reading his books thus far!
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Re: NEW! 32º of Insanity 05.16.12 : WISE Telescope CONFIRMS Nibiru a Rogue Planet outside of Neptune
i ust emailed mr don adams on facebook. I told him if i find out he faked this video I will hunt him down.


Deliberate missleading on an important worldwide event such as this is unforgivable in my book and worthy of vengance.
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Nancy Lieder has been doing exactly that for over a decade. Still, I don't condone any "vengence".
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The earth is flat..

The moon is green cheese..

Nothing is faster than the speed of light..

Astronomers are infallible..

Believers are shills..

Doubters are shills..

The sky is falling..

The sky is not falling..

Scientists are never wrong..


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I am not a crook..

Read my lips..

I did not have sexual relations with that woman..

Iraq has WMD's..

'Bend over' is a 'security protocol' necessity..

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It's NOT OPINION Child. Try a little RESEARCH.
 Quoting: TBar1984


Folks TBar just proved with his quote that he is nothing but a DISINFO SHILL !



P.S. I have done my own research, and my main source is very respected, and I am not talking about Donny Gilson.
 Quoting: The Dudester

bsflag
You can see the entire southern celestial sphere from anywhere in the southern hemisphere. There's no location in the sky that can only be seen from the "south pole." Do you need to be at the north pole to see the north star? Of course not, you can see it from anywhere in the northern hemisphere. Likewise you can see all the way down to the south celestial pole anywhere in the southern hemisphere. Calling someone a "shill" because they state this fact and back it up is not intelligent.
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Yes Astronut but can you tell me if at any same point in time an object can be seen as clearly in for example, St. Louis Missouri as it can be seen in for in example, Aukland NZ?
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Excuse me, but that was not the question at all. Stop trying to change horses.
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Re: NEW! 32º of Insanity 05.16.12 : WISE Telescope CONFIRMS Nibiru a Rogue Planet outside of Neptune
9/10 Nibiru theories have failed this thing is getting old. 2nd sun by what? 2009? Then it was 2010 then 2011 then they said Oh its hiding n wont pop up til the very last minute. Lmao stfu..
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Waay before that. Were you not around for 2003?
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Niburutards said we would see it in 2008.

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You mean 2003?
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Folks TBar just proved with his quote that he is nothing but a DISINFO SHILL !



P.S. I have done my own research, and my main source is very respected, and I am not talking about Donny Gilson.
 Quoting: The Dudester

bsflag
You can see the entire southern celestial sphere from anywhere in the southern hemisphere. There's no location in the sky that can only be seen from the "south pole." Do you need to be at the north pole to see the north star? Of course not, you can see it from anywhere in the northern hemisphere. Likewise you can see all the way down to the south celestial pole anywhere in the southern hemisphere. Calling someone a "shill" because they state this fact and back it up is not intelligent.
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Yes Astronut but can you tell me if at any same point in time an object can be seen as clearly in for example, St. Louis Missouri as it can be seen in for in example, Aukland NZ?
 Quoting: The Dudester

Excuse me, but that was not the question at all. Stop trying to change horses.
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First off I never had a question, I made a comment. Don't you read posts before commenting?

Secondly I'm trying to prove a point with my question to you after you claim "B.S." but obviously you can't or won't answer a very simple question so...... the bsflag is on you sir.
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Caution: Take what Donny Gilson says with large grain of Himalayan sea salt...He has been wrong before. And he's a wee bit loopy.

crazy
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Yep he is a wee bit...I do believe he is willing to go where others do not albeit his amateurish style he is mostly looking at all the angles and YES it is hard work following him but his side of the argument must be made...
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for the record I emailed donny on his facebook page.
I told him if he fabricated this....I will hunt him down.
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You gave this nutcase your email address?!
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emailed hm on facebook yes.
One must learn that if one deliberatley missleads....there are consequences.

but I still have yet to decide if he did so.
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I have a question about the whole Planet X / Nibiru thing. Assuming this rogue planet is in fact behind Neptune, could it actually fly by our planet by next December? Would it have enough time to get that close to us? Just a question, thanks. They're are many here who know much more about astronomy than I do.
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GEEEZZZZZ...Ok, we have those who believe in Nibiru...and those who do not. That is fine! Just because we all do not think/believe the same is what makes this site interesting! The name calling is not needed from either side of this issue!

I mean come on...you sound like third graders picking on each other over a blue or red crayon!

And as for myself....I keep an open mind on this. If Nibiru is real...so be it...if not...oh well, it has been a learning experience of the solar system! stonerverycool
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Ha Ha...you funny...but I agree with you...peace
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bsflag
You can see the entire southern celestial sphere from anywhere in the southern hemisphere. There's no location in the sky that can only be seen from the "south pole." Do you need to be at the north pole to see the north star? Of course not, you can see it from anywhere in the northern hemisphere. Likewise you can see all the way down to the south celestial pole anywhere in the southern hemisphere. Calling someone a "shill" because they state this fact and back it up is not intelligent.
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Yes Astronut but can you tell me if at any same point in time an object can be seen as clearly in for example, St. Louis Missouri as it can be seen in for in example, Aukland NZ?
 Quoting: The Dudester

Excuse me, but that was not the question at all. Stop trying to change horses.
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First off I never had a question, I made a comment. Don't you read posts before commenting?
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Let me spell it out for you since you don't seem to get it. The question at hand (whether you phrased your response as a question or not) was whether or not you can see the entire southern celestial sphere from anywhere in the southern hemisphere. You said, and I quote, "Unless you are at the south pole from April to June, you're not going to see it.... if it even exists" For that claim to be true, it must not be possible to see the entire southern celestial sphere from the entire southern hemisphere, in fact some part of it must only be visible from the south pole. That is not true. That's what TBar explained to you and it's the question at hand. Your comment about a northern vs a southern hemisphere location is irrelevant to the question at hand. Your claim is BS, get it?

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The guy who made that video is a hardcore moron. I had a flashback to A Beautiful Mind while watching him explain his 'proof'.

At the 1:20 mark in the video, this retard points to a bobbing lens flare in the upper left corner and insinuates that it is a celestial object.

I mean really...he's taking a report about something farther away than Neptune (which has been known about for over a year btw) and then suggesting that a few days ago it was close enough to the sun to show up in a sunrise/sunset.

IMO this is the biggest, most glaring logical failure that you Nibirutards fall back on over and over again; You say 'Nibiru is coming' and then you look at videos of something buzzing the Antarctica station, or a sunset video and say 'look, there it is!'.

As if this giant, Jupiter-sized object is somehow darting around our inner solar system, underneath the Earth at Antarctica one day, and then hanging out beside the Sun the next, then back to Antarctica the next day...oh look, now it's back at the far reaches of our Solar system again...a few days later it's back parked beside the Sun...and so on.

Here's a protip: Nibiru can only 'come right at us' once per orbit. And if the thing you see fly by the Antartica station is Nibiru, then that means it already came, passed us, and left. See you again in 3600 years buddy. If it was so close within our inner solar system to share a sunset with the Sun, in videos taken 2-3 years ago, it would have had to have left and gone on it's way LOOOONG ago.

I can't say for sure if there's a rogue planet out there with our name on it. But the one thing I CAN say with absolute certainty, is that there has NOT been an object 4x the size of the Earth bouncing around our inner solar system for the past several years.
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You can see the entire southern celestial sphere from anywhere in the southern hemisphere. There's no location in the sky that can only be seen from the "south pole." Do you need to be at the north pole to see the north star? Of course not, you can see it from anywhere in the northern hemisphere. Likewise you can see all the way down to the south celestial pole anywhere in the southern hemisphere. Calling someone a "shill" because they state this fact and back it up is not intelligent.
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Yes Astronut but can you tell me if at any same point in time an object can be seen as clearly in for example, St. Louis Missouri as it can be seen in for in example, Aukland NZ?
 Quoting: The Dudester

Excuse me, but that was not the question at all. Stop trying to change horses.
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First off I never had a question, I made a comment. Don't you read posts before commenting?

Secondly I'm trying to prove a point with my question to you after you claim "B.S." but obviously you can't or won't answer a very simple question so...... the bsflag is on you sir.
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That is pretty obviously a question.
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for the record I emailed donny on his facebook page.
I told him if he fabricated this....I will hunt him down.
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You gave this nutcase your email address?!
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emailed hm on facebook yes.
One must learn that if one deliberatley missleads....there are consequences.

but I still have yet to decide if he did so.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14770674


I have a question about the whole Planet X / Nibiru thing. Assuming this rogue planet is in fact behind Neptune, could it actually fly by our planet by next December? Would it have enough time to get that close to us? Just a question, thanks. They're are many here who know much more about astronomy than I do.
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I am not going to try and answer the 'Fly By'...I just want to say...How has the Dec 21, 2012 date turned into THE END OF THE WORLD?

I have read many of the writings about this...and even the Mayan's did not say...end of the world....I think what will happen is the END of this age! The age of Pisces turns to the age of Aquarius, the era of The Age Of Man!

I think that humanity will "BECOME" the true beings we were meant to be, and become one with the Universe. As long as we do not kill each other by nukes...
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Yes Astronut but can you tell me if at any same point in time an object can be seen as clearly in for example, St. Louis Missouri as it can be seen in for in example, Aukland NZ?
 Quoting: The Dudester

Excuse me, but that was not the question at all. Stop trying to change horses.
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First off I never had a question, I made a comment. Don't you read posts before commenting?
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Let me spell it out for you since you don't seem to get it. The question at hand (whether you phrased your response as a question or not) was whether or not you can see the entire southern celestial sphere from anywhere in the southern hemisphere. You said, and I quote, "Unless you are at the south pole from April to June, you're not going to see it.... if it even exists" For that claim to be true, it must not be possible to see the entire southern celestial sphere from the entire southern hemisphere, in fact some part of it must only be visible from the south pole. That is not true. That's what TBar explained to you and it's the question at hand. Your comment about a northern vs a southern hemisphere location is irrelevant to the question at hand. Your claim is BS, get it?
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I never had a question. I made a comment, there is a difference.

And let me rephrase the question to you which you refuse or can't answer (twice now). I'll even make it easier for you. At any same point in time can an object can be seen as clearly in for example, Caracas Venezuela as it can be seen in for in example, Auckland NZ?
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for the record I emailed donny on his facebook page.
I told him if he fabricated this....I will hunt him down.
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You gave this nutcase your email address?!
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emailed hm on facebook yes.
One must learn that if one deliberatley missleads....there are consequences.

but I still have yet to decide if he did so.
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OK, a word of warning with DG, he does not like debunkers, he has a posse of 'morans' who will attack, threaten and generally make you rlife a misery if you push too far...

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Caution: Take what Donny Gilson says with large grain of Himalayan sea salt...He has been wrong before. And he's a wee bit loopy.

crazy
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Yep he is a wee bit...I do believe he is willing to go where others do not albeit his amateurish style he is mostly looking at all the angles and YES it is hard work following him but his side of the argument must be made...
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Argument? How is pure BS an "argument"?
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I never had a question. I made a comment, there is a difference.
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"Yes Astronut but can you tell me if at any same point in time an object can be seen as clearly in for example, St. Louis Missouri as it can be seen in for in example, Aukland NZ?"
That's a question, which has nothing to do with the question at hand raised by your previous comment. It doesn't matter if you phrased it as a question originally or not. The question is whether or not the entire southern celestial sphere is visible form any given point in the southern hemisphere. Stop changing horses.
And let me rephrase the question to you which you refuse or can't answer (twice now). I'll even make it easier for you. At any same point in time can an object can be seen as clearly in for example, Caracas Venezuela as it can be seen in for in example, Auckland NZ?
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You're still trying to change horses. What can be seen in Venezuela can be seen in Auckland NZ just as well. No, not at the exact same point in time, give it a few hours. If you think that would allow "Nibiru" to hide then you're insane because that's not how things work in astronomy and that's not how objects in space move.
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At any same point in time can an object can be seen as clearly in for example, Caracas Venezuela as it can be seen in for in example, Auckland NZ?
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Re: NEW! 32º of Insanity 05.16.12 : WISE Telescope CONFIRMS Nibiru a Rogue Planet outside of Neptune
I never had a question. I made a comment, there is a difference.
 Quoting: The Dudester

"Yes Astronut but can you tell me if at any same point in time an object can be seen as clearly in for example, St. Louis Missouri as it can be seen in for in example, Aukland NZ?"
That's a question, which has nothing to do with the question at hand raised by your previous comment. It doesn't matter if you phrased it as a question originally or not. The question is whether or not the entire southern celestial sphere is visible form any given point in the southern hemisphere. Stop changing horses.
And let me rephrase the question to you which you refuse or can't answer (twice now). I'll even make it easier for you. At any same point in time can an object can be seen as clearly in for example, Caracas Venezuela as it can be seen in for in example, Auckland NZ?
 Quoting: dude

You're still trying to change horses. What can be seen in Venezuela can be seen in Auckland NZ just as well. No, not at the exact same point in time, give it a few hours. If you think that would allow "Nibiru" to hide then you're insane because that's not how things work in astronomy and that's not how objects in space move.
 Quoting: Astromut


Again you are not answering the question. The question is: CAN A OBJECT BE SEEN AS CLEARLY IN VENEZUALA AS IT CAN BE SEEN IN NEW ZEALAND AT ANY GIVEN POINT IN TIME? In other words, will your physical location on PLANET EARTH affect how you view objects in the sky at any givin point in time?





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