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Iran prepares to sell OIL IN EUROS! Won´t be long now...

 
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Time for another "Flybye"?

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When the M3 indicators are covered up in March, expect gold to rise and the dollar to fall. When inflation really starts to kick in and the housing market bubble bursts, watch the axis of good mount further war actions/distractions in the M.E and else where. Another "9/11 atrocity" by that stage should rally the fear stricken sheep to back the Bush/Blair/Howard axis of good, to mount sanctions and invasions on those who dare to trade their Texas tea in Euros, which would add to further oil based inflationary woes, which would be a direct economic threat to the axis of good´s growth rate(s), if left unpunished. Saddam switching Iraqi oil sales to Euros was why Iraq was roped into 9/11 and the war on terror, and those who dare to follow suit like that will also be roped in, when the next 9/11 atrocity is allowed to occur.....
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good news, and it´s about time, although you must realize the international bankers aren´t foolish, they have planned this well in advance... they fueled the massive debt bubble we are in and will also fuel it´s collapse and america´s fall...
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you can expect the dam to break shortly cause the rest of the gulf arabs are talking about selling for gold backed dinar!!

Hugo chavez will put the boot in at the same time.

reat hudge deficits will be our undoing.

do you know that the money spent on the Iraq war would have paid for all new schools in the usa?
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Its pretty sad how bad the situation is and how much worse its gonna get. But that is what happens when people vote with their pocket book and not their hearts..
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I pulled this up from google last night. A week´s worth of reading at least can be obtained by using the key words "oil euro dollar Iran" in the search.

[snip]

Synopsis

Regardless of whatever choice the U.S. electorate makes in the upcoming Presidential Election a military expedition may still go ahead.

This essay was written out of my own patriotic duty in an effort to inform Americans of the challenges that lie ahead. On November 25, 2004, the issues involving Iran´s nuclear program will be addressed by the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), and possibly referred to the U.N. Security Council if the results are unsatisfactory. Regardless of the IAEA findings, it appears increasingly likely the U.S. will use the specter of nuclear weapon proliferation as a pretext for an intervention, similar to the fears invoked in the previous WMD campaign regarding Iraq.

Pentagon sources confirm the Bush administration could undertake a desperate military strategy to thwart Iran’s nuclear ambitions while simultaneously attempting to prevent the Iranian oil Bourse from initiating a euro-based system for oil trades. The later would require forced "regime change" and the U.S. occupation of Iran. Obviously this would require a military draft. Objectively speaking, the post-war debacle in Iraq has clearly shown that such Imperial policies will be a catastrophic failure. Alternatively, perhaps a more enlightened U.S. administration could undertake multilateral negotiations with the EU and OPEC regarding a dual oil-currency system, in conjunction with global monetary reform. Either way, U.S. policy makers will soon face two difficult choices: monetary compromise or continued petrodollar warfare.

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[link to www.energybulletin.net]
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How timely!

The top Drudge headline this morning:

IRAN ´MONTHS AWAY´ FROM A NUKE

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C´mon guys, this is gettin so "B" movie! Can´t you ad a twist now and then...we´ve worn out the ol´ "Bad guy wit a nuke" plot.

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In the article I posted above, written back in 2003, it stated that a military draft would have to be implemented to invade Iran. This is absolutely the case. Perhaps the US citizen base will wake up when that happens.
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I read an article two years ago that said something about taking Iraq when they threatened to switch oil from dollars to euros. But real men wanted Tehran.
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drudge has gotta be the most despicable scumbag out there
Link to the drudge souce artic
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[link to www.jpost.com]

Dec. 5, 2005 7:16 | Updated Dec. 5, 2005 9:44

El Baradei: Iran only months away from a bomb
By JPOST.COM STAFF

IAEA chairman Muhammad ElBaradei on Monday confirmed Israel´s assessment that Iran is only a few months away from creating an atomic bomb.

If Teheran indeed resumed its uranium enrichment in other plants, as threatened, it will take it only "a few months" to produce a nuclear bomb, El-Baradei told The Independent.

On the other hand, he warned, any attempt to resolve the crisis by non-diplomatic means would "open a Pandora´s box. There would be efforts to isolate Iran; Iran would retaliate; and at the end of the day you have to go back to the negotiating table to find the solution."
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Suckers, what makes em think that the Euroland funney money is any better than good o´l Uncle Sams funney money.
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thats it i am going to demand my pension and social secutrity in euros as well might as well get an early startwtf
life is what you make it and what you think doesnt matter in this world
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"Suckers, what makes em think that the Euroland funney money is any better than good o´l Uncle Sams funney money"

Cause its theirs.A direct hit on usa TPTB.rocket
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50,

Whichever way you cut it, it´s still pieces of paper for something of value.
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Drudge spins and omits facts.

>>"If they start enriching this is a major issue and a serious concern for the international community," he said, suggesting that the plant would take two years to be fully operational and then effectively "a few months away" from nuclear weapons technology.<<

[link to www.irna.ir]

Two years and THEN "a few months away"
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Right now, the price of oil is $60.00. The exchange rate from Dollars to Euros is 1.1766.

So, if oil is sold in Euros, the price will be 50.99 euros. (At any other price, somebody will make a lot of money at Iran´s expense, since oil and currencies are all traded at market prices.)

Since I can easily convert $60 into 50.99 euros, I will still be able to buy a barrel of oil for $60.

So what´s the problem?
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I saw March 2006 as the target date for Iran to make the switch. Strangely close to the date given for nuclear capability.

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interesting die bunker


waiting for china to peg the yuan on euros,,, bye bye USA
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5547 The problem is that it doesn´t involve the destruction of America which is what these drooling retards want. Don´t work to change anything you don´t like just bitch and moan and hope that an asteroid strike or some global collapse happens. And then one day you´ll find, ten years have got behind you, no one told you when to run, you´ve missed the starting gun.
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Right now, the price of oil is $60.00. The exchange rate from Dollars to Euros is 1.1766.

So, if oil is sold in Euros, the price will be 50.99 euros. (At any other price, somebody will make a lot of money at Iran´s expense, since oil and currencies are all traded at market prices.)

Since I can easily convert $60 into 50.99 euros, I will still be able to buy a barrel of oil for $60.

So what´s the problem?
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The problem is for the US (mainly)because those that want to purchase the oil do not need to buy US dollars to get it.
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5547, it´s not just about selling the oil in Euros, it´s about the fact that Iran is setting up their own dedicated oil exchange to do it.

Right now, the world oil markets go through the NYMEX and the IPE exchanges. Both are controlled by US-backed multinational corporations, and both are denominated in US dollars. That means even if other currencies are involved for the actual payment, there are still ultimately US dollars flowing through the system in exchange for the oil being pulled up out of the ground. Given that the US is no longer on the gold standard (since around 1970 I believe), oil is now THE critical physical resource for keeping the US´s fiat currency afloat. The use of US dollars through those two oil exchanges is a large component of that.

If/when Iran sets up its own oil bourse, the denomination in euros isn´t the main problem, but more the fact that US dollars don´t have to be involved in the equation at all. For every day that such an oil exchange exists, the overall US economy would lose billions of dollars every single day.

An Iranian euro-based oil exchange *is* a nuclear weapon: an economic one.
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"An Iranian euro-based oil exchange *is* a nuclear weapon: an economic one."

Good analogy.
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50,

Whichever way you cut it, it´s still pieces of paper for something of value.



Nope.

The US dollar is based on nothing of value - the USA came off the gold standard in 1933 and again in 1973. The US dollar is based on an economy that doesn´t make much anymore (see GM), and which is now outsourcing everything to India (see JP Morgan today - my post) - so we have the US dollar which just represents worthless bits of paper based on HUGE and UNCONTROLLABLE debt.


OTOH the euro is based on a thriving european economy, which makes things and is NOT just a service industry, and which is backed up by OIL.

Any debt does not compare to USA debt obligations. More and more oil nations will switch to the euro and the dollar will collapse even more than it has done already...
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11/29/05

In the year of Allah 1385, a 2,500 year-old Islamic nation will begin pricing its oil in euros. With the launch of the Iranian oil bourse (IOB). Just about everyone on the planet will benefit—except the United States.

Branded by Bush as an “Axis Of Evil” in 2001, Teheran converted more than half of Iran’s Forex Reserve Fund assets from dollars to euros the following year, with dramatic consequences for both currencies—called “products” in inner banking circles—which continued their movement in opposite directions. The MIBs (Men In Banks) were delighted. As Iranian Parliamentarian Mohammad Abasspour explained, the rising parity of the euro against the dollar “will give the Asian countries, particularly oil exporters, a chance to usher in a new chapter in ties with European Union’s member countries.”

Outside an imploding Fortress America, economists fed-up with that nation’s global bullying, and anxious over America’s endless wars are hailing the pre-emptive impact of the Iran oil bourse on the US dollar and economy as more devastating than if Iran launched a “direct nuclear attack.”

But their glee could be short-lived, if Iran’s announced move to a “petroeuro” triggers a long-expected Israeli-American attack. As The Guardian warns, “Even a conventional weapon fired at a nuclear research center—whether or not a bomb was being made there - would almost certainly release radioactivity into the atmosphere, with consequences seen worldwide as a mini-Hiroshima.”

With their recently demonstrated capability to reach Israel, Iran’s modern missiles must be “launched on warning” or risk being destroyed in place. Are they nuclear-tipped? We may soon find out. As al Jazeera warns, “Without some form of U.S. intervention, the euro is going to establish a firm foothold in the international oil trade.”

THE IRAQ EURO WAR
No mullah in Teheran will soon forget the fate of Saddam Hussein, after Iraq’s dictator moved the world’s second biggest oil reserves from the dollar to the euro in November 2000. With the euro reaching record lows as it traded at 82 cents to the dollar—down 30% since its launch the previous year—White House officials collapsed with laughter over Saddam’s seeming ineptitude. “The move will cost Iraq millions in lost revenue,” advised European pundits. “Currency traders say they don’t expect a rebound soon.”

The laughter stopped when the euro zoomed to over $1.05.

In 1997, a report from the James Baker Institute of Public Policy emphasized “the Threat of Iraq and Iran” to the free flow of Middle East oil. When the Bush regime “took” office in 2001, Vice-President Cheney’s Energy Task Force highlighted a follow-up study, which slammed Saddam for using his own euro-dominated export program “to manipulate oil markets.” In response, Cheney stated, “The Gulf will be a primary focus of US international energy policy.”

In January 2003, officials from the White House, State Department, and Department of Defense continued meeting informally with executives from Halliburton, Schlumberger, ExxonMobil, ChevronTexaco and ConocoPhillips to plan the post-war expansion of oil production from Iraq. With proven reserves of 113 billion barrels, the second largest in the world after Saudi Arabia and 11% of the world’s total, Iraq’s “sweet crude” was easy and cheap to extract. At least, if angry Iraqis weren’t blowing up its pipelines every second day.

“Saddam sealed his fate when he decided to switch to the euro in late 2000, and later converted his $10 billion reserve fund at the UN to euros,” William Clark observes in his landmark essay, “The Real Reasons for the Upcoming War With Iraq”—“The reason why the corporate-military-industrial network conglomerate wants a puppet government in Iraq—is so that it will revert back to a dollar standard and stay that way.”

But the Federal Reserve’s greatest nightmare was OPEC following suit and switching its international transactions from a dollar to a euro standard. Once and for all, the fundamentalists in the White House saw that conquering the ruins of Iraq could be an OPEC breaker. They never dreamed their ill-advised invasion could be—like the Soviets in Afghanistan before them—a US breaker.

WHY WORRY?
America’s greatest vulnerability is its own government’s ineptitude—and an economy tied to the dollar’s supremacy as the world’s reserve currency. More than two-thirds of national foreign exchange reserves are currently held in greenbacks.

The assumption by many Americans that the strength of the US dollar rests on their country’s economic output is erroneous, PD Scott continues in his incisive essay, “Oil, Petrodollars, And The Opec Euro Question”. Instead, it’s the $600- to $800 billion “petrodollars” funneled from OPEC every year that is “buying America”—and keeping that insolvent economy afloat.

This ultimate Ponzi scheme—printing US greenbacks virtually for free, and forcing the world to use them to buy non-US oil, so that the proceeds can be used by America to purchase a rising torrent goods from abroad—is brilliant! At least, as long as its heavily armed perpetrator can get away with it. Javad Yarjani, Head of OPEC’s Petroleum Market Analysis Department, ran it down for delegates at a conference in Spain in April 2002:

“Momentum for OPEC to consider switching to the euro will grow once the E.U. expands in May 2004 to 450 million people with the inclusion of 10 additional member states. The aggregate GDP will increase from $7 trillion to $9.6 trillion. This enlarged European Union will be an oil consuming purchasing population 33% larger than the U.S., and over half of OPEC crude oil will be sold to the EU as of mid-2004.”

Then Yarjani dropped a euro-nuke, calmly announcing, “I believe that OPEC will not discount entirely the possibility of adopting euro pricing and payments in the future.”

HEADING FOR THE YANKEE DOLLAR EXITS
In September 2000, after meeting with former US ally Saddam Hussein to discuss how to boost the role of OPEC,” Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez advised OPEC heads of state to avoid using the dollar for many transactions. Chavez’s government had already rocked Washington by established bartering its oil for goods from a dozen Latin American countries, as well as Cuba.

After meeting with key coup figures, the Bush regime was quick to endorse the failed military-led revolt against Hugo Chavez in April 2002. Also that year, China began diversifying its currency reserves away from dollars into euros.

Russia’s Central Bank followed suit, doubling its euro holdings to 20% of its $48 billion foreign exchange reserves. The reason was simple and compelling, argued First Deputy Chairman Oleg Vyugin: “Returns on dollar instruments are very low now. Other currency instruments pay more.”

As an ascendant euro helps propel the dollar down, think “teeter-totter”. Already, the euro accounts for as much as 35% of global trade and reserve holdings.

BAD NEWS FOR BIG BORROWERS
Europe´s money markets and biggest banks welcome a strong euro.

THE GRAY TSUNAMI
Meanwhile, reports USA Today, “The crippling US debt crisis makes its fragile economy mostly dependent on the high demand for its currency in order to remain afloat.”

But thanks to its leadership’s profligate ways, the world’s biggest ailing Super Economy is already in serious trouble—before China consolidates its economic supremacy, and Iran and OPEC are pushed to deliver a decisive dollar shakeup.

“We face a demographic tsunami” that “will never recede,” says analyst David Walker, whose lengthy list of fiscal landmines is “led by the imminent retirement of the baby boomers, whose promised Medicare and Social Security benefits will swamp the federal budget in coming decades.” Calling its financial condition, “worse than advertised,” the nation’s top auditor likens the United States to Rome before its fall.

With Congress about to make Bush’s $1.35 trillion tax cuts for the wealthy permanent, and endless costly wars crowding that country’s horizon, the national debt is set to exceed $11 trillion in 2010, with interest payments to the rest of the world holding all those loans at $561 billion a year—the same as US warmaking expenditures. By 2050, with catastrophic climate change lashing the United States in waves of $62 billion Katrina copycat storms, the $2.6 trillion projected cost of Medicare in 2050 will equal today’s federal budget.

Which, of course, is impossible.

Douglas Holtz-Eakin, director of the Congressional Budget Office, says he is “terrified” about what’s coming for the United States. Isabel Sawhill of the Brookings Institute compares the rapidly heating difference between what the US government spends and takes to a “Category 6 fiscal hurricane.”

SETTING SUNS
Now factor in Iran’s demand that the United States get hosed buying euros with devalued dollars in order to keep its gas-guzzling SUVs and Hummers humming. Next, consider OPEC doing the same…as economist Hazel Henderson notes, if OPEC decides to accept only euros for its oil…"American economic dominance would be over.”

And don’t forget Japan, which owns about 15% of all US Treasury bonds and would have to start selling them in a major banking crisis. As William Clark points out, “A large spike in oil prices could create huge problems for the imperiled Japanese banking system, the world’s largest holder of US dollar reserves.”

BUY IT OR BLOW IT UP
If the USA can’t buy it’s way out of a crisis with yet more borrowing, its default response is simple: blow it up. “Can the US military control by force all oil-producing nations and dictate their oil export transaction currency?” asks William Clark.

Nope. The good news is that the USA can no longer run its huge current account trade deficits to finance open-ended global war.

But will the slipping Superpower try? As Iranian pop music proclaims “the nuclear contribution to Iranian security”, and its leaders make their ritual annual call for the destruction of Israel and its “Great Satan” patron…as plummeting polls and a growing clamor against their failed policies force a beleaguered administration to consider yet another desperate and disastrous distraction… “The conventional wisdom is that for both military and political reasons it would be impossible for Israel and the UK/US to attack” Iran, writes Dan Plesch, author of The Beauty Queen’s Guide to World Peace.

But…

Just 120 US bombers could target 5,000 targets in Iran with wildly imprecise “smart” bombs in a single mission—igniting Shiite populations in Iraq, Saudi Arabia and around the Gulf in a mass uprising that at the very least will curtain oil shipments from that region, causing a worldwide economic meltdown.

Even better for the Armageddon-facilitators currently “occupying” the White House, all of the widely rumored and dispersed Iranian nuclear and biowar facilities would be impossible to tally and “take out”—allowing the country’s Shia Mullah Regime many unpleasant retaliatory options against “all US allies” within range.

Are the fundamentalists in the White House crazy enough to try it? Look at their record so far…

And with the petroeuro about to detonate the dollar, do they have any choice—outside, that is, an overdue dose of humility and international cooperation?

With America’s top auditor facing apoplexy, it might be smart to look to your community’s talents and assets—and start stocking your larder.

Y2K was just for practice.

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thought this article would continue the discussion

what did i do wrong?

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excellent article

top!
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euro is backed partially by GOLD. yeehaa.

and maybe, just maybe, euroland duddn´t have a $8 trillion dolla deficit.
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1812 chorusband
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thought this article would continue the discussion

what did i do wrong?

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What you did wrong was to post a first class article that say´s it all. There is nothing more to be said.
All we can do now is wait for the Shit to hit the fan.






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