The Developing Archetype - No Music Vids

good one michael... messed utp the quote, apologies

Yes I suspect the "pieces" are back where they should be...it has been process that has nearly lead us to ruin many times.
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Knowing is the ultimate Enigma.

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soon after the discovery of electricity it was discovered other effects and their causes, like like newtons gravity, travel faster than light

Charles Wheatstone


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as with newton these discoveries were altered mostly for the reason that our religious belief forbids anything being faster than light other than the creator of light, god


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newton removed his discovery of the medium (dimensions) that exist that express faster than light causes and effects

because accepting our discoveries forces us to reconstruct our belief in god

the politics of god

Last Edited by aether on 06/03/2012 09:15 AM

strangely maybe the conclusion drawn from our christian/occult scientists and philosophers was that we were discovering things it was not our place to discover about god

this opinion persisted in the west but was not shared by russia, an industrial nation of the west whom declared there was no god (communism)

until the conclusion of ww11 russia made little difference to scientific advancement with our industrial nations (usa/uk) keeping advancement within the domain considered our place to advance, the "mechanical" light speed domain

following ww11 it was discovered germany had broken the unwritten rules of keeping within light speed domain and russia recovered the lions share of germany`s discoveries

this prompted the cold war with russia utilizing the german discoveries and usa/uk being in the awkward situation of having an industrial nation of no god belief pushing ahead with research into the faster than light dimensions

usa and the uk resolved this issue with the decision to advance their own research in secrecy, even to their respective legislative congress and parliament

in simple terms the politics of god was considered above the politics of man hence of mankind becoming aware of gods existence in this newly discovered form and knowing is limited to those deemed worthy to know

there exists no legal right to know

Last Edited by aether on 06/03/2012 09:26 AM

Morning SS & OYE

MJ

The Nobody has gained incredible knowledge entirely by accident. He is good at getting spirits to divulge things and then connecting the dots from there. He would be the perfect person to be a prophet, if only the universe weren't resilient enough to turn every truth he speaks into a lie.

basically


ever witnessed the ages through watching a demon try to possess you, fail, and then scour it's memory banks trying to find out how the hell you 'dissapeared' from it's radar'?

i did


at age 17

watched the ages flash by in the memories of something that had been working to subvert them for 1,000's of years

Immutable white to Pitch Black.

Now you know damn well the forumz p[retend the other forumz don't exist.

And that discussion of other forumz is verboten.

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No worries, The phenomena has not seeped far.

ss...

having gone through this thread (took quite a bit of time) i'm left with confusion. i've no idea what "the nobody" is so i'm left unable to follow the thoughts ye've expressed. i'd like to though. can ye tell me what it is so i can follow yer train of thought?

was not aware the nobody had ever attempted to be a profit,,

never seen that anywhere before,, unless the false profits count,,

interesting,,

unless the archytype is a profit by accident,, a sort of proffetic message in itself,, and yet without deliberation,,

yet archytypes posses no ego,,

and false profits are ego,,

interesting indeed,,

much love,,

I'll post a few ideas of what the Nobody is. If you read through the first 10 pages of this thread, you will get an idea. I would not try and go deep into the thread, as it progressively becomes absolutely not on topic...though I believe a person or two thought they were.
Thread: The Illuminati was made a offer they couldn't refuse.

There is a story written in the heavens for all who are ready to step into the eternal.



So how long before the nobody threads are purged???

and the fire flamed.

The Profits are countless in The Secret Heart Chambers!

The Key is a mustard seed.

well that`s an interesting point nobody
an archetype by definition is a non material structure, as we know

a vortice , as example, is a natural archetype (not designed by man)

we may agree it is an effect possessing motive (purpose) and is empowered (caused) by natural causes

so we have motivated causes forming motivated effect (archetype)

to this we do not apply the term ego because , i imagine , we assume nature knows what it is doing

a human designed archetype is a motivated non material structure effect empowered (caused) by human belief (thought)

a thought form

a thought form in it`self can never effect nature because to nature it does not exist, it can and does only effect those people whom are aware of it`s existence and adhere to it`s belief (storyline as believed)

for the nobody concept to work the nobody will possess the memory (knowing) to form their thoughts in language recognizable to natures natural archetypes

therefore the archetype the nobody forms will be unlike all previous belief of what an archetype is because for the first time, for a very long time , the archetype of a man will be structured to force humankind to understand the language which is recognized by nature (environment) in a practical manner

Last Edited by aether on 06/03/2012 06:06 PM

Just get the hint already- if you waNT TO REBEL against the system- just do NOTHING, don't go to work, don't spend money, don't make money, don't go outside, or don't go inside, just FREEZE in the middle of nowhere and offer your time to the names- that you forgot to get and hellos you missed... So... Heyahellohiyaholalohayihollehayeh repeat.

I am unfamiliar with the 'hero archetype' you are referencing.

The only thing that I have intuitively believe is connected resides within TOOL's 10,000 Days.

But, the song's lyrics become a little confusing. Initially I thought both Wings of Marie (part 1) and 10,000 Days (part 2) were both referencing Judith Marie as Maynard's savior.

I have heard through the grapevine (AE knows about this) that Maynard had dreams or altered states where he connected with a persona of Nobody. The song, Third Eye was his recollection of the experience. Again, this may be more difficult to accept if it was a human he connected to, rather than the archetype (perhaps at some point becoming embodied fully into human form).

Anyway, in Wings of Marie, he finally resolves to let his mother, Judith Marie, go. Apparently they ahd a very strained relationship because she was so religious.

"She never told a lie,
... well might have told a lie,
But never lived one.
Didn't have a life,
Didn't have a life,
But surely saved one."
See? I'm alright
Now it's time for us to let you go.

That's the last passage of Wings of Mary (part 1).

Then, TOOL goes into the song 10,000 Days and speaks of a Hero that no one 'knows', but he has had a connection to, as if the Hero brought him a revelation that explained everything, coming full circle and ending with his relationship with his mother, Judith Marie. But, since it is poetic in form, it is difficult to fully disconnect all the parts to decipher when one overlaps another.

He speaks not of Jesus Christ, like his mother would, but of another 'hero' coming.

The beginning of 10,000 days is as follows:

Listen to the tales and romanticize,
How we'd follow the path of the hero.
Boast about the day when the rivers overrun.
How we rise to the height of our halo.

Listen to the tales as we all rationalize
Our way into the arms of the savior,
Feigning all the trials and the tribulations;
None of us have actually been there.
Not like you.

You can see this playing out fully in the Nobody 'Hero', or archetype. We see it over and over and over. Maynard realizes that no one will ever come close to what Hero has gone through, though many will follow the path and 'boast' about their own experiences. And many follow these boasts, listening to them, rationalizing them in our minds, but fully feigning, as the trials and tribs of Hero are beyond what all these boasts could ever describe. None of us have actually been there. Not like you.

Then, further into 10,000 Days, Maynard speaks of the lights going out, and communication with the Hero is lost. Maynard is somehow in contact with the Nobody, or his Hero, and prays that the Hero leaves prior to the suffering of the world, as Maynard knows that the Hero has suffered more than anyone. But, the problem is all those that didn't have time to know what the Hero tried to teach the world.

And this little light of mine, a gift you passed on to me;
I'm gonna let it shine to guide you safely on your way,
Your way home ...

Oh, what are they going to do when the lights go down
Without you to guide them all to Zion?
What are they going to do when the rivers overrun
Other than tremble incessantly?

Again, as we see profusely through anything to do with the Nobody archetype, CATCH 22's abound.

Then comes Maynard's full understanding of what is going to transpire. This makes me cry almost every time I listen to it. Maynard had some type of relationship with the Hero...beyond merely reading words, but had actual revelation found by direct interaction with Hero. Maynard 'sees' what is going to happen.

High is the way, but all eyes are upon the ground.
You were the light and the way they'll only read about.
I only pray, Heaven knows when to lift you out.
Ten thousand days in the fire is long enough;
You're going home.

You're the only one who can hold your head up high,
Shake your fists at the gates saying:
"I've come home now!
Fetch me the spirit, the son, and the father.
Tell them their pillar of faith has ascended.
It's time now!
My time now!
Give me my, give me my wings!"

In the bold part, Maynard tells all of us that this Hero he is speaking of, isn't like any human ever born. Which draws me far, far away from Judith Marie being his hero, as she was susceptible to all the machinations of the religious, which Maynard is very much against...hence their strained relationship.

And Maynard comes to know the power of faith. He sees that his mother had faith in a different concept, but faith is the same thing no matter the concept.

And he comes full circle in understanding what his mother's faith was founded upon...a Hero. So Maynard asks his mother for one last thing, before he lets her go for good...and it is the most unselfish of all requests. Maynard understands what the Hero (our Nobody) is...

Daylight dims leaving cold fluorescents.
Difficult to see you in this light.
Please forgive this bold suggestion, but
Should you see your Maker's face tonight,
Look Him in the eye, look Him in the eye, and tell Him:
"I never lived a lie, never took a life, but surely saved one.
Hallelujah, it's time for you to bring me home."
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Last Edited by Swinging on Spirals on 06/03/2012 06:27 PM

The Archetype is just a recording of a notable individual in each of the life path types to act as a guide for new players and explain what each character pseudo-class is like. The Nobody, or the No-type is the Archetype based on the Game Designer, and it's a hidden option. It's comparable to the supernovice in Ragnarok Online.


Sadly, you won't even realize what I just told you. But some might :).

I think you just intellectually shit the bed.

defining the Nobody is like defining dark matter.

well not really
the game analogy is the nobody archetype (player) is designed to force all players to become his design therefore changing the entire game into a game that did not exist until the last player was reconfigured as him


the clever part is the nobody and the other players play the original game with no player other than the nobody aware that when the last player alters , the game alters into the unimagined by all players game

Well that, and prophecy within a year of the end matters so little it's not worth doing it.... better to do different sorts of things in these times.... like writing forwards, backwards, side-by-side, wrap-around upsi-downsy, two-steps-forwards-one-step-back and have it ALL come out truthful.

1@MD0GM@3@R0G1@5@3R0S@8@3D3N@13

this is where the nobody would influence first

the chosen by merit people whom possess the new information to form the practical description of god for the benefit of humankind as in:
the description that works in material reality when experienced by physical and emotional expression

Uhm... actually.... it LOOKS like an Analogy.... but the only analogy was the Ragnarok Reference.... Like I said... you won't realize it, though some might.

Well, if I told the absolute truth, you'd have a paracerebrohemmorhage resulting from sudden shock to the reality circuit by shortcutting to the TRUTH circuit causing instant liqueification of your processing core from the overload potential of Omg@e||=YsameGamesY.