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OMG! Asteroid discovered May 28 can take out satellites May 29... historic close approach without warning!

 
drlopez13
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05/29/2012 12:52 PM
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do you math right. object movement(tumble), planetary push 9the force of gravity from saturn and jupiter on objects since they are on the same side of the sun. then earth woble since it has changed its axis .7875, which causes devation of the orbit. yet another fireball with a partial water splash down
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Here's a related web site that shows animations:

[link to orbit.psi.edu]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14459915


Wow. Close enough for a "slingshot" affect.

Last Edited by Adventus Domini on 05/29/2012 01:03 PM
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Re: OMG! Asteroid discovered May 28 can take out satellites May 29... historic close approach without warning!
This object DOES have a consistent earthquake history:

Last 5 close approaches to Earth:

1990-11-15 -- 0.187 AU
1990-11-15 -- Magnitude 6.7 INDONESIA
 Quoting: TheTruthWorker

On 11/15/90 it was approximately 0.278 AU away. 11/15 was not the date of close approach for that orbit either. In fact, it wasn't even in the month of November. This according to JPL Horizons which you claimed to have used.
1993-12-29 -- 0.535 AU
1993-12-29 -- Magnitude 7.0 VANUATU
 Quoting: truthworker

On 12/29/93 it was about 0.470 AUs away, and this was once again not the date of close approach according to JPL Horizons. You're about 3 days off this time.
1998-05-22 -- 0.135 AU
1998-05-22 -- Magnitude 6.6 Bolivia
1998-05-23 -- Magnitude 6.7 NICARAGUA
 Quoting: truth

5/22 was not the close approach date (you're two days off this time) and the distance on 5/22 was about 0.175 AU.
2001-08-22 -- 0.359 AU
2001-08-21 -- Magnitude 7.1 New Zealand
 Quoting: truth

8/22 was not the date of close approach, you're about 5 days off this time and the distance on 8/22 was about 0.362 AU, which is at least reasonably close to your number.
2004-11-30 -- 0.049 AU
2004-11-28 -- Magnitude 7.0 Japan
 Quoting: truth

This is the first time the date stated for the close approach is actually correct. If I didn't know better I'd say you were pulling these numbers from a simple 2 body solution which does not account for the perturbing effects of the planets' gravity, but one thing is certain; your numbers are in stark disagreement with JPL Horizons data.
 Quoting: Astromut

1990-11-15 -- 0.187 AU
1993-12-29 -- 0.535 AU
1998-05-22 -- 0.135 AU
2001-08-22 -- 0.359 AU
2004-11-30 -- 0.049 AU

That were exact the data you got when using the JPL Orbit Viewer: Thread: OMG! Asteroid discovered May 28 can take out satellites May 29... historic close approach without warning! (Page 2)

Data from the Horizons?

Honi soit qui mal y pense.


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If the Moon is off, if Earth wobbles or if there is a pole shift
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Re: OMG! Asteroid discovered May 28 can take out satellites May 29... historic close approach without warning!
This object DOES have a consistent earthquake history:

Last 5 close approaches to Earth:

1990-11-15 -- 0.187 AU
1990-11-15 -- Magnitude 6.7 INDONESIA
 Quoting: TheTruthWorker

On 11/15/90 it was approximately 0.278 AU away. 11/15 was not the date of close approach for that orbit either. In fact, it wasn't even in the month of November. This according to JPL Horizons which you claimed to have used.
1993-12-29 -- 0.535 AU
1993-12-29 -- Magnitude 7.0 VANUATU
 Quoting: truthworker

On 12/29/93 it was about 0.470 AUs away, and this was once again not the date of close approach according to JPL Horizons. You're about 3 days off this time.
1998-05-22 -- 0.135 AU
1998-05-22 -- Magnitude 6.6 Bolivia
1998-05-23 -- Magnitude 6.7 NICARAGUA
 Quoting: truth

5/22 was not the close approach date (you're two days off this time) and the distance on 5/22 was about 0.175 AU.
2001-08-22 -- 0.359 AU
2001-08-21 -- Magnitude 7.1 New Zealand
 Quoting: truth

8/22 was not the date of close approach, you're about 5 days off this time and the distance on 8/22 was about 0.362 AU, which is at least reasonably close to your number.
2004-11-30 -- 0.049 AU
2004-11-28 -- Magnitude 7.0 Japan
 Quoting: truth

This is the first time the date stated for the close approach is actually correct. If I didn't know better I'd say you were pulling these numbers from a simple 2 body solution which does not account for the perturbing effects of the planets' gravity, but one thing is certain; your numbers are in stark disagreement with JPL Horizons data.
 Quoting: Astromut

1990-11-15 -- 0.187 AU
1993-12-29 -- 0.535 AU
1998-05-22 -- 0.135 AU
2001-08-22 -- 0.359 AU
2004-11-30 -- 0.049 AU

That were exact the data you got when using the JPL Orbit Viewer: Thread: OMG! Asteroid discovered May 28 can take out satellites May 29... historic close approach without warning! (Page 2)

Data from the Horizons?

Honi soit qui mal y pense.


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 Quoting: Hydra

That would explain it since the java-based orbit viewer on JPL's site is only a two body solution.

"The applet was implemented using 2-body methods, and hence should not be used for determining accurate long-term trajectories (over several years or decades) or planetary encounter circumstances"

JPL's Horizons system is completely different. Not saying the OP was intentionally mis-stating things, but all I knew for sure was that the numbers disagreed with Horizons.
[link to ssd.jpl.nasa.gov]
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Re: OMG! Asteroid discovered May 28 can take out satellites May 29... historic close approach without warning!
Here's a related web site that shows animations:

[link to orbit.psi.edu]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14459915


Wow. Close enough for a "slingshot" affect.
 Quoting: Adventus Domini


"... But one aspect is unusual about 2012 KT42: it experiences not only a flyby, but also an eclipse and a transit during the same flyby. The transit has been already reported elsewhere, and Aldo Vitagliano from Italy has produced a map of the transit, even if the objects is far too small to produce a visible spot on the solar disk. This transit is due to the very small inclination the orbit of the asteroid, only 0.35 degrees. So if you do the math, you can see that the gravity of the Earth is strong enough, and the flyby low enough, that the asteroid crosses the Sun-Earth line not only once, but twice. So I went and checked using my asteroid dynamics simulator, and sure enough I found that the asteroid 2012 KT42 is partially eclipsed by the Earth. This happened on May 28, 2012 between 14:05 UTC and 21:45 UTC, before the flyby. Now, I have looked a bit into eclipses experienced by asteroids while approaching the Earth-Moon system, and I don't recall this ever happening before, so it's a first..." [link to orbit.psi.edu]
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Did it already pass?
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Re: OMG! Asteroid discovered May 28 can take out satellites May 29... historic close approach without warning!
A lot of science jargon and people talking as if they know something.
But they all fail to realise that it did not hit any sats and is passing by.
Now move on
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05/29/2012 04:33 PM
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Did it already pass?
 Quoting: The Chosen One


Yes. me too. Has it passed.

hf
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Where is the worst possible place it could hit?

Space rocks are dangerous.
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Whats happening in California???????hiding

MAP ? 2012/05/29 20:51:48 38.822 -122.802 2.8 NORTHERN CALIFORNIA

[link to earthquake.usgs.gov]
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05/29/2012 06:16 PM
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A lot of science jargon and people talking as if they know something.
But they all fail to realise that it did not hit any sats and is passing by.
Now move on
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5449673


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Did it already pass?
 Quoting: The Chosen One


Yes. me too. Has it passed.

hf
 Quoting: AwakeInTassie


Yes. Passed with no satellites impact reports.
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Whats happening in California???????hiding

MAP ? 2012/05/29 20:51:48 38.822 -122.802 2.8 NORTHERN CALIFORNIA

[link to earthquake.usgs.gov]
 Quoting: AwakeInTassie


That is gone now of USGS. Also saw another "?" report this AM for Northern Cal, which disappeared quickly.
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