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Can a Christian please explain to me how God would send people to hell for being "gullible"??

 
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Can a Christian please explain to me how God would send people to hell for being "gullible"??
First off, this isn't a troll thread. This is just something that I can't wrap my head around and was one of the things that drove me away from christianity. Basically in the bible it says if you worship any other god and don't believe christ died for your sins you go to hell. So you are telling me a loving god would send gullible people who were fooled into believing in a false god/religion to hell to be burned alive and tortured for all of eternity? how the **** can this be considered right or fair? The punishment in no way fits the crime. That's like giving someone the death penalty for driving over the speed limit. I just can't comprehend it.
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lol "Christians" can't "explain" anything. They just make crap up.
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Its something about God being a perfect and forgiving father who sees us all as his children.
You know humans with the imperfections they contain still love the children they have even if they call someone else mommy or daddy.
Would a loving parent sentence a child to eternal damnation for being confused?
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Its something about God being a perfect and forgiving father who sees us all as his children.
You know humans with the imperfections they contain still love the children they have even if they call someone else mommy or daddy.
Would a loving parent sentence a child to eternal damnation for being confused?
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I mean really if a child never gets a visit from a parent someone else becomes the defacto parent.
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And you have all of these religious leaders screaming this is the way to God.
If God doesn't speak up what does he expect?
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Oh I know because the book says this is the way and the book is the word of God. Well what about the other books that are by God?
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First off, this isn't a troll thread. This is just something that I can't wrap my head around and was one of the things that drove me away from christianity. Basically in the bible it says if you worship any other god and don't believe christ died for your sins you go to hell. So you are telling me a loving god would send gullible people who were fooled into believing in a false god/religion to hell to be burned alive and tortured for all of eternity? how the **** can this be considered right or fair? The punishment in no way fits the crime. That's like giving someone the death penalty for driving over the speed limit. I just can't comprehend it.
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Well put. I argue the same thing. It wasn't until i got older that for some reason I questioned this and thought it was totally absurd.

I just can't fathom that if someone picks the wrong faith, or none at all that this could be true.
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First off, this isn't a troll thread. This is just something that I can't wrap my head around and was one of the things that drove me away from christianity. Basically in the bible it says if you worship any other god and don't believe christ died for your sins you go to hell. So you are telling me a loving god would send gullible people who were fooled into believing in a false god/religion to hell to be burned alive and tortured for all of eternity? how the **** can this be considered right or fair? The punishment in no way fits the crime. That's like giving someone the death penalty for driving over the speed limit. I just can't comprehend it.
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Hell is reserved for the rebellious angels, who have been forgiven. Hell has been cleansed, do not worry of these things of the old ways. You would never be sent to punishment for gullibility- for this is as having childlike exuberance and innocence, two of the key traits for being good in the Kingdom.

The only requirement of Faith in Christ is that A) Christ did come in the flesh and B) That he was/is God(Old English word for GOOD), and not Evil

He did also say that should ANY ONE IN HEAVEN look down upon those tortured in Hell and feel compassion for them, that they would immediately be released.

Spend more time studying and look for the secrets within the book. You will find much of what many put forth is not accurate.
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Don't ask them to explain anything. Don't ask anyone who worships a book to explain anything. They will continually contradict their own morals, to justify the morals of a book, which are later contradicted by said book.
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There is no hell and true God doesn't punish. but the law of karma will correct people for Being gullible. Ignorance is the same thing as gullability. It is a choice. You chose to do something other than make yourself smarter and wiser. In one way or another, a price must be paid.
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Don't ask them to explain anything. Don't ask anyone who worships a book to explain anything. They will continually contradict their own morals, to justify the morals of a book, which are later contradicted by said book.
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LOL christians are full of shit.
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Re: Can a Christian please explain to me how God would send people to hell for being "gullible"??
First off, this isn't a troll thread. This is just something that I can't wrap my head around and was one of the things that drove me away from christianity. Basically in the bible it says if you worship any other god and don't believe christ died for your sins you go to hell. So you are telling me a loving god would send gullible people who were fooled into believing in a false god/religion to hell to be burned alive and tortured for all of eternity? how the **** can this be considered right or fair? The punishment in no way fits the crime. That's like giving someone the death penalty for driving over the speed limit. I just can't comprehend it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1894666


Hell is reserved for the rebellious angels, who have been forgiven. Hell has been cleansed, do not worry of these things of the old ways. You would never be sent to punishment for gullibility- for this is as having childlike exuberance and innocence, two of the key traits for being good in the Kingdom.

The only requirement of Faith in Christ is that A) Christ did come in the flesh and B) That he was/is God(Old English word for GOOD), and not Evil

He did also say that should ANY ONE IN HEAVEN look down upon those tortured in Hell and feel compassion for them, that they would immediately be released.

Spend more time studying and look for the secrets within the book. You will find much of what many put forth is not accurate.
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Ok, but that still does not answer the question about people that A) Dont believe in Christ as their Saviour. And B) Dont believe in him as their God. Where will they go based on your theory?
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Re: Can a Christian please explain to me how God would send people to hell for being "gullible"??
First of all........

One must understand that churches in general have bought into the lie that hell is a burning tormenting place where a sadistic God has put all those that spurned Him into an everlasting torture chamber.

HELL AS TAUGHT IN MOST CHURCHES IS A LIE. SO IS THE PURGATORY THAT THE CATHOLIC CHURCH TEACHES AND SO IS THE ENDLESS REINCARNATION THAT THE HINDUs preach.

YES....HELL is REAL

But it is the second death. A place of total execution ! Where the soul, spirit and body is put to death forever.
I'm sure it will be painful.....but only so much as it takes to destroy the person forever.

God isn't sadistic relishing in those who rebel against Him deserving everlasting torment.

The "everlasting" part is just that. When the judgement is passed against the evil-doer.....the punishment is never undone. It is as if the person never was born in terms of any form of consciousness ever again. It isn't a place of constant burning or devouring worms or demons eating on people. Even the devil and demons will be Terminated permanently. They will never come back.

The real torment for the evil doer is the knowing before they go into the lake of fire, that there is nothing for them ever again. That is REAL TORMENT.....more than any lake of fire could bring.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

But getting back to the issue. Hell is real....but misunderstood. Every person is responsible to Creator God for their actions in this world. Those who know more about the nature of God and Jesus Christ are responsible for what they know. But the poor hindu, jewish or muslim who still wants to be God's children can be .....it's a nature of the heart and not the country or religion they were born into.

But those who have been taught false religions often never humble themselves to the Creator. That is why many never have their heart renewed (are never born again into the Kingdom of God). This is true of atheists and those who don't acknowledge God even exists.

You think God would send people to hell if they truely want to know God and realize that they can't earn their way to Heaven ? YOu are crazier than those who believe in an eternal place of torment in hell.

Whom do you worship ?
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There is no hell. Hell and heaven exist side by side on earth. The greatest lie is that Hell and Satan exist only after death.
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In the end ALL will KNOW who God is and who he supports and doesn't. If when his power is shown and you still choose earthly things, that is when you will be no more.

There will be no wondering who is right or wrong you will have a clear choice who to follow.
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First off, this isn't a troll thread. This is just something that I can't wrap my head around and was one of the things that drove me away from christianity. Basically in the bible it says if you worship any other god and don't believe christ died for your sins you go to hell. So you are telling me a loving god would send gullible people who were fooled into believing in a false god/religion to hell to be burned alive and tortured for all of eternity? how the **** can this be considered right or fair? The punishment in no way fits the crime. That's like giving someone the death penalty for driving over the speed limit. I just can't comprehend it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1894666


You have it wrong, first you think hell is eternal torture, God is love and tortures no one. God is also just, and he sent his only son to die for your sins. Hell is the grave or eternal death. The soul that sins it will die, the soul that accepts Jesus is cleansed of all sin and it will live. And nothing shall kill it for Jesus is it's protection. The choice is life eternal or death eternal. You either go back where you were before you were born(remember that time, I don't think you do)or you go into a state of eternal existence. You live or you die, you do not burn forever. Judgement by eternal fire means that you have been eternally judged.
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In the end ALL will KNOW who God is and who he supports and doesn't. If when his power is shown and you still choose earthly things, that is when you will be no more.

There will be no wondering who is right or wrong you will have a clear choice who to follow.
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What superstitious nonsense.
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Re: Can a Christian please explain to me how God would send people to hell for being "gullible"??
First of all........

One must understand that churches in general have bought into the lie that hell is a burning tormenting place where a sadistic God has put all those that spurned Him into an everlasting torture chamber.

HELL AS TAUGHT IN MOST CHURCHES IS A LIE. SO IS THE PURGATORY THAT THE CATHOLIC CHURCH TEACHES AND SO IS THE ENDLESS REINCARNATION THAT THE HINDUs preach.

YES....HELL is REAL

But it is the second death. A place of total execution ! Where the soul, spirit and body is put to death forever.
I'm sure it will be painful.....but only so much as it takes to destroy the person forever.

God isn't sadistic relishing in those who rebel against Him deserving everlasting torment.

The "everlasting" part is just that. When the judgement is passed against the evil-doer.....the punishment is never undone. It is as if the person never was born in terms of any form of consciousness ever again. It isn't a place of constant burning or devouring worms or demons eating on people. Even the devil and demons will be Terminated permanently. They will never come back.

The real torment for the evil doer is the knowing before they go into the lake of fire, that there is nothing for them ever again. That is REAL TORMENT.....more than any lake of fire could bring.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

But getting back to the issue. Hell is real....but misunderstood. Every person is responsible to Creator God for their actions in this world. Those who know more about the nature of God and Jesus Christ are responsible for what they know. But the poor hindu, jewish or muslim who still wants to be God's children can be .....it's a nature of the heart and not the country or religion they were born into.

But those who have been taught false religions often never humble themselves to the Creator. That is why many never have their heart renewed (are never born again into the Kingdom of God). This is true of atheists and those who don't acknowledge God even exists.

You think God would send people to hell if they truely want to know God and realize that they can't earn their way to Heaven ? YOu are crazier than those who believe in an eternal place of torment in hell.

Whom do you worship ?
 Quoting: Dr_Kynes 15004554


bible example of eternal fire judgement.
And don't forget Sodom and Gomorrah and their neighboring towns, which were filled with immorality and every kind of sexual perversion. Those cities were destroyed by fire and serve as a warning of the eternal fire of God's judgment. Jude 1:7
Nothing can survive the eternal fire judgement of God for it is eternal. Those Cities are judged by eternal fire so have ceased to exist.
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I get sick of idiots thinking that God is going to torture some people forever because they may have led a bad life according to his laws, these people teach that God is like Hitler. God has given us all a fair choice, eternal life or eternal death. Eternal life can only be found in Jesus Christ. Eternal death can be found everywhere else.
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Re: Can a Christian please explain to me how God would send people to hell for being "gullible"??
First off, this isn't a troll thread. This is just something that I can't wrap my head around and was one of the things that drove me away from christianity. Basically in the bible it says if you worship any other god and don't believe christ died for your sins you go to hell. So you are telling me a loving god would send gullible people who were fooled into believing in a false god/religion to hell to be burned alive and tortured for all of eternity? how the **** can this be considered right or fair? The punishment in no way fits the crime. That's like giving someone the death penalty for driving over the speed limit. I just can't comprehend it.
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Thats your unconditional love.
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First off, this isn't a troll thread. This is just something that I can't wrap my head around and was one of the things that drove me away from christianity. Basically in the bible it says if you worship any other god and don't believe christ died for your sins you go to hell. So you are telling me a loving god would send gullible people who were fooled into believing in a false god/religion to hell to be burned alive and tortured for all of eternity? how the **** can this be considered right or fair? The punishment in no way fits the crime. That's like giving someone the death penalty for driving over the speed limit. I just can't comprehend it.
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Thats your unconditional love.
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Through my own studies and interpretation of the Bible I have never found where it says individuals must have unconditional love.
In fact it seems to be very conditional in that you have to be obeying God's law in order to be found favorable.
Forgiveness is given freely but you must turn back from badness and repent.
God showed us great love by giving us his son Jesus as a sacrifice for our sins, but we still have free will and must choose the narrow path that leads to life.
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Re: Can a Christian please explain to me how God would send people to hell for being "gullible"??
You do realize the bible has gone through extensive changes, not only since the first Council of Nicea?

Why don't you worship the core values of Jesus Christ, the only true King of men instead and not worry about the contents of religious books that were written by the victors who had an stake in how people would perceive them (power and control?)

Anyone with half a brain can see that the bible preaches some very anti-christ things and that only should be a tip-off.
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you don't go to hell for being gullable you go there because of your pride
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Re: Can a Christian please explain to me how God would send people to hell for being "gullible"??
Its a veiled attack on God not the so called christian and christianity is the vessel or the weapon being used.

First God does not send people to hell, if people end up there its through their own hard work.

Second, its an arrogant premise that reeks of the superiority of man over all things. At least man wishes this but its not real.

Its the gullible or meek that shall inherit the earth. The strong and the wrong will well simply die. Man is evil, no matter how much we brush ourselves up we are evil each and every one of us. Man is not inherently good, we are inately horribly bad.
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Where the soul, spirit and body is put to death forever.
I'm sure it will be painful.....but only so much as it takes to destroy the person forever.
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Annihilation is big a step up from Endless Torture, but it remains an unsatisfactory outcome for Love :)
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christians are seriously fucked up in their beliefs some are nice but......
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God wants smart people in heaven, not dumbasses
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Re: Can a Christian please explain to me how God would send people to hell for being "gullible"??
First of all........

One must understand that churches in general have bought into the lie that hell is a burning tormenting place where a sadistic God has put all those that spurned Him into an everlasting torture chamber.

HELL AS TAUGHT IN MOST CHURCHES IS A LIE. SO IS THE PURGATORY THAT THE CATHOLIC CHURCH TEACHES AND SO IS THE ENDLESS REINCARNATION THAT THE HINDUs preach.

YES....HELL is REAL

But it is the second death. A place of total execution ! Where the soul, spirit and body is put to death forever.
I'm sure it will be painful.....but only so much as it takes to destroy the person forever.

God isn't sadistic relishing in those who rebel against Him deserving everlasting torment.

The "everlasting" part is just that. When the judgement is passed against the evil-doer.....the punishment is never undone. It is as if the person never was born in terms of any form of consciousness ever again. It isn't a place of constant burning or devouring worms or demons eating on people. Even the devil and demons will be Terminated permanently. They will never come back.

The real torment for the evil doer is the knowing before they go into the lake of fire, that there is nothing for them ever again. That is REAL TORMENT.....more than any lake of fire could bring.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

But getting back to the issue. Hell is real....but misunderstood. Every person is responsible to Creator God for their actions in this world. Those who know more about the nature of God and Jesus Christ are responsible for what they know. But the poor hindu, jewish or muslim who still wants to be God's children can be .....it's a nature of the heart and not the country or religion they were born into.

But those who have been taught false religions often never humble themselves to the Creator. That is why many never have their heart renewed (are never born again into the Kingdom of God). This is true of atheists and those who don't acknowledge God even exists.

You think God would send people to hell if they truely want to know God and realize that they can't earn their way to Heaven ? YOu are crazier than those who believe in an eternal place of torment in hell.

Whom do you worship ?
 Quoting: Dr_Kynes 15004554


bible example of eternal fire judgement.
And don't forget Sodom and Gomorrah and their neighboring towns, which were filled with immorality and every kind of sexual perversion. Those cities were destroyed by fire and serve as a warning of the eternal fire of God's judgment. Jude 1:7
Nothing can survive the eternal fire judgement of God for it is eternal. Those Cities are judged by eternal fire so have ceased to exist.
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If you go back to the passage about sodom and gomorrah, it describes what seems be a nuclear attack. Good cover up though just say "god did it"
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Re: Can a Christian please explain to me how God would send people to hell for being "gullible"??
First off, this isn't a troll thread. This is just something that I can't wrap my head around and was one of the things that drove me away from christianity. Basically in the bible it says if you worship any other god and don't believe christ died for your sins you go to hell. So you are telling me a loving god would send gullible people who were fooled into believing in a false god/religion to hell to be burned alive and tortured for all of eternity? how the **** can this be considered right or fair? The punishment in no way fits the crime. That's like giving someone the death penalty for driving over the speed limit. I just can't comprehend it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1894666


Hell is reserved for the rebellious angels, who have been forgiven. Hell has been cleansed, do not worry of these things of the old ways. You would never be sent to punishment for gullibility- for this is as having childlike exuberance and innocence, two of the key traits for being good in the Kingdom.

The only requirement of Faith in Christ is that A) Christ did come in the flesh and B) That he was/is God(Old English word for GOOD), and not Evil

He did also say that should ANY ONE IN HEAVEN look down upon those tortured in Hell and feel compassion for them, that they would immediately be released.

Spend more time studying and look for the secrets within the book. You will find much of what many put forth is not accurate.
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Ok, but that still does not answer the question about people that A) Dont believe in Christ as their Saviour. And B) Dont believe in him as their God. Where will they go based on your theory?
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Read the book, it specifically says that you have to believe he DID exist in the flesh as a real person- not as a spirit or hologram, untouchable, but flesh, mortal, woundable. Not necessarily that he is a savior, though he is, that's not a requirement. Second, Jesus says "God alone is GOOD" the word "GOD" does not derive from a word for deity, but literally from Yodh, or "Hand"- as the hand which points the way or guides.

The requirement is that you believe A) he was here as a mortal and B) he was GOOD, and not evil.

So those who don't believe or have accepted him as savior, no problem. Those who don't believe he was deity may actually be closer than the overzealous fluffer-uppers who misunderstood what praise and glorification meant. So according to that, no hell for them :).
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