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Can a Christian please explain to me how God would send people to hell for being "gullible"??

 
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Mathew 25:31 - 46:


" When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the holy angels with Him, then He will sit on the throne of His glory. All the nations will be gathered before Him, and He will seperate them one from another, as a shepard divides his sheep from the goats. And he will set the sheep on His right hand, but the goats on the left. Then the King will say to those on His right hand, 'Come, you blessed of My Father,inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: for I was hungry and you gave Me food; I was thirsty and you gave Me drink; I was a stranger and you took Me in; I was naked and you clothed Me.
Then the righteous will answer Him, saying, ' Lord, when did we see You hungry and feed You, or thirsty and give You drink? When did we see You a stranger and take You in, or naked and clothe You? Or when did we see You sick, or in prison and come to You? And the King will answer and say to them, ' Assuredly, I say to you, inasmuch as you did it to one of the least of these My brethren, you did it to me.
" Then He will will say to those on the left hand, ' Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire PREPARED FOR THE DEVIL AND HIS ANGELS: for I was hungry and you gave Me no food; I was thirsty and you gave Me no drink; I was a stranger and youu did not take Me in, naked and you did not clothe Me, sick and in prison and you did not visit Me.'
Then they will also answer Him, saying, ' Lord when did we see You hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison and did not minister to You?' And then He will answer them, saying, ' Assuredly, I will say to you, inasmuch as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to Me.' AND THESE WILL GO AWAY INTO EVERLASTING PUNISHMENT, but the righteous into ETERNAL LIFE."



The point here that it is the DOERS of the Word and not those who just go to church as hearers that will enter eternal life.

The wicked experience eternal punishment not punishing. The only thing that is everlasting is the fire. It has to be in order to burn the Beast and the false Prophet in, where also the Devil/Satan and Death are.
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Vital messages from afterlife intelligences transmitted in different countries to us humans on this earth in the last few decades REPEATEDLY inform us that, (succinctly put):

• All humans survive physical death, irrespective of their beliefs.

• At the point of death we take our mind with all its experiences, our character and our etheric (spirit) body – which is a duplicate of the earth body. It comes out of the earth body on the point of death and is connected to the earth body by a silver chord. Death occurs when the silver cord is severed from the physical body. In the afterlife the etheric body and our surroundings will be just as solid as our world seems to us now.

• There is no such thing as heaven “up in the sky” or hell “down below”: the location of the afterlife does not change from the earth plane. Just as there are different radio frequencies within the same room different worlds or “spheres” or “planes” inter-penetrate – from the highest vibrations to the lowest.

• There are different levels or “spheres” in the afterlife – from the lowest vibrations to the highest. On physical death we go to the sphere which can accommodate the vibrations we accumulated throughout our life on earth. Simplistically put, most ordinary people are likely to go to the “third” sphere – some people call it the “Summerland.” The higher the vibrations, the better the conditions – this will take us to the higher spheres. We are informed that the higher spheres are too beautiful to even imagine. For those with very, very low vibrations, very serious problems do exist.

• Hell for eternity and eternal damnation were invented by men to manipulate the hearts and the minds of the unaware – they do NOT exist. Whilst there ARE lower spheres in the afterlife that are particularly dark, unpleasant and even horrific – some call them “hell” – ending down there is NOT for eternity. There is always help available for any soul willing to learn the lessons of kindness and unselfishness.

• Once you are freed from the body and enter the afterlife, you will experience a feeling of enormous lightness. Some communicators liken it to taking off a heavy divers’ suit.

• The state of mind at the point of death is crucial. Some pass over consciously and are fully aware of the loved ones who come to welcome the new arrival; others are unconscious and are taken to a special place of rest.• In the areas nearest to our world, the mind creates reality. So those who expect to find nothing may well stay in a deep sleep.

• Those people who have been ill for some time may need to be helped to change their mental picture of themselves and create with their minds a healthy etheric body. “Hospitals” exist for this purpose.• Ordinary reasonable people are met by their loved ones – soul-mates are reunited. Higher Intelligences inform us that in the afterlife our appearance can regress to our best age – for most people, from the early to mid twenties.

• Atheists, agnostics and others may not be encumbered from passing on to the higher spheres – what they did in their lifetime and the motivation for what they did will be important, not what they believed in.

• Not participating in religious rituals, e.g. baptism and confessions, and non-belief in creeds and dogmas does NOT encumber anyone from attaining higher spirituality and the higher afterlife spheres.

• Soon after crossing over you will experience a life-review. In your life review you will experience all of your thoughts, words and deeds and effects they had on others. No-body judges you. You judge yourself by comparing the reality of your life and the effects it had on others with what you set out to do.

• Loved ones from the afterlife, recently arrived and others, do have the power to visit loved ones still living on earth and some of them may even become their “guides”.

• In the afterlife communicating is done by telepathy. Communicating from and to the earthplane with those in the afterlife can be (and is being) done by telepathy.

• Recently arrived loved ones, usually within three months of transition, are permitted to transmit visually – by way of dreams or by apparition and other means – evidence that they are still alive. Many choose to attend their own funerals.• Any physical disabilities people had on earth will disappear. Once they have adjusted mentally there will be no such thing as deformity, sickness, blindness or any other thing that adversely affected them on earth.

• The mind has enormous power in the afterlife. It can create matter there and can cause the body to travel at the speed of thought, e.g. you imagine you are at any place in the world and you are there instantly. • Some people on earth have a much better transition to the afterlife than others. The more knowledge we have about the afterlife, the easier the transition. It also helps if you are able to control your mind, think positively and concentrate on one thing at a time.

• Some people get stuck “between the two worlds.” Because they still feel themselves solid, they do not accept that they have actually died. Some are afraid of going to the light. Many get into mental confusion and could get lost for decades and even for thousands of years.

• In the afterlife, there is no need to eat or drink or go to sleep. There is no night-time, no rain or bad weather. All is light.

• You will have the opportunity to mix with others of the same vibrations and join with them in co-operative endeavors.

• You will usually find yourself in a house, often the exact replica of a favorite house from your life. Of if you have a clear mental picture of the house you have always wanted and you have earned it, you can create it.

• All animals also survive death. You can expect to be reunited with loved pets who are usually cared for by someone close to you until you arrive. Undomesticated animals continue to exist in their own spheres.
• You can continue to pursue your favorite interests. You can continue to read, enjoy art, music, attend concerts or play sports. Or you can do gardening.

• One can still learn spiritual lessons in the afterlife and progress to higher, even more beautiful spheres.

• You also will have the opportunity to go to the Halls of Learning, and continue to do spiritual work – helping those crossing over or helping others less informed. You may like to do rescue work – informing those lost in the darker realms and who qualify to be in the sphere of the light to come up towards the light. You can be creative in how you spend your time.

• Ultimately, there will come a time when you have to increase your vibrations by increased spirituality to continue to spiritually refine and graduate to a higher realm where circumstances would be much more beautiful and better than the one you were in before.

• This “transition” to the next sphere happens gradually and naturally. You find yourself going into a deep sleep and awaken on the next level.• In the higher spheres, you will be able to recall and see any event in any period of your existence three dimensionally.

• Love, unconditional love, is the most powerful force known in the universe. It is the link with our loved ones in the afterlife.

• No one judges you or condemns you to the lower spheres. You condemn yourself to the lower horrific spheres (“hell”) by the low vibrations (low spirituality) you acquired during life on earth. • Those who were consistently evil are, on their transition, either left alone or are met by those others of the same very low vibrations and with the same very low spirituality. They are naturally attracted to the darker lower spheres. • However the universal Law of Progress ensures that at some time in the future those with lower vibrations will eventually, even if it takes eons of time – centuries or even thousands of years – obtain higher vibrations and graduate to the higher spheres.

• Selfishness is one of the greatest transgressions against spirituality and is highly karmic.

• Energy – positive or negative – is a “boomerang.” When you send out good energy towards someone, that good energy is returned sooner or later. If you send out negative energy by unfairly being dishonest against someone, or by cheating, lying, harassing, discrediting or causing harm to someone, that kind of negative energy will inevitably return to you.

• “You will reap what you sow” – the Law of Cause and Effect - is the recognized universal spiritual law. Karma means you will not get away with it. All negative deeds against others have to be experienced for the purpose of “continuous spiritual refinement.”

• Selfishness, abuse of power and systematic harassment of others are two of the most karmic actions. Horrific karma awaits those whose task it was to protect society but themselves willfully abused their power, indulged in willful transgressions and caused harm and injury to others.

• You will NOT be excused for your evil behavior by claiming that you were just obeying orders.

• Cruelty – mental or physical against humans or animals – is highly karmic and is never justified.

• Those who consistently abused and harassed others will have to face their victims in the afterlife to ask for forgiveness. After the severest retribution, the transgressors will have to apologize and seek forgiveness by the victims before they are allowed to make any progress.

• Those who on earth are deeply caught in very strong addictions – drugs, alcohol, gambling, tobacco, or overindulgence in sex – can get caught on the astral level trying to satisfy them.

• A WARNING: Some hallucinogenic drugs have the potency to lift the duplicate out of the physical body. Seen by entities from the afterlife, drug takers “... have pathetic looks as if they had no soul ... they are vacant behind the eyes. When out of the body, other lower entities try to enter the drug-taker's body – then you have possession.”

• Deathbed conversion? We have been and we are repeatedly being informed by Higher Sources that immediately after we die our vibrations do not change – not even if one repents shortly before death. We take with us the accumulated vibrations (spirituality) we gained or lost during our whole lifetime on earth. Baptism as repentance is absolutely meaningless as a way of getting “a better deal” immediately after death.

• If you helped just one person to attain the true knowledge you would have justified your existence on earth – Silver Birch.

• You do not come into this world to have a dream run – without pain, suffering, without problems. The more varied your experience, the more learning from many mistakes, the more valuable your lifetime.

• Many of you will be cheated, maligned, unfairly harassed ... but justice will be done... not in your world, maybe, but certainly in the world to come. The universal laws operate whether or not you are aware of them.

• There are some inherent dangers in communicating with entities from the afterlife. Those from the afterlife can sometimes read our minds and can put thoughts and ideas into our minds. Lower, mischievous entities can put negative thoughts and ideas and the positive more enlightened entities assist us with positive thoughts and ideas. A great deal is left to the exercise of free will.

• We are at liberty to call the powerful protectors from the afterlife to assist us in coping with our everyday problems, but they will not make decisions for us.

• Materialists and others spend too much time worrying about their last ten or twenty years on earth and do not spend a tiny fraction of their time thinking what's going to happen to them in the next ten, twenty thousand years, fifty thousand years ... and much, very much longer.

• What will happen to a person who suicides will depend on a number of things. Motivation is always very important. For example, there will be a big difference if one commits suicide because of inevitable death and one who suicides to avoid responsibilities. Those who take their own lives to avoid problems and responsibilities are likely to increase their problems and responsibilities in the afterlife.

• Consistent with the Law of Progress, eventually, even if it takes eons of time, all will progress to the higher spheres.

• Like attracts like in the afterlife. Unlike on the earth plane, those with lower vibrations cannot mix freely with those in the higher spheres.

• Self-responsibility – ultimately, you yourself are responsible for all acts and omissions during your time on the earth plane.

• The kind of life to be lived in the afterlife – the beauty, peace, light and love that await most decent people – is unimaginable.
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Re: Can a Christian please explain to me how God would send people to hell for being "gullible"??
Mathew 25:31 - 46:


" When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the holy angels with Him, then He will sit on the throne of His glory. All the nations will be gathered before Him, and He will seperate them one from another, as a shepard divides his sheep from the goats. And he will set the sheep on His right hand, but the goats on the left. Then the King will say to those on His right hand, 'Come, you blessed of My Father,inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: for I was hungry and you gave Me food; I was thirsty and you gave Me drink; I was a stranger and you took Me in; I was naked and you clothed Me.
Then the righteous will answer Him, saying, ' Lord, when did we see You hungry and feed You, or thirsty and give You drink? When did we see You a stranger and take You in, or naked and clothe You? Or when did we see You sick, or in prison and come to You? And the King will answer and say to them, ' Assuredly, I say to you, inasmuch as you did it to one of the least of these My brethren, you did it to me.
" Then He will will say to those on the left hand, ' Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire PREPARED FOR THE DEVIL AND HIS ANGELS: for I was hungry and you gave Me no food; I was thirsty and you gave Me no drink; I was a stranger and youu did not take Me in, naked and you did not clothe Me, sick and in prison and you did not visit Me.'
Then they will also answer Him, saying, ' Lord when did we see You hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison and did not minister to You?' And then He will answer them, saying, ' Assuredly, I will say to you, inasmuch as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to Me.' AND THESE WILL GO AWAY INTO EVERLASTING PUNISHMENT, but the righteous into ETERNAL LIFE."



The point here that it is the DOERS of the Word and not those who just go to church as hearers that will enter eternal life.

The wicked experience eternal punishment not punishing. The only thing that is everlasting is the fire. It has to be in order to burn the Beast and the false Prophet in, where also the Devil/Satan and Death are.
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Kinda sound like Enlil,Enki and the council of the Gods. When Enki asks what the fuck happened? You did what because we were gone? Didnt we TELL YOU dumbasses we will be back?
Then the will get pissed off and blam there you have it. Just saying just saying thats all just saying
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Re: Can a Christian please explain to me how God would send people to hell for being "gullible"??
A few contradictions:

Matthew 21:12-18 (temple before passing fig tree) Mark 11:12-15 (temple After passing fig tree)

9 Mark 15:25 (crucified by third hour) John 19:14 (not crucified by sixth hour)

10 Matthew 27:32, Luke 23:26, Mark 15:21 (Simon carries the cross) John 19:17 (Jesus carries the cross)

11 Mark 15:23 (gave wine with myrrh to drink) Matthew27:34 (Gave vinegar with gall to drink)

12 Matthew 1:16 (Jesus son of Joseph son of Jacob) Luke 3:23 (Jesus son of Joseph son of Heli)

13 1 Corinthians 15:5 (Jesus seen by twelve) Matthew 28:16 (Jesus seen by eleven)

I am putting these here to prove that man wrote and changed scripture so I know he also chose to put words from their own pen what ever they wanted and that includes sending so called unbelievers to hell.
The bible has a lot of verses that are not the same as others but talk about the same thing!

Here is a quote from a true book,, [link to www.scribd.com]

After the life review was over, the Being of Light gave me the opportunity to forgive everyone who had ever crossed me. That meant that I was able to shake the hatred that I had built up against manypeople. I didn't want to forgive many of these people because I felt that the things they had done to me were unforgivable. They had hurt me in business and in my personal life and made me feel nothing for them but anger and disdain. But the Being of Light told me I had to forgive them. If I didn't, he let me know, I would be stuck at the spiritual level that I now occupied. Not in Hell!!
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Re: Can a Christian please explain to me how God would send people to hell for being "gullible"??
Hell is not in the Bible. Eternal punishment is not in the Bible. Punishment is better translated refinement.

Stop propagating the byzantine lie of hell. Jesus taught from the Torah. Hell is not in the Torah.

Discussion over. You can stop being scared of God and start loving Him/Her.
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First off, this isn't a troll thread. This is just something that I can't wrap my head around and was one of the things that drove me away from christianity. Basically in the bible it says if you worship any other god and don't believe christ died for your sins you go to hell. So you are telling me a loving god would send gullible people who were fooled into believing in a false god/religion to hell to be burned alive and tortured for all of eternity? how the **** can this be considered right or fair? The punishment in no way fits the crime. That's like giving someone the death penalty for driving over the speed limit. I just can't comprehend it.
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Ezechiel (Ezeckiel) 33:11
Say to them: As I live, saith the Lord God, I desire not the death of the wicked, but that the wicked turn from his way, and live. Turn ye, turn ye from your evil ways: and why will you die,




Numbers 31:16
Are not these they, that deceived the children of Israel by the counsel of Balaam, and made you transgress against the Lord by the sin of Phogor, for which also the people was punished?


Deuteronomy 4:16
Lest perhaps being deceived you might make you a graven similitude, or image of male or female,


Deuteronomy 4:19
Lest perhaps lifting up thy eyes to heaven, thou see the sun and the moon, and all the stars of heaven, and being deceived by error thou adore and serve them, which the Lord thy God created for the service of all the nations, that are under heaven.


Deuteronomy 4:25
If you shall beget sons and grandsons, and abide in the land, and being deceived, make to yourselves any similitude, committing evil before the Lord your God, to provoke him to wrath:


Deuteronomy 11:16
Beware lest perhaps your heart be deceived, and you depart from the Lord, and serve strange gods, and adore them:


Deuteronomy 30:17
But if thy heart be turned away, so that thou wilt not hear, and being deceived with error thou adore strange gods, and serve them:



Psalms 80: [2] Rejoice to God our helper: sing aloud to the God of Jacob. [3] Take a psalm, and bring hither the timbrel: the pleasant psaltery with the harp. [4] Blow up the trumpet on the new moon, on the noted day of your solemnity. [5] For it is a commandment in Israel, and a judgment to the God of Jacob.


[6] He ordained it for a testimony in Joseph, when he came out of the land of Egypt: he heard a tongue which he knew not. [7] He removed his back from the burdens: his hands had served in baskets. [8] Thou calledst upon me in affliction, and I delivered thee: I heard thee in the secret place of tempest: I proved thee at the waters of contradiction.

[9] Hear, O my people, and I will testify to thee: O Israel, if thou wilt hearken to me,

[10] There shall be no new god in thee: neither shalt thou adore a strange god.


[11] For I am the Lord thy God, who brought thee out of the land of Egypt: open thy mouth wide, and I will fill it.

[12] But my people heard not my voice: and Israel hearkened not to me.

[13] So I let them go according to the desires of their heart: they shall walk in their own inventions.

[14] If my people had heard me: if Israel had walked in my ways:

[15] I should soon have humbled their enemies, and laid my hand on them that troubled them.

[16] The enemies of the Lord have lied to him: and their time shall be for ever. [17] And he fed them with the fat of wheat, and filled them with honey out of the rock.

You never know.

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1 Chronicles 16:22 Touch not my anointed: and do no evil to my prophets.
Colossians 2:[21] Touch not, taste not, handle not:

Thread: Thus saith the LORD: Behold I set before you the way of life, and the way of death.

Thread: Jesus began to preach, and to say: Do penance, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.


Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus

Thread: Hell is real and most people are just a breath away from it. Ignorance is no excuse.

3 Kings (1 Kings) 18: [15] And Elias said: As the Lord of hosts liveth, before whose face I stand, this day.

Amos 3:7 For the Lord God doth nothing without revealing his secret to his servants the prophets.

BEHOLD! THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN IS AT HAND!

Matthew 10: [34] Do not think that I came to send peace upon earth: I came not to send peace, but the sword.


Jeremias (Jeremiah) 25: [27] And thou shalt say to them: Thus saith the Lord of hosts the God of Israel: Drink ye, and be drunken, and vomit: and fall, and rise no more, because of the sword, which I shall send among you.
[28] And if they refuse to take the cup at thy hand to drink, thou shalt say to them: Thus saith the Lord of hosts: Drinking you shall drink:

Jeremias (Jeremiah) 22:[29] O earth, earth, earth, hear the word of the Lord.

Ezechiel (Ezeckiel) 39: [8] Behold it cometh, and it is done, saith the Lord God: this is the day whereof I have spoken.

2 Corinthians 11:31
The God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who is blessed for ever, knoweth that I lie not.

Matthew 26:[46] Rise, let us go: behold he is at hand that will betray me.[47] As he yet spoke, behold Judas, one of
the twelve, came.

Aggeus (Haggai) 2: [7] For thus saith the Lord of hosts: Yet one little while, and I will move the heaven and the earth, and the sea, and the dry land.

(Isaiah) 24:[3] With desolation shall the earth be laid waste, and it shall be utterly spoiled: for the Lord hath spoken this word.

Zacharias (Zachariah) 13:7
Awake, O sword, against my shepherd, and against the man that cleaveth to me, saith the Lord of hosts: strike the shepherd, and the sheep shall be scattered:

Ezechiel (Ezeckiel) 18:32
For I desire not the death of him that dieth, saith the Lord God, return ye and live.
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First off, this isn't a troll thread. This is just something that I can't wrap my head around and was one of the things that drove me away from christianity. Basically in the bible it says if you worship any other god and don't believe christ died for your sins you go to hell. So you are telling me a loving god would send gullible people who were fooled into believing in a false god/religion to hell to be burned alive and tortured for all of eternity? how the **** can this be considered right or fair? The punishment in no way fits the crime. That's like giving someone the death penalty for driving over the speed limit. I just can't comprehend it.
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Hell is reserved for the rebellious angels, who have been forgiven. Hell has been cleansed, do not worry of these things of the old ways. You would never be sent to punishment for gullibility- for this is as having childlike exuberance and innocence, two of the key traits for being good in the Kingdom.

The only requirement of Faith in Christ is that A) Christ did come in the flesh and B) That he was/is God(Old English word for GOOD), and not Evil

He did also say that should ANY ONE IN HEAVEN look down upon those tortured in Hell and feel compassion for them, that they would immediately be released.

Spend more time studying and look for the secrets within the book. You will find much of what many put forth is not accurate.
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2 Peter 2:[1] But there were also false prophets among the people, even as there shall be among you lying teachers, who shall bring in sects of perdition, and deny the Lord who bought them: bringing upon themselves swift destruction. [2] And many shall follow their riotousnesses, through whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of. [3] And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you. Whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their perdition slumbereth not.


Matthew 7: [18] A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can an evil tree bring forth good fruit. [19] Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit, shall be cut down, and shall be cast into the fire. [20] Wherefore by their fruits you shall know them.

[21] Not every one that saith to me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven: but he that doth the will of my Father who is in heaven, he shall enter into the kingdom of heaven. [22] Many will say to me in that day: Lord, Lord, have not we prophesied in thy name, and cast out devils in thy name, and done many miracles in thy name? [23] And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, you that work iniquity.

[24] Every one therefore that heareth these my words, and doth them, shall be likened to a wise man that built his house upon a rock, [25] And the rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and they beat upon that house, and it fell not, for it was founded on a rock.

[26] And every one that heareth these my words, and doth them not, shall be like a foolish man that built his house upon the sand, [27] And the rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and they beat upon that house, and it fell, and great was the fall thereof.


Matthew 16:18
And I say to thee: That thou art Peter; and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

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John 20:[21] He said therefore to them again: Peace be to you. As the Father hath sent me, I also send you. [22] When he had said this, he breathed on them; and he said to them: Receive ye the Holy Ghost. [23] Whose sins you shall forgive, they are forgiven them; and whose sins you shall retain, they are retained.


Luke 5:21
And the scribes and Pharisees began to think, saying: Who is this who speaketh blasphemies? Who can forgive sins, but God alone?


John 8:24
Therefore I said to you, that you shall die in your sins. For if you believe not that I am he, you shall die in your sin.

Matthew 9:6
But that you may know that the Son of man hath power on earth to forgive sins, (then said he to the man sick of palsy,) Arise, take up thy bed, and go into thy house.


Mark 2:10
But that you may know that the Son of man hath power on earth to forgive sins, (he saith to the sick of the palsy,)


Luke 5:24
But that you may know that the Son of man hath power on earth to forgive sins, (he saith to the sick of the palsy,) I say to thee, Arise, take up thy bed, and go into thy house.


1 John 1:9
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just, to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all iniquity.




Psalms 26:6
He hath exalted me upon a rock: and now he hath lifted up my head above my enemies. I have gone round, and have offered up in his tabernacle a sacrifice of jubilation: I will sing, and recite a psalm to the Lord.

Mark 9: [37] John answered him, saying: Master, we saw one casting out devils in thy name, who followeth not us, and we forbade him. [38] But Jesus said: Do not forbid him. For there is no man that doth a miracle in my name, and can soon speak ill of me. [39] For he that is not against you, is for you.


Luke 9: [49] And John, answering, said: Master, we saw a certain man casting out devils in thy name, and we forbade him, because he followeth not with us. [50] And Jesus said to him: Forbid him not; for he that is not against you, is for you.


John 10: [14] I am the good shepherd; and I know mine, and mine know me. [15] As the Father knoweth me, and I know the Father: and I lay down my life for my sheep.

[16] And other sheep I have, that are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice, and there shall be one fold and one shepherd.



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Colossians 2:[21] Touch not, taste not, handle not:

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3 Kings (1 Kings) 18: [15] And Elias said: As the Lord of hosts liveth, before whose face I stand, this day.

Amos 3:7 For the Lord God doth nothing without revealing his secret to his servants the prophets.

BEHOLD! THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN IS AT HAND!

Matthew 10: [34] Do not think that I came to send peace upon earth: I came not to send peace, but the sword.


Jeremias (Jeremiah) 25: [27] And thou shalt say to them: Thus saith the Lord of hosts the God of Israel: Drink ye, and be drunken, and vomit: and fall, and rise no more, because of the sword, which I shall send among you.
[28] And if they refuse to take the cup at thy hand to drink, thou shalt say to them: Thus saith the Lord of hosts: Drinking you shall drink:

Jeremias (Jeremiah) 22:[29] O earth, earth, earth, hear the word of the Lord.

Ezechiel (Ezeckiel) 39: [8] Behold it cometh, and it is done, saith the Lord God: this is the day whereof I have spoken.

2 Corinthians 11:31
The God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who is blessed for ever, knoweth that I lie not.

Matthew 26:[46] Rise, let us go: behold he is at hand that will betray me.[47] As he yet spoke, behold Judas, one of
the twelve, came.

Aggeus (Haggai) 2: [7] For thus saith the Lord of hosts: Yet one little while, and I will move the heaven and the earth, and the sea, and the dry land.

(Isaiah) 24:[3] With desolation shall the earth be laid waste, and it shall be utterly spoiled: for the Lord hath spoken this word.

Zacharias (Zachariah) 13:7
Awake, O sword, against my shepherd, and against the man that cleaveth to me, saith the Lord of hosts: strike the shepherd, and the sheep shall be scattered:

Ezechiel (Ezeckiel) 18:32
For I desire not the death of him that dieth, saith the Lord God, return ye and live.
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Re: Can a Christian please explain to me how God would send people to hell for being "gullible"??
Hell is not in the Bible. Eternal punishment is not in the Bible. Punishment is better translated refinement.

Stop propagating the byzantine lie of hell. Jesus taught from the Torah. Hell is not in the Torah.

Discussion over. You can stop being scared of God and start loving Him/Her.
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Now that you have everyones opinion on a place they have never been and a Book they have never read, here is what God says in answer to your question:


But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more.
Luke 12:48


Barnes' Notes on The Bible:
Few stripes - The Jews never inflicted more than forty stripes for one offence, Deuteronomy 25:3. For smaller offences they inflicted only four, five, six, etc., according to the nature of the crime. In allusion to this, our Lord says that he "that knew not" - that is, he who had comparatively little knowledge - would suffer a punishment proportionally light. He refers, doubtless, to those who have fewer opportunities, smaller gifts, or fewer teachers.
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Jesus warns us to not be deceived, but judgment is also given according to knowledge. A Christian who knows something is a serious sin, but commits it anyway will face harsher judgment than someone who doesn't fully realize the seriousness of what they're doing.

At the same time, all men know deep down if something is right or wrong at some basic level. This is what you would call a "conscience" given to us by God.

"Your word I have hidden in my heart, That I might not sin against You" (Psalm 119:11)

As time goes on though and people become more entrenched in sin, the become blind to sin. It becomes very difficult to hear their conscience anymore and they become confused and lost. This is what we see so much of in the world today and it's also why Christians never stop preaching the gospel. Occasionally the truth does get through to lost souls and they're pulled out of the darkness.
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But it is the second death. A place of total execution ! Where the soul, spirit and body is put to death forever.
I'm sure it will be painful.....but only so much as it takes to destroy the person forever.


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Wow you think of everything don't you.
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seek the father with everything
love your neighbor (which is everyone)
do it and live
the end
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First off, this isn't a troll thread. This is just something that I can't wrap my head around and was one of the things that drove me away from christianity. Basically in the bible it says if you worship any other god and don't believe christ died for your sins you go to hell. So you are telling me a loving god would send gullible people who were fooled into believing in a false god/religion to hell to be burned alive and tortured for all of eternity? how the **** can this be considered right or fair? The punishment in no way fits the crime. That's like giving someone the death penalty for driving over the speed limit. I just can't comprehend it.
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Why would "God" give us moron IQ's and then hold us responsible for our decisions? If we all had IQ's of 200 or better most of this stupid stuff would never happen. So WHO is really responsible for our fuck ups?

If you take all the ram out of your computer will you be mad if it doesn't perform up to specs? Would God be?
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Hell is not in the Bible. Eternal punishment is not in the Bible. Punishment is better translated refinement.

Stop propagating the byzantine lie of hell. Jesus taught from the Torah. Hell is not in the Torah.

Discussion over. You can stop being scared of God and start loving Him/Her.
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Jeremias (Jeremiah) 23: [25] I have heard what the prophets said, that prophesy lies in my name, and say: I have dreamed, I have dreamed.

[26] How long shall this be in the heart of the prophets that prophesy lies, and that prophesy the delusions of their own heart? [27] Who seek to make my people forget my name through their dreams, which they tell every man to his neighbour: as their fathers forgot my name for Baal.

[28] The prophet that hath a dream, let him tell a dream: and he that hath my word, let him speak my word with truth: what hath the chaff to do with the wheat, saith the Lord?



Ezechiel (Ezeckiel) 13: [18] And say: Thus saith the Lord God: Woe to them that sew cushions under every elbow: and make pillows for the heads of persons of every age to catch souls: and when they caught the souls of my people, they gave life to their souls.

[19] And they violated me among my people, for a handful of barley, and a piece of bread, to kill souls which should not die, and to save souls alive which should not live, telling lies to my people that believe lies.






23 And the LORD spoke unto Moses, saying:
24 'Speak unto the congregation, saying: Get you up from about the dwelling of Korah, Dathan, and Abiram.'
25 And Moses rose up and went unto Dathan and Abiram; and the elders of Israel followed him.
26 And he spoke unto the congregation, saying: 'Depart, I pray you, from the tents of these wicked men, and touch nothing of theirs, lest ye be swept away in all their sins.'

27 So they got them up from the dwelling of Korah, Dathan, and Abiram, on every side; and Dathan and Abiram came out, and stood at the door of their tents, with their wives, and their sons, and their little ones.
28 And Moses said: 'Hereby ye shall know that the LORD hath sent me to do all these works, and that I have not done them of mine own mind.

29 If these men die the common death of all men, and be visited after the visitation of all men, then the LORD hath not sent Me.
30 But if the LORD make a new thing, and the ground open her mouth, and swallow them up, with all that appertain unto them, and they go down alive into the pit, then ye shall understand that these men have despised the LORD.'


31 And it came to pass, as he made an end of speaking all these words, that the ground did cleave asunder that was under them.
32 And the earth opened her mouth and swallowed them up, and their households, and all the men that appertained unto Korah, and all their goods.

33 So they, and all that appertained to them, went down alive into the pit; and the earth closed upon them, and they perished from among the assembly.


34 And all Israel that were round about them fled at the cry of them; for they said: 'Lest the earth swallow us up.'
35 And fire came forth from the LORD, and devoured the two hundred and fifty men that offered the incense. {S}


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5 The LORD hath broken the staff of the wicked, the sceptre of the rulers,
6 That smote the peoples in wrath with an incessant stroke, that ruled the nations in anger, with a persecution that none restrained.

7 The whole earth is at rest, and is quiet; they break forth into singing.
8 Yea, the cypresses rejoice at thee, and the cedars of Lebanon: 'Since thou art laid down, no feller is come up against us.'
9 The nether-world from beneath is moved for thee to meet thee at thy coming; the shades are stirred up for thee, even all the chief ones of the earth; all the kings of the nations are raised up from their thrones.

10 All they do answer and say unto thee: 'Art thou also become weak as we? Art thou become like unto us?
11 Thy pomp is brought down to the nether-world, and the noise of thy psalteries; the maggot is spread under thee, and the worms cover thee.'
12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O day-star, son of the morning! How art thou cut down to the ground, that didst cast lots over the nations!

13 And thou saidst in thy heart: 'I will ascend into heaven, above the stars of God will I exalt my throne, and I will sit upon the mount of meeting, in the uttermost parts of the north;

15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to the nether-world, to the uttermost parts of the pit.
16 They that saw thee do narrowly look upon thee, they gaze earnestly at thee: 'Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms;

17 That made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof; that opened not the house of his prisoners?'
18 All the kings of the nations, all of them, sleep in glory, every one in his own house.

19 But thou art cast forth away from thy grave like an abhorred offshoot, in the raiment of the slain, that are thrust through with the sword, that go down to the pavement of the pit, as a carcass trodden under foot.

20 Thou shalt not be joined with them in burial, because thou hast destroyed thy land, thou hast slain thy people; the seed of evil-doers shall not be named for ever.

21 Prepare ye slaughter for his children for the iniquity of their fathers; that they rise not up, and possess the earth, and fill the face of the world with cities.

22 And I will rise up against them, saith the LORD of hosts, and cut off from Babylon name and remnant, and offshoot and offspring, saith the LORD.
23 I will also make it a possession for the bittern, and pools of water; and I will sweep it with the besom of destruction, saith the LORD of hosts. 24 The LORD of hosts hath sworn, saying: Surely as I have thought, so shall it come to pass; and as I have purposed, so shall it stand,




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Proverbs 8:13
The fear of the Lord hateth evil: I hate arrogance, and pride, and every wicked way, and a mouth with a double tongue.


Proverbs 6:17
Haughty eyes, a lying tongue, hands that shed innocent blood,


Proverbs 12:19
The lip of truth shall be steadfast for ever: but he that is a hasty witness, frameth a lying tongue.


Proverbs 21:6
He that gathereth treasures by a lying tongue, is vain and foolish, and shall stumble upon the snares of death.


Ecclesiasticus 51:7
From the depth of the belly of hell, and from an unclean tongue, and from lying words, from an unjust king, and from a slanderous tongue:








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1 Chronicles 16:22 Touch not my anointed: and do no evil to my prophets.
Colossians 2:[21] Touch not, taste not, handle not:

Thread: Thus saith the LORD: Behold I set before you the way of life, and the way of death.

Thread: Jesus began to preach, and to say: Do penance, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.


Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus

Thread: Hell is real and most people are just a breath away from it. Ignorance is no excuse.

3 Kings (1 Kings) 18: [15] And Elias said: As the Lord of hosts liveth, before whose face I stand, this day.

Amos 3:7 For the Lord God doth nothing without revealing his secret to his servants the prophets.

BEHOLD! THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN IS AT HAND!

Matthew 10: [34] Do not think that I came to send peace upon earth: I came not to send peace, but the sword.


Jeremias (Jeremiah) 25: [27] And thou shalt say to them: Thus saith the Lord of hosts the God of Israel: Drink ye, and be drunken, and vomit: and fall, and rise no more, because of the sword, which I shall send among you.
[28] And if they refuse to take the cup at thy hand to drink, thou shalt say to them: Thus saith the Lord of hosts: Drinking you shall drink:

Jeremias (Jeremiah) 22:[29] O earth, earth, earth, hear the word of the Lord.

Ezechiel (Ezeckiel) 39: [8] Behold it cometh, and it is done, saith the Lord God: this is the day whereof I have spoken.

2 Corinthians 11:31
The God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who is blessed for ever, knoweth that I lie not.

Matthew 26:[46] Rise, let us go: behold he is at hand that will betray me.[47] As he yet spoke, behold Judas, one of
the twelve, came.

Aggeus (Haggai) 2: [7] For thus saith the Lord of hosts: Yet one little while, and I will move the heaven and the earth, and the sea, and the dry land.

(Isaiah) 24:[3] With desolation shall the earth be laid waste, and it shall be utterly spoiled: for the Lord hath spoken this word.

Zacharias (Zachariah) 13:7
Awake, O sword, against my shepherd, and against the man that cleaveth to me, saith the Lord of hosts: strike the shepherd, and the sheep shall be scattered:

Ezechiel (Ezeckiel) 18:32
For I desire not the death of him that dieth, saith the Lord God, return ye and live.
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First off, this isn't a troll thread. This is just something that I can't wrap my head around and was one of the things that drove me away from christianity. Basically in the bible it says if you worship any other god and don't believe christ died for your sins you go to hell. So you are telling me a loving god would send gullible people who were fooled into believing in a false god/religion to hell to be burned alive and tortured for all of eternity? how the **** can this be considered right or fair? The punishment in no way fits the crime. That's like giving someone the death penalty for driving over the speed limit. I just can't comprehend it.
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Proclaim NOT the Hell of the Churches of Men... In Their Words is No Mercy Found, Only the Makings of Satan

1/14/06 From God The Father - A Letter Given to Timothy, For All Those Who Have Ears to Hear


Thus says The Lord:
Listen, all you churches of men! Shall I, even I, torment My beloved, those who are continually tormented by he who is and has torment in his vesture?!... Satan is the tormentor!...

By your own mouths have you unknowingly called your God, satan! Repent therefore, and mend your ways and your doings! Forsake all your corrupt and evil teachings!... Become again a child of God, and learn to walk uprightly in Me, leading others to Love, by love, not fear.
My children, the second death is that grave, from which one shall not be raised nor awakened. For they have been cast out, abiding in outer darkness, forever separated from God and their part in life. These know nothing at all, returning to that from which they were formed. Beloved, THIS is the eternal state of My punishment, for those who have chosen death; for they have rejected The Gift, wherein is life everlasting. So then those under condemnation are dead; in no way are they part of the living, nor are they living in torment... Their inheritance is lost, they have been blotted out, broken vessels of dishonor received by the earth once again.



Therefore, stop blaspheming your God!
And have greater understanding of My Mercy, which endures forever...

For My Son did sleep in the lower parts of the earth, His tomb,
For three days and three nights...

By no means did He descend
Into the evils of man’s imaginings!



HE IS THE PURE LIGHT!...

Never has He had any part in darkness!
Behold, He shall destroy it utterly!

For HE IS RISEN!...

And all those, who believe in Him and walk in His ways,
Shall also rise and live, meeting Him in the air...

And forever shall they be with their Lord and their God,
Where all shall find mercy and love.



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Man's want to be king, man's want to be God, man swears he knows better than God, man claim he doesn't deserve chatiment...angels were kicked off from heaven, but some men out there believe they're higher than any broken angels.

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First off, this isn't a troll thread. This is just something that I can't wrap my head around and was one of the things that drove me away from christianity. Basically in the bible it says if you worship any other god and don't believe christ died for your sins you go to hell. So you are telling me a loving god would send gullible people who were fooled into believing in a false god/religion to hell to be burned alive and tortured for all of eternity? how the **** can this be considered right or fair? The punishment in no way fits the crime. That's like giving someone the death penalty for driving over the speed limit. I just can't comprehend it.
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I believe it's a simple choice. Since the wrong choices were made in the garden of Eden, the devil has been the owner of this planet. The devil owns you! Jesus offers you a way out of this predicament by his blood sacrifice to all that believe on him. So, if you die without his gift of eternal life, the only option left regardless if you are a good or bad person, is you go to the home of your owner, the devil, which is hell.

It's probably more complex than what I have said above. Someone more articulate may be able to express better. I think the fight between God and the devil is a cosmic mystery and we are the pawns in it.

Peace to you all.
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Your flag shows us you are in hell.

care to explain it to us?
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God judges the heart, during times of ignorance God winks, however if you know the truth and turn your back on it then it is rebellion which is the same as witchcraft, trying to be your own God.

Mankind isn't good the human heart is wicked who can know it?

when the Holy spirit comes it will convict a man of sin

Sin is the breaking of Gods commandments

The commandments are not grevious, earth would be heavenly place if man kept the law

God sent his Son so that man would live

The wages of sin is death. Not eternal hell all false religions believe in everlasting hell, not all Christianity believes in this Babylonian doctrine which is compatable with the snake in the garden who taught surely you will not die.

Who do we trust the snake or God?
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I just can't comprehend it.
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