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Rap Music is a cultural disease.

 
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I looked at your data.

1: Wikipedia is the best you can come up with. Wiki can be written by any hack and is unverified information in many circumstances.

2: These guys are relatively obscure. I have heard of neither of them. They are not indicative of popular mainstream rap artists.

3: Questlove's Wiki statements indicate only a high school education with emphasis on music. This is NOT indicative of a proper classically trained musician.

4: Reggie Watts Wiki statement indicates only a brief attendance at The Art institute of Seattle. He never completed his studies. Additionally Wiki says he studied at Cornish College of Arts. It mentions no such degree from Cornish. Did he graduate? Who knows? Cornish College offers only a Bachelors degree. I looked it up at their website. If, IF, Reggie graduated from Cornish, then the only degree he holds is a BA. Can't you come up with a single provable PhD or even a Masters degree? These advanced degrees are indicative of classical musical educations.

This is the best you can come up with? Unprovable Wiki commentaries? Yellow Journalism at it's best. Pathetic.

Tick tock. Come on all you rappers. Where is your rapid fire response now??? I challenge all of you to come up with proof of just a smattering of classically trained rap artists.

Tick Tock
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06/01/2012 12:19 PM
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cruise you're trying too hard.

Dispute this:

Hundreds of thousands of people in the world rap, or call themselves rappers, a great deal of them have taken lessons when they were young, attended music schools, studied theory, and also play multiple instruments.

You seem to be focused on the ones that don't really have any creative talent, which are usually the ones these days that get played the loudest and the most, Lil Jon, Lil Wayne, Lil Lil

cruise and so on

But the fact remains that there are may, many " rappers " as you like to calm them, that were actually musicians long before they started " rapping " who also happened to get into rapping.

You are only making sophistic arguments, seriously leaning on semantics, basically in a rowboat adrift on a sea of confusion with one oar.

You are helplessly spinning in circles too, I might add.

You haven't listened to enough rap, freestyle, hip-hop, mash-ups, dub, or turntable masters to be able to even have the required information to form a credible opinion.

See, if you don't know the difference between your ass and a hole in the ground, then you are just flapping your gums.
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06/01/2012 12:23 PM
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White racists are a disease.
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06/01/2012 12:28 PM
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Rappers, your silence speaks volumes.

I, a single individual, challenge the whole lot of you foul mouths to prove this, and nothing but silence.

Therefore, since there are no takers, please allow me the opportunity to reverse my argument:

How do you prove that symphonic music has classically trained musicians??

True classical musicianship is very, VERY easy to prove. Take a look at any Metropolitan Symphonic band. Look at their credentials. You will see page after page of Doctorates and Masters degrees in music, composition, etc... It's a no brainer proof.

Arguing with you fools is like shooting fish in a barrel. It's all too easy.

Bottom Line: Rap generally has no classically trained musicians. If you can find any then they will be the vast, VAST, minority.

Brandt Morain is exactly correct about (c)Rap music.

Bravo Pastor Manning for having the guts to team up with these guys.
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06/01/2012 12:29 PM
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Stupid thread title. Rap is not music.
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cruise you're trying too hard.

Dispute this:

Hundreds of thousands of people in the world rap, or call themselves rappers, a great deal of them have taken lessons when they were young, attended music schools, studied theory, and also play multiple instruments.

You seem to be focused on the ones that don't really have any creative talent, which are usually the ones these days that get played the loudest and the most, Lil Jon, Lil Wayne, Lil Lil

cruise and so on

But the fact remains that there are may, many " rappers " as you like to calm them, that were actually musicians long before they started " rapping " who also happened to get into rapping.

You are only making sophistic arguments, seriously leaning on semantics, basically in a rowboat adrift on a sea of confusion with one oar.

You are helplessly spinning in circles too, I might add.

You haven't listened to enough rap, freestyle, hip-hop, mash-ups, dub, or turntable masters to be able to even have the required information to form a credible opinion.

See, if you don't know the difference between your ass and a hole in the ground, then you are just flapping your gums.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15152757


Proof. The issue is proof. Your statement is unprovable.
What facts are you referring to?? Listening to rap is not proof. Listening to rap does not provide credentials as you suggest. Rowboats, spinning circles, flapping gums. Don't change the subject.

If you all didn't spend your life listening to rap you might be able to maintain a line of reasoning.
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06/01/2012 12:37 PM
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Stupid thread title. Rap is not music.
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Finally, someone who can prove me wrong.

I stand corrected sir. Thank you.
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06/01/2012 12:43 PM
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:)
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06/01/2012 12:45 PM
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For those of you reading this debate you will notice that all those who support rap have several things in common.

1. They use foul language generally.
2. They use this language to attack because they cannot present rational argument.
3. They cannot maintain a line of reasoning. They skip to irrelevancies and call it argument.
4. They don't recognize argumentative weight. They don't recognize deductive reasoning. When they lose an argument it doesn't register in their minds.

Any pathological disease attacks the tissues in which it inhabits. It deteriorates the processes of the target host.

Rap IS a cultural disease. Rap has deteriorated the intelligences and critical thinking skills of generations of people. The responses to my commentaries are proving this point.
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Rappers, your silence speaks volumes.

I, a single individual, challenge the whole lot of you foul mouths to prove this, and nothing but silence.

Therefore, since there are no takers, please allow me the opportunity to reverse my argument:

How do you prove that symphonic music has classically trained musicians??

True classical musicianship is very, VERY easy to prove. Take a look at any Metropolitan Symphonic band. Look at their credentials. You will see page after page of Doctorates and Masters degrees in music, composition, etc... It's a no brainer proof.

Arguing with you fools is like shooting fish in a barrel. It's all too easy.

Bottom Line: Rap generally has no classically trained musicians. If you can find any then they will be the vast, VAST, minority.

Brandt Morain is exactly correct about (c)Rap music.

Bravo Pastor Manning for having the guts to team up with these guys.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1563193


People said the same thing about Jazz in the 20s, Blues in the 30s, Rock 'n Roll in the 50s, Heavy Metal in the 80s, etc. Truth is, YOU cannot play any instruments or sing AT ALL, op, so you have do flame people who try to make records anonymously like the coward you are. I don't like much rap either, but I'm not gonna protest in the street over it. It'll run its course, just like the Big Bopper
"13013"
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Rappers, your silence speaks volumes.

I, a single individual, challenge the whole lot of you foul mouths to prove this, and nothing but silence.

Therefore, since there are no takers, please allow me the opportunity to reverse my argument:

How do you prove that symphonic music has classically trained musicians??

True classical musicianship is very, VERY easy to prove. Take a look at any Metropolitan Symphonic band. Look at their credentials. You will see page after page of Doctorates and Masters degrees in music, composition, etc... It's a no brainer proof.

Arguing with you fools is like shooting fish in a barrel. It's all too easy.

Bottom Line: Rap generally has no classically trained musicians. If you can find any then they will be the vast, VAST, minority.

Brandt Morain is exactly correct about (c)Rap music.

Bravo Pastor Manning for having the guts to team up with these guys.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1563193


People said the same thing about Jazz in the 20s, Blues in the 30s, Rock 'n Roll in the 50s, Heavy Metal in the 80s, etc. Truth is, YOU cannot play any instruments or sing AT ALL, op, so you have do flame people who try to make records anonymously like the coward you are. I don't like much rap either, but I'm not gonna protest in the street over it. It'll run its course, just like the Big Bopper
 Quoting: Illuminatvs Primvs


Again, the rap lover skips to irrelevancies.

OK, I'll bite:

How do you know I can't play an instrument? How do you know I am not classically trained? I refer to intonation, meter, tempo. Hey, what if I refer to industry terms like, "playing in the pocket" or "Your intonation is sharp by three cents" or shall we discuss feel and clave???

Fish in a barrel. Still no proof.

Tick tock, tick tock.
Illuminatvs Primvs

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Rappers, your silence speaks volumes.

I, a single individual, challenge the whole lot of you foul mouths to prove this, and nothing but silence.

Therefore, since there are no takers, please allow me the opportunity to reverse my argument:

How do you prove that symphonic music has classically trained musicians??

True classical musicianship is very, VERY easy to prove. Take a look at any Metropolitan Symphonic band. Look at their credentials. You will see page after page of Doctorates and Masters degrees in music, composition, etc... It's a no brainer proof.

Arguing with you fools is like shooting fish in a barrel. It's all too easy.

Bottom Line: Rap generally has no classically trained musicians. If you can find any then they will be the vast, VAST, minority.

Brandt Morain is exactly correct about (c)Rap music.

Bravo Pastor Manning for having the guts to team up with these guys.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1563193


People said the same thing about Jazz in the 20s, Blues in the 30s, Rock 'n Roll in the 50s, Heavy Metal in the 80s, etc. Truth is, YOU cannot play any instruments or sing AT ALL, op, so you have do flame people who try to make records anonymously like the coward you are. I don't like much rap either, but I'm not gonna protest in the street over it. It'll run its course, just like the Big Bopper
 Quoting: Illuminatvs Primvs


Again, the rap lover skips to irrelevancies.

OK, I'll bite:

How do you know I can't play an instrument? How do you know I am not classically trained? I refer to intonation, meter, tempo. Hey, what if I refer to industry terms like, "playing in the pocket" or "Your intonation is sharp by three cents" or shall we discuss feel and clave???

Fish in a barrel. Still no proof.

Tick tock, tick tock.


 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1563193


I know because you're trolling the 'net instead of rehearsing. Plus, I don't have to prove anything to you. Any dick can sit at a computer with a musical dictionary and pretend to be smart. But I don't hear you playing anything.
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Rappers, your silence speaks volumes.

I, a single individual, challenge the whole lot of you foul mouths to prove this, and nothing but silence.

Therefore, since there are no takers, please allow me the opportunity to reverse my argument:

How do you prove that symphonic music has classically trained musicians??

True classical musicianship is very, VERY easy to prove. Take a look at any Metropolitan Symphonic band. Look at their credentials. You will see page after page of Doctorates and Masters degrees in music, composition, etc... It's a no brainer proof.

Arguing with you fools is like shooting fish in a barrel. It's all too easy.

Bottom Line: Rap generally has no classically trained musicians. If you can find any then they will be the vast, VAST, minority.

Brandt Morain is exactly correct about (c)Rap music.

Bravo Pastor Manning for having the guts to team up with these guys.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1563193


People said the same thing about Jazz in the 20s, Blues in the 30s, Rock 'n Roll in the 50s, Heavy Metal in the 80s, etc. Truth is, YOU cannot play any instruments or sing AT ALL, op, so you have do flame people who try to make records anonymously like the coward you are. I don't like much rap either, but I'm not gonna protest in the street over it. It'll run its course, just like the Big Bopper
 Quoting: Illuminatvs Primvs


Again, the rap lover skips to irrelevancies.

OK, I'll bite:

How do you know I can't play an instrument? How do you know I am not classically trained? I refer to intonation, meter, tempo. Hey, what if I refer to industry terms like, "playing in the pocket" or "Your intonation is sharp by three cents" or shall we discuss feel and clave???

Fish in a barrel. Still no proof.

Tick tock, tick tock.


 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1563193


I know because you're trolling the 'net instead of rehearsing. Plus, I don't have to prove anything to you. Any dick can sit at a computer with a musical dictionary and pretend to be smart. But I don't hear you playing anything.
 Quoting: Illuminatvs Primvs


This is what passes as proof for the rap lover!

OK, Einstein. If you look at the timestamps you will see that the time between your original commentary and my rebuttal is only 5 minutes. This is not enough time to research the terms "playing in the pocket" "intonation being 3 cents sharpt" clave and concepts of feel.

Still no proof

Tick tock, tick tock.
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Rap Music is "no musician left behind"... now even a non-musical no talent moron can be a musician
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Rap Music is "no musician left behind"... now even a non-musical no talent moron can be a musician
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In this interview, Pastor Manning and Jared Brandt discuss the parallel between the decline of our culture and the rise in the popularity of (c)Rap.

I think they have nailed it.

Thread: Campaign to Destroy Rap Music: Pastor Manning Interviews recording artists Brandt Morain
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cruise you're trying too hard.

Dispute this:

Hundreds of thousands of people in the world rap, or call themselves rappers, a great deal of them have taken lessons when they were young, attended music schools, studied theory, and also play multiple instruments.

You seem to be focused on the ones that don't really have any creative talent, which are usually the ones these days that get played the loudest and the most, Lil Jon, Lil Wayne, Lil Lil

cruise and so on

But the fact remains that there are may, many " rappers " as you like to calm them, that were actually musicians long before they started " rapping " who also happened to get into rapping.

You are only making sophistic arguments, seriously leaning on semantics, basically in a rowboat adrift on a sea of confusion with one oar.

You are helplessly spinning in circles too, I might add.

You haven't listened to enough rap, freestyle, hip-hop, mash-ups, dub, or turntable masters to be able to even have the required information to form a credible opinion.

See, if you don't know the difference between your ass and a hole in the ground, then you are just flapping your gums.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15152757


Proof. The issue is proof. Your statement is unprovable.
What facts are you referring to?? Listening to rap is not proof. Listening to rap does not provide credentials as you suggest. Rowboats, spinning circles, flapping gums. Don't change the subject.

If you all didn't spend your life listening to rap you might be able to maintain a line of reasoning.
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Haha, spent my whole life listening to rap ?

You are not only ignorant in regards to music and logic, but also have no clue what my musical tastes are, they are as varied as they come, I like Bach to Gwar, Florence Jenkins to Jimi Hendrix.

Your other thread has a video for some asshat on the television, I don't have or watch TV like you, so unfortunately for you, I do not share the same narrow fascinations you do.

Let's examine rap for what it really is, since you seem to be unable to do so without some assistance.

Electronic music with words spoken over the music.

So, which part do you have the problem with, and what exactly gives your opening statement of " rap being a cultural disease " any gravitas ?

How is a musical genre a " cultural disease " ?

That statement in itself would get you laughed out of any reasonable debate about music.

It's called a " trend " there, Smartypants, not a " disease ".

Also, you don't know who questlove is ?

Or the Roots ?

Or Reggie Watts ?

Have you been living under a rock ?

popcorn
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is that cure anything like all the other cures for diseases people have developed?

i suggest you take that...and give some to a friend of yours.
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Also there genius, " classically trained " doesn't mean trained to play classical music, it means you took lessons on an instrument/s from an early age and extended your studies into adulthood, by way of autodidactism or paid schooling.
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cruise you're trying too hard.

Dispute this:

Hundreds of thousands of people in the world rap, or call themselves rappers, a great deal of them have taken lessons when they were young, attended music schools, studied theory, and also play multiple instruments.

You seem to be focused on the ones that don't really have any creative talent, which are usually the ones these days that get played the loudest and the most, Lil Jon, Lil Wayne, Lil Lil

cruise and so on

But the fact remains that there are may, many " rappers " as you like to calm them, that were actually musicians long before they started " rapping " who also happened to get into rapping.

You are only making sophistic arguments, seriously leaning on semantics, basically in a rowboat adrift on a sea of confusion with one oar.

You are helplessly spinning in circles too, I might add.

You haven't listened to enough rap, freestyle, hip-hop, mash-ups, dub, or turntable masters to be able to even have the required information to form a credible opinion.

See, if you don't know the difference between your ass and a hole in the ground, then you are just flapping your gums.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15152757


Proof. The issue is proof. Your statement is unprovable.
What facts are you referring to?? Listening to rap is not proof. Listening to rap does not provide credentials as you suggest. Rowboats, spinning circles, flapping gums. Don't change the subject.

If you all didn't spend your life listening to rap you might be able to maintain a line of reasoning.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1563193


Haha, spent my whole life listening to rap ?

You are not only ignorant in regards to music and logic, but also have no clue what my musical tastes are, they are as varied as they come, I like Bach to Gwar, Florence Jenkins to Jimi Hendrix.

Your other thread has a video for some asshat on the television, I don't have or watch TV like you, so unfortunately for you, I do not share the same narrow fascinations you do.

Let's examine rap for what it really is, since you seem to be unable to do so without some assistance.

Electronic music with words spoken over the music.

So, which part do you have the problem with, and what exactly gives your opening statement of " rap being a cultural disease " any gravitas ?

How is a musical genre a " cultural disease " ?

That statement in itself would get you laughed out of any reasonable debate about music.

It's called a " trend " there, Smartypants, not a " disease ".

Also, you don't know who questlove is ?

Or the Roots ?

Or Reggie Watts ?

Have you been living under a rock ?

popcorn
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15152757


Again, these rap lovers change the subject. Still no proof of a single rap artist out there with a bonafide classical background.

Alright, I think my point is made. Nobody has provided proof because they cannot find any. Soooooo.....

Now, I guess I can indulge the wild irrelevancies which I must admit are fun. Here goes:

Sir, how do you know if I watch TV? And "The Manning Report" is not a TV show, it is a radio program.

We need no lecture on the construct of a juvenile music genre such as rap. Any fourth grader can easily identify it's components.

As for it being a cultural disease, well let me ask you this.

"How can any self-respecting rap lover like yourself dare to claim misunderstanding of the cultural destruction of rap? Rap music encourages murder, lawlessness, rape, torture and slow torture - particularly of whites, all manner of sexual perversion etc... Are you really trying to convince us that you don't understand the cultural implications of such a popular genre?? Please, nobody here is that stupid (I think). The hula-hoop was a trend. The rubics cube was a trend. Rap is a cultural disease."

Am I living under a rock? Well, I guess I know enough about rap music to describe it's lyrical content --"kill whitey all night long", etc... but I don't bother to fill my brain with such garbage as a "Who's who of Rap Music". I have better things to do with my mental energy. So, yes, I am proudly ignorant of questlove and Reggie Watts.
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OP is an imbecile:




Mobb Deep:

Havoc and Prodigy started their career in music in 1986 and they both attended the High School of Art and Design in New York City.

1937 Paul Winchell, ventriloquist, inventor, actor
1940 Violet Barclay, one of the pioneering female comic-book artists
1940 Chic Stone, comic book illustrator[3]
1943 Carmine Infantino, comic book artist and editor, member Comic Book Hall of Fame[4][5]
1943 Helmut Krone, legendary art director
1943 Henry Wolf, graphic designer, art director and photographer
1944 Joe Orlando, comic book illustrator, Mad magazine Associate Publisher[5]
1945 Tony Bennett, singer and painter[6]
1945 Joe Giella, comic book illustrator[7]
1946 Sy Barry, comic book illustrator
1946 Vladimir Kagan, furniture designer
1946 Al Scaduto, syndicated cartoonist
1947 Alex Toth, comic book illustrator, animator for Hanna-Barbera[5]
1947 John Romita, Sr., comic book illustrator[5]
1950 Dick Giordano, comic book illustrator[5]
1951 Leo Dillon, adult and children's book illustrator
1951 Bill Kresse, syndicated cartoonist
1952 Eva Hesse, minimalist painter and sculptor
1952 Sam Scali, advertising agency owner, ADC Hall of Fame
1953 Bill Haire, fashion designer[8]
1953 Hazel Haire, fashion designer[8]
1955 John Anthony (John Anthony Iorio), fashion designer
1955 I.C. Rapoport photojournalist
1956 Ralph Bakshi, animator, filmmaker[6]
1956 John Johnson, TV news anchor, author and painter
1956 Barbara Nessim, illustrator and educator
1957 Bobby Weinstein, songwriter, member Songwriters Hall of Fame
1959 Neal Adams, comic book illustrator[5]
1960 Calvin Klein, fashion designer[6]
1960 George Kuchar, cult filmmaker and director
1960 Antonio Lopez, fashion illustrator[9]
1960 Gerard Malanga, poet, photographer and filmmaker
1960 Robert Volpe, painter and NYPD detective, the "Art Cop"
1962 Roscoe Orman, actor, author, and illustrator, best known as "Gordon" on Sesame Street
1962 Simon Gaon, painter
1963 Ronnie Landfield, abstract painter
1963 Joey Skaggs, media prankster, performance artist
1963 Michael Steiner, abstract artist and sculptor
1964 Peter Heller, Emmy award winning TV news producer, author
1965 Jackie Curtis, Warhol film star, poet, playwright
1965 Art Spiegelman, Pulitzer Prize winning author and cartoonist[10]
1967 Bert Monroy, digital art pioneer, author of books on Photoshop, Illustrator
1967 Eric Carr (Paul Charles Caravello), drummer in the rock band Kiss
1967 Frank Brunner, comic book illustrator[2]
1967 Larry Hama, writer and comic book illustrator[2][5]
1967 Lenny White, jazz-funk drummer, member of Return to Forever
1967 Ralph Reese, comic book illustrator[2]
1967 Terry Winters, abstract painter and printmaker[11]
1968 Candida Royalle, producer and director of couples-oriented erotic films
1968 John Steptoe, author and illustrator of children's books
1969 Harvey Fierstein, actor, playwright, gay activist[6]
1970 Amy Heckerling, film director, writer, actress[12]
1971 Lawrence Hilton-Jacobs, actor and singer
1971 Alan Kupperberg, cartoonist and illustrator[13]
1971 Steven Meisel, fashion photographer
1973 Lisa Jane Persky, actress.[14]
1973 Tom Sito, animator, filmmaker, educator
1976 Marcelino Sanchez, film and television actor
1976 Mike Carlin, comic book writer and editor[15]
1977 Joe Jusko, comic book illustrator[5]
1977 Gladys Portugues, champion body builder
1978 Lasana M. Sekou, poet, author, publisher
1978 Lorna Simpson, artist and photographer
1979 Denys Cowan, comic book illustrator
1979 Jimmy Palmiotti, inker and writer of comic books, games and film[16]
1979 Mark Texeira, comic book illustrator[17][18]
1980 Steve Carr, film director
1981 Marc Jacobs, fashion designer[19]
1984 Christopher "Play" Martin, rapper and actor
1984 Lady Pink (Sandra Fabara), graffiti writer, artist and muralist.[20]
1985 Roger Sanchez, Grammy Award winning DJ, producer, recording artist
1986 Pharoahe Monch (Troy Donald Jamerson), hip hop artist
1987 Ivan de Prume, former drummer in the groove metal band White Zombie
1987 Malcolm Jones III, comic book illustrator[21]
1990 Jamal Igle, comic book and animation storyboard artist[22][23]
1992 Joe Madureira, comic book illustrator[24][25]
1992 Mobb Deep, hip-hop duo
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and I had my classical training at the Illinois Institute of Technology and University of Alabama at Huntsville (they didn't offer me much when I attended).

now, I design, build and deploy the most powerful weapons the world will ever know.

and I love throwback hip hop.
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Mobb Deep:

Havoc and Prodigy started their career in music in 1986 and they both attended the High School of Art and Design in New York City.

1937 Paul Winchell, ventriloquist, inventor, actor
1940 Violet Barclay, one of the pioneering female comic-book artists
1940 Chic Stone, comic book illustrator[3]
1943 Carmine Infantino, comic book artist and editor, member Comic Book Hall of Fame[4][5]
1943 Helmut Krone, legendary art director
1943 Henry Wolf, graphic designer, art director and photographer
1944 Joe Orlando, comic book illustrator, Mad magazine Associate Publisher[5]
1945 Tony Bennett, singer and painter[6]
1945 Joe Giella, comic book illustrator[7]
1946 Sy Barry, comic book illustrator
1946 Vladimir Kagan, furniture designer
1946 Al Scaduto, syndicated cartoonist
1947 Alex Toth, comic book illustrator, animator for Hanna-Barbera[5]
1947 John Romita, Sr., comic book illustrator[5]
1950 Dick Giordano, comic book illustrator[5]
1951 Leo Dillon, adult and children's book illustrator
1951 Bill Kresse, syndicated cartoonist
1952 Eva Hesse, minimalist painter and sculptor
1952 Sam Scali, advertising agency owner, ADC Hall of Fame
1953 Bill Haire, fashion designer[8]
1953 Hazel Haire, fashion designer[8]
1955 John Anthony (John Anthony Iorio), fashion designer
1955 I.C. Rapoport photojournalist
1956 Ralph Bakshi, animator, filmmaker[6]
1956 John Johnson, TV news anchor, author and painter
1956 Barbara Nessim, illustrator and educator
1957 Bobby Weinstein, songwriter, member Songwriters Hall of Fame
1959 Neal Adams, comic book illustrator[5]
1960 Calvin Klein, fashion designer[6]
1960 George Kuchar, cult filmmaker and director
1960 Antonio Lopez, fashion illustrator[9]
1960 Gerard Malanga, poet, photographer and filmmaker
1960 Robert Volpe, painter and NYPD detective, the "Art Cop"
1962 Roscoe Orman, actor, author, and illustrator, best known as "Gordon" on Sesame Street
1962 Simon Gaon, painter
1963 Ronnie Landfield, abstract painter
1963 Joey Skaggs, media prankster, performance artist
1963 Michael Steiner, abstract artist and sculptor
1964 Peter Heller, Emmy award winning TV news producer, author
1965 Jackie Curtis, Warhol film star, poet, playwright
1965 Art Spiegelman, Pulitzer Prize winning author and cartoonist[10]
1967 Bert Monroy, digital art pioneer, author of books on Photoshop, Illustrator
1967 Eric Carr (Paul Charles Caravello), drummer in the rock band Kiss
1967 Frank Brunner, comic book illustrator[2]
1967 Larry Hama, writer and comic book illustrator[2][5]
1967 Lenny White, jazz-funk drummer, member of Return to Forever
1967 Ralph Reese, comic book illustrator[2]
1967 Terry Winters, abstract painter and printmaker[11]
1968 Candida Royalle, producer and director of couples-oriented erotic films
1968 John Steptoe, author and illustrator of children's books
1969 Harvey Fierstein, actor, playwright, gay activist[6]
1970 Amy Heckerling, film director, writer, actress[12]
1971 Lawrence Hilton-Jacobs, actor and singer
1971 Alan Kupperberg, cartoonist and illustrator[13]
1971 Steven Meisel, fashion photographer
1973 Lisa Jane Persky, actress.[14]
1973 Tom Sito, animator, filmmaker, educator
1976 Marcelino Sanchez, film and television actor
1976 Mike Carlin, comic book writer and editor[15]
1977 Joe Jusko, comic book illustrator[5]
1977 Gladys Portugues, champion body builder
1978 Lasana M. Sekou, poet, author, publisher
1978 Lorna Simpson, artist and photographer
1979 Denys Cowan, comic book illustrator
1979 Jimmy Palmiotti, inker and writer of comic books, games and film[16]
1979 Mark Texeira, comic book illustrator[17][18]
1980 Steve Carr, film director
1981 Marc Jacobs, fashion designer[19]
1984 Christopher "Play" Martin, rapper and actor
1984 Lady Pink (Sandra Fabara), graffiti writer, artist and muralist.[20]
1985 Roger Sanchez, Grammy Award winning DJ, producer, recording artist
1986 Pharoahe Monch (Troy Donald Jamerson), hip hop artist
1987 Ivan de Prume, former drummer in the groove metal band White Zombie
1987 Malcolm Jones III, comic book illustrator[21]
1990 Jamal Igle, comic book and animation storyboard artist[22][23]
1992 Joe Madureira, comic book illustrator[24][25]
1992 Mobb Deep, hip-hop duo
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11048145


Again, the best you rap lovers can come up with is high school educations. Ridiculous! These "credentials" are pathetic compared to true classically trained professionals.

What's with the rest of this list? A big list of unexplained irrelevancies is supposed to impress me?

Again, rap has deteriorated the critical thinking skills of an entire generation. They do not understand deductive reasoning. This poor bugger actually thinks this big list is proof.

Hah! This is too easy! You rap lovers should give it up and stick to what you know---like hitting the crack pipe
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its probably best to compare the list with your very own personal accomplishments.

that shouldn't take long.

loser.
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its probably best to compare the list with your very own personal accomplishments.

that shouldn't take long.

loser.
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Again, irrelevant to the discussion. You guys just don't know how to argue.

Well, after a day of battling these rap lovers, I stand by my claim. Rap is a cultural disease.
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Why don't you give this a read.

[link to www.hiphopisread.com]

I still have "rap" tapes on cassette, yes im a bit older, that predate the shoot em kill em, bling bling, every other verse is about money etc etc

Rap and Hip Hop was not always about that, De La Soul, A Tribe Called Quest, I could go on and on used to rap about positive shit, and good vibes. Interesting read, and seems to be dead on as far as the timeline when it all changed and NWA, and more hardcore rap started taking over.
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White racists are a disease.
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cruise you're trying too hard.

Dispute this:

Hundreds of thousands of people in the world rap, or call themselves rappers, a great deal of them have taken lessons when they were young, attended music schools, studied theory, and also play multiple instruments.

You seem to be focused on the ones that don't really have any creative talent, which are usually the ones these days that get played the loudest and the most, Lil Jon, Lil Wayne, Lil Lil

cruise and so on

But the fact remains that there are may, many " rappers " as you like to calm them, that were actually musicians long before they started " rapping " who also happened to get into rapping.

You are only making sophistic arguments, seriously leaning on semantics, basically in a rowboat adrift on a sea of confusion with one oar.

You are helplessly spinning in circles too, I might add.

You haven't listened to enough rap, freestyle, hip-hop, mash-ups, dub, or turntable masters to be able to even have the required information to form a credible opinion.

See, if you don't know the difference between your ass and a hole in the ground, then you are just flapping your gums.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15152757


Proof. The issue is proof. Your statement is unprovable.
What facts are you referring to?? Listening to rap is not proof. Listening to rap does not provide credentials as you suggest. Rowboats, spinning circles, flapping gums. Don't change the subject.

If you all didn't spend your life listening to rap you might be able to maintain a line of reasoning.
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And yours is supposed to be proof? LOL.
“One life is all we have and we live it as we believe in living it. But to sacrifice what you are and to live without belief, that is a fate more terrible than dying.”
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Again, you guys try to shift the argument:

In case you have already forgotten, a previous rap lover made the claim that there were plenty of rap artists out there with classical musical backgrounds.

I asked him to provide proof.

Therefore, the burden of proof lies on his shoulders.

I'm just waiting, waiting, waiting....
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Couldn't agree more.

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