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Rap Music is a cultural disease.

 
Psych

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I'm disgusted at what has happened to people in general and the once great nation of America.

I am doing something about it. I am arguing with folks like you who are party to this corruption.
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If that is really the case, maybe you should start paying attention to issues that really matter as appose to rap music.

Like your government which is corrupt from top to bottom. Just one of the many examples.
 Quoting: Psych


I do. But one must focus. Rap is at the top of the list. Rap music is doing more damage to our society than any war that we have engaged in.
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Every penny you spend on the war machine is a penny not flowing back into society. I think you underestimate the consequences of war on society. Primarily the consequences of debt on society. But that is a completely different discussion.

Back to hip hop and rap:

While there is a vicious circle in place, you are focusing on the symptom as appose to the root cause.

You mentioned a lack of classical training earlier in this thread and for the most part you are right about that. Reason being, they did not have the opportunity to apply for classical training.

There is not a lack of talent, just a lack of education.

Hip Hip (and later on rap) originated in areas where underprivileged people found a way to make music. Following a dream of climbing the social ladder even when all the odds are stacked against you.

They used samplers to create beats and wrote texts on it which reflected life the way they saw it.

In the end, all artists write about their perception on life, their subjective point of view.

If they grew up in a violent neighborhood, don't expect texts which will tell you how wonderful life is.

If we want to change the music, we need to change their outlook on life. Give them a proper education. Give them equal opportunities. Stop ghetto forming.

Mainstream:
The main reason why rap got popular among millions of people world wide is because of Eminem, a white guy with a lot of talent and texts many white people could relate to.

Once an industry can reach the white demographic, you have hit the jackpot.

Soon after that, the white demographic started paying attention to other rap artists as well and the door was opened up for a number of rap artists to get their product out there.

Then the music industry did what it always does. They don't market the best artists, they market the people who are marketable.

Result:
The best rap artists are on independent labels, they don't have a marketing machine behind them like Sony has, they are not making the millions Sony pays, and therefore you most likely have never heard of them.

To put it into perspective:
A lot of very good rap artists make music which is nothing like the music you are referring too in this thread. But they are simply not marketed like the rap artists you are being bombarded with on TV and the radio.

I think it has been mentioned before in this thread. Every music genre has it's diamonds but you have to look for it.

Does Lady Gaga make good music? No. But she is marketable.

I agree, a lot of rap artists which you hear on TV and on the radio are horrible but at the same time, a lot of other rap artists are really good and do not support the glorification of a thug life.

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You mentioned a lack of classical training earlier in this thread and for the most part you are right about that. Reason being, they did not have the opportunity to apply for classical training.

There is not a lack of talent, just a lack of education.

Hip Hip (and later on rap) originated in areas where underprivileged people found a way to make music. Following a dream of climbing the social ladder even when all the odds are stacked against you.


This is a ridiculous argument. In this society, particularly if you are black, there is absolutely no such thing as lack of opportunity. Being black and poor is the best way to get a college education for free. The financial aid programs available for these folks goes on and on and on.....

Besides, rap music has made many of these clowns multi-millionaires. As this thread proves, not ONE of them used those profits to obtain a classical musical degree.

The only people who would make your "lack of talent" argument is those who have never studied music. "Talent" is 99% hard work. "Talented" musicians have had to work their backsides off. Show me a person who has nothing but talent and I will show you a lousy musician.
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I'm disgusted at what has happened to people in general and the once great nation of America.

I am doing something about it. I am arguing with folks like you who are party to this corruption.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1563193


If that is really the case, maybe you should start paying attention to issues that really matter as appose to rap music.

Like your government which is corrupt from top to bottom. Just one of the many examples.
 Quoting: Psych


I do. But one must focus. Rap is at the top of the list. Rap music is doing more damage to our society than any war that we have engaged in.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1563193


Every penny you spend on the war machine is a penny not flowing back into society. I think you underestimate the consequences of war on society. Primarily the consequences of debt on society. But that is a completely different discussion.

Back to hip hop and rap:

While there is a vicious circle in place, you are focusing on the symptom as appose to the root cause.

You mentioned a lack of classical training earlier in this thread and for the most part you are right about that. Reason being, they did not have the opportunity to apply for classical training.

There is not a lack of talent, just a lack of education.

Hip Hip (and later on rap) originated in areas where underprivileged people found a way to make music. Following a dream of climbing the social ladder even when all the odds are stacked against you.

They used samplers to create beats and wrote texts on it which reflected life the way they saw it.

In the end, all artists write about their perception on life, their subjective point of view.

If they grew up in a violent neighborhood, don't expect texts which will tell you how wonderful life is.

If we want to change the music, we need to change their outlook on life. Give them a proper education. Give them equal opportunities. Stop ghetto forming.

Mainstream:
The main reason why rap got popular among millions of people world wide is because of Eminem, a white guy with a lot of talent and texts many white people could relate to.

Once an industry can reach the white demographic, you have hit the jackpot.

Soon after that, the white demographic started paying attention to other rap artists as well and the door was opened up for a number of rap artists to get their product out there.

Then the music industry did what it always does. They don't market the best artists, they market the people who are marketable.

Result:
The best rap artists are on independent labels, they don't have a marketing machine behind them like Sony has, they are not making the millions Sony pays, and therefore you most likely have never heard of them.

To put it into perspective:
A lot of very good rap artists make music which is nothing like the music you are referring too in this thread. But they are simply not marketed like the rap artists you are being bombarded with on TV and the radio.

I think it has been mentioned before in this thread. Every music genre has it's diamonds but you have to look for it.

Does Lady Gaga make good music? No. But she is marketable.

I agree, a lot of rap artists which you hear on TV and on the radio are horrible but at the same time, a lot of other rap artists are really good and do not support the glorification of a thug life.
 Quoting: Psych



This is a ridiculous argument. In this society, particularly if you are black, there is absolutely no such thing as lack of opportunity. Being black and poor is the best way to get a college education for free. The financial aid programs available for these folks goes on and on and on.....

Besides, rap music has made many of these clowns multi-millionaires. As this thread proves, not ONE of them used those profits to obtain a classical musical degree.

The only people who would make your "lack of talent" argument is those who have never studied music. "Talent" is 99% hard work. "Talented" musicians have had to work their backsides off. Show me a person who has nothing but talent and I will show you a lousy musician.
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If that is really the case, maybe you should start paying attention to issues that really matter as appose to rap music.

Like your government which is corrupt from top to bottom. Just one of the many examples.
 Quoting: Psych


I do. But one must focus. Rap is at the top of the list. Rap music is doing more damage to our society than any war that we have engaged in.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1563193


Every penny you spend on the war machine is a penny not flowing back into society. I think you underestimate the consequences of war on society. Primarily the consequences of debt on society. But that is a completely different discussion.

Back to hip hop and rap:

While there is a vicious circle in place, you are focusing on the symptom as appose to the root cause.

You mentioned a lack of classical training earlier in this thread and for the most part you are right about that. Reason being, they did not have the opportunity to apply for classical training.

There is not a lack of talent, just a lack of education.

Hip Hip (and later on rap) originated in areas where underprivileged people found a way to make music. Following a dream of climbing the social ladder even when all the odds are stacked against you.

They used samplers to create beats and wrote texts on it which reflected life the way they saw it.

In the end, all artists write about their perception on life, their subjective point of view.

If they grew up in a violent neighborhood, don't expect texts which will tell you how wonderful life is.

If we want to change the music, we need to change their outlook on life. Give them a proper education. Give them equal opportunities. Stop ghetto forming.

Mainstream:
The main reason why rap got popular among millions of people world wide is because of Eminem, a white guy with a lot of talent and texts many white people could relate to.

Once an industry can reach the white demographic, you have hit the jackpot.

Soon after that, the white demographic started paying attention to other rap artists as well and the door was opened up for a number of rap artists to get their product out there.

Then the music industry did what it always does. They don't market the best artists, they market the people who are marketable.

Result:
The best rap artists are on independent labels, they don't have a marketing machine behind them like Sony has, they are not making the millions Sony pays, and therefore you most likely have never heard of them.

To put it into perspective:
A lot of very good rap artists make music which is nothing like the music you are referring too in this thread. But they are simply not marketed like the rap artists you are being bombarded with on TV and the radio.

I think it has been mentioned before in this thread. Every music genre has it's diamonds but you have to look for it.

Does Lady Gaga make good music? No. But she is marketable.

I agree, a lot of rap artists which you hear on TV and on the radio are horrible but at the same time, a lot of other rap artists are really good and do not support the glorification of a thug life.
 Quoting: Psych



This is a ridiculous argument. In this society, particularly if you are black, there is absolutely no such thing as lack of opportunity. Being black and poor is the best way to get a college education for free. The financial aid programs available for these folks goes on and on and on.....

Besides, rap music has made many of these clowns multi-millionaires. As this thread proves, not ONE of them used those profits to obtain a classical musical degree.

The only people who would make your "lack of talent" argument is those who have never studied music. "Talent" is 99% hard work. "Talented" musicians have had to work their backsides off. Show me a person who has nothing but talent and I will show you a lousy musician.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1563193


If you really think America is the land of equal opportunities you need to go live in a ghetto for a while.

While I agree there are affirmative action initiatives in place, the whole concept is a joke. It is a poor attempt in addressing the root cause.

There are some rap artists which are in fact classically trained. 2Pac was one of them.

Also, while being classically trained does have a lot of benefits, it is not a guarantee for making good and enjoyable music.

And hard work does not equal classical training. There are plenty of examples where people are really good at what they do without having proper training. Effort and commitment is arguably much more important.

Someone with a lot of talent but a lack of education could produce much better music than someone who has classical training and lacks talent.

In fact, you could bang on a drum computer with your head and come up with better music than a lot classical trained "artists" come up with.
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I do. But one must focus. Rap is at the top of the list. Rap music is doing more damage to our society than any war that we have engaged in.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1563193


Every penny you spend on the war machine is a penny not flowing back into society. I think you underestimate the consequences of war on society. Primarily the consequences of debt on society. But that is a completely different discussion.

Back to hip hop and rap:

While there is a vicious circle in place, you are focusing on the symptom as appose to the root cause.

You mentioned a lack of classical training earlier in this thread and for the most part you are right about that. Reason being, they did not have the opportunity to apply for classical training.

There is not a lack of talent, just a lack of education.

Hip Hip (and later on rap) originated in areas where underprivileged people found a way to make music. Following a dream of climbing the social ladder even when all the odds are stacked against you.

They used samplers to create beats and wrote texts on it which reflected life the way they saw it.

In the end, all artists write about their perception on life, their subjective point of view.

If they grew up in a violent neighborhood, don't expect texts which will tell you how wonderful life is.

If we want to change the music, we need to change their outlook on life. Give them a proper education. Give them equal opportunities. Stop ghetto forming.

Mainstream:
The main reason why rap got popular among millions of people world wide is because of Eminem, a white guy with a lot of talent and texts many white people could relate to.

Once an industry can reach the white demographic, you have hit the jackpot.

Soon after that, the white demographic started paying attention to other rap artists as well and the door was opened up for a number of rap artists to get their product out there.

Then the music industry did what it always does. They don't market the best artists, they market the people who are marketable.

Result:
The best rap artists are on independent labels, they don't have a marketing machine behind them like Sony has, they are not making the millions Sony pays, and therefore you most likely have never heard of them.

To put it into perspective:
A lot of very good rap artists make music which is nothing like the music you are referring too in this thread. But they are simply not marketed like the rap artists you are being bombarded with on TV and the radio.

I think it has been mentioned before in this thread. Every music genre has it's diamonds but you have to look for it.

Does Lady Gaga make good music? No. But she is marketable.

I agree, a lot of rap artists which you hear on TV and on the radio are horrible but at the same time, a lot of other rap artists are really good and do not support the glorification of a thug life.
 Quoting: Psych



This is a ridiculous argument. In this society, particularly if you are black, there is absolutely no such thing as lack of opportunity. Being black and poor is the best way to get a college education for free. The financial aid programs available for these folks goes on and on and on.....

Besides, rap music has made many of these clowns multi-millionaires. As this thread proves, not ONE of them used those profits to obtain a classical musical degree.

The only people who would make your "lack of talent" argument is those who have never studied music. "Talent" is 99% hard work. "Talented" musicians have had to work their backsides off. Show me a person who has nothing but talent and I will show you a lousy musician.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1563193


If you really think America is the land of equal opportunities you need to go live in a ghetto for a while.

While I agree there are affirmative action initiatives in place, the whole concept is a joke. It is a poor attempt in addressing the root cause.

There are some rap artists which are in fact classically trained. 2Pac was one of them.

Also, while being classically trained does have a lot of benefits, it is not a guarantee for making good and enjoyable music.

And hard work does not equal classical training. There are plenty of examples where people are really good at what they do without having proper training. Effort and commitment is arguably much more important.

Someone with a lot of talent but a lack of education could produce much better music than someone who has classical training and lacks talent.

In fact, you could bang on a drum computer with your head and come up with better music than a lot classical trained "artists" come up with.
 Quoting: Psych


Pastor Manning lives in Harlem, N.Y. He says your "poor underpriviledged" argument is ridiculous also.

When I was in college all the best jobs and internships were given to women and minorities regardless of their academic performance. I agree that the concept is a joke, but not the way you ascribe.

Hard work does not equal classical training. I agree. But, the argument was that there were plenty of rap artists who have classical background. It stands to reason that if this statement were true at least ONE rap artist would have an degree in musical composition, theory, etc... Since nobody can provide evidence, then this claim appears to be bogus.
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Watch this and tell me this guy has no talent.

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I don't care if someone have "classical training" in anything...If someone is good in something...he's simply good. Does he/she have "classical training" I don't give fucks.

Problem with RAP started in 2000.Artists=sellouts! they gonna sell thir soul just to be in the game...and thir bosses are just puppets to another bosses who is puppet 2 anotha...

so you have weak ass rappers/humans with no respect 2 anything besides money...and their bosses,they know that, so they are picking that type of person 2 be star...
I mean I aint got nothing against no1,,,,but just look at that lil prick Lil Wayne...what u can expect from that individual...just look at his mentor Birdman...ghetto mind...money and no real values

Man we got grown ups talking and "beefing" like they r in primary school...

"I got Louis Vuitton belt and Jordan's mayne! I'm sippin on bottle of Patron mayne! I'll fucks your biatch, mayne!"

Fckin pricks destroying that genre of music!
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Modern rap sucks! But so does Fatso Manning!

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