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Venus` Plasmatail could engulf Earth in upcoming Transit

 
Nacht im Walde
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With the upcoming Venus transit I was wondering what everyone else is thinking as to the current solar features and possible interactions with Venus/Earth. Previously it was observed that Venus` plasma tail almost reaches Earth when the two bodies align:

[link to www.thunderbolts.info]

[link to www.aip.org]


At the moment we have a coronal hole on the Sun which is said to interact with Earth on June 5th-7th.

[link to www.spaceweather.com]

Does anybody else think that as a result Venus` plasma tail could stretch and possibly engulf Earth (not just barely touch it)?


On the last transit in 2004 there were no major solar features, which would have affected Venus/Earth.

[link to sohodata.nascom.nasa.gov]

Last Edited by Nacht im Walde on 06/01/2012 04:29 PM
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Re: Venus` Plasmatail could engulf Earth in upcoming Transit
With the upcoming Venus transit I was wondering what everyone else is thinking as to the current solar features and possible interactions with Venus/Earth. Previously it was observed that Venus` plasma tail almost reaches Earth when the two bodies align:

[link to www.thunderbolts.info]

[link to www.aip.org]


At the moment we have a coronal hole on the Sun which is said to interact with Earth on June 5th-7th.

[link to www.spaceweather.com]

Does anybody else think that as a result Venus` plasma tail could stretch and possibly engulf Earth (not just barely touch it)?


On the last transit in 2004 there were no major solar features, which would have affected Venus/Earth.

[link to sohodata.nascom.nasa.gov]
 Quoting: Nacht im Walde


2004 sun Venus Transit
[link to www.youtube.com]
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2004 sun Venus Transit

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nice catch, could have been lightning though (probably not from a cosmic thunderbolt ;)... The white spot on Venus is quite interesting.

Last Edited by Nacht im Walde on 06/01/2012 04:52 PM
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hmmm
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1dunno1 Not sure but it's interesting...
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interesting.
bump
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current coronal hole on the sun (coronal holes are the source for fast and slow solar winds)

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Very interesting!
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doomsol
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could a transit in association with strong solar activity actually trigger tectonic upheaval on this planet, or some other freaky shit?

these transits happen very infrequently, so we'd have to be unlucky for it to happen during a strong solar episode, but what is due?

this could be one to watch, I reckon.
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so, Wednesday COULD be it then?

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Lol... That dark spot (coronal hole)on the sun looks like a Chicken. Is the Sun trying to tell us its gonna play a game of Chicken with us during the VenusTransit??? What does it all mean? McFLyyyyy??? Anybody??? XD
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I am ready to be bathed in plasma!

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'A planet’s magnetosphere is the region in space surrounding the planet where its magnetic field dominates. Under the influence of the solar wind it is compressed on the sunward side of the planet and stretches away behind the planet like a comet’s tail. The early Mariner spacecraft provided a surprise when they found an extensive ‘cometary’ magnetotail stretching behind Venus along the Sun-Venus line. It is longer than that found for any other planet. The ‘scale length’ of the tail is about 700, compared to Earth’s less than 300. [The scale length is the tail length divided by the size of the planet's magnetosphere. In the case of Earth, the tail wake stretches for 3000 Earth radii (RE) and the magnetosphere varies between 10 and 15 RE]. Later, it was discovered that the tail of Venus survived to the Earth’s orbit, where it was described as being composed of ‘stringy things.’ Those ‘stringy things’ are diagnostic of Birkeland currents flowing between Venus and the Earth.'

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'The magnetic flux of the solar wind appears to interact directly with the ionosphere of Venus. This was not anticipated either, and is unlike all other planets in the solar family. Spikes in the Pioneer Venus orbiter magnetometer readings were interpreted as twisted magnetic field lines wrapped around each other like ropes. Alternatively, the magnetic field spikes may be induced in the ionosphere by electric current flows in the solar wind. Once again, the twisted magnetic ropes herald field-aligned Birkeland currents flowing between the Sun and Venus.'

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'The principal difficulty in understanding the origin of lightning is due to the assumption that the Earth and Venus are closed electrical systems with no input from the solar plasma environment via the magnetosphere. The Venusian ionosphere is directly coupled to the solar wind. Intense airglow emission in long wavelength UV was observed to occupy a large volume of the ionosphere on both the day and night sides of the planet. The intensity seems to be linked to solar activity. I would therefore expect lightning activity on Venus to be generated, not from cloud motions, but from electrical input originating in the Sun.'

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much more at link..

[link to www.holoscience.com]

if a huge solar event happens just as venus transits, it could act as a bridge. anyone considered that?
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bump Great concept regarding the plasma tail on Venus during the transit. That along with the strong coronal hole winds we are about to face & the small CME which may be geoeffective, with whatever the hell else may be going on, and we might be having a plasma party.

Thank you OP for bringing this to our attention. :)

Last Edited by Vesper33 on 06/03/2012 07:32 PM
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i think Wednesday is plausible short term doom. i really do.

venus transits on wednesday, and we are due to 'interact' with a coronal hole on the 5th-7th?

hello!!
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let's assume a huge electrical discharge does, with the help of a huge solar event connecting to the earth via Venus, happen on Wednesday.

where would you be SAFE? where would you be in DANGER?

[link to eclipse.gsfc.nasa.gov]

west africa and east south america look good for safety

us here in the UK will just catch the end of the transit as the sun rises.

odds are any huge electrical discharge will most likely hit areas that see the entire transit?

any lightning bolt would take half an hour approximately to reach the earth from the sun, via Venus as the speed of lightning is about 60000 mph according to this link..

[link to www.newton.dep.anl.gov]

good luck. now, where did i put the tinfoil....
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Re: Venus` Plasmatail could engulf Earth in upcoming Transit
let's assume a huge electrical discharge does, with the help of a huge solar event connecting to the earth via Venus, happen on Wednesday.

where would you be SAFE? where would you be in DANGER?

[link to eclipse.gsfc.nasa.gov]

west africa and east south america look good for safety

us here in the UK will just catch the end of the transit as the sun rises.

odds are any huge electrical discharge will most likely hit areas that see the entire transit?

any lightning bolt would take half an hour approximately to reach the earth from the sun, via Venus as the speed of lightning is about 60000 miles per SECOND according to this link..

[link to www.newton.dep.anl.gov]

good luck. now, where did i put the tinfoil....
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17305827


corrected to 60000 miles per second for the speed of lightning.
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How long will it take Venus to transit from one side to the other?
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2004 sun Venus Transit

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17146402


nice catch, could have been lightning though (probably not from a cosmic thunderbolt ;)... The white spot on Venus is quite interesting.
 Quoting: Nacht im Walde


^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^at 1:09 + ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
wtf

Going to be an interesting week. Keep looking up.
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How long will it take Venus to transit from one side to the other?
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7 hours

more interesting shit for you..

''The Lightning-hurling eye

One of the more curious beliefs surrounding the lightning holds that it emanates from the region of the sun or, more specifically, from a sky-god's eye. This idea is well attested in ancient Greece, where it was believed that Zeus could produce lightning from his eye. Aeschylus, for example, wrote as follows of the Greek thundergod: "The jealous eye of God hurls the lightning down." The same conception is implicit in Euripedes' Bacchae: "Unveil the Lightning's eye."

Numerous scholars have observed that the image of Zeus casting lightning from his eye corresponds to a widespread belief. In Hindu tradition, for example, Shiva was said to have been capable of throwing lightning from his third eye, located in the center of his head.

Various cultures in Africa hold that lightning emanates from the sky-god's eye. The Masai, for example, describe lightning as the "dreadful glance" of Ngai's eye.

Similar beliefs are attested amongst native peoples in North America. The Pawnee of the Nebraskan plains identify lightning with the "glance" of the thundergod Paruksti. In Iroquois lore, it is said that when Thunder gets angry lightning flashes from his eye. Other tribes, such as the Cree and Tlingit, describe the Thunderbird as capable of sending forth "lightnings from his eyes." The Chumash Indians of Northern California report analogous traditions: there the twin gods known as the Thunderers shoot lightning from their eyes. As to the popularity of this motif, Frazer remarks that "it is a common notion with the American Indians that thunder and lightning are caused by the flapping of the wings and the flashing of the eyes of a gigantic bird."

[link to www.maverickscience.com]

now, look at figure three just underneath that paragraph..

[link to www.maverickscience.com]

and figure four..

[link to www.maverickscience.com]

this is the paragraph that goes with those images..

''It is instructive at this point to review the evidence from prehistoric rock art. Consider the pictograph shown in figure three. As we have documented, this image was commonly thought to depict the sun-god's "eye." This very image, in fact, is depicted on countless cylinder seals from ancient Mesopotamia, where it serves to symbolize Shamash, the Semitic sun-god. Closely related forms are depicted in figure four. Here the inner "eye" of the ancient sun-god is associated with a number of radiating filaments. The first image in figure four is particularly relevant here. Notice the wavy nature of the radiating spokes, suggesting streaming or radiant energy of some sort. It stands to reason that the widespread traditions of ophthalmic lightning have some reference to the pictographs in question and to the celestial phenomenon depicted therein, however we are to understand the "lightning" from a physical or energetic standpoint. ''

remind you of anything?

[link to www.sott.net]
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Very interesting posts AC17305827

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