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Fla Court Sets Hearing On Obama Ballot Challenge For June 18, 2012 - Judge Lewis States "Natural Born Citizen" Definition Will Be Decided

 
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Fla Court Sets Hearing On Obama Ballot Challenge For June 18, 2012 - Judge Lewis States "Natural Born Citizen" Definition Will Be Decided
TALLAHASSEE, Fla., June 1, 2012 -- /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- Activist attorney Larry Klayman announced today that Judge Terry Lewis of Leon County, FL has set a hearing on June 18th, 2012 at 9:00am to hear arguments from both sides about whether the eligibility of President Barack Hussein Obama can be determined in open court. Judge Lewis made crucial rulings in the famous Bush v. Gore case in 2000, in which Mr. Klayman participated.

During the hearing over discovery issues, which Mr. Klayman wants to take the week of June 18, Judge Lewis noted that Mr. Klayman's brief cited legal authority that a president, to be eligible, must have two U.S. citizen parents, but President Obama and the other defendants cited no authority to the contrary. Mr. Klayman had cited the U.S. Supreme Court case of Minor v. Happersett, 88 U.S. 162 (1875). Judge Lewis ordered further briefing on this issue prior to the hearing.


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Re: Fla Court Sets Hearing On Obama Ballot Challenge For June 18, 2012 - Judge Lewis States "Natural Born Citizen" Definition Will Be Decided
The case is entitled Voeltz v. Obama, et. al. (No. 2012 CA 467) and is being heard in the Circuit Court Of The Second Judicial Circuit In And For Leon County, Florida.

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Re: Fla Court Sets Hearing On Obama Ballot Challenge For June 18, 2012 - Judge Lewis States "Natural Born Citizen" Definition Will Be Decided
OP...what do you think
pushed under the rug?

if he is off the ballot for Fl.
will other states follow?

will obama take teh dive? sit it out like Gore?
look at the mess for the La state convention yesterday!

they went through 2 chairs for the convention ... 1 delegate the chairman of the convention rules and the first chair of the convention both were assaulted by the police and ended up it the hospital!

we are seeing a complete breakdown in the voting system now!

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a good video editor can make anyone say anything the editor wants.
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So far, demonic forces have done EVERYTHING possible to keep the ineligible un-American monster IN the White House.

I've almost lost hope, as agencies like the FBI and CIA SEEM complicit in allowing a foreigner to rule us, don't they ?
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Watch and see how the "definition makers" (judges) will change the already defined legal term to meet their agenda.

All I ever needed to know about legalism and the current system was summed up by Slick Willie (Bill Clinton).

"That depends on what your definition of 'is' is./i] Responding to Congress' questioning during the impeachment hearings.

When you control the definitions, you control everything in commercial law.

This should be fun to watch.

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Re: Fla Court Sets Hearing On Obama Ballot Challenge For June 18, 2012 - Judge Lewis States "Natural Born Citizen" Definition Will Be Decided
OP...what do you think
pushed under the rug?

if he is off the ballot for Fl.
will other states follow?

will obama take teh dive? sit it out like Gore?
look at the mess for the La state convention yesterday!

they went through 2 chairs for the convention ... 1 delegate the chairman of the convention rules and the first chair of the convention both were assaulted by the police and ended up it the hospital!

we are seeing a complete breakdown in the voting system now!
 Quoting: psyoptics


Yes psyoptics. I saw you thread.

It seems that there is a bunch of "breakdowns" going on this month.

I don't have a clue what will come of this case. I skimmed through wiki on natural born citizen and am still confused. I searched sites on the web and am not convinced that this will be a ruling against Obama.

Another thing that caught my eye in that PR release.... "in open court". What could be the meaning behind that?

One has to be detached and not let this breakdown stuff get to you. Just enjoy the show! ;)
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So far, demonic forces have done EVERYTHING possible to keep the ineligible un-American monster IN the White House.

I've almost lost hope, as agencies like the FBI and CIA SEEM complicit in allowing a foreigner to rule us, don't they ?
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FBI and CIA are completely evil have done nothing good for the world ever and really work for the crown. What would you expect?
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Re: Fla Court Sets Hearing On Obama Ballot Challenge For June 18, 2012 - Judge Lewis States "Natural Born Citizen" Definition Will Be Decided
Watch and see how the "definition makers" (judges) will change the already defined legal term to meet their agenda.

All I ever needed to know about legalism and the current system was summed up by Slick Willie (Bill Clinton).

"That depends on what your definition of 'is' is./i] Responding to Congress' questioning during the impeachment hearings.

When you control the definitions, you control everything in commercial law.

This should be fun to watch.

708
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Good attitude!
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So far, demonic forces have done EVERYTHING possible to keep the ineligible un-American monster IN the White House.

I've almost lost hope, as agencies like the FBI and CIA SEEM complicit in allowing a foreigner to rule us, don't they ?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1222180


FBI and CIA are completely evil have done nothing good for the world ever and really work for the crown. What would you expect?
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An organization is not necessarily evil. The people within the organization are taking orders. Most I am sure are not evil themselves. It is the people at the top that decide what actions and policies that the employees are guided by. And they usually have agendas. Just my take....

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During the hearing over discovery issues, which Mr. Klayman wants to take the week of June 18, Judge Lewis noted that Mr. Klayman's brief cited legal authority that a president, to be eligible, must have two U.S. citizen parents,
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um, isn't Mits father Mexican?
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Why would someone rate this a one star when an article in the newspaper was posted. geez.... such silliness.
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Re: Fla Court Sets Hearing On Obama Ballot Challenge For June 18, 2012 - Judge Lewis States "Natural Born Citizen" Definition Will Be Decided
During the hearing over discovery issues, which Mr. Klayman wants to take the week of June 18, Judge Lewis noted that Mr. Klayman's brief cited legal authority that a president, to be eligible, must have two U.S. citizen parents,
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um, isn't Mits father Mexican?
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Not sure myself. I did read somewhere that he was a citizen. No clue really.
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During the hearing over discovery issues, which Mr. Klayman wants to take the week of June 18, Judge Lewis noted that Mr. Klayman's brief cited legal authority that a president, to be eligible, must have two U.S. citizen parents,
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um, isn't Mits father Mexican?
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Yes, he is Mexican!!!!

And ole Mitt will get the same pass O did, and will forcefully continue the decline.

SQ said there is no political solution. I'm trying to disbelieve that, but I can't.....

Get your popcorn and watch the collapse... and watch as all the scum politicians start turning on each other (evil does that to itself...).

They'll do themselves in!! Can't wait!! :)
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At least this particular case is approaching the issue under the correct legal precedent. But sorry folks, it ain't goin' nowhere...
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Does anything good come out of Florida anymore?
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At least this particular case is approaching the issue under the correct legal precedent. But sorry folks, it ain't goin' nowhere...
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Chip, I tend to feel the same.... the nowhere part. At least I hope this lawyer will conduct himself in a professional manner and have all his ducks in a row. I can't bear to see or hear another sloppy presentation, a back room decision, or one get annihilated in court over this birther issue. It gets weary!
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Does anything good come out of Florida anymore?
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I've been thinking on that one... still working on it! haha
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Under the Law of Nations he was born british no matter who is mother was.

Bye bye.
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So much for Mitt Romney if that decision comes down against Obama.
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Re: Fla Court Sets Hearing On Obama Ballot Challenge For June 18, 2012 - Judge Lewis States "Natural Born Citizen" Definition Will Be Decided
During the hearing over discovery issues, which Mr. Klayman wants to take the week of June 18, Judge Lewis noted that Mr. Klayman's brief cited legal authority that a president, to be eligible, must have two U.S. citizen parents,
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um, isn't Mits father Mexican?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2021744


Yes, he is Mexican!!!!

And ole Mitt will get the same pass O did, and will forcefully continue the decline.

SQ said there is no political solution. I'm trying to disbelieve that, but I can't.....

Get your popcorn and watch the collapse... and watch as all the scum politicians start turning on each other (evil does that to itself...).

They'll do themselves in!! Can't wait!! :)
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1177803


it doesn't matter where the father was born (although, how did he run for president back in teh day?) as he is now a US citizen


Mitt was born in the US to 2 US citizen parents
therefore, he is natural born

Obama's father never became a US citizen at any point

Obama is a citizen (maybe? actually, he is more likely an Indonesian citizen--he never re-naturalized after giving up his US citizenship to become an Indonesian citizen)

but Obama can never be a "natural born" citizen

or native

natural born/natives are born in the country to 2 citizen parents

they both suck though

I hear Ron Paul was born in the US to 2 US citizen parents
Pick him!!
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Another judge will fold.
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Re: Fla Court Sets Hearing On Obama Ballot Challenge For June 18, 2012 - Judge Lewis States "Natural Born Citizen" Definition Will Be Decided
TALLAHASSEE, Fla., June 1, 2012 -- /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- Activist attorney Larry Klayman announced today that Judge Terry Lewis of Leon County, FL has set a hearing on June 18th, 2012 at 9:00am to hear arguments from both sides about whether the eligibility of President Barack Hussein Obama can be determined in open court. Judge Lewis made crucial rulings in the famous Bush v. Gore case in 2000, in which Mr. Klayman participated.

During the hearing over discovery issues, which Mr. Klayman wants to take the week of June 18, Judge Lewis noted that Mr. Klayman's brief cited legal authority that a president, to be eligible, must have two U.S. citizen parents, but President Obama and the other defendants cited no authority to the contrary. Mr. Klayman had cited the U.S. Supreme Court case of Minor v. Happersett, 88 U.S. 162 (1875). Judge Lewis ordered further briefing on this issue prior to the hearing.


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Barack Obama can't legally be the president because his Kenyan father was never a U.S. citizen.

Besides that, Barack Obama's birth certificate is fake and fraudulent.

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Layer upon layer: Opening Obama's birth certificate in Adobe Illustrator


1.Tiny fragments the same color as the safety paper pattern on the top edge just left of center

2.Tiny fragments the same color as the safety paper pattern on the top edge just above the certification date

3.The letters "Non" from the word None in box 17a.

4."AUG - 8 196" - part of a stamped date in box 20.

5."AUG - 8" and the digit 6 in 1961in box 22.

6."APR 25 2011" at the bottom left of the page.

7.The certification stamp of the state registrar at the bottom right.

8.Most of the remaining typed letters on the form, the handwritten dates, and the last half of Ann Dunham Obama's name.

9.Everything else -- the safety paper pattern, with white ghosts or haloes around the letters were first half of Ann Stanley Obama's signature, the signature of the Physician, all but one letter of the original registrar's signature, the form grid, and scattered letters -- the R in Barack, the K in Kenya, the S in Stanley, the last digit of the sequence number in the upper left of the page, and the handwritten numbers (which look like coding for statistical purposes)


[link to www.batesline.com]

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Thread: Cover-Up: Immigration Records Missing for Week of Obama's Birth!

Thread: BREAKING only INS records for ONLY FOR week of OBAMA'S BIRTH MISSING!!!!

Thread: Critical Immigration records missing from the National Archives!!!

Hopefully there will be a judge that finally realizes this.
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^^^^^^^Ha ha ha .An Adobe document will only reveal the layers of another Adobe-created document. If one were to SCAN an Adobe created document, or an original document (non digital),when opened in an Adobe program Adobe is no longer able to dissect the layers of an original Adobe document. Which proves that the purported BC was an Adobe fabrication.A SCAN of the original BC>>>> to any Adobe platform would not reveal any such layers unless changes were made to the scan.Imagine trying to write to a CD rom- DVDrom- after it has been finalized, if you get my drift.
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^^^^^^^Ha ha ha .An Adobe document will only reveal the layers of another Adobe-created document. If one were to SCAN an Adobe created document, or an original document (non digital),when opened in an Adobe program Adobe is no longer able to dissect the layers of an original Adobe document. Which proves that the purported BC was an Adobe fabrication.A SCAN of the original BC>>>> to any Adobe platform would not reveal any such layers unless changes were made to the scan.Imagine trying to write to a CD rom- DVDrom- after it has been finalized, if you get my drift.
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Moron, it wasn't even scanned in Adobe, but yes, layers will be made by PDFS created by other programs..
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Birther morons: doing the same thing 181 times in a row expecting 181 to be different from 1.
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Re: Official Bliderberg 2012 Attendee List
TRAITOR....MITCH DANIEL OF INDIANA

TRUST NO ONE!
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WTF is he doing there!!!!!!!
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INDIANAPOLIS -- Gov. Mitch Daniels was to come home Friday from an appearance at the little-known and somewhat mysterious Bilderberg Meeting.

Daniels spoke on a panel at the event in Chantilly, Va., but neither the governor's office nor Bilderberg would say what the panel was about. The conference started Thursday and will continue though Sunday.

[link to www.indystar.com]????????????????????????????????????????????​?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????​?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????​?>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>president?". CNN.
^ Volokh, Eugene (November 18, 2009), "Indiana Court of Appeals Rejects Claim That 'Because His Father Was a Citizen of the United Kingdom, President Obama Is [Not a Natural Born Citizen and Therefore] Constitutionally Ineligible to Assume the Office of the President'", The Volokh Conspiracy, retrieved May 3, 2011..................well,maybe
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Anyone that thinks Vattel is part of this discussion is more braindead than Biden.

Natural Born is based, in most cases, on Jus Soli. The only people that don't know that are birthers and their lawyers.
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Anyone that thinks Vattel is part of this discussion is more braindead than Biden.

Natural Born is based, in most cases, on Jus Soli. The only people that don't know that are birthers and their lawyers.
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Many of their lawyers know, too... but they like making $$$$$
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White House PDF not run with OCR

"A second computer software expert has submitted to WND a report, seen here in its entirety, that concludes the White House-released PDF could have been created in Adobe Illustrator or Photoshop, even if the final PDF was created by Mac Preview on an Apple computer using the MacOSX operating system.

This expert also insisted on remaining anonymous, fearing retailiation from Adobe or the Adobe community.

Typically, Obama supporters have observed that effects such as the multiple layers easily seen in the Obama PDF file through Adobe Illustrator were caused by optimizing the file with Optical Character Recognition software.

This second technical report concludes OCR software was not run on the White House-released PDF, because the file has no information in the “Fonts” field of the "Properties" tab when it is examined in Adobe Acrobat."

"The point is that OCR software is designed to read words in an electronic file into a table so that the words can be manipulated by word-processing software. Failure to generate fonts in the White House-released PDF is evidence OCR software was not run on the file, the expert argues."

"I then saved the Illustrator file as an Adobe PDF, opened that PDF in Apple's Preview application and printed to PDF," the expert explains. "That approach comes closest to matching the attributes of the birth certificate PDF: bitmap plus continuous-tone content, some vector content, no embedded fonts and the Preview application stamp."

The expert concludes that the White House-released PDF was not a simple scan, as represented by the White House.

"I can only speculate on what’s been done to produce the file as we see it," the expert writes. "But, in my opinion, the supplied PDF is not a pristine scan simply enveloped in a PDF wrapper. It's been touched by other processes."

[link to www.wnd.com]

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^^^^^^^Ha ha ha .An Adobe document will only reveal the layers of another Adobe-created document. If one were to SCAN an Adobe created document, or an original document (non digital),when opened in an Adobe program Adobe is no longer able to dissect the layers of an original Adobe document. Which proves that the purported BC was an Adobe fabrication.A SCAN of the original BC>>>> to any Adobe platform would not reveal any such layers unless changes were made to the scan.Imagine trying to write to a CD rom- DVDrom- after it has been finalized, if you get my drift.
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Moron, it wasn't even scanned in Adobe, but yes, layers will be made by PDFS created by other programs..
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Moron, where did I say that "it" was scanned in Adobe? I said > if....scanned, then opened in Adobe. What was it "scanned" in ?and how did it end up as an Adobe type document? Please share with me. I'm willing to learn.

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