Ron Paul supporter has fingers broken, another has his hip displocated, at contested Louisiana GOP convention!!

Also from the link, WOW!


According to a witness at the convention, after Alex Helwig, the newly elected chair, was arrested, another chairperson was elected and the convention continued and finished all business, including electing national delegates. Ron Paul supporters are filing a civil rights abuse lawsuit against the GOP.

It was the same person, he was asked to leave and refused, then decided to get silly with the police so they had to use force to restrain and remove him.

just so you know there are 2 threads well covering this..
i have one that went right at the voting issues not taking any sides.
and one that jumpped on to this is all about paul.

Is this how democracy works in Israel too?

but well i am here.
FREAKING eat your BS flag one man was not justr a delegate.
Alex Helwig, chairman of the Rules Committee

the first chair of the convention had him removed for questioning the rules being used.


then minutes later after the entire floor voted that chair out and started the convention over with a new chair on the other side of the hall.
the new chair had the 1st chair removed.

Mr. Herford was the old man dropped to the floor and is now in need of a hip replacement. he was the first convention chair....the guy who call the police in to have the other man removed...i known it is hard to keep up with it all.

what is blowing my mind here is the police. come by order of alex the first chair to remover someone....then minutes later they attacked alex????? how in gods green acres can that happen? how and why, why use such force on a older man when there were other screaming to not hurt him....then bame down he goes...please tell me why did the police do that?

I didnt say anything about delegates just that it was one person who sustained minor injuries while being restrained for refusing to leave, rather than 2 people as the thread title is trying to make out.

Alex Helwig was the chair of the rules committee.
it all started when he question the rules Mr. Herford was following. Helwig was the paul supporting delegate....Herford was the original chair of the convention. mostly Herford was not a paul supporter!

edit sorry he was voted the convention chair then assaulted.
but he was the chairperson of the rules committee at the start

Last Edited by psyoptics on 06/03/2012 10:36 AM

Yeah - the popular vote means nothing here too.
I commend what Ron Paul is doing, and the supporters, however you really are making a mockery of Democracy. I guess thats why the USA is a republic ;)

read my post!!!
two men both assaulted by the police. 2 videos! 2 different issues. one was the chair of the rules comittee. and did not like the 1st chair's changing the rules. that was his job and right to speak....so it was not right for the chair too call in the police then.

that is video 1


video 2 is the assault of mr herford. the old man.

Last Edited by psyoptics on 06/03/2012 10:48 AM

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this is all falling apart!

Just got back from the convention. Here is a quick summary. 2 days before the convention the LAGOP sent supplemental rules to the delegates and an affidavit that had to be notarized (if running for National delegate) and returned by 9:45 am the day of the convention. Needless to say the supplemental rules were made to thwart democracy (and included items that the delegates could not elect a chair, etc.).


The meeting convened and within a minute a person asked for a point of information to define what would be a quorum or majority vote. The chair (Villere) answered it was to be 3/4. Then a person stood (the chair for our District) and tried to be recognized by the chair. The chair refused to recognize the delegate standing and was trying to pass the credential and rule reports as fast as possible and without any participation. I believe the chair even stated there could be no discussions or objections.


Another person rose to be recognized by the chair and stated that he was elected as the Chair to the rules committee - not the person presented at the podium. The person at the podium tried to continue to discuss the rules report as the person on the floor stated he was the Chair for the Rules committee.

Villere (still acting as chair) asked sergeants of arms to remove the man on the floor from the convention. He was removed rather harshly and was hurt.


this was when the first video happened!
the police leave.
then it goes on!

Then someone made the motion to elect Alex Helwig as our new chair, which passed by a majority of the votes with all the delegates participating. At that point we turned our chairs around to face the newly elected chair and began to conduct business including roll call.

Villere asked that the microphone we were using be turned off. The assembly of delegates indicted he was no longer chair and had no authority. Villere asked the police to step in and remove the chair and take the microphone.

At that point the police were very forceful with the man. He stated he was handicapped (had a hip replacement) but they shoved him and he was on the ground until the medics came.

this is when the second video happened.
again the police crash in and hurt a chairman...that would be 2 chairs down and still going!


the is getting pretty violent folks!
this is not good!!!!!!!!!

Last Edited by psyoptics on 06/03/2012 10:39 AM

Why?

As an outsider, this kind of thing makes you wonder how many delegates Ron Paul really has on his side.

The media says it's over, Romney won and now has to face Obama.

Why all the new rules? Why the police intervention? Why not just let these meaningless conventions take place naturally.

Hell, Romney people never cared about delegates before, why be so psycotic after the fact?

Seems to me there must be SOMETHING to the "delegate strategy" or the GOP wouldn't even give a fuck.

Godamn this Tampa convention is going to be interesting!

And a note to Republicans..

America is supposed to be the shining example in the World. Where the people can operate their voting processes without fear and with dignity and pride.

At this point, Republicans, you're making America look like fools and you should be ashamed of yourselves.

And to the police called to these conventions...

You're there to enforce the laws of the United States, not the rules of the GOP.

Stay the fuck out of it, let these children play their game. Get involved when they put their hands on each other or a riot forms.

You are NOT there to enforce political party rules.

You make a good point, according to the article I cannot link to on Yahoo news because it's one of the news sources that's not allowed, they were off-duty police officers acting as security?

OP, I knew that neo-cons won't ever let RP win, but if what you say is true... it's worse than I thought.

FYI, I don't ever agree with each of RP's political viewpoints but I deeply respect him, nevertheless. He's a genuine and sincere man.

Fuck this shit!

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Sorry, I did not see them! I have not been on much over the weekend because I am working in the garden.

This is a comment on a Yahoo news article, can anyone verify?



God War • New Orleans, Louisiana • 11 hrs ago

The chairman was put in place 24 hours earlier by the LAGOP bending the rules. Then when the Paul supporters protested, they were told by the GOP corrupts that they had changed the rules and only required a 1/3 quorum to enact their chairman.

2/3s of the room then held a legal vote and voted in Herford and that's when the poor loser called the police and had them beat up Herford. They are saying in this article he was "arrested" but I'm not sure what they could arrest him for. He didn't do anything wrong.

They dragged Herford out of there on a gurney and the rest of the delegates turned their chairs away from the losing chairman and continued on.

What was the outcome of this convention?

31 out of 46 delegate were up for grabs (5 to mitt and 10 to santorum already having been decided)..

I havn't been able t find here those 31 went.

Wow the graft and corruption is rampant, out-in-the-open now.. These bastards are boldly usurping the process and shamelessly breaking rules. Can't say as I'm surprised, I guess..

Villere should have been removed and arrested. Sick.

Wow.

it is a citizen right you should stand with any american on these types of things both parties arecorupt...

"When those rule changes were released to several of the delegates on Friday, they were not in keeping of ideas of liberty and democracy," she said. Ron Paul supporters claim the new delegation rules make selecting delegates for the national convention in Tampa unfair.

"For example, one of the rule changes were that 1/3 of the delegation would constitute a quorum," Barnard said. "Nowhere does any public body or any seated body does 1/3 constitute a quorum."

The minority convention claims otherwise.

"All we're saying is the Republicans of Louisiana are going to know what we did, they are going to accept what we did," Minority Convention Credential Committee Chairman Jeff Giles said. "They're going to say, oh, y'all were being fair. Y'all were making sure Romney got his 5 delegates and Santorum got his 10."

Giles says the rule change was to prevent Ron Paul supporters from stealing Romney and Santorum delegates.

"We just tightened up the rules. We made it more responsible so that delegates for those candidates would be elected," he said. "Instead of Ron Paul people posing as supporters of those candidates."

More at [link to www.ktbs.com]

Last Edited by Laura Bow on 06/03/2012 01:21 PM

Here's one YT link.
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Of course, a vote for anyone else is a vote for Global War and a dIY Body Bag.

Louisiana is MAD and NOT gonna take it anymore!

Kind of like changing the rules in the middle of the game when you realize you won't win.

Sheldon, there was NO justification for him to be asked to leave.

Roberts Rules of Order:
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5 stars and Green headed your way OP.