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The Lady you Meet on Salvia

 
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Drugs royally screw up your reasoning abilities and this will cause nothing but a life time of loneliness from failing to relate to people on a personal level... even with your loved ones.


Short term pleasure for a life time of pain. 1dunno1
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Sir, I understand your point. But we're not just talking about drugs. This is salvia. If you have not experienced the level of a "trip" the OP is talking about then don't bother to join the conversation. There is no pleasure from this drug. I wholly believe it is a totally grey experience.

I did not see this woman on either of my 2 experiences. The omnipotent will manifest in many ways, or none at all. I felt like I was planeshifting, mayhaps you visit "her plane". I felt as though I lived someone else's life. Then I ran into an old crossing guard lady from my childhood, who dropped some knowledge on me without speaking. I came back to, then dropped to the rug, felt my consciousness turn sideways, where I discovered that there was another dimension/reality there, where I have stayed since.

Haha, I love sounding like a crazy person when I talk about that experience..
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The big question is, does the drug make you hallucinate, or does the drug allow you to see reality?

I mean, is it affecting our brain in a negative manner (nothing more than chemical induced hallucination), or is it allowing our brain to actually operate at higher performance than "normal", thereby lifting the veil of what we know as reality?
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Hi AC 9569, thank you for posing your question. Can you see the paradox of your question? It is all a matter of perception. Yes, it lifts a veil.

As I said, the elves are always waiting for me to return, and I'm the one that has left, not them. She is always there waiting for when I remember.
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I did 60x extract quite a few times, but never saw or felt this lady you speak of. In fact, I can't describe anything that I saw as it seemed beyond my comprehension. The feeling I got from it though coincides with the feeling of being in a completely different dimension. The last time I did salvia it was as if the consciousness controlling my body had disconnected itself from this reality.

After that experience, I have read many speculative accounts that this entire existence is just a simulation that our higher being is going through. That we are immortal and are only in this realm to experience, not just mortality, but every other aspect good and bad that we get here in the human experience. After that experience, that thought sounds much more plausible because on that trip especially, it felt like me but it didn't. Like I was something much more, but still me. I didn't encounter any other beings on the trip but it all felt very familiar. In fact, every other trip I had on salvia seemed beyond my comprehension, yet also incredibly familiar.
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Also, I'm a guy. I was doing it for fun back during those experiences, but that last time doing it is what got me started on this spiritual "quest" I am on now.
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Thank you for taking the time to share your amazing account of your experiences. I like what you said, "this entire existence is just a simulation that our higher being is going through. "

Also, "seemed beyond my comprehension, yet also incredibly familiar." I love this! This is something we know, but do not have the power comprehend within this plane. May you find the truth you seek on your spiritual quest.
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Drugs royally screw up your reasoning abilities and this will cause nothing but a life time of loneliness from failing to relate to people on a personal level... even with your loved ones.


Short term pleasure for a life time of pain. 1dunno1
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Sir, I understand your point. But we're not just talking about drugs. This is salvia. If you have not experienced the level of a "trip" the OP is talking about then don't bother to join the conversation. There is no pleasure from this drug. I wholly believe it is a totally grey experience.

I did not see this woman on either of my 2 experiences. The omnipotent will manifest in many ways, or none at all. I felt like I was planeshifting, mayhaps you visit "her plane". I felt as though I lived someone else's life. Then I ran into an old crossing guard lady from my childhood, who dropped some knowledge on me without speaking. I came back to, then dropped to the rug, felt my consciousness turn sideways, where I discovered that there was another dimension/reality there, where I have stayed since.

Haha, I love sounding like a crazy person when I talk about that experience..
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Thank you for your thoughtful words to describe your experiene AC 9030. You use your words with a larity that I cannot. Especially love "felt my consciousness turn sideways" Are you male or female? if you would like to respond. Thanks again!
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Drugs royally screw up your reasoning abilities and this will cause nothing but a life time of loneliness from failing to relate to people on a personal level... even with your loved ones.


Short term pleasure for a life time of pain. 1dunno1
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I'm guilty of ordering 1 gram of concentrated 50x salvia last year without knowing a whole lot about it for recreational purposes.I ordered it from a smoke shop.It was the ecstacy brand.It was in black gummy tar form.I got it for me & my wife to experience.I don't think we smoked it right.We just put it in the 2 hitter pipe we had been smoking the potpouri in.

I took big hits & really didn't experience anything worthy.
My wife on the other hand took a few big hits before me &
at first she became completely still as if frozen.
Then she started looking like she was mad or with a scared look on her face. I started calling her name because she was scaring me & then within a minute or so later she came back.
We had our small radio on & she said she felt like she was outside of her body & the music was really loud like everything else did not exsist but her & the radio until she started hearing me call her name.

What did we do wrong to not experience it like we should had.
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Drugs royally screw up your reasoning abilities and this will cause nothing but a life time of loneliness from failing to relate to people on a personal level... even with your loved ones.


Short term pleasure for a life time of pain. 1dunno1
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I'm guilty of ordering 1 gram of concentrated 50x salvia last year without knowing a whole lot about it for recreational purposes.I ordered it from a smoke shop.It was the ecstacy brand.It was in black gummy tar form.I got it for me & my wife to experience.I don't think we smoked it right.We just put it in the 2 hitter pipe we had been smoking the potpouri in.

I took big hits & really didn't experience anything worthy.
My wife on the other hand took a few big hits before me &
at first she became completely still as if frozen.
Then she started looking like she was mad or with a scared look on her face. I started calling her name because she was scaring me & then within a minute or so later she came back.
We had our small radio on & she said she felt like she was outside of her body & the music was really loud like everything else did not exsist but her & the radio until she started hearing me call her name.

What did we do wrong to not experience it like we should had?
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The big question is, does the drug make you hallucinate, or does the drug allow you to see reality?

I mean, is it affecting our brain in a negative manner (nothing more than chemical induced hallucination), or is it allowing our brain to actually operate at higher performance than "normal", thereby lifting the veil of what we know as reality?
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Hi AC 9569, thank you for posing your question. Can you see the paradox of your question? It is all a matter of perception. Yes, it lifts a veil.

As I said, the elves are always waiting for me to return, and I'm the one that has left, not them. She is always there waiting for when I remember.
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I didn't mean for it to be a paradoxical question. What I meant, is that only 1 of 2 things can be happening:

1. The drug simply alters your perception, meaning you remain in waking reality, or what we know as "normal" consciousness, and the chemical makeup of the drug is simply causing hallucination..

OR

2. The drug is actually allowing the brain to operate at a higher level, a level that the human brain is capable of but not typical.

For example, if you've read anything by Dr. Timothy Leary about his experiences and/or experiments, he presented the hypothesis that during normal, day to day waking consciousness, we are using only a small portion of our brains capability and are therefore bound to this human/earth "reality". However, instead of an LSD trip being mere side effects of LSD ingestion, the LSD is believed to be a "key" that unlocks or enables a higher level of cerebral activity, allowing us to experience increased senses and abilities that are far beyond the capabilities of an ordinary human in ordinary waking consciousness.


Now, personally, I believe #2 to be the answer. The familiarity of the places we visit while on LSD, DMT, Psilocybin and Salvia trips are not simple coincidence. The brain itself is not going to react to a drug by displaying visual, audial and physical sensations that are recognizable to us as "another dimension" when we have supposedly never been there before. More than mere hallucinations, these experiences, IMO, are severely spiritual and beneficial to those who can learn to embrace the experience.

The first times I tripped when I was in my teens, I simply tripped, for fun, and had wild experiences. But I wasn't looking for or expecting anything spiritual. I also didn't have the knowledge about Leary's writings or anything similar.

Once research is done, once someone understands the possibilities of these drugs and THEN uses them with the intention of searching for answers, many things begin to make sense.

DMT, definitely being the most powerful, is still a mystery to me. The experiences are real, otherworldly and totally NOT of this plane, if you will. It allows for an understanding that there is something bigger, more important, something much more real and true than the lives we occupy as humans each day. It's a small sample of what lies ahead, proof that there is something better after death, and proof that the universe is infinite and there are mysteries that are not meant to be known until we pass our time as a human..

Personally, I want to find answers now, in this lifetime. I want to know the secrets of the universe, etc.. However, there are some things that no matter how close we get, we will never know truthfully. We will never have a definitive answer until we pass this plane/dimension. The beauty of it is that regardless, the curious mind will keep searching for answers. These drugs are something that takes knowledge to a new level, and opens a new plethora of questions. It's enlightening, and a necessary step to take for an individual seeking enlightenment. Without these experiences, there is no way to follow the search for truth.

Great idea for this thread OP.
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Everyones experiences on salvia are different, with some similarities. I would like to know has any one else had this experiene of meeting her, and are you yourself male or female? It would be nice to talk with other people who have met her...



My experienes of smoking salvia have never been negative.

In my experiences, I have been warped to another dimension. Everyone there tells me how long they have been waiting for me, and they are so glad that I'm finally there. They are these little elves, but they are the fabric of the world. This is not something that I could possibly use words to describe, as I said the experience is taking place in another whole dimension

The most profound thing though is her. She is the queen of this dimension, I do not know if I have "seen" her directly or not, but I am positive her presence fills this dimension, and she is the ruler.

They tell me so many things, but as I drift away they take them any say they can't come back with me :(



Thanks!
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Hi OP,


I will start off by thanking you for sharing your experience with us.

You have presented a challenge for me to communicate to you the meaning behind the things you perceived while in this other place we call dimension.

First, as to the queen, it is a curious thing that you cannot know exactly if you've seen her, but nevertheless you're totally aware of her presence filling the dimension.

What I will attempt to convey is that, when the conscious (thinking) mind shuts down, as is the case when on salvia--we are subject to that part of ourselves which does not adhere to logical thought process. Some call this the subconscious mind, but for all intents and purposes, let's just call it the feminine part of our brain, (the right hemisphere). The woman you see is that female part of all creation--it is simply the receptive modality of being, and is represented in magnetism as the negative polarity. When I use the word negative, please understand I am conveying receptivity, and not "badness" of any sort. It simply implies a lack, void, and/or vacuum that draws the positive polarity towards itself.

The nature of this feminine aspect is such that it is the PLACE for all things to eventually come into creation. Think of it as a womb, but personified.

The elves you see are as you put it, "the fabric of the world." In ancient Egypt, these little beings were called "Bez" and they held little axes and were said to have "carved" out all of creation into matter. If you'd like I can go into this a bit more, it is an archetype I am familiar with, however, your post seemed to be more geared towards finding out about the feminine archetype displayed in your experience.

The things they tell you, which you cannot bring back, are your own collective memories and knowledge as a part of ALL existence(s) forever. Essentially, they explain it all--purpose, design, etc. but those explanations cannot adhere to logical thought, therefore when your conscious mind returns to you at the end of the experience, it is all gone. The reason for this is because the subconscious, or feminine mind (which rules the unseen dimension)--does not adhere to logical thought sequencing or Cartesian reality. Everything is displayed immediately through "knowing" and "feeling", ie., it is telepathic and instantaneous. The male part of our brain (left hemisphere) uses verbalization and language to convey meaning, and does not relay information or process it in the same way--this is why you cannot take the information "with" you.

I hope that I have helped you in any small way to better understand your experience, and by extension, yourself. Feel free to ask questions should you have any.

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Salvia tore me out of the matrix and made me painfully aware of..everything. I smoked it like..2 years ago maybe? I became a totally different person after that..almost like a second birth.
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Im a girl.
Did it twice.
First time I asked Bart Simpson "Hows it going?".
He said "Who the hell are you, man?"
I got scared and said "I'm outta here." and I was back in my living room. The thing is, South Park was on the tube. I asked others who were with me if I said anything. They said I just sat there staring into nothing.

The second time, I was fighting it. Spaced out a bit but was trying to "hold on to reality", came back faster than the first time.

Didn't like it, won't do it again. Just not for me, too scary.
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Lady Salvia will visit you through her sacred plant if you are worthy and have an open mind.

M.

I had 20x and it was pretty strong because all you needed to smoke was a small pinch of it.

The first time I smoked salvia I was sitting on my floor by myself. I smoked a bowl of it and forgot where I was and what I was doing for a little bit. I just assumed that I had taken acid. Then I thought 'nah you smoked salvia and it is like acid'. Anyhow, it was pretty neat. I started seeing patterns like what you see in the center of the sunflowers. It was light patterns turning like a portal. I closed my eyes and laid back on the floor and I melted, and sunk deeper, and deeper, through the floor. The next thing I knew I was in a beautiful green tropical jungle. It was a rain forest and I could hear exotic birds, streams, and different animals. Then I saw her, Lady Salvia. She is beautiful with a green glow. It was like she was smiling and watching over me.

I have also seen a Hindu goddess, but that was on mushrooms.

Another fun thing to do on Salvia is watch a thunderstorm with lightening. It may seem scary, but it is really neat watching the lightening in the clouds.

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I've smoked Salvia a few times. I've tried all the different potency's. I've NEVER been transformed to another dimension... I call BS.

I get tunnel vision, my head feels extremely heavy, it's hard to walk without feeling like falling over and before you know it, it's over.

No elves, no lady, no nonsense being discussed in this thread...

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I've smoked Salvia a few times. I've tried all the different potency's. I've NEVER been transformed to another dimension... I call BS.

I get tunnel vision, my head feels extremely heavy, it's hard to walk without feeling like falling over and before you know it, it's over.

No elves, no lady, no nonsense being discussed in this thread...

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Get hold of a plant if its still legal where you are or the salvia divinorum tincture.

I had read a lot into it before I even took some and as I came to learn was that to smoke the plant its an insult!
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I used salvia for a healing I guess back when I was falling apart big time.

I asked for healing in the experiance and experianced many things as well as the healing I went looking for.

But one thing I still can't grasp the meaning and gonna drop this one out here cause someone might be able to shed some light on something for me.

But anyways some time into the experiance my body melted away to nothing and this life as who I am seemed like one of them silly day dreams one has.. and I just started laughing cause it just felt so silly this life!

But this is the weird part for me which I feel has some meaning but can't get it! I became a birds wing and it felt like I was the wing and the air rushing past it.. weird.
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Thank you for sharing, OP.

I did feel a presense but could not see them.

I felt that the loss of my body and my slowly sinking into the floor and becoming flat, was someone else's doing.

It was crazy but real.
What I knew as tangible and real was nothing more than a flimsy, thin sheet of a reality.
I come to know that the real "me" is a supersoul that is my true reality that resides in the spirit world.
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But anyways some time into the experiance my body melted away to nothing and this life as who I am seemed like one of them silly day dreams one has.. and I just started laughing cause it just felt so silly this life!
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The same thing happened to me.

And that is what why most people laugh when on Salvia.
What I knew as tangible and real was nothing more than a flimsy, thin sheet of a reality.
I come to know that the real "me" is a supersoul that is my true reality that resides in the spirit world.
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But anyways some time into the experiance my body melted away to nothing and this life as who I am seemed like one of them silly day dreams one has.. and I just started laughing cause it just felt so silly this life!
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The same thing happened to me.

And that is what why most people laugh when on Salvia.
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It always troubled me that did the laughing part as somewhere I came across some mazatec shaman speaking about the laughing part been I think anyways somewhat insulting.

I tried to curve that part in future experiances but its hard work hehehe

Ok can I ask you.. the place where you melted away too even though you had never done salvia before did you feel like you had been there before?
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The big question is, does the drug make you hallucinate, or does the drug allow you to see reality?

I mean, is it affecting our brain in a negative manner (nothing more than chemical induced hallucination), or is it allowing our brain to actually operate at higher performance than "normal", thereby lifting the veil of what we know as reality?
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The latter.

I am certain

It feels much more real than this flat cartoon book we call world
What I knew as tangible and real was nothing more than a flimsy, thin sheet of a reality.
I come to know that the real "me" is a supersoul that is my true reality that resides in the spirit world.
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What I knew as tangible and real was nothing more than a flimsy, thin sheet of a reality.
I come to know that the real "me" is a supersoul that is my true reality that resides in the spirit world.
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I've smoked Salvia a few times. I've tried all the different potency's. I've NEVER been transformed to another dimension... I call BS.

I get tunnel vision, my head feels extremely heavy, it's hard to walk without feeling like falling over and before you know it, it's over.

No elves, no lady, no nonsense being discussed in this thread...

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no one or thing gives a flying fuck about you or your petty existence
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Have used salvia a time or two. Saw no entities but they were present, they said "it's you" then laughed and I began spinning through a whirlwind of different realities some i recognized some i did not. I have done mass amounts of hallucinogens in my time and salvia is pretty heavy. Brother did it met an entity had a conversation w/ said entity, I was his babysitter, he sat there laughing telling the entity that I didn't get it.
I love the spirit in substances and all substances have a spirit. Datura and salvia spirits are feminine, and though not evil are powerful and malevolent. They deserve the utmost respect and some skepticism, both seem to have an agenda. LSD is a plastic spirit not real hence why it is called a key. I prefer the wisdom of old man mescaline and the alien psylociben <?> both male as I am, both subtle, and I do not feel they have an agenda. DMT I have not done enough to have an opinion
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Everyones experiences on salvia are different, with some similarities. I would like to know has any one else had this experiene of meeting her, and are you yourself male or female? It would be nice to talk with other people who have met her...



My experienes of smoking salvia have never been negative.

In my experiences, I have been warped to another dimension. Everyone there tells me how long they have been waiting for me, and they are so glad that I'm finally there. They are these little elves, but they are the fabric of the world. This is not something that I could possibly use words to describe, as I said the experience is taking place in another whole dimension

The most profound thing though is her. She is the queen of this dimension, I do not know if I have "seen" her directly or not, but I am positive her presence fills this dimension, and she is the ruler.

They tell me so many things, but as I drift away they take them any say they can't come back with me :(



Thanks!
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I tried it and she sung to me...The way she sung put me into a trance or it felt like it. Her voice was beautiful. Her words where telling me to lie down and enter into the vibrations of her sound..The voice was calling me..
Never done it again. I felt she wanted me to go with her for forever. I also seen the little death. I saw this room all lit up with with torches. Their was this throne that i was approaching and she was siting on it..Her voice makes you want to stay. she does not talk but sings to you
I knew it was a real place but it scared me and I went back fast into this place we call reality. I am male hope my story helps
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The big question is, does the drug make you hallucinate, or does the drug allow you to see reality?

I mean, is it affecting our brain in a negative manner (nothing more than chemical induced hallucination), or is it allowing our brain to actually operate at higher performance than "normal", thereby lifting the veil of what we know as reality?
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Hi AC 9569, thank you for posing your question. Can you see the paradox of your question? It is all a matter of perception. Yes, it lifts a veil.

As I said, the elves are always waiting for me to return, and I'm the one that has left, not them. She is always there waiting for when I remember.
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I didn't mean for it to be a paradoxical question. What I meant, is that only 1 of 2 things can be happening:

1. The drug simply alters your perception, meaning you remain in waking reality, or what we know as "normal" consciousness, and the chemical makeup of the drug is simply causing hallucination..

OR

2. The drug is actually allowing the brain to operate at a higher level, a level that the human brain is capable of but not typical.

For example, if you've read anything by Dr. Timothy Leary about his experiences and/or experiments, he presented the hypothesis that during normal, day to day waking consciousness, we are using only a small portion of our brains capability and are therefore bound to this human/earth "reality". However, instead of an LSD trip being mere side effects of LSD ingestion, the LSD is believed to be a "key" that unlocks or enables a higher level of cerebral activity, allowing us to experience increased senses and abilities that are far beyond the capabilities of an ordinary human in ordinary waking consciousness.


Now, personally, I believe #2 to be the answer. The familiarity of the places we visit while on LSD, DMT, Psilocybin and Salvia trips are not simple coincidence. The brain itself is not going to react to a drug by displaying visual, audial and physical sensations that are recognizable to us as "another dimension" when we have supposedly never been there before. More than mere hallucinations, these experiences, IMO, are severely spiritual and beneficial to those who can learn to embrace the experience.

The first times I tripped when I was in my teens, I simply tripped, for fun, and had wild experiences. But I wasn't looking for or expecting anything spiritual. I also didn't have the knowledge about Leary's writings or anything similar.

Once research is done, once someone understands the possibilities of these drugs and THEN uses them with the intention of searching for answers, many things begin to make sense.

DMT, definitely being the most powerful, is still a mystery to me. The experiences are real, otherworldly and totally NOT of this plane, if you will. It allows for an understanding that there is something bigger, more important, something much more real and true than the lives we occupy as humans each day. It's a small sample of what lies ahead, proof that there is something better after death, and proof that the universe is infinite and there are mysteries that are not meant to be known until we pass our time as a human..

Personally, I want to find answers now, in this lifetime. I want to know the secrets of the universe, etc.. However, there are some things that no matter how close we get, we will never know truthfully. We will never have a definitive answer until we pass this plane/dimension. The beauty of it is that regardless, the curious mind will keep searching for answers. These drugs are something that takes knowledge to a new level, and opens a new plethora of questions. It's enlightening, and a necessary step to take for an individual seeking enlightenment. Without these experiences, there is no way to follow the search for truth.

Great idea for this thread OP.
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Thank you for this 9569. Your last paragraph was a perfect summary.

Ultimately, I believe what we are seeking is truth. When we open up varying doors of perception we can see the scalar nature of truth.

I want to journey with all those who want to seek and experience more than they know. I also believe the more interconnectedness we share with these experiences the closer we are getting to the truth.
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Everyones experiences on salvia are different, with some similarities. I would like to know has any one else had this experiene of meeting her, and are you yourself male or female? It would be nice to talk with other people who have met her...



My experienes of smoking salvia have never been negative.

In my experiences, I have been warped to another dimension. Everyone there tells me how long they have been waiting for me, and they are so glad that I'm finally there. They are these little elves, but they are the fabric of the world. This is not something that I could possibly use words to describe, as I said the experience is taking place in another whole dimension

The most profound thing though is her. She is the queen of this dimension, I do not know if I have "seen" her directly or not, but I am positive her presence fills this dimension, and she is the ruler.

They tell me so many things, but as I drift away they take them any say they can't come back with me :(



Thanks!
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Hi OP,


I will start off by thanking you for sharing your experience with us.

You have presented a challenge for me to communicate to you the meaning behind the things you perceived while in this other place we call dimension.

First, as to the queen, it is a curious thing that you cannot know exactly if you've seen her, but nevertheless you're totally aware of her presence filling the dimension.

What I will attempt to convey is that, when the conscious (thinking) mind shuts down, as is the case when on salvia--we are subject to that part of ourselves which does not adhere to logical thought process. Some call this the subconscious mind, but for all intents and purposes, let's just call it the feminine part of our brain, (the right hemisphere). The woman you see is that female part of all creation--it is simply the receptive modality of being, and is represented in magnetism as the negative polarity. When I use the word negative, please understand I am conveying receptivity, and not "badness" of any sort. It simply implies a lack, void, and/or vacuum that draws the positive polarity towards itself.

The nature of this feminine aspect is such that it is the PLACE for all things to eventually come into creation. Think of it as a womb, but personified.

The elves you see are as you put it, "the fabric of the world." In ancient Egypt, these little beings were called "Bez" and they held little axes and were said to have "carved" out all of creation into matter. If you'd like I can go into this a bit more, it is an archetype I am familiar with, however, your post seemed to be more geared towards finding out about the feminine archetype displayed in your experience.

The things they tell you, which you cannot bring back, are your own collective memories and knowledge as a part of ALL existence(s) forever. Essentially, they explain it all--purpose, design, etc. but those explanations cannot adhere to logical thought, therefore when your conscious mind returns to you at the end of the experience, it is all gone. The reason for this is because the subconscious, or feminine mind (which rules the unseen dimension)--does not adhere to logical thought sequencing or Cartesian reality. Everything is displayed immediately through "knowing" and "feeling", ie., it is telepathic and instantaneous. The male part of our brain (left hemisphere) uses verbalization and language to convey meaning, and does not relay information or process it in the same way--this is why you cannot take the information "with" you.

I hope that I have helped you in any small way to better understand your experience, and by extension, yourself. Feel free to ask questions should you have any.

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Thank you for this SecondPression. Your insights are thought provoking.

I would love to hear about the bez. As muh as I am curious to hear more about the woman/queen of this dimension, I always encounter these elves before I encounter the woman, and would love to be educated by you on their archtype as well. But yes, I sense them as a fabric...

It makes sense when you say, does not adhere to logical though sequencing or Cartesian reality, as when I was there one time, I asked if they would let my body write down some knowledge, and while I was there, I thought my physical body was writing the manifesto of truth of all things, and when I came back, I had a pages full of what would appear to my mind in this dimension as nothing but scribbles. There is no way to take it back here with the understaindg or means within this dimension. Thank you for bringing more clarity to my understanding with this.

What more can you tell me of the female archytpe? Why do some many people (seems to be mostly men, sorry) seem to think she is pissed off? I personally have never had this impression, but why do so many people (male or female) seem to have this imprssion of her.

I appreciate any insights you will share to enlighten us. Much love & thanks.
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hi, her name is Sally D, pleased to meet her
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a small toke of 40X sent me into another world. strongest thing ive ever taken, glad it was short lasting (felt less than 5 minutes). 30 minutes later i was back to normal
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I tried it and she sung to me...The way she sung put me into a trance or it felt like it. Her voice was beautiful. Her words where telling me to lie down and enter into the vibrations of her sound..The voice was calling me..
Never done it again. I felt she wanted me to go with her for forever. I also seen the little death. I saw this room all lit up with with torches. Their was this throne that i was approaching and she was siting on it..Her voice makes you want to stay. she does not talk but sings to you I knew it was a real place but it scared me and I went back fast into this place we call reality. I am male hope my story helps
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wow, thank you justmeoneofmany. Your experiene of hearing her as song resonates with my experiences as well. When you say you knew it was a real place, but it scared you, do you know what exatly about it scared you? I could see why one would be afarid of such power, she is sary/beautiful/powerful but if you let go, there is nothing to be afarid of...

Thank you again, your story has helped me a lot.
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The big question is, does the drug make you hallucinate, or does the drug allow you to see reality?

I mean, is it affecting our brain in a negative manner (nothing more than chemical induced hallucination), or is it allowing our brain to actually operate at higher performance than "normal", thereby lifting the veil of what we know as reality?
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Hi AC 9569, thank you for posing your question. Can you see the paradox of your question? It is all a matter of perception. Yes, it lifts a veil.

As I said, the elves are always waiting for me to return, and I'm the one that has left, not them. She is always there waiting for when I remember.
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I didn't mean for it to be a paradoxical question. What I meant, is that only 1 of 2 things can be happening:

1. The drug simply alters your perception, meaning you remain in waking reality, or what we know as "normal" consciousness, and the chemical makeup of the drug is simply causing hallucination..

OR

2. The drug is actually allowing the brain to operate at a higher level, a level that the human brain is capable of but not typical.

For example, if you've read anything by Dr. Timothy Leary about his experiences and/or experiments, he presented the hypothesis that during normal, day to day waking consciousness, we are using only a small portion of our brains capability and are therefore bound to this human/earth "reality". However, instead of an LSD trip being mere side effects of LSD ingestion, the LSD is believed to be a "key" that unlocks or enables a higher level of cerebral activity, allowing us to experience increased senses and abilities that are far beyond the capabilities of an ordinary human in ordinary waking consciousness.


Now, personally, I believe #2 to be the answer. The familiarity of the places we visit while on LSD, DMT, Psilocybin and Salvia trips are not simple coincidence. The brain itself is not going to react to a drug by displaying visual, audial and physical sensations that are recognizable to us as "another dimension" when we have supposedly never been there before. More than mere hallucinations, these experiences, IMO, are severely spiritual and beneficial to those who can learn to embrace the experience.

The first times I tripped when I was in my teens, I simply tripped, for fun, and had wild experiences. But I wasn't looking for or expecting anything spiritual. I also didn't have the knowledge about Leary's writings or anything similar.

Once research is done, once someone understands the possibilities of these drugs and THEN uses them with the intention of searching for answers, many things begin to make sense.

DMT, definitely being the most powerful, is still a mystery to me. The experiences are real, otherworldly and totally NOT of this plane, if you will. It allows for an understanding that there is something bigger, more important, something much more real and true than the lives we occupy as humans each day. It's a small sample of what lies ahead, proof that there is something better after death, and proof that the universe is infinite and there are mysteries that are not meant to be known until we pass our time as a human..

Personally, I want to find answers now, in this lifetime. I want to know the secrets of the universe, etc.. However, there are some things that no matter how close we get, we will never know truthfully. We will never have a definitive answer until we pass this plane/dimension. The beauty of it is that regardless, the curious mind will keep searching for answers. These drugs are something that takes knowledge to a new level, and opens a new plethora of questions. It's enlightening, and a necessary step to take for an individual seeking enlightenment. Without these experiences, there is no way to follow the search for truth.

Great idea for this thread OP.
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Great thread and ideas. I too think salvia is very important, in a different way than DMT.

I wrote about DMT last night in response to someone else asking about it:
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someone's been smoking DMT
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Nope, never smoked. I just developed the ability to see energy, auras, chakras and being without bodies. So it takes the guess work out of the equation.

Have you smoked DMT and how does it relate to my post. sk
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I have, but not smoked. Drank. Just last night even, but not necessarily for visions..

This experience is not a recreational experience, and it can be damn terrifying if that is what you need. See, you don't get what you want, and you don't really control it. You get what you need. The shaman use special songs, whistles, and chants.

This is not mere hallucinations, schizoprenia, or fanciful mentation. It's not stuff of fiction or fairy tales. This is the real deal. These are the gateways and keys to the ultimate secrets and ultimate powers. Gateways to other realities, and unimaginable vistas.

It is also an incredibly powerful medicine; The Master Medicine.

It is even possible to see inside your body and see areas of bad energy (I don't know what you would really call it) and you can heal it on an aetheric energy level. You can remotely see disease (dis-EASE) in others' bodies, and you can see bad energies that have been projected onto you from others. This is like a thousand-point inspection and tuneup for your soul, psyche, and body(ies.). You can even feel the bad things that you have done to others, but from their perspective.

This stuff, it's recipe / decoction, and it's utilization is also an art an a skill of the shaman. It wouldn't be something really successful extracted and put into pills, peddled by prescription.

Freely provided by nature.

It's impossible to describe any of this stuff. No communicated language is capable. You can't even re-imagine or visualize the tiny amount of your OWN direct experiences that have been transcribed into your own conscious memory. Direct experience is the only way.

This is stuff that changes and transforms worlds. It could even be Nature's emergency killswitch, or "Plan B" (more like Plan Z) to all the destruction, fear, and hate killing her, and us..

Here is a video that is sort of successful at showing some possibilities. Especially around 1m+ and 8m20s+.



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If you are skeptical or doubt, it is simply societal and cultural programming telling you it is not possible..

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