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Australians against the CARBON TAX, please read, help is here... We can stop it now.

 
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Ok well thank you for answering.

I object to being called a "DOLT", that is simply just rude and unfounded, I have paid you the respect from childish name calling, I would consider you should refreain from that if you wish others to take you seriously, it will do your cause more benefit than not.

As to your comment re the NWO etc, who can genuinely say what is really at play there?

Now in terms of your assertions regarding our local national politics I do agree with you.

He will say whatever he needs to, to regain power at the next elections.

Now are we not right back at what this thread is about.

Its about , we the people, DEMANDING that our politicians delivering their promises, not like..."there will never be a carbon tax wile Im in charge"...or words to that effect.


So, where are we at odds?
 Quoting: arkay


seriously, if the internet offends you so much, then GTFO.


and as far as keeping election promises, remeber when Johnny said there would be no GST, hhhhmmm???
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18522778


Well, firstly the internet doesent "offend" me any more than an apple could.

Its your personal manner of expression ( name calling )that I found offensive, using and blaming the internet is completely irrelevant.

Please try to use "clear thinking" if you chose to debate with me.

And yes, I clearly remember Johnny making those "broken" promises too.

My point is clear.

Two wrongs dont make a right.

Just because Johnnie broke a promise and just because Jullia broke an promise is absolutely NO justification for "WE THE PEOPLE" to continue to accept that disgusting an abhorant behavour from people we put in a place of TRUST , ( where lies are not acceptable) to care for and manage our nation for the benefit of all its citizens.

Statesmanship, does NOT allow broken promises, it demands the highest of standards, and this is what I have been promoting throughout this thread.

Holding and making those politicians accountable for their promises.

As I said, we really arent dissagreeing, now are we?
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go fuck yourself you self rightous dopey cunt.

granny
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06/25/2012 05:11 AM
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Now that was "un-Australian".
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Here is a generic email that I also received today, reprinted in whole with permission.

I wonder when or even if the MSM will have the guts to seriously persue these examples of extreme waste of Australian Taxpayers money.

These figures are highly reminesent of the Roof Bats affair, and most other "projects" that this current government has so incompently and pathetically attempted to execute on our behalf and for our benefit?????

Dear XXXXX

In just two weeks Aussie families will be slugged with a carbon tax to pay for a ‘green utopia’.
But where is this money really going? And are our carbon tax bureaucrats practicing what they preach?
We did a little digging, and discovered what many long suspected: While Aussie families are struggling, bureaucrats are living the high life and travelling to exotic destinations at our expense.
Documents released to the Australian Taxpayers’ Alliance under Freedom of Information laws revealed that bureaucrats in the Department of Climate change flew 6,528,616km last financial year, costing us a staggering $3,274,286.40!
And while these very people are lecturing us to act like we’re back in the dark ages the carbon emissions of these flights equal over 1000 tonnes!
The hypocrisy is staggering – it’s one rule for them, and another rule for us. No wonder they are happy to slug airlines with the carbon tax – they don’t have to pay the bill!
So where were they flying to?
None other than the holiday resorts of Cancun, Vanuatu, Maiami, Fiji, The Maldives, Grenada, Maimi, Barcelona… Must be tough having to travel to places like the Caribbean & South Pacific all the time!
The actions of Department staff make one thing clear: the carbon tax isn’t about the environment, it’s about squeezing taxpayers for their own benefit.
And of course, it’s only the best in luxury travel for our bureaucrats – no expense is spared! Many of these flights cost the taxpayers up to ten times what an online economy class ticket would cost.
A round trip from Sydney to Bali cost for one person $15,311!!!!! I had a look on Jetstar just now, and you could get economy flight for under $700! Then there’s the flight to Seaul ($15,688.57), Thailand ($13,093.74pp for two people), Chile ($12,805.46)…
And this doesn’t even include accommodation: From $21,115.69 for a 5 star hotel in Thailand to the whopping $265,000 for the delegation in Durban.
We asked who took these flights, but they refused to answer. It is no wonder that the department of climate change refused to reveal who took these flights – I’d be ashamed too if this was found out. We shall be appealing this decision, because the Australian public has a right to know whose holidays they are paying for!
This is just the first tranche of a series of documents we received under Freedom of Information laws, and thank you to everyone whose donation made this possible (we were charged over $750!) We shall be releasing further data discovered about waste and misuse of taxpayer funds soon.

Australians must known about these scams! Please forward this to your friends, share it on Facebook: and on Twitter , and make sure everyone knows the truth so we can AXE THIS TAX!



Timothy Andrews
Executive Director
Australian Taxpayers’ Alliance

PS: The Sunday Telegraph reported on our investigation yesterday - you can read their story here.

Heres that link to the Telegraph story


[link to www.dailytelegraph.com.au]

Link to Taxpayers.org here...

[link to www.taxpayers.org.au]
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06/25/2012 07:19 AM
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For those Australians who are against the rediculous carbon tax that we were promised would never be introduced by our Prime Minister, and is leaving ordinary Australians struggling to pay their bills.

And pensioners, eating just toast or pies and sitting in the dark or lying in bed all day, as the only way to stay warm.

This new web site might be an excellent way to prevent it.

[link to www.taxpayers.org.au]
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tey bros are rather big players top ten in stock exchange, well they are the first off the rank in this stories the meatwork article. so what do i get out of this article, a corporation dealing with the queen of taxtralia, she is expecting a abiding by law for her carbon tax baby, it`s certain that the corporates seem to be seeking a dividing by law, not to feed this carbon birth @ all. that would be a substantial lose to any company shutting down operations for 3 wks..... so they may blatantly avoid her insistence. along with 26 other corporations. well i know thing have already ground to a halt,this may push a pin or two in the bubble.
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Now that was "un-Australian".
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Thank you.

Whoever that person was/is, clearly there is a significant amount of pent up anger that needs professional attention.

And not withstanding the above, also a clear incapacity of following simple logic.

Unfortunately, we must add them to what makes up the tapestry of life in this nation, fortunately it is the likes of those that serve to allow us to understand what"balance" really is about, so hopefully the assistance he/she needs will be forthcoming and soon, as it is obviously a painful place that that personality resides.

again thank you for you comment.

cheers

arkay
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Thank you AwakeinTassie,

I watched the clip , he was a little slow with its delivery, however he did manage to touch on all the valid points.

I thought that he could have expanded a bit more on some of them but still a worth while link and one I would recommend that others watch and tell their friends about too.

We really do need someone , preferrably with a high and respected profile to begin a serious movement to demonstrate against this useless tax and of course all the freedoms that we will lose along with it.

As the clip warns, there will be huge limitations on free speach and of course a new police to enforce the tax and any spin off incidentals as well.

What all that means is that we will be again stripped of even more of the few freedoms that we have left.

Its time that the socialists, (greens) were given the boot and the same goes for any politician that is not representing our best interest.

We need a public movement, so.

Who is going to kick it off?
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Well my last post yesterday seems to have been pretty timely.

This morning I received this email from the Australian Taxpayers alliancd.

Naturally I have replaced identifying information with XXXX's.

here it is, hopefully there will be some readers who can partcicate, or at least pass it on th all your friends.

Dear XXXX,

Since our launch, we have been working flat out to stand up for taxpayers, expose waste, and hold our politicians to account.

But that was only the beginning.

It’s time to move to the next level.

Millions of Australians are angry at what has happened to our great country. They should be. But anger isn’t enough. We need to translate this passion into action.

We need to show people they are not alone and that they can make a difference. That they can be part of something bigger. That they can connect with like minded people and work together to create something great.

We need to become a cohesive national movement for change.

Today, we are announcing the creation of a grassroots network of chapters in cities and towns across Australia as the first step in a long-term plan to take back Australia.

The radical left would have you believe that everything can be solved by big government. You and I know better. We know that true change comes from individuals working together in their communities.

That is why we are now formally launching a genuinely grassroots, decentralised, campaigning network to connect and mobilise right-minded citizens. A network to provide the opportunity to work with others in your local area - your family, friends, and neighbours - to achieve change.

In the coming weeks and months, will be launching dozens of "chapters" in cities and towns in every region. Each chapter will be run by locals, for locals, focussing on local priorities. Each one will be part of the Taxpayers' Alliance framework, but each one will be different and locally driven. There will be no 'top-down' control. There will be no ‘head office’ telling you what’s important, what campaigns you should run, or how you should run them. Only you know what will work best in your community, and this framework will give you the opportunity to work with others near you to translate this into action.

We are all different in our experiences, our background, our skills, and our interests. But we all share a common goal and desire for change. It is only by working together that we will make a difference. Let’s make this a reality!

Whatever your passion is - the carbon tax, over-regulation, the attack on free-speech, the nanny state or one of the many, many other challenges facing us - that is what your chapter can focus on. And whatever you think is effective? Then that is what your chapter will do.

Every community is different. What works well in one area, won’t work in another. Some chapters will just meet socially for dinner or drinks. Some will gather to hear guest speakers. Some will arrange local rallies and letterboxing campaigns. Others will be campaigning outside shopping centres and at their local MP’s office demanding action. And I’m sure others still will engage in campaigning that I havn't even thought of! But each will play their part in reclaiming Australia.

This is the only way to create an energised, effective, and national movement. It’s worked before, and it will work again.

But XXXX, I need your help.

I need you to commit to making this work.

It doesn't have to be much. If you can spend hours every day planning campaigns and helping organise events - great! If all you can commit to is the occasional social meetup - then that is all we ask. Whatever you can do - every small part makes a difference.

No matter your skills, your experience, your interests - everyone who believes in the fundamental principles of what makes Australia great is welcome, and has a vital role to play.

I can not stress this enough: to make this work, we need local leaders to take the initiative. To arrange events and to attend them. To mobilise people and to meet them. To inform & educate, and to spread our message. We need committed people from the outset to organise and take the reins. Is this something you are able to do?

I understand that you are busy and have other commitments, and may not be able to play an active role. All we ask is that you do what you can.

Whether arranging or attending, whether co-ordinating or campaigning, whether to arrange events, or just to attend, every little bit helps.

This is your opportunity to meet new people, have a good time, and do something for the country and for our future. So even if you are unable to arrange an event in your community, maybe you can attend one nearby!

You have nothing to lose and our country has so much to gain. XXXX will you sign up today?

This is an opportunity to reshape our long-term political landscape, and I would be honoured if you would consider taking part.

To join our grassroots campaign, please visit this website and submit your details and we will get back to you shortly. And please forward this to your friends, share it on Facebook: and on Twitter - the more people who know the better!

Whether you want a leadership role or just to help out.
Whether you want to arrange functions or just attend them.
Whether you want to campaign in person or online.

IF YOU WANT TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE THEN REGISTER TODAY - or miss out on the chance to change our country’s future.






Timothy Andrews
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Australian Taxpayers’ Alliance

PS: Please sign up to our grassroots network today, and help us take back Australia.








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I would have thought that someone might have taken the time to make some sort of comment on their opinion of this new initiative.

Do you think that it is a good and workable plan, or is it something that is in the just too hard basket?

arkay
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I would have thought that someone might have taken the time to make some sort of comment on their opinion of this new initiative.

Do you think that it is a good and workable plan, or is it something that is in the just too hard basket?

arkay
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I just found the thread... digesting the info now... will comment later after I've had a good think about it.

There, now you don't have to worry that no one cares.
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I would have thought that someone might have taken the time to make some sort of comment on their opinion of this new initiative.

Do you think that it is a good and workable plan, or is it something that is in the just too hard basket?

arkay
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I just found the thread... digesting the info now... will comment later after I've had a good think about it.

There, now you don't have to worry that no one cares.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18249122



Hi Arkay,

hi

I too have just found this thread, another truely worthwhile topic that is affecting real people everyday.

I think the email from Timothy is really good and what is needed, different areas and different people have different needs and wants that need to be sorted, what works for one group of people is not going to work for others.

I too need some time to look into and research some things, I am pretty AWARE of quite alot as you know but even I have learnt something new from this thread that I really need to spend some time researching.

RE: the carbon tax, hubby & I are really expecting the worst from this, elect bill for last qtr was over $800, we have a small 3bed highset, 12mths ago we were in a huge, seriously HUGE 4bed brick with 3 reversecycle a/c and our elect was HALF of what we pay now!!!!


* * You've made me a very busy lady Arkay, bare with me whilst I catch up on everything.


hf rockon
* Eat recycled food, it's good for the environment and O.K for you. (Judge Dredd)
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Now that was "un-Australian".
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Thank you.

Whoever that person was/is, clearly there is a significant amount of pent up anger that needs professional attention.

And not withstanding the above, also a clear incapacity of following simple logic.

Unfortunately, we must add them to what makes up the tapestry of life in this nation, fortunately it is the likes of those that serve to allow us to understand what"balance" really is about, so hopefully the assistance he/she needs will be forthcoming and soon, as it is obviously a painful place that that personality resides.

again thank you for you comment.

cheers

arkay
 Quoting: arkay


you do realize that Tony wanted a carbon tax back in 2005.

cruise

you're stupid
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Why don't you just get a trademark on the term "CARBON TAX" in the US. Currently, there is no registered trademark in the USPTO. Then use MPAA/RIAA mafia tactics and sue everyone that uses the term and doesn't pay your generous usage fees of $10,000 per utterance or printed instance of the term?
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Why don't you just get a trademark on the term "CARBON TAX" in the US. Currently, there is no registered trademark in the USPTO. Then use MPAA/RIAA mafia tactics and sue everyone that uses the term and doesn't pay your generous usage fees of $10,000 per utterance or printed instance of the term?
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I forgot to add - when arrogant people and corporations defy you and just ignore the judgements, go ahead and get declaratory judgement and sell to a debt buyer for cash. Then you can listen to CNN or whatever use your precious intellectual property without permission on a broadcast and it will be like "cha ching cha ching cha ching cha ching cha ching cha ching"
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I would have thought that someone might have taken the time to make some sort of comment on their opinion of this new initiative.

Do you think that it is a good and workable plan, or is it something that is in the just too hard basket?

arkay
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I just found the thread... digesting the info now... will comment later after I've had a good think about it.

There, now you don't have to worry that no one cares.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18249122



Hi Arkay,

hi

I too have just found this thread, another truely worthwhile topic that is affecting real people everyday.

I think the email from Timothy is really good and what is needed, different areas and different people have different needs and wants that need to be sorted, what works for one group of people is not going to work for others.

I too need some time to look into and research some things, I am pretty AWARE of quite alot as you know but even I have learnt something new from this thread that I really need to spend some time researching.

RE: the carbon tax, hubby & I are really expecting the worst from this, elect bill for last qtr was over $800, we have a small 3bed highset, 12mths ago we were in a huge, seriously HUGE 4bed brick with 3 reversecycle a/c and our elect was HALF of what we pay now!!!!


* * You've made me a very busy lady Arkay, bare with me whilst I catch up on everything.


hf rockon
 Quoting: MzTreeChick


Hehe..sorry it has never been my intention to occupy so mush of your time.

But I cant help myself, when something really important comes along, I have to have my say...I guess youve noticed that!

As far as your power bills go, have a bit of a look at some of the earlier posts to see what Ive been saying about pensioners and low income people here in Aust.

And we are getting the same bills too.

I have and can back up every word I have put to print on those aspects.

This country is really going down the sewerage system and our pollies are just the lubricating the tubes.

But thanks for your interest.

We will engage in further conversation soon, and I am really looking forward to that opportunity.

As a side note, Im a little put out that you wouldnt let me build you that offer I made a while ago.

For me, it would have been a gift that I would have known that would have been appreciated, an that wouldve given me a huge kick.

But you ...independant...person...went your way, and that too is respected.

Its just a great thing to have you back by my side, I cant explain it but there is a connection and Im sure that you feel it too.

So stay well and we will continue to work together as previously...well I hope so anyway.

cheers

arkay
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I would have thought that someone might have taken the time to make some sort of comment on their opinion of this new initiative.

Do you think that it is a good and workable plan, or is it something that is in the just too hard basket?

arkay
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I just found the thread... digesting the info now... will comment later after I've had a good think about it.

There, now you don't have to worry that no one cares.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18249122



Hi Arkay,

hi

I too have just found this thread, another truely worthwhile topic that is affecting real people everyday.

I think the email from Timothy is really good and what is needed, different areas and different people have different needs and wants that need to be sorted, what works for one group of people is not going to work for others.

I too need some time to look into and research some things, I am pretty AWARE of quite alot as you know but even I have learnt something new from this thread that I really need to spend some time researching.

RE: the carbon tax, hubby & I are really expecting the worst from this, elect bill for last qtr was over $800, we have a small 3bed highset, 12mths ago we were in a huge, seriously HUGE 4bed brick with 3 reversecycle a/c and our elect was HALF of what we pay now!!!!


* * You've made me a very busy lady Arkay, bare with me whilst I catch up on everything.


hf rockon
 Quoting: MzTreeChick


Hehe..sorry it has never been my intention to occupy so mush of your time.

But I cant help myself, when something really important comes along, I have to have my say...I guess youve noticed that!

As far as your power bills go, have a bit of a look at some of the earlier posts to see what Ive been saying about pensioners and low income people here in Aust.

And we are getting the same bills too.

I have and can back up every word I have put to print on those aspects.

This country is really going down the sewerage system and our pollies are just the lubricating the tubes.

But thanks for your interest.

We will engage in further conversation soon, and I am really looking forward to that opportunity.

As a side note, Im a little put out that you wouldnt let me build you that offer I made a while ago.

For me, it would have been a gift that I would have known that would have been appreciated, an that wouldve given me a huge kick.

But you ...independant...person...went your way, and that too is respected.

Its just a great thing to have you back by my side, I cant explain it but there is a connection and Im sure that you feel it too.

So stay well and we will continue to work together as previously...well I hope so anyway.

cheers

arkay
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you do realize that Tony wanted a carbon tax back in 2005.


laugh
you're stupid
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Why don't you just get a trademark on the term "CARBON TAX" in the US. Currently, there is no registered trademark in the USPTO. Then use MPAA/RIAA mafia tactics and sue everyone that uses the term and doesn't pay your generous usage fees of $10,000 per utterance or printed instance of the term?
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Mate, Bloody great suggestion, if youd like to travel that road I am happy to finance you and split the proceeds...

cheers

arkay
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Now that was "un-Australian".
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Thank you.

Whoever that person was/is, clearly there is a significant amount of pent up anger that needs professional attention.

And not withstanding the above, also a clear incapacity of following simple logic.

Unfortunately, we must add them to what makes up the tapestry of life in this nation, fortunately it is the likes of those that serve to allow us to understand what"balance" really is about, so hopefully the assistance he/she needs will be forthcoming and soon, as it is obviously a painful place that that personality resides.

again thank you for you comment.

cheers

arkay
 Quoting: arkay


you do realize that Tony wanted a carbon tax back in 2005.

cruise

you're stupid
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Grow a vocab - Seriously no matter what anyone's opinion, there is no need to call your fellow Australians disgusting names. What was un-Australian was the fact that the guy was abusive AND used absolutely poisonous language. Rude much!?! ALL OF US are entitled to our opinion especially on GLP!!
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Now that was "un-Australian".
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Thank you.

Whoever that person was/is, clearly there is a significant amount of pent up anger that needs professional attention.

And not withstanding the above, also a clear incapacity of following simple logic.

Unfortunately, we must add them to what makes up the tapestry of life in this nation, fortunately it is the likes of those that serve to allow us to understand what"balance" really is about, so hopefully the assistance he/she needs will be forthcoming and soon, as it is obviously a painful place that that personality resides.

again thank you for you comment.

cheers

arkay
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Thank you for you supportive comments.

Ive come to the conclusion that this particular person is acting with a very specific intent and that is to cause distraction from the real issue, he is probably being paid by the Gillard government to do this job as he alone stands clearly out and is by far the greatest and most consistant antagonist here, and might I add, his actions are actually too overbearing for this topis.

I simply ignore him now , maybe he'll, go away, if he doesent then that only reafirms what iI say about his true motives.
you do realize that Tony wanted a carbon tax back in 2005.

cruise

you're stupid
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Grow a vocab - Seriously no matter what anyone's opinion, there is no need to call your fellow Australians disgusting names. What was un-Australian was the fact that the guy was abusive AND used absolutely poisonous language. Rude much!?! ALL OF US are entitled to our opinion especially on GLP!!
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Thank you.

Whoever that person was/is, clearly there is a significant amount of pent up anger that needs professional attention.

And not withstanding the above, also a clear incapacity of following simple logic.

Unfortunately, we must add them to what makes up the tapestry of life in this nation, fortunately it is the likes of those that serve to allow us to understand what"balance" really is about, so hopefully the assistance he/she needs will be forthcoming and soon, as it is obviously a painful place that that personality resides.

again thank you for you comment.

cheers

arkay
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Thank you for you supportive comments.

Ive come to the conclusion that this particular person is acting with a very specific intent and that is to cause distraction from the real issue, he is probably being paid by the Gillard government to do this job as he alone stands clearly out and is by far the greatest and most consistant antagonist here, and might I add, his actions are actually too overbearing for this topis.

I simply ignore him now , maybe he'll, go away, if he doesent then that only reafirms what iI say about his true motives.
you do realize that Tony wanted a carbon tax back in 2005.

cruise

you're stupid
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Grow a vocab - Seriously no matter what anyone's opinion, there is no need to call your fellow Australians disgusting names. What was un-Australian was the fact that the guy was abusive AND used absolutely poisonous language. Rude much!?! ALL OF US are entitled to our opinion especially on GLP!!
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You know, I really do feel sorry for people who allow themselves to stoop to such poor levels.

I often wonder just what has happened to them that has been so bad as to leave them with such distain towards others, I also wonder if they actually have to live alone because their attitudes would surely prevent them from living in close quarters with other "normal" people.

I suspect that these types of entities, do live alone, with little else to do other than sit in front of their computers looking for some way to be noticed, as they all seem to share one common thread and that is their great difficulty in communicating directly with other people.

Anyway, not to mind, its a good thing to be reading that there are people reading this thread and taking it seriously enough to be doing their homework.

This means that there are people who do care and who may well be motivated sufficiently to make their contribution, no matter how large or small, it all counts.

cheers

arkay
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Normally I have been posting from the taxpayers alliance but today I received this email from "The Nationals" that also reflects some of the very serious concerns with this nation destroying labour ...gillard Tax.

here is that email...

Dear Friends,

From Sunday, Australia will have a great big new tax that strikes everything we do. Electricity, gas, housing, rents, council rates, groceries… all the things that are life’s modern essentials will go up and the prices will continue to ratchet up again year after year.

It’s the cumulative impact of carbon tax price rises that will hurt families the most.

It’s a Boa constrictor for the family budget – a perpetual squeeze that is designed to get tighter and tighter, forcing people to make more and more sacrifices.

Those mounting costs will only apply in Australia and make our companies less competitive and see Australian jobs lost.

It is a particularly tough combination for families, especially in regional areas where the mining, agricultural and manufacturing industries contribute so much.

Lost jobs and higher prices for everything –that’s not economic reform, it’s a death by a thousand cuts that targets people who can least afford it… the ill, the elderly, young families, the unemployed and the under-employed.

Not a single cobra-strike on 1 July, but a gradual squeeze that tightens year after year.

While the government likes to talk about cash handouts, it is important remember that the very basis for a carbon tax is that it has to hurt.

It is designed to make people change their behaviour – to think twice before turning on the heater this winter. To suffer the cold rather than pay the carbon tax price hit.

And all this suffering will save the planet?

A government bereft of legitimacy, cobbled together out of expediency and self-interest, without a mandate, is imposing the will of a very few on the entire nation.

And this is no ordinary carbon tax. There is nothing like it anywhere in the world.

Australia is responsible for about 1.3% of global emissions and Europe 14%. The Australian carbon tax will raise more money in its first three months than the Europeans have raised since they started their tax six years ago. There are 400 million Europeans and just 22 million Australians.

So Australians shoulder a dramatically disproportionate burden, which keeps getting heavier. The carbon tax legislation guarantees that the Australian carbon price will go up and up, even though the global price of carbon is plummeting.

History will damn this Labor government. And there will be a special place in its annals for this Prime Minister, condemned by her own words...

‘There will be no carbon tax under the government I lead’.

The people will savour their day of judgment and whether that day comes next week, next month or next year we will be ready to lead them.

Kind regards,

Warren Truss
Leader of The Nationals


Help us build a stronger Australia:
• Get involved
• Forward this email to a friend
• Tell your friends about our policies
• Make a donation

Link here...

[link to www.nationals.org.au]
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And so...

While Im stirring the pot, here is one hell of a gem...

apperently censored by biased editors her in Australia.

Now I just wonder who the might be ...mur...ooops nearly said it!

NAB and Westpac’s Secret Bailout Revealed
by Kris Sayce on 3 December 2010

It’s time for an apology. No, not from your editor. We’re always right, so there’s no need to apologise [wink].

Instead the apology needs to come from the Australian mainstream financial press. The same financial press that told you Australia’s banks were strong.

That Australia had the best prudential regulation in the world. That Australian banks were different to all those dirty foreign banks.

But an apology also needs to come from the banks who themselves claimed things were different here. And that Australia’s banks didn’t have the same solvency problems as US and European banks.

Why do they need to apologise? Well, two years after the global financial markets collapsed, a secret bailout of two of Australia’s biggest banks has been revealed.

This is pretty big news. Or rather, you’d think it would be pretty big news. But as you can imagine there’s almost uniform silence from the banks and the mainstream press.

Shortly after we sent you yesterday’s Money Morning we decided to do a bit of fishing around on the US Federal Reserve website. You see, earlier that morning the Fed had released some pretty hot material, and we wanted to see what it contained.

What we found shocked us. Although it really shouldn’t have, because we knew the claims about the Australian banking system being strong and robust were complete lies anyway.

In fact, so shocking is this revelation that we considered sending you a Money Morning special edition yesterday afternoon. But we didn’t. We’re fed up of giving the mainstream scoops which they then claim as their own.

Instead we thought we’d wait to see if the Australian mainstream press picked up the story first.

Surprisingly they have. But not with any enthusiasm. And hardly with what you’d call any effort. Probably because they’re a bit sheepish about the fact the banks and regulators have made fools of them. I’ll provide you with the link to the one story on it in a moment.

So excited were we to see how the mainstream had handled this story we did something we normally never do – enthusiastically open the Australian Financial Review (AFR).

The first thing we did was check the Companies Index on the back page. This was promising, the two banks in question were mentioned. We eagerly flicked through to the relevant pages… and drew a blank.

Not a single mention of it. So we started from the front and worked our way quickly through the paper… page seven… here it is… “Rescues: RBA borrowed billions from Fed” was the headline… but no, this isn’t what we’re looking for.

On we went, past the big centre-fold spread telling readers that the AFR contains, “Up-to-the-minute market information, news, commentary and expert analysis… All from just $44 per month”.

We continued… through to the end. Not peep. Not a single mention.

And the AFR is supposed to be Australia’s premium business newspaper. We wouldn’t have thought so.

About all it’s good for is lining bird cages in our opinion.

But then, we guess if the AFR exposed the banks’ duplicity it wouldn’t be able to get an interview with the likes of Commonwealth Bank of Australia [ASX: CBA] CEO Sir. Ralph Norris.

Said person is the feature item in the Boss glossy mag insert in today’s AFR.

We can’t be bothered reading it. It’s surely pap.

But anyway, what the heck are we going on about? This…

I’m talking about the near collapse of the Australian banking system in 2008. I’m talking about the likelihood of two Australian banks collapsing in 2008 if they hadn’t secured a secret loan from the US Federal Reserve.

The fact that National Australia Bank [ASX: NAB] had to borrow USD$4.5 billion from the US Federal Reserve during 2008 and 2009.

And Westpac Banking Corp [ASX: WBC] needed USD$1.09 billion in January of 2008 and 2009.

What’s that, you don’t know anything about it?

And you don’t remember reading about it?

There’s a simple reason for that. It’s been top secret information until yesterday morning.

That’s right, if it wasn’t for the passing of controversial legislation in the United States you’d never have found out about NAB and Westpac’s Federal Reserve bail outs.

And based on the lack of interest from the mainstream press – including Australia’s so-called premium business newspaper, if it wasn’t for Money Morning you’d still be none the wiser.

The one and only article we’ve found that mentions it is this one from The Age, headlined “NAB, Westpac tapped Fed”.

It appears to be an adaptation of a New York Times article based on the reference at the end, with localised bits added by Eric Johnston. But this one pathetic effort shows just how clueless the Australian mainstream press is.

Johnston makes this comment:

“The Westpac borrowings are unusual, as it barely has a North American presence, operating only a US representative office.”

Seriously, do I really need to explain it to a veteran journalist?

Talk about not being able to see the wood for the trees. Talk about not getting it.

Here’s a clue for Mr. Johnston, it wasn’t Westpac’s US office that needed the dosh, it was Westpac in Australia that needed it. It shows you that without the direct financial support of the US Federal Reserve Westpac and NAB would have been toast.

Westpac and NAB needed the loans because they were on the verge of going belly up. It’s that simple. If they hadn’t gotten secret loans from the US Fed they would undoubtedly have needed secret loans from the RBA.

Fortunately for the RBA, the Fed opened the door and this allowed Aussie central bankers and bankers to claim that the Aussie banks hadn’t received a bailout.

But not only that, what’s most extraordinary is that Westpac was one of the first institutions to borrow money from the Fed when the lending facility became available!


Link here...

[link to www.moneymorning.com.au]

see Im not making all this up!

so when are we going to act???
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Food, Clothing and Shelter are no longer essentials nor a right, they are now a privilege!!!

Can you afford the privilege of feeding your children???


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