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visibility has little to do with chemtrails. . . visibility of an aerosol is an extremely short lived characteristic. . . .that was the purpose of the cited search . . . to see if increased sulfur concentrations into geoengineering useful levels would affect engine efficiency and visibility
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And your entire premise is that 'they' are using contrails for 'geoengineering' by using sulphur 'spiked' fuel in order to make more contrails and reflect sunlight...

Using your own links, I proved that higher sulphur makes contrails dissipate faster...

Back to my recent statement:

In your fucked up mind...

"Everything that proves you wrong, 'proves' you right'"

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I have said for two years that what most people are seeing is from more air traffic at higher altitudes, greater frequency and numbers of long haul air traffic, and higher efficiency jet engines. . . .this leads to a greater chance of persistent trail formation and result in a greater chance of cirrus cloud banks formation . . . this does not prevent or preclude the presence of fuel spiking or other methods of aerosol injection but it makes it almost impossible to locate and test when someone may be intentionally injecting substances into the high troposphere or lower stratosphere. . . .

Finding the occasional culprit would be like trying to find a needle in an ocean. . . .coffee4 Thousands of trails. . . but which one to sample. . . . ??????
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visibility has little to do with chemtrails. . . visibility of an aerosol is an extremely short lived characteristic. . . .that was the purpose of the cited search . . . to see if increased sulfur concentrations into geoengineering useful levels would affect engine efficiency and visibility
 Quoting: George B


And your entire premise is that 'they' are using contrails for 'geoengineering' by using sulphur 'spiked' fuel in order to make more contrails and reflect sunlight...

Using your own links, I proved that higher sulphur makes contrails dissipate faster...

Back to my recent statement:

In your fucked up mind...

"Everything that proves you wrong, 'proves' you right'"

cruise
 Quoting: SnakeAirlines


You assume something has to be visible (to the unassisted human eye) to reflect sunlight and/or heat. . . far from the truth. . . most of the particulate from volcanoes for example dissipate in the jet streams and trail winds . . . the sulfur compounds may never have been visible except in the (invisible) infrared portion of the light spectrum and only then because they form a layer of warmer air when observed with the proper equipment. . . .see the photo below. . . .this is an infrared enhanced photo from NASA. . . .it shows persistent trails and cirrus cloud banks from space. . .
because of the width and lower cloud cover these were probably not visible from the ground. . . .yet they were there and had climatic effect. . . .

[link to earthobservatory.nasa.gov]
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I don't understand why you still circle jerk with these fake characters.

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I don't understand why you still circle jerk with these fake characters.

hmm

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Presently, they have the stage with the active Thread. . . .Simple. . . . coffee4
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I don't understand why you still circle jerk with these fake characters.

hmm

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Presently, they have the stage with the active Thread. . . .Simple. . . . coffee4
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All the threads you play merry-go-round with them..not just this one.

It's beyond a broken record or a CD skip. When will you be the needle rip?


That's my poem for this day.
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I don't understand why you still circle jerk with these fake characters.

hmm

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Presently, they have the stage with the active Thread. . . .Simple. . . . coffee4
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All the threads you play merry-go-round with them..not just this one.

It's beyond a broken record or a CD skip. When will you be the needle rip?


That's my poem for this day.
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Does seem like the movie Groudhog Day does it not. . . . 1rof1
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A small group of leading climate scientists, financially supported by billionaires including Bill Gates, are lobbying governments and international bodies to back experiments into manipulating the climate on a global scale to avoid catastrophic climate change.

The scientists, who advocate geoengineering methods such as spraying millions of tonnes of reflective particles of sulphur dioxide 30 miles above earth, argue that a "plan B" for climate change will be needed if the UN and politicians cannot agree to making the necessary cuts in greenhouse gases, and say the US government and others should pay for a major programme of international research.

Solar geoengineering techniques are highly controversial: while some climate scientists believe they may prove a quick and relatively cheap way to slow global warming, others fear that when conducted in the upper atmosphere, they could irrevocably alter rainfall patterns and interfere with the earth's climate.

Geoengineering is opposed by many environmentalists, who say the technology could undermine efforts to reduce emissions, and by developing countries who fear it could be used as a weapon or by rich countries to their advantage. In 2010, the UN Convention on Biological Diversity declared a moratorium on experiments in the sea and space, except for small-scale scientific studies.

Concern is now growing that the small but influential group of scientists, and their backers, may have a disproportionate effect on major decisions about geoengineering research and policy.

"We will need to protect ourselves from vested interests [and] be sure that choices are not influenced by parties who might make significant amounts of money through a choice to modify climate, especially using proprietary intellectual property," said Jane Long, director at large for the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory in the US, in a paper delivered to a recent geoengineering conference on ethics.

"The stakes are very high and scientists are not the best people to deal with the social, ethical or political issues that geoengineering raises," said Doug Parr, chief scientist at Greenpeace. "The idea that a self-selected group should have so much influence is bizarre."

Pressure to find a quick technological fix to climate change is growing as politicians fail to reach an agreement to significantly reduce emissions. In 2009-2010, the US government received requests for over $2bn(£1.2bn) of grants for geoengineering research, but spent around $100m.

As well as Gates, other wealthy individuals including Sir Richard Branson, tar sands magnate Murray Edwards and the co-founder of Skype, Niklas Zennström, have funded a series of official reports into future use of the technology. Branson, who has frequently called for geoengineering to combat climate change, helped fund the Royal Society's inquiry into solar radiation management last year through his Carbon War Room charity. It is not known how much he contributed.

Professors David Keith, of Harvard University, and Ken Caldeira of Stanford, [see footnote] are the world's two leading advocates of major research into geoengineering the upper atmosphere to provide earth with a reflective shield. They have so far received over $4.6m from Gates to run the Fund for Innovative Climate and Energy Research (Ficer). Nearly half Ficer's money, which comes directly from Gates's personal funds, has so far been used for their own research, but the rest is disbursed by them to fund the work of other advocates of large-scale interventions.

According to statements of financial interests, Keith receives an undisclosed sum from Bill Gates each year, and is the president and majority owner of the geoengineering company Carbon Engineering, in which both Gates and Edwards have major stakes – believed to be together worth over $10m.

Another Edwards company, Canadian Natural Resources, has plans to spend $25bn to turn the bitumen-bearing sand found in northern Alberta into barrels of crude oil. Caldeira says he receives $375,000 a year from Gates, holds a carbon capture patent and works for Intellectual Ventures, a private geoegineering research company part-owned by Gates and run by Nathan Myhrvold, former head of technology at Microsoft.

According to the latest Ficer accounts, the two scientists have so far given $300,000 of Gates money to part-fund three prominent reviews and assessments of geoengineering – the UK Royal Society report on Solar Radiation Management, the US Taskforce on Geoengineering and a 2009 report by Novin a science thinktank based in Santa Barbara, California. Keith and Caldeira either sat on the panels that produced the reports or contributed evidence. All three reports strongly recommended more research into solar radiation management.

The fund also gave $600,000 to Phil Rasch, chief climate scientist for the Pacific Northwest national laboratory, one of 10 research institutions funded by the US energy department.

Rasch gave evidence at the first Royal Society report on geoengineering 2009 and was a panel member on the 2011 report. He has testified to the US Congress about the need for government funding of large-scale geoengineering. In addition, Caldeira and Keith gave a further $240,000 to geoengineering advocates to travel and attend workshops and meetings and $100,000 to Jay Apt, a prominent advocate of geoengineering as a last resort, and professor of engineering at Carnegie Mellon University. Apt worked with Keith and Aurora Flight Sciences, a US company that develops drone aircraft technology for the US military, to study the costs of sending 1m tonnes of sulphate particles into the upper atmosphere a year.

Analysis of the eight major national and international inquiries into geoengineering over the past three years shows that Keith and Caldeira, Rasch and Prof Granger Morgan the head of department of engineering and public policy at Carnegie Mellon University where Keith works, have sat on seven panels, including one set up by the UN. Three other strong advocates of solar radiation geoengineering, including Rasch, have sat on national inquiries part-funded by Ficer.

"There are clear conflicts of interest between many of the people involved in the debate," said Diana Bronson, a researcher with Montreal-based geoengineering watchdog ETC.

"What is really worrying is that the same small group working on high-risk technologies that will geoengineer the planet is also trying to engineer the discussion around international rules and regulations. We cannot put the fox in charge of the chicken coop."

"The eco-clique are lobbying for a huge injection of public funds into geoengineering research. They dominate virtually every inquiry into geoengineering. They are present in almost all of the expert deliberations. They have been the leading advisers to parliamentary and congressional inquiries and their views will, in all likelihood, dominate the deliberations of the UN's Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) as it grapples for the first time with the scientific and ethical tangle that is climate engineering," said Clive Hamilton, professor of Public Ethics at the Australian National University, in a Guardian blog.

The scientists involved reject this notion. "Even the perception that [a small group of people has] illegitimate influence [is] very unhealthy for a technology which has extreme power over the world. The concerns that a small group [is] dominating the debate are legitimate, but things are not as they were," said Keith. "It's changing as countries like India and China become involved. The era when my voice or that of a few was dominant is over. We need a very broad debate."

"Every scientist has some conflict of interest, because we would all like to see more resources going to study things that we find interesting," said Caldeira. "Do I have too much influence? I feel like I have too little. I have been calling for making CO2 emissions illegal for many years, but no one is listening to me. People who disagree with me might feel I have too much influence. The best way to reduce my influence is to have more public research funds available, so that our funds are in the noise. If the federal government played the role it should in this area, there would be no need for money from Gates.

"Regarding my own patents, I have repeatedly stated that if any patent that I am on is ever used for the purposes of altering climate, then any proceeds that accrue to me for this use will be donated to nonprofit NGOs and charities. I have no expectation or interest in developing a personal revenue stream based upon the use of these patents for climate modification.".

Rasch added: "I don't feel there is any conflict of interest. I don't lobby, work with patents or intellectual property, do classified research or work with for-profit companies. The research I do on geoengineering involves computer simulations and thinking about possible consequences. The Ficer foundation that has funded my research tries to be transparent in their activities, as do I."

• This article was amended on 8 February 2012. The original stated that Phil Rasch worked for Intellectual Ventures. This has been corrected. This article was further amended on 13 February 2012. Prof Caldeira has asked us to make clear that the fact that he advocates research into geoengineering does not mean he advocates geoengineering.
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The scientists, who advocate geoengineering methods such as spraying millions of tonnes of reflective particles of sulphur dioxide 30 miles above earth...
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SHILL!!!

Whore-Hay sez that 'particulates' can 'reflect' light while 'invisible'...

cruise
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The scientists, who advocate geoengineering methods such as spraying millions of tonnes of reflective particles of sulphur dioxide 30 miles above earth...
 Quoting: FK NBL 2562242


SHILL!!!

Whore-Hay sez that 'particulates' can 'reflect' light while 'invisible'...

cruise
 Quoting: SnakeAirlines


They can be visible to the human eye as well. . . it all depends on the situation. . . size of particle, concentration, altitude, humidity, temperature, dissipating winds, lower cloud cover, night time versus day time, etc.. . .each situation is different. . . if I were managing an intentional covert aerosol injection program that is exactly what I would count on. . . . coffee4

Last Edited by George B on 06/18/2012 10:02 AM
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The scientists, who advocate geoengineering methods such as spraying millions of tonnes of reflective particles of sulphur dioxide 30 miles above earth...
 Quoting: FK NBL 2562242


SHILL!!!

Whore-Hay sez that 'particulates' can 'reflect' light while 'invisible'...

cruise
 Quoting: SnakeAirlines


They can be visible to the human eye as well. . . it all depends on the situation. . . size of particle, concentration, altitude, humidity, temperature, dissipating winds, lower cloud cover, night time versus day time, etc.. . .each situation is different. . . if I were managing an intentional covert aerosol injection program that is exactly what I would count on. . . . coffee4
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COVERT is the operative word here. . . .
Secrecy
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Chemtards don't understand some simple concepts...

For instance...

Chemtards have ZERO evidence that the trails in the sky are anything more than contrails.

Contrails can and DO spread out to fill the sky based on the how much moisture is already present, and how cold it is. This is a fact...not all contrails must dissipate within ANY time frame to be contrails. The atmospheric conditions determine how long a trail will last...or if it won't last at all.


Finding natural elements at ground level is evidence that natural elements are in nature...not that these elements (aluminum, barium, strontium...whatever) came from the trails.Natural elements are spread all around the earth through wind, water, erosion (wind and water) and many other natural processes including volcanoes, and the water cycle.


Those who disagree with the chemtards are NOT "disinfo-agents" or "shills". That's just ridiculous paranoid nonsense. One doesn't have to be working for "them" to point out that basic science and principles of aviation easily explain the trails in the sky. Just because I believe you to be wrong...and KNOW there is no evidence to support the chemtrail myth...Doesnt mean I'm a bad guy for pointing it out.



Just because someone finds a "patent" for a device or process for placing chemicals into the air...for any purpose...doesn't mean the trails we see have ANYTHING to do with the patent or process. It's pure assumption to believe that just because something you found on the internet involves "airplanes and spraying" that the trails must be related to the patent or process.

Many patents are filed for and are never made into a working model and not ever implemented. Now, this isn't to say that in the past...or even right now..someone isn't using one of these patents to spray something into the sky...I'm just saying that there isn't ANY evidence to link any trail in the sky, referred to as a "chemtrail", to any patent whatsoever. It's all speculation and assumptions...sorry!


Most chemtards are completely oblivious to to the world around them...and believe that they are supposed to have the right to pure, clean "air". There is no such thing...and never has been! There is always natural/man made products in our air...in varying quantities...from region to region...town to town...neighborhood to neighborhood. The industrial revolution has resulted in factories and industries spread all over the world...and each one of these facilities produces wastes based on their production and use of resources. There are many industries which use barium and aluminum in manufacturing and processes and these items end up in our air...all over the world.

Not to mention our personal contributions...Those of us with cars leave behind minute pieces of metal from internal friction...we create brake dust form our brake pads (guess what THEY are made of) we burn hydrocarbons and add water and combustion gases into the air through those processes. Chlorine from our pools is in the air...we spray all sorts of chemicals into the air with our household products. The HVAC industry is responsible for TONS of freon being but into our air...The list is literally endless...we are, and always have been, exposed to many chemicals and processes and you people focus on trails of water vapor in the sky?! It's just so sad that you people concentrate your efforts on such things...while ignoring/avoiding all the sources of pollution all around you.

I will be adding more things to this thread, based on the title, as I Think of them. Debunkers, feel free to add your own...chemtards, don't bother...This is a thread about what you people don't understand...there is an endless supply of threads with that information in them on GLP. No need to post your ignorance here.


Just because places have "banned chemtrails" or are working to do so, doesn't mean the trails in the sky are anything more than contrails. Any place which bans "chemtrails" will be in for a big surprise when it turns out that the trails remain in the sky....which they will...because they are contrails.
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contrails my a$$....

Eat this.... [link to imageevent.com]
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Chemtards don't understand some simple concepts...

For instance...

Chemtards have ZERO evidence that the trails in the sky are anything more than contrails.

Contrails can and DO spread out to fill the sky based on the how much moisture is already present, and how cold it is. This is a fact...not all contrails must dissipate within ANY time frame to be contrails. The atmospheric conditions determine how long a trail will last...or if it won't last at all.


Finding natural elements at ground level is evidence that natural elements are in nature...not that these elements (aluminum, barium, strontium...whatever) came from the trails.Natural elements are spread all around the earth through wind, water, erosion (wind and water) and many other natural processes including volcanoes, and the water cycle.


Those who disagree with the chemtards are NOT "disinfo-agents" or "shills". That's just ridiculous paranoid nonsense. One doesn't have to be working for "them" to point out that basic science and principles of aviation easily explain the trails in the sky. Just because I believe you to be wrong...and KNOW there is no evidence to support the chemtrail myth...Doesnt mean I'm a bad guy for pointing it out.



Just because someone finds a "patent" for a device or process for placing chemicals into the air...for any purpose...doesn't mean the trails we see have ANYTHING to do with the patent or process. It's pure assumption to believe that just because something you found on the internet involves "airplanes and spraying" that the trails must be related to the patent or process.

Many patents are filed for and are never made into a working model and not ever implemented. Now, this isn't to say that in the past...or even right now..someone isn't using one of these patents to spray something into the sky...I'm just saying that there isn't ANY evidence to link any trail in the sky, referred to as a "chemtrail", to any patent whatsoever. It's all speculation and assumptions...sorry!


Most chemtards are completely oblivious to to the world around them...and believe that they are supposed to have the right to pure, clean "air". There is no such thing...and never has been! There is always natural/man made products in our air...in varying quantities...from region to region...town to town...neighborhood to neighborhood. The industrial revolution has resulted in factories and industries spread all over the world...and each one of these facilities produces wastes based on their production and use of resources. There are many industries which use barium and aluminum in manufacturing and processes and these items end up in our air...all over the world.

Not to mention our personal contributions...Those of us with cars leave behind minute pieces of metal from internal friction...we create brake dust form our brake pads (guess what THEY are made of) we burn hydrocarbons and add water and combustion gases into the air through those processes. Chlorine from our pools is in the air...we spray all sorts of chemicals into the air with our household products. The HVAC industry is responsible for TONS of freon being but into our air...The list is literally endless...we are, and always have been, exposed to many chemicals and processes and you people focus on trails of water vapor in the sky?! It's just so sad that you people concentrate your efforts on such things...while ignoring/avoiding all the sources of pollution all around you.

I will be adding more things to this thread, based on the title, as I Think of them. Debunkers, feel free to add your own...chemtards, don't bother...This is a thread about what you people don't understand...there is an endless supply of threads with that information in them on GLP. No need to post your ignorance here.


Just because places have "banned chemtrails" or are working to do so, doesn't mean the trails in the sky are anything more than contrails. Any place which bans "chemtrails" will be in for a big surprise when it turns out that the trails remain in the sky....which they will...because they are contrails.
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contrails my a$$....

Eat this.... [link to imageevent.com]
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Yes, contrails...and no matter how many links you post to ignorant chemtard sites, contrails they will remain.
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They can be visible to the human eye as well. . . it all depends on the situation. . . size of particle, concentration, altitude, humidity, temperature, dissipating winds, lower cloud cover, night time versus day time, etc.. . .each situation is different. . . if I were managing an intentional covert aerosol injection program that is exactly what I would count on. . . .
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You'd count on you speaking gibberish?

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They can be visible to the human eye as well. . . it all depends on the situation. . . size of particle, concentration, altitude, humidity, temperature, dissipating winds, lower cloud cover, night time versus day time, etc.. . .each situation is different. . . if I were managing an intentional covert aerosol injection program that is exactly what I would count on. . . .
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You'd count on you speaking gibberish?

cruise
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Yes, and the authorities count on gibberish, and do speak it well. . . they are masters at it. . . .much, much better than I . . .1rof1

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A small group of leading climate scientists, financially supported by billionaires including Bill Gates, are lobbying governments and international bodies to back experiments into manipulating the climate on a global scale to avoid catastrophic climate change.

The scientists, who advocate geoengineering methods such as spraying millions of tonnes of reflective particles of sulphur dioxide 30 miles above earth, argue that a "plan B" for climate change will be needed if the UN and politicians cannot agree to making the necessary cuts in greenhouse gases, and say the US government and others should pay for a major programme of international research.

Solar geoengineering techniques are highly controversial: while some climate scientists believe they may prove a quick and relatively cheap way to slow global warming, others fear that when conducted in the upper atmosphere, they could irrevocably alter rainfall patterns and interfere with the earth's climate.

Geoengineering is opposed by many environmentalists, who say the technology could undermine efforts to reduce emissions, and by developing countries who fear it could be used as a weapon or by rich countries to their advantage. In 2010, the UN Convention on Biological Diversity declared a moratorium on experiments in the sea and space, except for small-scale scientific studies.

Concern is now growing that the small but influential group of scientists, and their backers, may have a disproportionate effect on major decisions about geoengineering research and policy.

"We will need to protect ourselves from vested interests [and] be sure that choices are not influenced by parties who might make significant amounts of money through a choice to modify climate, especially using proprietary intellectual property," said Jane Long, director at large for the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory in the US, in a paper delivered to a recent geoengineering conference on ethics.

"The stakes are very high and scientists are not the best people to deal with the social, ethical or political issues that geoengineering raises," said Doug Parr, chief scientist at Greenpeace. "The idea that a self-selected group should have so much influence is bizarre."

Pressure to find a quick technological fix to climate change is growing as politicians fail to reach an agreement to significantly reduce emissions. In 2009-2010, the US government received requests for over $2bn(£1.2bn) of grants for geoengineering research, but spent around $100m.

As well as Gates, other wealthy individuals including Sir Richard Branson, tar sands magnate Murray Edwards and the co-founder of Skype, Niklas Zennström, have funded a series of official reports into future use of the technology. Branson, who has frequently called for geoengineering to combat climate change, helped fund the Royal Society's inquiry into solar radiation management last year through his Carbon War Room charity. It is not known how much he contributed.

Professors David Keith, of Harvard University, and Ken Caldeira of Stanford, [see footnote] are the world's two leading advocates of major research into geoengineering the upper atmosphere to provide earth with a reflective shield. They have so far received over $4.6m from Gates to run the Fund for Innovative Climate and Energy Research (Ficer). Nearly half Ficer's money, which comes directly from Gates's personal funds, has so far been used for their own research, but the rest is disbursed by them to fund the work of other advocates of large-scale interventions.

According to statements of financial interests, Keith receives an undisclosed sum from Bill Gates each year, and is the president and majority owner of the geoengineering company Carbon Engineering, in which both Gates and Edwards have major stakes – believed to be together worth over $10m.

Another Edwards company, Canadian Natural Resources, has plans to spend $25bn to turn the bitumen-bearing sand found in northern Alberta into barrels of crude oil. Caldeira says he receives $375,000 a year from Gates, holds a carbon capture patent and works for Intellectual Ventures, a private geoegineering research company part-owned by Gates and run by Nathan Myhrvold, former head of technology at Microsoft.

According to the latest Ficer accounts, the two scientists have so far given $300,000 of Gates money to part-fund three prominent reviews and assessments of geoengineering – the UK Royal Society report on Solar Radiation Management, the US Taskforce on Geoengineering and a 2009 report by Novin a science thinktank based in Santa Barbara, California. Keith and Caldeira either sat on the panels that produced the reports or contributed evidence. All three reports strongly recommended more research into solar radiation management.

The fund also gave $600,000 to Phil Rasch, chief climate scientist for the Pacific Northwest national laboratory, one of 10 research institutions funded by the US energy department.

Rasch gave evidence at the first Royal Society report on geoengineering 2009 and was a panel member on the 2011 report. He has testified to the US Congress about the need for government funding of large-scale geoengineering. In addition, Caldeira and Keith gave a further $240,000 to geoengineering advocates to travel and attend workshops and meetings and $100,000 to Jay Apt, a prominent advocate of geoengineering as a last resort, and professor of engineering at Carnegie Mellon University. Apt worked with Keith and Aurora Flight Sciences, a US company that develops drone aircraft technology for the US military, to study the costs of sending 1m tonnes of sulphate particles into the upper atmosphere a year.

Analysis of the eight major national and international inquiries into geoengineering over the past three years shows that Keith and Caldeira, Rasch and Prof Granger Morgan the head of department of engineering and public policy at Carnegie Mellon University where Keith works, have sat on seven panels, including one set up by the UN. Three other strong advocates of solar radiation geoengineering, including Rasch, have sat on national inquiries part-funded by Ficer.

"There are clear conflicts of interest between many of the people involved in the debate," said Diana Bronson, a researcher with Montreal-based geoengineering watchdog ETC.

"What is really worrying is that the same small group working on high-risk technologies that will geoengineer the planet is also trying to engineer the discussion around international rules and regulations. We cannot put the fox in charge of the chicken coop."

"The eco-clique are lobbying for a huge injection of public funds into geoengineering research. They dominate virtually every inquiry into geoengineering. They are present in almost all of the expert deliberations. They have been the leading advisers to parliamentary and congressional inquiries and their views will, in all likelihood, dominate the deliberations of the UN's Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) as it grapples for the first time with the scientific and ethical tangle that is climate engineering," said Clive Hamilton, professor of Public Ethics at the Australian National University, in a Guardian blog.

The scientists involved reject this notion. "Even the perception that [a small group of people has] illegitimate influence [is] very unhealthy for a technology which has extreme power over the world. The concerns that a small group [is] dominating the debate are legitimate, but things are not as they were," said Keith. "It's changing as countries like India and China become involved. The era when my voice or that of a few was dominant is over. We need a very broad debate."

"Every scientist has some conflict of interest, because we would all like to see more resources going to study things that we find interesting," said Caldeira. "Do I have too much influence? I feel like I have too little. I have been calling for making CO2 emissions illegal for many years, but no one is listening to me. People who disagree with me might feel I have too much influence. The best way to reduce my influence is to have more public research funds available, so that our funds are in the noise. If the federal government played the role it should in this area, there would be no need for money from Gates.

"Regarding my own patents, I have repeatedly stated that if any patent that I am on is ever used for the purposes of altering climate, then any proceeds that accrue to me for this use will be donated to nonprofit NGOs and charities. I have no expectation or interest in developing a personal revenue stream based upon the use of these patents for climate modification.".

Rasch added: "I don't feel there is any conflict of interest. I don't lobby, work with patents or intellectual property, do classified research or work with for-profit companies. The research I do on geoengineering involves computer simulations and thinking about possible consequences. The Ficer foundation that has funded my research tries to be transparent in their activities, as do I."

• This article was amended on 8 February 2012. The original stated that Phil Rasch worked for Intellectual Ventures. This has been corrected. This article was further amended on 13 February 2012. Prof Caldeira has asked us to make clear that the fact that he advocates research into geoengineering does not mean he advocates geoengineering.
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Good Post, fck noble.
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I don't understand why you still circle jerk with these fake characters.

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Rational people can't understand why you think that people who present facts are "fake characters".
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Contrails and Aviation-induced Cirrus Clouds

"Our winters have not been as dramatically cold in recent years as they have been historically," Travis said. "Some of what has been attributed to global warming may be due to contrails that throw down a blanket of clouds to warm the nights."

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Reducing the extremes of day and night temperatures could have a subtle impact on ecosystems, Travis said. It may, for instance, increase insect populations that thrive better in moderate temperatures.

Some crops could also be affected. Cranberries and citrus orchards need a certain number of cold nights and warm days to ripen properly, Travis said.

Travis said he has mixed feelings about contrails. On the one hand they have been a prime focus of his research interest for the last 10 years. On the other hand they almost spoiled a recent vacation in the Pacific Northwest.

"There were so many contrails in the sky we weren't having any nice days," he said. "The contrails were making the days kind of gloomy and overcast. There aren't as many sunny days as we had when we were kids."verysad

[link to www.contrails.nl]

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Thanks for the facts about contrails that absolutely no one disputes...

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Gee, Whore-Hay...

Thanks for the facts about contrails that absolutely no one disputes...

pick
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pilot

Pssssst . . . don't tell anyone but they (Trails) are really more than contrails . . . they are a serious climatic factor . . . and eventually will have to be dealt with . . .

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Ninth USA/Europe Air Traffic Management Research and Development Seminar (ATM2011)


[link to www.aviationsystemsdivision.arc.nasa.gov]

Design of Aircraft Trajectories based on
Trade-offs between Emission Sources


Abstract – Aviation operations affect the climate in several
ways. Carbon dioxide, water vapor and other greenhouse
gasses are unavoidable by-product of the combustion of
fossil fuel. There are indications that persistent contrails
can lead to adverse climate change
, although the complete
effect on climate forcing is still uncertain. A flight
trajectory optimization algorithm with fuel and contrails
models, which develops alternative flight paths, provides
policy makers the necessary data to make trade-offs
between persistent contrails mitigation and aircraft fuel
consumption. This study develops an algorithm that
calculates wind-optimal trajectories for cruising aircraft
while reducing the amount of time spent in regions of
airspace prone to persistent contrails formation. The
optimal trajectories are developed by solving a non-linear
optimal control problem with path constraints. The
regions of airspace favorable to persistent contrails
formation are modeled as penalty areas that aircraft
should avoid. The trade-off between persistent contrails
formation and additional fuel consumption is investigated
for 12 city-pairs in the continental United States. The
avoidance of contrails using only horizontal maneuvers
results in a small reduction of contrails with increasing
fuel consumption. When both horizontal maneuvers and
altitude are optimized, a 2% increase in total fuel
consumption can reduce the total travel times through
contrail regions by more than 70%
. Allowing further
increase in fuel consumption does not seem to result in
proportionate reduction in contrail travel times. This
trend is maintained even in the presence of uncertainties
in the contrail formation regions such as uncertainties in
relative humidity values computed by weather forecast
models.

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Chemtards don't understand some simple concepts...

For instance...

Chemtards have ZERO evidence that the trails in the sky are anything more than contrails.

Contrails can and DO spread out to fill the sky based on the how much moisture is already present, and how cold it is. This is a fact...not all contrails must dissipate within ANY time frame to be contrails. The atmospheric conditions determine how long a trail will last...or if it won't last at all.


Finding natural elements at ground level is evidence that natural elements are in nature...not that these elements (aluminum, barium, strontium...whatever) came from the trails.Natural elements are spread all around the earth through wind, water, erosion (wind and water) and many other natural processes including volcanoes, and the water cycle.


Those who disagree with the chemtards are NOT "disinfo-agents" or "shills". That's just ridiculous paranoid nonsense. One doesn't have to be working for "them" to point out that basic science and principles of aviation easily explain the trails in the sky. Just because I believe you to be wrong...and KNOW there is no evidence to support the chemtrail myth...Doesnt mean I'm a bad guy for pointing it out.



Just because someone finds a "patent" for a device or process for placing chemicals into the air...for any purpose...doesn't mean the trails we see have ANYTHING to do with the patent or process. It's pure assumption to believe that just because something you found on the internet involves "airplanes and spraying" that the trails must be related to the patent or process.

Many patents are filed for and are never made into a working model and not ever implemented. Now, this isn't to say that in the past...or even right now..someone isn't using one of these patents to spray something into the sky...I'm just saying that there isn't ANY evidence to link any trail in the sky, referred to as a "chemtrail", to any patent whatsoever. It's all speculation and assumptions...sorry!


Most chemtards are completely oblivious to to the world around them...and believe that they are supposed to have the right to pure, clean "air". There is no such thing...and never has been! There is always natural/man made products in our air...in varying quantities...from region to region...town to town...neighborhood to neighborhood. The industrial revolution has resulted in factories and industries spread all over the world...and each one of these facilities produces wastes based on their production and use of resources. There are many industries which use barium and aluminum in manufacturing and processes and these items end up in our air...all over the world.

Not to mention our personal contributions...Those of us with cars leave behind minute pieces of metal from internal friction...we create brake dust form our brake pads (guess what THEY are made of) we burn hydrocarbons and add water and combustion gases into the air through those processes. Chlorine from our pools is in the air...we spray all sorts of chemicals into the air with our household products. The HVAC industry is responsible for TONS of freon being but into our air...The list is literally endless...we are, and always have been, exposed to many chemicals and processes and you people focus on trails of water vapor in the sky?! It's just so sad that you people concentrate your efforts on such things...while ignoring/avoiding all the sources of pollution all around you.

I will be adding more things to this thread, based on the title, as I Think of them. Debunkers, feel free to add your own...chemtards, don't bother...This is a thread about what you people don't understand...there is an endless supply of threads with that information in them on GLP. No need to post your ignorance here.


Just because places have "banned chemtrails" or are working to do so, doesn't mean the trails in the sky are anything more than contrails. Any place which bans "chemtrails" will be in for a big surprise when it turns out that the trails remain in the sky....which they will...because they are contrails.
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contrails my a$$....

Eat this.... [link to imageevent.com]
 Quoting: Perseus -


Yes, contrails...and no matter how many links you post to ignorant chemtard sites, contrails they will remain.
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^^^^^ Idiot in denial? or paid dis info?? ^^^^^ you choose
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Thanks for the facts about contrails that absolutely no one disputes...

pick
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pilot

Pssssst . . . don't tell anyone but they (Trails) are really more than contrails . . . they are a serious climatic factor . . . and eventually will have to be dealt with . . .
 Quoting: George B


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Gee, Whore-Hay...

Thanks for the facts about contrails that absolutely no one disputes...

pick
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pilot

Pssssst . . . don't tell anyone but they (Trails) are really more than contrails . . . they are a serious climatic factor . . . and eventually will have to be dealt with . . .
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Even if that's true...it doesn't change the fact that they are STILL contrails.
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+[- 691183:MV8xODg5OTU1XzMxNzkwMzExXzMxMTVDOUQz]
Chemtards don't understand some simple concepts...

For instance...

Chemtards have ZERO evidence that the trails in the sky are anything more than contrails.

Contrails can and DO spread out to fill the sky based on the how much moisture is already present, and how cold it is. This is a fact...not all contrails must dissipate within ANY time frame to be contrails. The atmospheric conditions determine how long a trail will last...or if it won't last at all.


Finding natural elements at ground level is evidence that natural elements are in nature...not that these elements (aluminum, barium, strontium...whatever) came from the trails.Natural elements are spread all around the earth through wind, water, erosion (wind and water) and many other natural processes including volcanoes, and the water cycle.


Those who disagree with the chemtards are NOT "disinfo-agents" or "shills". That's just ridiculous paranoid nonsense. One doesn't have to be working for "them" to point out that basic science and principles of aviation easily explain the trails in the sky. Just because I believe you to be wrong...and KNOW there is no evidence to support the chemtrail myth...Doesnt mean I'm a bad guy for pointing it out.



Just because someone finds a "patent" for a device or process for placing chemicals into the air...for any purpose...doesn't mean the trails we see have ANYTHING to do with the patent or process. It's pure assumption to believe that just because something you found on the internet involves "airplanes and spraying" that the trails must be related to the patent or process.

Many patents are filed for and are never made into a working model and not ever implemented. Now, this isn't to say that in the past...or even right now..someone isn't using one of these patents to spray something into the sky...I'm just saying that there isn't ANY evidence to link any trail in the sky, referred to as a "chemtrail", to any patent whatsoever. It's all speculation and assumptions...sorry!


Most chemtards are completely oblivious to to the world around them...and believe that they are supposed to have the right to pure, clean "air". There is no such thing...and never has been! There is always natural/man made products in our air...in varying quantities...from region to region...town to town...neighborhood to neighborhood. The industrial revolution has resulted in factories and industries spread all over the world...and each one of these facilities produces wastes based on their production and use of resources. There are many industries which use barium and aluminum in manufacturing and processes and these items end up in our air...all over the world.

Not to mention our personal contributions...Those of us with cars leave behind minute pieces of metal from internal friction...we create brake dust form our brake pads (guess what THEY are made of) we burn hydrocarbons and add water and combustion gases into the air through those processes. Chlorine from our pools is in the air...we spray all sorts of chemicals into the air with our household products. The HVAC industry is responsible for TONS of freon being but into our air...The list is literally endless...we are, and always have been, exposed to many chemicals and processes and you people focus on trails of water vapor in the sky?! It's just so sad that you people concentrate your efforts on such things...while ignoring/avoiding all the sources of pollution all around you.

I will be adding more things to this thread, based on the title, as I Think of them. Debunkers, feel free to add your own...chemtards, don't bother...This is a thread about what you people don't understand...there is an endless supply of threads with that information in them on GLP. No need to post your ignorance here.


Just because places have "banned chemtrails" or are working to do so, doesn't mean the trails in the sky are anything more than contrails. Any place which bans "chemtrails" will be in for a big surprise when it turns out that the trails remain in the sky....which they will...because they are contrails.
 Quoting: Noble


contrails my a$$....

Eat this.... [link to imageevent.com]
 Quoting: Perseus -


Yes, contrails...and no matter how many links you post to ignorant chemtard sites, contrails they will remain.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17975050


^^^^^ Idiot in denial? or paid dis info?? ^^^^^ you choose
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Nope, it's you who's in denial about your lack of knowledge in these subjects. Your suggestion that those who are educated in these subjects are paid to disagree with chemtards is evidence of your pathetic paranoia.
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contrails my a$$....

Eat this.... [link to imageevent.com]
 Quoting: Perseus -


Yes, contrails...and no matter how many links you post to ignorant chemtard sites, contrails they will remain.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17975050


^^^^^ Idiot in denial? or paid dis info?? ^^^^^ you choose
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Nope, it's you who's in denial about your lack of knowledge in these subjects. Your suggestion that those who are educated in these subjects are paid to disagree with chemtards is evidence of your pathetic paranoia.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17975050

we have an idiot debunkerwannabe here, so,
if you are still hungry,

eat this now...

The Official Prove that *they* chemtrailing people with heavy metals...

The official US Navy patent, chemtrailing device with photos

[link to www.cleanairandwater.net]

now crawl back to your hole, sucker ;)

Chemtrails, Not contrails, ok poor debunkerwannabe?
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+[- 691183:MV8xODg5OTU1XzMxODA0MDA4XzIwQjBCOTlD]
...


Yes, contrails...and no matter how many links you post to ignorant chemtard sites, contrails they will remain.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17975050


^^^^^ Idiot in denial? or paid dis info?? ^^^^^ you choose
 Quoting: Perseus -


Nope, it's you who's in denial about your lack of knowledge in these subjects. Your suggestion that those who are educated in these subjects are paid to disagree with chemtards is evidence of your pathetic paranoia.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17975050

we have an idiot debunkerwannabe here, so,
if you are still hungry,

eat this now...

The Official Prove that *they* chemtrailing people with heavy metals...

The official US Navy patent, chemtrailing device with photos

[link to www.cleanairandwater.net]

now crawl back to your hole, sucker ;)

Chemtrails, Not contrails, ok poor debunkerwannabe?
 Quoting: Perseus -


Sorry, that's just ignorant/stupid nonsense.

There is no evidence that the trails said to be "chemtrails" are anything more than contrails.


Read a book...ya poor chemtard.
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^^^^^ Idiot in denial? or paid dis info?? ^^^^^ you choose
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Nope, it's you who's in denial about your lack of knowledge in these subjects. Your suggestion that those who are educated in these subjects are paid to disagree with chemtards is evidence of your pathetic paranoia.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17975050

we have an idiot debunkerwannabe here, so,
if you are still hungry,

eat this now...

The Official Prove that *they* chemtrailing people with heavy metals...

The official US Navy patent, chemtrailing device with photos

[link to www.cleanairandwater.net]

now crawl back to your hole, sucker ;)

Chemtrails, Not contrails, ok poor debunkerwannabe?
 Quoting: Perseus -


Sorry, that's just ignorant/stupid nonsense.

There is no evidence that the trails said to be "chemtrails" are anything more than contrails.


Read a book...ya poor chemtard.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17975050


hands up, the guy is not a debunker (real debunkers work
with their facts (forgeting ofcourse the others facts) but
anyway they try to build a solid prove)

this guy dont use any facts, he just denies the facts
without explanations, a psycho or liar in denial

in one word, he is just a moron

he close the eyes in solid facts and proves, in despair
to continue live in his dark hole world

he probably believe (i dont say think, because he obviously cant) that earth is flat
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Nope, it's you who's in denial about your lack of knowledge in these subjects. Your suggestion that those who are educated in these subjects are paid to disagree with chemtards is evidence of your pathetic paranoia.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17975050

we have an idiot debunkerwannabe here, so,
if you are still hungry,

eat this now...

The Official Prove that *they* chemtrailing people with heavy metals...

The official US Navy patent, chemtrailing device with photos

[link to www.cleanairandwater.net]

now crawl back to your hole, sucker ;)

Chemtrails, Not contrails, ok poor debunkerwannabe?
 Quoting: Perseus -


Sorry, that's just ignorant/stupid nonsense.

There is no evidence that the trails said to be "chemtrails" are anything more than contrails.


Read a book...ya poor chemtard.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17975050


hands up, the guy is not a debunker (real debunkers work
with their facts (forgeting ofcourse the others facts) but
anyway they try to build a solid prove)

this guy dont use any facts, he just denies the facts
without explanations, a psycho or liar in denial

in one word, he is just a moron

he close the eyes in solid facts and proves, in despair
to continue live in his dark hole world

he probably believe (i dont say think, because he obviously cant) that earth is flat
 Quoting: Perseus -

the link which he have cut on purpose ofcourse...
best chemtrail link...
[link to imageevent.com]
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...


Nope, it's you who's in denial about your lack of knowledge in these subjects. Your suggestion that those who are educated in these subjects are paid to disagree with chemtards is evidence of your pathetic paranoia.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17975050

we have an idiot debunkerwannabe here, so,
if you are still hungry,

eat this now...

The Official Prove that *they* chemtrailing people with heavy metals...

The official US Navy patent, chemtrailing device with photos

[link to www.cleanairandwater.net]

now crawl back to your hole, sucker ;)

Chemtrails, Not contrails, ok poor debunkerwannabe?
 Quoting: Perseus -


Sorry, that's just ignorant/stupid nonsense.

There is no evidence that the trails said to be "chemtrails" are anything more than contrails.


Read a book...ya poor chemtard.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17975050


hands up, the guy is not a debunker (real debunkers work
with their facts (forgeting ofcourse the others facts) but
anyway they try to build a solid prove)

this guy dont use any facts, he just denies the facts
without explanations, a psycho or liar in denial

in one word, he is just a moron

he close the eyes in solid facts and proves, in despair
to continue live in his dark hole world

he probably believe (i dont say think, because he obviously cant) that earth is flat
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More barely intelligible nonsense.

You have no evidence that the trails in the sky are anything more than contrails, or have anything to do with any program/patent.

Sorry