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I still don't understand why anyone even responds to the shills in this regard tho

just a waste of energy

doesn't really matter what anyone else thinks

only they are delusional enough to believe it might
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No, water vapor from hydrocarbon combustion will always act in a certain And very predictable way given the atmospheric conditions.


Prove that the trails aren't contrails.
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Another point and comment completely ignored like a childish fool.
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I understood the point just fine...I just see no evidence that chemtards understand the science, and that anyone is making trails that look like contrails in an attempt to deceive anyone.

It's just paranoid belief...nothing more.
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So, those that believed something other than what scientists believed at the time held paranoid beliefs too?

Sun-Centered universe = Paranoid belief?
DNA transfers heredity = Paranoid belief?
Pluto is/is not a planet = Paranoid belief?
Germs spread infection = Paranoid belief?
The world is round not flat = Paranoid Belief?
Man in space = Paranoid Belief?

The list can go on and on, but here is a good one...

Many scientists believed that heavier-than-air flight was impossible for how long? Even after the Wright Brothers' flew their first flight there was skepticism, and their work was thought to be a hoax. The irony? Those that believed heavier-than-air flight was impossible had evidence to prove them wrong right above their heads. All they had to do was look up. Birds.
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When you prove that te trails are anything more than contrails, I'll admit you chemtards were right all along...so far, ya got nothing.


And the misunderstandings above have nothing to do with paranoia...stupid. Chemtards are paranoid losers because they believe their own people are spraying them with chemicals as part of a covert program. I guess that distinction is too much for you to grasp. I'm not surprised.
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I still don't understand why anyone even responds to the shills in this regard tho

just a waste of energy

doesn't really matter what anyone else thinks

only they are delusional enough to believe it might
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I have no doubt thatc chemtards are incapable of accepting my words as anything more than propaganda....because you are all paranoid losers.
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These links are for people who do care and want info. Trolls need not apply. Have a nice day! blwkss
[link to globalskywatch.com]

[link to aircrap.org]
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Ya got anything from people who have actually studied atmospheric science and aviation?!

I didn't think so.
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To declare that there is no evidence that chemtrails are dangerous is to ignore the evidence, which is immense. The evidence varies in quality, some of it is even worthless and does not constitute actual evidence; nonetheless evidence abounds, much of it persuasive.

In response to the argument that contrails can expand like chemtrails under certain atmospheric conditions: sounds plausible. Except: how do you explain a commerical airliner flyover in which the contrail dissipates rapidly, followed quickly by another aircraft flyover in which the chemtrail expands for hours? Same atmospherics, remarkably different results.

And by the way, insulting people who disagree with you does not constitute an argument.
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To declare that there is no evidence that chemtrails are dangerous is to ignore the evidence, which is immense. The evidence varies in quality, some of it is even worthless and does not constitute actual evidence; nonetheless evidence abounds, much of it persuasive.

In response to the argument that contrails can expand like chemtrails under certain atmospheric conditions: sounds plausible. Except: how do you explain a commerical airliner flyover in which the contrail dissipates rapidly, followed quickly by another aircraft flyover in which the chemtrail expands for hours? Same atmospherics, remarkably different results.

And by the way, insulting people who disagree with you does not constitute an argument.
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No, contrails dont expand like "chemtrails". The trails we all see, no matter how they behave, are contrails. I see no evidence to the contrary. The planes you were referring to could be at slightly differing altitudes, have different engine types, sizes or power settings. There are many variables. Differences in atmospheric conditions can take place in mere feet...which is why clouds have edges...think about it.mif the amount of water vapor from one jet isn't pushing the air past saturation, that doesn't mean the next one won't.

I never said that insult anyone as part of my argument...it's just a bonus.
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Ok, so STILL no evidence that the trails are anything more than contrails....got it...thanks for trying chemtards!
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12/21/2012 "Can you admit you are a shill?"

No, I can't. Because that would be a lie.

Can you admit that you are a gullible loser?
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I have never been on the "chemtrail" bandwagon, and still call them contrails, but I don't believe them to be pure clean water vapor.

Do contrails contain aluminum, aluminum oxide, and other minerals and chemicals? Of course they do, in trace amounts. You can't have an aluminum aircraft with mostly aluminum engine parts not exhausting small amounts of aluminum through engine wear. Of course, the same thing is true of modern automobiles with aluminum engine parts.

Finding aluminum in tree bark is hardly conclusive proof that it fell from the sky. It could have been blown in by a storm front from a nearby open pit mine, the nearest highway, a local factory, et cetera...

When I start hearing from a multitude of airline mechanics about unknown tanks, hoses, and external nozzles on the aircraft they work on, I'll reconsider this subject.
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I have never been on the "chemtrail" bandwagon, and still call them contrails, but I don't believe them to be pure clean water vapor.

Do contrails contain aluminum, aluminum oxide, and other minerals and chemicals? Of course they do, in trace amounts. You can't have an aluminum aircraft with mostly aluminum engine parts not exhausting small amounts of aluminum through engine wear. Of course, the same thing is true of modern automobiles with aluminum engine parts.

Finding aluminum in tree bark is hardly conclusive proof that it fell from the sky. It could have been blown in by a storm front from a nearby open pit mine, the nearest highway, a local factory, et cetera...

When I start hearing from a multitude of airline mechanics about unknown tanks, hoses, and external nozzles on the aircraft they work on, I'll reconsider this subject.
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Right..but they aren't part of an INTENTIONAL program to release these trace elements into the air...any more than ANY engine on the planet is being used to do so. Of course it's not just water vapor...there are trace amounts of elements in any process which involves friction. There are also combustion gases.

Aluminum is also a natural part of our soil...as bauxite.

I agree about the mechanics also. The fleet would ave to be so huge for this to be global. It would be impossible to keep it quiet. The supposed whistleblowers, so far, have been unreliable...and have been shown to have very limited knowledge of aviation and aircraft mechanics. They have been nothing but deceptive chemtards.
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I have never been on the "chemtrail" bandwagon, and still call them contrails, but I don't believe them to be pure clean water vapor.

Do contrails contain aluminum, aluminum oxide, and other minerals and chemicals? Of course they do, in trace amounts. You can't have an aluminum aircraft with mostly aluminum engine parts not exhausting small amounts of aluminum through engine wear. Of course, the same thing is true of modern automobiles with aluminum engine parts.

Finding aluminum in tree bark is hardly conclusive proof that it fell from the sky. It could have been blown in by a storm front from a nearby open pit mine, the nearest highway, a local factory, et cetera...

When I start hearing from a multitude of airline mechanics about unknown tanks, hoses, and external nozzles on the aircraft they work on, I'll reconsider this subject.
 Quoting: Rabid_Wolf


Ask Noble why the maximum standard for sulfur compounds in jets fuel is 3,000 ppm when the fuels delivered supposedly everyday to aircraft averages 300 - 500 ppm . . Also ask why research was conducted to see how fuel as high as 5,500 ppm was tested in aircraft to test the engine performance and exhaust visibility characteristics . . .this was done around 1995. . . .by-the-way the maximum standard is still 3,000 ppm while all other standards for fuel have been lower to the double digits. . . .coffee4
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I have never been on the "chemtrail" bandwagon, and still call them contrails, but I don't believe them to be pure clean water vapor.

Do contrails contain aluminum, aluminum oxide, and other minerals and chemicals? Of course they do, in trace amounts. You can't have an aluminum aircraft with mostly aluminum engine parts not exhausting small amounts of aluminum through engine wear. Of course, the same thing is true of modern automobiles with aluminum engine parts.

Finding aluminum in tree bark is hardly conclusive proof that it fell from the sky. It could have been blown in by a storm front from a nearby open pit mine, the nearest highway, a local factory, et cetera...

When I start hearing from a multitude of airline mechanics about unknown tanks, hoses, and external nozzles on the aircraft they work on, I'll reconsider this subject.
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Ask Noble why the maximum standard for sulfur compounds in jets fuel is 3,000 ppm when the fuels delivered supposedly everyday to aircraft averages 300 - 500 ppm . . Also ask why research was conducted to see how fuel as high as 5,500 ppm was tested in aircraft to test the engine performance and exhaust visibility characteristics . . .this was done around 1995. . . .by-the-way the maximum standard is still 3,000 ppm while all other standards for fuel have been lower to the double digits. . . .coffee4
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Ask George why he jumps to conclusions about sulfur levels in fuel.

And then ask George why he jumps to conclusions instead of contacting these researchers directly.

And ask Gearge if he completely understands how elements can migrate between layers of the atmosphere...up AND down...and why thats important as it relates to the spread of natural elements in the air.


Then ask George why he's a paranoid doofus.


Then ask George why he is so prone to jumping to conclusions...even though he claims to be a man of science.
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Ask Noble why the maximum standard for sulfur compounds in jets fuel is 3,000 ppm when the fuels delivered supposedly everyday to aircraft averages 300 - 500 ppm . . Also ask why research was conducted to see how fuel as high as 5,500 ppm was tested in aircraft to test the engine performance and exhaust visibility characteristics . . .this was done around 1995. . . .by-the-way the maximum standard is still 3,000 ppm while all other standards for fuel have been lower to the double digits. . . .coffee4
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I don't need to ask about that one.

Fuel is cheaper with higher sulfur content in it. Removing the sulfur from the fuel drives up the price.
Domestic (US) crude oil can have up to 2.5% sulfur content which needs to be removed during the refining process.

(Humans do really stupid shit to save money)

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Ask Noble why the maximum standard for sulfur compounds in jets fuel is 3,000 ppm when the fuels delivered supposedly everyday to aircraft averages 300 - 500 ppm . . Also ask why research was conducted to see how fuel as high as 5,500 ppm was tested in aircraft to test the engine performance and exhaust visibility characteristics . . .this was done around 1995. . . .by-the-way the maximum standard is still 3,000 ppm while all other standards for fuel have been lower to the double digits. . . .coffee4
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I don't need to ask about that one.

Fuel is cheaper with higher sulfur content in it. Removing the sulfur from the fuel drives up the price.
Domestic (US) crude oil can have up to 2.5% sulfur content which needs to be removed during the refining process.

(Humans do really stupid shit to save money)
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2.5% is roughly 2,500 ppm. . . Still a far cry fro 5,500 ppm tested. . . Also, you have just demonstrated how refineries could just pass through 2,500 ppm to airlines cheaper than removing it . . . What an incentive to cooperate or look the other way when necessary . . . coffee4
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I have never been on the "chemtrail" bandwagon, and still call them contrails, but I don't believe them to be pure clean water vapor.

Do contrails contain aluminum, aluminum oxide, and other minerals and chemicals? Of course they do, in trace amounts. You can't have an aluminum aircraft with mostly aluminum engine parts not exhausting small amounts of aluminum through engine wear. Of course, the same thing is true of modern automobiles with aluminum engine parts.

Finding aluminum in tree bark is hardly conclusive proof that it fell from the sky. It could have been blown in by a storm front from a nearby open pit mine, the nearest highway, a local factory, et cetera...

When I start hearing from a multitude of airline mechanics about unknown tanks, hoses, and external nozzles on the aircraft they work on, I'll reconsider this subject.
 Quoting: Rabid_Wolf


Ask Noble why the maximum standard for sulfur compounds in jets fuel is 3,000 ppm when the fuels delivered supposedly everyday to aircraft averages 300 - 500 ppm . . Also ask why research was conducted to see how fuel as high as 5,500 ppm was tested in aircraft to test the engine performance and exhaust visibility characteristics . . .this was done around 1995. . . .by-the-way the maximum standard is still 3,000 ppm while all other standards for fuel have been lower to the double digits. . . .coffee4
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Ask George why he jumps to conclusions about sulfur levels in fuel.

And then ask George why he jumps to conclusions instead of contacting these researchers directly.

And ask Gearge if he completely understands how elements can migrate between layers of the atmosphere...up AND down...and why thats important as it relates to the spread of natural elements in the air.


Then ask George why he's a paranoid doofus.


Then ask George why he is so prone to jumping to conclusions...even though he claims to be a man of science.
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"And ask Gearge if he completely understands how elements can migrate between layers of the atmosphere...up AND down...and why thats important as it relates to the spread of natural elements in the air."

What do you want to know Noble. . . .aerosols and particulates while suspended will tend to go from higher concentrations to lower
concentrations. . . . Will be carried by up and down drafts, prevailing winds, jet streams, frontal systems, etc. . . .the tropopause forms a barrier to some extent but does not keep sulfur compounds from migrating into the troposphere below from the stratosphere above and vise versa . . . coffee4

So Noble how does the migration of substances between atmospheric
layers prevent the existence of an intentional covert aerosol injection program??????grinning

Last Edited by George B on 06/24/2012 02:05 PM
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:C - Atmosphere:
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Hey George, if sulfur is responsible fo the look of the trails, why do they stop and start?!

Is the pilot varying the mixture? Is he/ she switching tanks back and forth? Why are some trails long..while others are short?
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I have never been on the "chemtrail" bandwagon, and still call them contrails, but I don't believe them to be pure clean water vapor.

Do contrails contain aluminum, aluminum oxide, and other minerals and chemicals? Of course they do, in trace amounts. You can't have an aluminum aircraft with mostly aluminum engine parts not exhausting small amounts of aluminum through engine wear. Of course, the same thing is true of modern automobiles with aluminum engine parts.

Finding aluminum in tree bark is hardly conclusive proof that it fell from the sky. It could have been blown in by a storm front from a nearby open pit mine, the nearest highway, a local factory, et cetera...

When I start hearing from a multitude of airline mechanics about unknown tanks, hoses, and external nozzles on the aircraft they work on, I'll reconsider this subject.
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Ask Noble why the maximum standard for sulfur compounds in jets fuel is 3,000 ppm when the fuels delivered supposedly everyday to aircraft averages 300 - 500 ppm . . Also ask why research was conducted to see how fuel as high as 5,500 ppm was tested in aircraft to test the engine performance and exhaust visibility characteristics . . .this was done around 1995. . . .by-the-way the maximum standard is still 3,000 ppm while all other standards for fuel have been lower to the double digits. . . .coffee4
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Ask George why he jumps to conclusions about sulfur levels in fuel.

And then ask George why he jumps to conclusions instead of contacting these researchers directly.

And ask Gearge if he completely understands how elements can migrate between layers of the atmosphere...up AND down...and why thats important as it relates to the spread of natural elements in the air.


Then ask George why he's a paranoid doofus.


Then ask George why he is so prone to jumping to conclusions...even though he claims to be a man of science.
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"And ask Gearge if he completely understands how elements can migrate between layers of the atmosphere...up AND down...and why thats important as it relates to the spread of natural elements in the air."

What do you want to know Noble. . . .aerosols and particulates while suspended will tend to go from higher concentrations to lower
concentrations. . . . Will be carried by up and down drafts, prevailing winds, jet streams, frontal systems, etc. . . .the tropopause forms a barrier to some extent but does not keep sulfur compounds from migrating into the troposphere below from the stratosphere above and vise versa . . . coffee4

So Noble how does the migration of substances between atmospheric
layers prevent the existence of an intentional covert aerosol injection program??????grinning
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It doesn't...but it could explain how natural sulfur finds its way through the
layers...without being injected intentionally,
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2.5% is roughly 2,500 ppm. . . Still a far cry fro 5,500 ppm tested. . . Also, you have just demonstrated how refineries could just pass through 2,500 ppm to airlines cheaper than removing it . . . What an incentive to cooperate or look the other way when necessary . . . coffee4
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Um.... you left out a zero there:
1% = 10,000ppm
10% = 100,000ppm
100% - 1,000,000ppm

That would be 25,000 ppm.

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2.5% is roughly 2,500 ppm. . . Still a far cry fro 5,500 ppm tested. . . Also, you have just demonstrated how refineries could just pass through 2,500 ppm to airlines cheaper than removing it . . . What an incentive to cooperate or look the other way when necessary . . . coffee4
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Um.... you left out a zero there:
1% = 10,000ppm
10% = 100,000ppm
100% - 1,000,000ppm

That would be 25,000 ppm.
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chuckle
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2.5% is roughly 2,500 ppm. . . Still a far cry fro 5,500 ppm tested. . . Also, you have just demonstrated how refineries could just pass through 2,500 ppm to airlines cheaper than removing it . . . What an incentive to cooperate or look the other way when necessary . . . coffee4
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Um.... you left out a zero there:
1% = 10,000ppm
10% = 100,000ppm
100% - 1,000,000ppm

That would be 25,000 ppm.
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0.25% would be 2,500 ppm

You are correct my error . . . However . . . . It just makes it even easier . . .to push elevated sulfur containing jet fuel out of refineries . . . coffee4

Last Edited by George B on 06/24/2012 08:41 PM
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Hey George, if sulfur is responsible fo the look of the trails, why do they stop and start?!

Is the pilot varying the mixture? Is he/ she switching tanks back and forth? Why are some trails long..while others are short?
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Noble,


Multiple factors . . . Up-drafts, downdrafts, fronts, pockets of dry air . . . Other aircraft which have added enough moisture to spontaneously cause persistent trails where there were none before . . . And of course what you suggested above . . . Including changing the performance levels of the engines in flight . . . Dumping fuel, changing altitude by climbing or descending . . . Changing control surfaces . . . I am sure there are others . . .

As I have always said . . . visibility to the human eye is not the only characteristic of an aerosol released at any altitude . . . Persistence depends on the atmospheric environment no matter what is in an aerosol; and even if visible . . . It will always become invisible shortly either in a few seconds or a few hours . . . coffee4
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Hey George, if sulfur is responsible fo the look of the trails, why do they stop and start?!

Is the pilot varying the mixture? Is he/ she switching tanks back and forth? Why are some trails long..while others are short?
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Noble,


Multiple factors . . . Up-drafts, downdrafts, fronts, pockets of dry air . . . Other aircraft which have added enough moisture to spontaneously cause persistent trails where there were none before . . . And of course what you suggested above . . . Including changing the performance levels of the engines in flight . . . Dumping fuel, changing altitude by climbing or descending . . . Changing control surfaces . . . I am sure there are others . . .

As I have always said . . . visibility to the human eye is not the only characteristic of an aerosol released at any altitude . . . Persistence depends on the atmospheric environment no matter what is in an aerosol; and even if visible . . . It will always become invisible shortly either in a few seconds or a few hours . . . coffee4
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clappa
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Hey George, if sulfur is responsible fo the look of the trails, why do they stop and start?!

Is the pilot varying the mixture? Is he/ she switching tanks back and forth? Why are some trails long..while others are short?
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Noble,


Multiple factors . . . Up-drafts, downdrafts, fronts, pockets of dry air . . . Other aircraft which have added enough moisture to spontaneously cause persistent trails where there were none before . . . And of course what you suggested above . . . Including changing the performance levels of the engines in flight . . . Dumping fuel, changing altitude by climbing or descending . . . Changing control surfaces . . . I am sure there are others . . .

As I have always said . . . visibility to the human eye is not the only characteristic of an aerosol released at any altitude . . . Persistence depends on the atmospheric environment no matter what is in an aerosol; and even if visible . . . It will always become invisible shortly either in a few seconds or a few hours . . . coffee4
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Funny how you just described how CONTRAILS. Behave, but I never see you helping your fellow chemtard to understand that.
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Hey George, if sulfur is responsible fo the look of the trails, why do they stop and start?!

Is the pilot varying the mixture? Is he/ she switching tanks back and forth? Why are some trails long..while others are short?
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Noble,


Multiple factors . . . Up-drafts, downdrafts, fronts, pockets of dry air . . . Other aircraft which have added enough moisture to spontaneously cause persistent trails where there were none before . . . And of course what you suggested above . . . Including changing the performance levels of the engines in flight . . . Dumping fuel, changing altitude by climbing or descending . . . Changing control surfaces . . . I am sure there are others . . .

As I have always said . . . visibility to the human eye is not the only characteristic of an aerosol released at any altitude . . . Persistence depends on the atmospheric environment no matter what is in an aerosol; and even if visible . . . It will always become invisible shortly either in a few seconds or a few hours . . . coffee4
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clappa
 Quoting: CriticalThinking


Am I to understand that you don't think you can tell the difference between a contrail and "chemtrail" just by looking at them? And you understand the variables which change the behavior of the visible trails in the sky?!

Wow, you chemtards are finally understanding what contrails are...

Congratulations!


Now, if you could only provide even the slightest evidence that "chemtrails" exist...

Good Luck!

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Hey George, if sulfur is responsible fo the look of the trails, why do they stop and start?!

Is the pilot varying the mixture? Is he/ she switching tanks back and forth? Why are some trails long..while others are short?
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Noble,


Multiple factors . . . Up-drafts, downdrafts, fronts, pockets of dry air . . . Other aircraft which have added enough moisture to spontaneously cause persistent trails where there were none before . . . And of course what you suggested above . . . Including changing the performance levels of the engines in flight . . . Dumping fuel, changing altitude by climbing or descending . . . Changing control surfaces . . . I am sure there are others . . .

As I have always said . . . visibility to the human eye is not the only characteristic of an aerosol released at any altitude . . . Persistence depends on the atmospheric environment no matter what is in an aerosol; and even if visible . . . It will always become invisible shortly either in a few seconds or a few hours . . . coffee4
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Funny how you just described how CONTRAILS. Behave, but I never see you helping your fellow chemtard to understand that.

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Noble, I have never said anything different. . . .you either don't read or don't understand what I am communicating . . .I think what you call persistent contrails are in essence what others call chemtrails. . . And what most people who believe in chemtrails see as chemtrails are persistent trails and cirrus cloud banks which I think are the result of an intentional policy by those in positions to dictate policy to experiment with global dimming and localized as well as global climate change. . .
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Hey George, if sulfur is responsible fo the look of the trails, why do they stop and start?!

Is the pilot varying the mixture? Is he/ she switching tanks back and forth? Why are some trails long..while others are short?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17975050


Noble,


Multiple factors . . . Up-drafts, downdrafts, fronts, pockets of dry air . . . Other aircraft which have added enough moisture to spontaneously cause persistent trails where there were none before . . . And of course what you suggested above . . . Including changing the performance levels of the engines in flight . . . Dumping fuel, changing altitude by climbing or descending . . . Changing control surfaces . . . I am sure there are others . . .

As I have always said . . . visibility to the human eye is not the only characteristic of an aerosol released at any altitude . . . Persistence depends on the atmospheric environment no matter what is in an aerosol; and even if visible . . . It will always become invisible shortly either in a few seconds or a few hours . . . coffee4
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clappa
 Quoting: CriticalThinking



Am I to understand that you don't think you can tell the difference between a contrail and "chemtrail" just by looking at them? And you understand the variables which change the behavior of the visible trails in the sky?!

Wow, you chemtards are finally understanding what contrails are...

Congratulations!


Now, if you could only provide even the slightest evidence that "chemtrails" exist...

Good Luck!
 Quoting: Noble

It is a waste of time and money. . . .since they are basically the same thing. . .except for possibly a rare dedicated flight . . . The chance to catch that flight would be like finding a needle in an ocean. . . peace
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Hey George, if sulfur is responsible fo the look of the trails, why do they stop and start?!

Is the pilot varying the mixture? Is he/ she switching tanks back and forth? Why are some trails long..while others are short?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17975050


Noble,


Multiple factors . . . Up-drafts, downdrafts, fronts, pockets of dry air . . . Other aircraft which have added enough moisture to spontaneously cause persistent trails where there were none before . . . And of course what you suggested above . . . Including changing the performance levels of the engines in flight . . . Dumping fuel, changing altitude by climbing or descending . . . Changing control surfaces . . . I am sure there are others . . .

As I have always said . . . visibility to the human eye is not the only characteristic of an aerosol released at any altitude . . . Persistence depends on the atmospheric environment no matter what is in an aerosol; and even if visible . . . It will always become invisible shortly either in a few seconds or a few hours . . . coffee4
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Funny how you just described how CONTRAILS. Behave, but I never see you helping your fellow chemtard to understand that.

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Noble, I have never said anything different. . . .you either don't read or don't understand what I am communicating . . .I think what you call persistent contrails are in essence what others call chemtrails. . . And what most people who believe in chemtrails see as chemtrails are persistent trails and cirrus cloud banks which I think are the result of an intentional policy by those in positions to dictate policy to experiment with global dimming and localized as well as global climate change. . .
.coffee4
 Quoting: George B


Or, you are failing to properly communicate your beliefs. What I see is people are posting images of long lasting trails which they refer to as "chemtrails" and short lived trails, which they refer to as "ordinary contrails"....and I never see you try to help. Yes, these things are aerosols...just as the billions and billions of other sources of aerosols which you cant prove are intentional.

And these trails have a name...and chemtards are calling them something else...which makes them WRONG! It's not about what I call them, it's what they ARE!~ They have always been, and always will be...CONTRAILS...regardless of what paranoid losers call them...or what they believe their purpose to be. Why do you refuse to help them? Oh yeah...because you "believe" that contrails are a subset of "chemtrails". Convenient...even though you perfectly explained above how these trails of water vapor behave...with or without the added sulfur you claim to be in them...

crazy

It's up to you to provide evidence of intent...and you have failed...over and over again.

Just because they don't see the benefit VS cost doesn't mean it's a conscious decision to place the aerosols into the air.

And what about the AWAC contrail over the UK, didn't you spend days on the fact that it was visible?! I love how you flip-flop back in forth on the importance of whether or not the visibility matters.

Last Edited by Noble on 06/25/2012 08:22 AM
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Noble,


Multiple factors . . . Up-drafts, downdrafts, fronts, pockets of dry air . . . Other aircraft which have added enough moisture to spontaneously cause persistent trails where there were none before . . . And of course what you suggested above . . . Including changing the performance levels of the engines in flight . . . Dumping fuel, changing altitude by climbing or descending . . . Changing control surfaces . . . I am sure there are others . . .

As I have always said . . . visibility to the human eye is not the only characteristic of an aerosol released at any altitude . . . Persistence depends on the atmospheric environment no matter what is in an aerosol; and even if visible . . . It will always become invisible shortly either in a few seconds or a few hours . . . coffee4
 Quoting: George B


clappa
 Quoting: CriticalThinking



Am I to understand that you don't think you can tell the difference between a contrail and "chemtrail" just by looking at them? And you understand the variables which change the behavior of the visible trails in the sky?!

Wow, you chemtards are finally understanding what contrails are...

Congratulations!


Now, if you could only provide even the slightest evidence that "chemtrails" exist...

Good Luck!
 Quoting: Noble

It is a waste of time and money. . . .since they are basically the same thing. . .except for possibly a rare dedicated flight . . . The chance to catch that flight would be like finding a needle in an ocean. . . peace
 Quoting: George B


What's a waste of time and money?

And no, contrails aren't "chemtrails" any more than the exhaust from my car is "chemtrails"...

When things already have a name...you are NOT qualified to change the name. If you think contrails are polluting or are part of an intentional aerosol program...they are STILL contrails regardless. Sorry!

And there is NO EVIDENCE that anything is being deposited into the atmosphere through any "flight". It could be dedicated balloons...or blimps, or done through some secret space plane that NASA has...or any number of other devices...if its actually happening. You have NO EVIDENCE that any airplane is involved whatsoever.
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Or, you are failing to properly communicate your beliefs. What I see is people are posting images of long lasting trails which they refer to as "chemtrails" and short lived trails, which they refer to as "ordinary contrails"....and I never see you try to help. Yes, these things are aerosols...just as the billions and billions of other sources of aerosols which you cant prove are intentional.

And these trails have a name...and chemtards are calling them something else...which makes them WRONG! It's not about what I call them, it''s what they ARE!~ They have always been, and always will be...CONTRAILS...regardless of what paranoid losers call them...or what they believe their purpose to be. Why do you refuse to help them? Oh yeah...because you "believe" that contrails are a subset of "chemtrails". Convenient...even though you perfectly explained above how these trails of water vapor behave...with or without the added sulfur you claim to be in them...

crazy

It's up to you to provide evidence of intent...and you have failed...over and over again.

Just because they don't see the benefit VS cost doesn't mean it's a concious decision to place the aerosols into the air.

And what about the AWAC contrail over the UK, didn't you spend days on the fact that it was visible?! I love how you flip-flop back in forth on the importance of whether or not the visibility matters.
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Noble, it takes time for people to understand the complexities of atmospheric concepts. . . .you have said so your self. . . .but by calling people idiots, etc is not the way to accomplish an education. . . . or change of understanding . . . I also don't know what other people know or have witnessed . . . so unlike you I keep an open mind . . . I am not sure that everything on video and photos are simply persistent contrails as you say . . . I simply don't knowcoffee4

1) The persistent trails in the sky when noticed by people illicit an emotional response. . . .usually a negative almost primeval response. . . .

2) Visibility of trails though fleeting is how most people interested in the issue became fascinated by the concept or conspiracy theory . . . So even though visibility is a limited characteristic it is important and cannot be
ignored in the discussion. . . .

3) IMO, A careful investigation of the history, behavior and scientific discussions from NASA, NOAA, DoE, IPCC, International Regulatory Groups, Treaties, laws, Military tactical and Strategic capabilities and weapon systems, Geoengineering Symposia & research, etc . alone would alert someone that some type of intentional covert aerosol injection program could have
and presently exists. . . .

Last Edited by George B on 06/25/2012 08:36 AM
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 Quoting: CriticalThinking



Am I to understand that you don't think you can tell the difference between a contrail and "chemtrail" just by looking at them? And you understand the variables which change the behavior of the visible trails in the sky?!

Wow, you chemtards are finally understanding what contrails are...

Congratulations!


Now, if you could only provide even the slightest evidence that "chemtrails" exist...

Good Luck!
 Quoting: Noble

It is a waste of time and money. . . .since they are basically the same thing. . .except for possibly a rare dedicated flight . . . The chance to catch that flight would be like finding a needle in an ocean. . . peace
 Quoting: George B


What's a waste of time and money?

And no, contrails aren't "chemtrails" any more than the exhaust from my
car is "chemtrails"...

When things already have a name...you are NOT qualified to change the name. If you think contrails are polluting or are part of an intentional aerosol program...they are STILL contrails regardless. Sorry!

And there is NO EVIDENCE that anything is being deposited into the atmosphere through any "flight". It could be dedicated balloons...or blimps, or done through some secret space plane that NASA has...or any number of other devices...if its actually happening. You have NO EVIDENCE that any airplane is involved whatsoever.

 Quoting: Noble


I am just as qualified as anyone else to change the name or definition of a word or concept . . . Either people accept what I present or reject it. . . That is the way it works. . . .do you think words have only one meaning and never change. . . .???? They change all the time. . . .especially when they don't properly describe a seed change in a concept or meaning when new data or understanding is uncovered. . . .coffee4


You can yell all you want . . . It is the people who ultimately decide by their use of a word what meaning it will or will not have and not
necessarily the experts . . . LoL!!!!!

Last Edited by George B on 06/25/2012 08:55 AM
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