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IS GOD UNFAIR?

 
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permission to copy/paste - "You can now win souls to christ by highlighting or copying all, or portions of this message." - christconnection.org

JUNE 5, 2012

IS GOD UNFAIR?

One of the great stumbling blocks for people who WANT TO reject Jesus Christ is that they view the Christian message as "UNFAIR":

If Salvation is thru Jesus and JESUS ALONE, if people can't be saved any other way, what about the millions who never got to hear the Gospel?

What about Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists?

HOW can a just and loving God hold them responsible for a message they never heard?

God says [Romans 1:20] they are WITHOUT EXCUSE.

Why? Because the heavens, the earth, and the entire Creation, declare that THERE IS A GOD [Psalms 19:1].

If there is a God, and they knew from all the wonders in and around them, that HE IS, WHY in heaven's name DID THEY NOT SEEK HIM?

God gives His Word that ANYONE, at any point in human history, WHO SEEKS HIM with ALL their heart, WILL FIND HIM [Deuteronomy 4:29; Jeremiah 29:13].

If they haven't found Him, it's because they have NOT sought Him.

Had they sought Him, He would have moved heaven and earth to get the Gospel to them.

And if they have sought God at all, it hasn't been from a sincere, fully surrendered heart, determined to accept that ONE TRUE GOD, whoever He may be, or ACCEPT HIS WILL, and whatever He may require.

They want "God" with CONDITIONS.

Preconditions come from a REBELLIOUS heart.

They "want God", but won't come to Him HIS WAY, which is Jesus. They want to come to Him THEIR way.

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[link to www.christconnection.net]

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He still owes me a buck!!!
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thanks for that op!
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y.w.- I just love that guy's site cause he always shoots it straight - no religion - just Jesus and his word.hf
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God gave us the gift of suffering while he chills out in paradise.

Therefore:

God is a bit of an asshole.
:sun:Ardhanarishvara | You died, and death was complete freedom from suffering - bliss. But it very quickly got lonely and repetitive in bliss, so you decided to be born once more. You've been doing this forever.

Whilst I may not agree with what you say, I will defend to the death my right to disagree with you.

Some say "think outside the box". I say "what fucking box?!" xx:taosmilie:
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Are you forgetting about Jesus' suffering?

Also, don't forget about "the glory that follows this life and that our suffering isn't worthy to compare" with the bliss in paradise that follows.
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Are you forgetting about Jesus' suffering?

Also, don't forget about "the glory that follows this life and that our suffering isn't worthy to compare" with the bliss in paradise that follows.
 Quoting: Morganite


So what you're saying is

That god is a sadomasochist

and expects us to follow his lead?
:sun:Ardhanarishvara | You died, and death was complete freedom from suffering - bliss. But it very quickly got lonely and repetitive in bliss, so you decided to be born once more. You've been doing this forever.

Whilst I may not agree with what you say, I will defend to the death my right to disagree with you.

Some say "think outside the box". I say "what fucking box?!" xx:taosmilie:
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No, God the son (Jesus) doesn't ask us to suffer as much as he did on the cross. And we don't suffer to earn our salvation, but it proves we are his followers if we do suffer with a good attitude.

Like, I have to but up with an a_ _ for a co-worker who is also a brown noser and lies about us to the boss behind our backs. After getting mad about it, I asked God to help me deal with it and continue to put up with her.
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No, God the son (Jesus) doesn't ask us to suffer as much as he did on the cross. And we don't suffer to earn our salvation, but it proves we are his followers if we do suffer with a good attitude.

Like, I have to but up with an a_ _ for a co-worker who is also a brown noser and lies about us to the boss behind our backs. After getting mad about it, I asked God to help me deal with it and continue to put up with her.
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So dying on the cross is worse than:

Child abuse

Starving to death

Spending your whole life in a basement in austria getting raped by your dad

The holocaust

Cancer

????
:sun:Ardhanarishvara | You died, and death was complete freedom from suffering - bliss. But it very quickly got lonely and repetitive in bliss, so you decided to be born once more. You've been doing this forever.

Whilst I may not agree with what you say, I will defend to the death my right to disagree with you.

Some say "think outside the box". I say "what fucking box?!" xx:taosmilie:
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Hey Demonic, mind telling us what you personally believe? Are you an atheist? Agnostic? Are you into alternative spirituality?
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Hey Demonic, mind telling us what you personally believe? Are you an atheist? Agnostic? Are you into alternative spirituality?
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I believe in God, and i believe that he is a bit of an asshole.


edit: exchange "believe" for "know"

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:sun:Ardhanarishvara | You died, and death was complete freedom from suffering - bliss. But it very quickly got lonely and repetitive in bliss, so you decided to be born once more. You've been doing this forever.

Whilst I may not agree with what you say, I will defend to the death my right to disagree with you.

Some say "think outside the box". I say "what fucking box?!" xx:taosmilie:
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Those are caused by Satan and Sin - God put us in paradise(Eden) and we chose to follow Satan and those things are the results.

But thanks be to God, he provided a way for us to get back in fellowship with him thru his son. And he's returning to set this earth back to perfection by getting rid of evil things and people.

Anyone who is o.K. with God's above plan is invited to join him.
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Those are caused by Satan and Sin - God put us in paradise(Eden) and we chose to follow Satan and those things are the results.

But thanks be to God, he provided a way for us to get back in fellowship with him thru his son. And he's returning to set this earth back to perfection by getting rid of evil things and people.

Anyone who is o.K. with God's above plan is invited to join him.
 Quoting: Morganite


So, whilst god COULD'VE created us without these sinful urges, he decided to include them?
:sun:Ardhanarishvara | You died, and death was complete freedom from suffering - bliss. But it very quickly got lonely and repetitive in bliss, so you decided to be born once more. You've been doing this forever.

Whilst I may not agree with what you say, I will defend to the death my right to disagree with you.

Some say "think outside the box". I say "what fucking box?!" xx:taosmilie:
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Ok let's imagine i'm god for a sec.


OK HEY GUYS I'M OMNIPOTENT I CAN DO ANYTHING BUT I'M BORED


GUESS I'LL CREATE A WORLD WITH SOME PEOPLE

hmmm


What will those people be like?


Well, they can do lots of good stuff - love each other, share, treat everything nicely...


Good start!


hmmm....


What if i make it so they want to rape and kill one another? HEHEHEHE
:sun:Ardhanarishvara | You died, and death was complete freedom from suffering - bliss. But it very quickly got lonely and repetitive in bliss, so you decided to be born once more. You've been doing this forever.

Whilst I may not agree with what you say, I will defend to the death my right to disagree with you.

Some say "think outside the box". I say "what fucking box?!" xx:taosmilie:
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No, we weren't born with "sinful urges", we were born with a will to chose to believe God or not.

Have you gone through some bad stuff that has left you thinking a little badly about God?
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No, we weren't born with "sinful urges", we were born with a will to chose to believe God or not.

Have you gone through some bad stuff that has left you thinking a little badly about God?
 Quoting: Morganite


I know God.

I know he's a bit of an asshole.

NOT EXCLUSIVELY - he has good traits too.

But he is a BIT of an asshole.

If we aren't born with sinful urges, why did he make something else (you call it satan) which is capable of giving us those urges?
:sun:Ardhanarishvara | You died, and death was complete freedom from suffering - bliss. But it very quickly got lonely and repetitive in bliss, so you decided to be born once more. You've been doing this forever.

Whilst I may not agree with what you say, I will defend to the death my right to disagree with you.

Some say "think outside the box". I say "what fucking box?!" xx:taosmilie:
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ONLY IF they can call "good" evil and EVIL "good".

 Quoting: Morganite


Most normal people understand Goodness when they see it. It's mostly church folk who suffer a perception problem.



If you end up in hell, DON'T BLAME HIM.
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Hell is a pagan myth with no basis in the scripture. If we look into the original Hebrew and Greek in which it was issued, there is no burning afterlife. God uses metaphorical fire to purify. There comes a time when salvation is mandatory. Against popular christian belief, He won't be writing anyone off.
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What if i make it so they want to rape and kill one another? HEHEHEHE
 Quoting: Demonic


Nope - God didn't make them that way - they became that way after choosing to follow Satan. But He did provide a way for us to get out of that sinful pattern of evil.... If we choose to come back to him..... what about you?
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What if i make it so they want to rape and kill one another? HEHEHEHE
 Quoting: Demonic


Nope - God didn't make them that way - they became that way after choosing to follow Satan. But He did provide a way for us to get out of that sinful pattern of evil.... If we choose to come back to him..... what about you?
 Quoting: Morganite




BUT HE MADE THE WORLD WITH THESE THINGS AS A POSSIBILITY.

Why not make a world where it is IMPOSSIBLE to do bad things?


A world where free will to do a wide variety of good things exists, but the idea to do bad things NEVER OCCURS to us?!


Answer: He is a sadist.
:sun:Ardhanarishvara | You died, and death was complete freedom from suffering - bliss. But it very quickly got lonely and repetitive in bliss, so you decided to be born once more. You've been doing this forever.

Whilst I may not agree with what you say, I will defend to the death my right to disagree with you.

Some say "think outside the box". I say "what fucking box?!" xx:taosmilie:
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What if i make it so they want to rape and kill one another? HEHEHEHE
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Nope - God didn't make them that way - they became that way after choosing to follow Satan.
 Quoting: Morganite


Absolutely not. Psalms says "the wicked are estranged from the womb". Surely you don't believe that people *chose* their fate as mere embryos. . .?

hmm
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also: what if you're wrong, and god is a deceiver - that all the rules you follow are actually sins?
:sun:Ardhanarishvara | You died, and death was complete freedom from suffering - bliss. But it very quickly got lonely and repetitive in bliss, so you decided to be born once more. You've been doing this forever.

Whilst I may not agree with what you say, I will defend to the death my right to disagree with you.

Some say "think outside the box". I say "what fucking box?!" xx:taosmilie:
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I disagree, But don't want to digress because I'm busy fishing and need your hand in that task.tomato
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I disagree, But don't want to digress because I'm busy fishing and need your hand in that task.tomato
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward Hell is a pagan myth with no basis in the scripture. If we look into the original Hebrew and Greek in which it was issued, there is no burning afterlife. God uses metaphorical fire to purify. There comes a time when salvation is mandatory. Against popular christian belief, He won't be writing anyone off.


Truth sells itself. It's actually a Person.
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I disagree, But don't want to digress because I'm busy fishing and need your hand in that task.tomato
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward Hell is a pagan myth with no basis in the scripture. If we look into the original Hebrew and Greek in which it was issued, there is no burning afterlife. God uses metaphorical fire to purify. There comes a time when salvation is mandatory. Against popular christian belief, He won't be writing anyone off.


"i disagree, but i have nothing to back my position up with and am too afraid i might be wrong."
:sun:Ardhanarishvara | You died, and death was complete freedom from suffering - bliss. But it very quickly got lonely and repetitive in bliss, so you decided to be born once more. You've been doing this forever.

Whilst I may not agree with what you say, I will defend to the death my right to disagree with you.

Some say "think outside the box". I say "what fucking box?!" xx:taosmilie:
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Absolutely not. Psalms says "the wicked are estranged from the womb". Surely you don't believe that people *chose* their fate as mere embryos. . .?

hmm
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Please, don't derail - I'm busy fishing and you could help out. I'm not here to debate christian doctrine, I'm here to point the unsaved to Jesus. They're born that way because Adam and Eve chose for the human race. - Now back on topic.
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AMEN!!!! Now, can you help get this thread back to that person.hf
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Absolutely not. Psalms says "the wicked are estranged from the womb". Surely you don't believe that people *chose* their fate as mere embryos. . .?

hmm
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Please, don't derail - I'm busy fishing and you could help out. I'm not here to debate christian doctrine, I'm here to point the unsaved to Jesus. They're born that way because Adam and Eve chose for the human race. - Now back on topic.
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Ah, my bad. If you're gonna post unscriptural crap, I'm-a gonna speak up.
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also: what if you're wrong, and god is a deceiver - that all the rules you follow are actually sins?
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God doesn't deceive those who are truely seeking him and he doesn't ask us to follow sinful rules. He doesn't have ulteriour (sp?) motives. He loves us, that's why he sent us his son so we could get back with him - become sons and daughters and have a father relationship with him.

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also: what if you're wrong, and god is a deceiver - that all the rules you follow are actually sins?
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God doesn't deceive those who are truely seeking him and he doesn't ask us to follow sinful rules. He doesn't have alteriour (sp?) motives. He loves us, that's why he sent us his son so we could get back with him - become sons and daughters and have a father relationship with him.
 Quoting: Morganite


But what makes you SURE he's not deceiving you? Because he promised?!
:sun:Ardhanarishvara | You died, and death was complete freedom from suffering - bliss. But it very quickly got lonely and repetitive in bliss, so you decided to be born once more. You've been doing this forever.

Whilst I may not agree with what you say, I will defend to the death my right to disagree with you.

Some say "think outside the box". I say "what fucking box?!" xx:taosmilie:

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