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BILDERBERG: “SPAIN WILL BE SACRIFICED.”

 
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Throughout the three day Bilderberg meeting, European bankers, American government officials and international money managers conducted tense discussions behind closed doors on the wisdom of Germany extending the country´s credit to paper over the indebtedness of the rest of Europe. One German Bilderberger pointed out that Germany’s resources are finite, while another German stated matter of fact that “it would be impossible in the currently rarified political and economic climate to try and convince German voters to support Spain, a country plagued by corruption and inefficiency.”

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BOOM

does Spain know yet?

someone should tell them.
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lol like this is some secret...

Please.

Estulin, come back with real secret info or shut the fuck up.
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Spain will hang this out till July so the banks can take direct funding from the ESM and the government saves face by not taking a direct bailout.

The alternative is a return to the pesata.

Stalemate for now.
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“it would be impossible in the currently rarified political and economic climate to try and convince German voters to support Spain, a country plagued by corruption and inefficiency.”

[link to www.danielestulin.com]
 Quoting: danes1


Why people think that Spain is corrupt and Germany not ?
In recent years Germany has sold submarines to Greece and Portugal. Both sales are involved in corruption scandals. [link to www.google.com]

A few years ago french trains manufacturers were also involved in corruption in many countries, such as Alstom. [link to en.wikipedia.org]
[link to www.google.com]

The introduction of high speed train in Spain, in the 90's, was also involved in corruption from german company Siemens. And there are many other cases in recent decades. [link to www.google.com]
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danes / Estulín, you're clown selling used motorbikes.
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“it would be impossible in the currently rarified political and economic climate to try and convince German voters to support Spain, a country plagued by corruption and inefficiency.”

[link to www.danielestulin.com]
 Quoting: danes1


Why people think that Spain is corrupt and Germany not ?
In recent years Germany has sold submarines to Greece and Portugal. Both sales are involved in corruption scandals. [link to www.google.com]

A few years ago french trains manufacturers were also involved in corruption in many countries, such as Alstom. [link to en.wikipedia.org]
[link to www.google.com]

The introduction of high speed train in Spain, in the 90's, was also involved in corruption from german company Siemens. And there are many other cases in recent decades. [link to www.google.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17476053


Every country has to focus on reducing corruption and inefficiency (tax evasion).

But the examples you give are of German companies buying off southern European officials... Not about about German officials being bribed.

Perhaps my viewpoint is slightly skewed but I am pretty certain that there are more bribes received and taxes evaded in southern Europe then in northern Europe.
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“it would be impossible in the currently rarified political and economic climate to try and convince German voters to support Spain, a country plagued by corruption and inefficiency.”

[link to www.danielestulin.com]
 Quoting: danes1


Why people think that Spain is corrupt and Germany not ?
In recent years Germany has sold submarines to Greece and Portugal. Both sales are involved in corruption scandals. [link to www.google.com]

A few years ago french trains manufacturers were also involved in corruption in many countries, such as Alstom. [link to en.wikipedia.org]
[link to www.google.com]

The introduction of high speed train in Spain, in the 90's, was also involved in corruption from german company Siemens. And there are many other cases in recent decades. [link to www.google.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17476053


Every country has to focus on reducing corruption and inefficiency (tax evasion).

But the examples you give are of German companies buying off southern European officials... Not about about German officials being bribed.

Perhaps my viewpoint is slightly skewed but I am pretty certain that there are more bribes received and taxes evaded in southern Europe then in northern Europe.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15257500


Why did the German President resided his presidency? Was it because of fraud?

Did Prince Bernhard receive millions from Lockheed?

Did the Belgian Crown Prince receive or use public funds for private projects?

Did the Dutch Ahold CEO worked with illegal side letters to manipulate the books and deceive shareholders?

Did the Dutch Vestia CFO receive large sums of money as a bribe?

and on and on goes the list...

But, you're right... corruption in Northern Europe is non-existent...
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“it would be impossible in the currently rarified political and economic climate to try and convince German voters to support Spain, a country plagued by corruption and inefficiency.”

[link to www.danielestulin.com]
 Quoting: danes1


Why people think that Spain is corrupt and Germany not ?
In recent years Germany has sold submarines to Greece and Portugal. Both sales are involved in corruption scandals. [link to www.google.com]

A few years ago french trains manufacturers were also involved in corruption in many countries, such as Alstom. [link to en.wikipedia.org]
[link to www.google.com]

The introduction of high speed train in Spain, in the 90's, was also involved in corruption from german company Siemens. And there are many other cases in recent decades. [link to www.google.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17476053


¡¡¡Si Señor!!! You are right!!!

Do you remember our PM Felpe Gonzalez (big godfather from PSOE mafia) and the relationship with the german ambassador?
The payment for his "advise" via "Convoluto" in the AVE (high speed train).

Do anybody remember how the main political parties, in this dumb country, were supported and financed (during transition) by german establishment (Konrad Adenauer, Billy Brand and others)...

They never forget (Teutons) and forgive the treason from their king Carlos I who chosen Spain and not Germany to forge an empire.
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But the examples you give are of German companies buying off southern European officials... Not about about German officials being bribed.
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I understand your point, and I agree. But you can't ignore that reality. In addition, many of these large international trades are done with the help of diplomatic channels, you know that.

Perhaps my viewpoint is slightly skewed but I am pretty certain that there are more bribes received and taxes evaded in southern Europe then in northern Europe.
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Partly true, and let me tell you something.
Did you know that 19 of the 20 biggest portuguese economic groups have their holding headquarters in other countries to earn tax advantages?
The lack of tax harmonization in the European Union is used by groups to pay less taxes in our country.
Did you know what is the favorite destination for this companies ? Yes, is Netherlands, your country.
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spoain and greece have crappy people

no muych anyone can do about it

they elected their corrupt leaders
their fault


i meani spain and gre3ece? lol - they have not been anythng for like 150 years
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keep in mind the moors backed out of helping the states

so now

nuth'n

unless them boys want some drones cause i think that paki traitor is hiding in spain

i say the US should interrrgate every spanisard muslim and if they complain put a new leader in or take over the countruy

they can;t stop us

and they can;t help

lol

basque bouys scare the cowards of europe, but in the state , when bombed, we hit back and take over cdountries

lol

crap euros
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Re: BILDERBERG: “SPAIN WILL BE SACRIFICED.”
keep in mind the moors backed out of helping the states

so now

nuth'n

unless them boys want some drones cause i think that paki traitor is hiding in spain

i say the US should interrrgate every spanisard muslim and if they complain put a new leader in or take over the countruy

they can;t stop us

and they can;t help

lol

basque bouys scare the cowards of europe, but in the state , when bombed, we hit back and take over cdountries

lol

crap euros
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I hope you are drunk!!!

No one can be sober and as dumb
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who gives a fuck if spain is sacrificed. you can all go back to mexico..dead3bananasex
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yikes....
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“it would be impossible in the currently rarified political and economic climate to try and convince German voters to support Spain, a country plagued by corruption and inefficiency.”

[link to www.danielestulin.com]
 Quoting: danes1


Why people think that Spain is corrupt and Germany not ?
In recent years Germany has sold submarines to Greece and Portugal. Both sales are involved in corruption scandals. [link to www.google.com]

A few years ago french trains manufacturers were also involved in corruption in many countries, such as Alstom. [link to en.wikipedia.org]
[link to www.google.com]

The introduction of high speed train in Spain, in the 90's, was also involved in corruption from german company Siemens. And there are many other cases in recent decades. [link to www.google.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17476053


Every country has to focus on reducing corruption and inefficiency (tax evasion).

But the examples you give are of German companies buying off southern European officials... Not about about German officials being bribed.

Perhaps my viewpoint is slightly skewed but I am pretty certain that there are more bribes received and taxes evaded in southern Europe then in northern Europe.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15257500


Why did the German President resided his presidency? Was it because of fraud?

Did Prince Bernhard receive millions from Lockheed?

Did the Belgian Crown Prince receive or use public funds for private projects?

Did the Dutch Ahold CEO worked with illegal side letters to manipulate the books and deceive shareholders?

Did the Dutch Vestia CFO receive large sums of money as a bribe?

and on and on goes the list...

But, you're right... corruption in Northern Europe is non-existent...
 Quoting: Ravan


Interesting....

I don't remember saying there wasn't any corruption in northern Europe. As I said it should be a focal point for every country, but simply looking at the amount of corruption taking place then south europe is WAY worse then northern europe.
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“it would be impossible in the currently rarified political and economic climate to try and convince German voters to support Spain, a country plagued by corruption and inefficiency.”

[link to www.danielestulin.com]
 Quoting: danes1


Why people think that Spain is corrupt and Germany not ?
In recent years Germany has sold submarines to Greece and Portugal. Both sales are involved in corruption scandals. [link to www.google.com]

A few years ago french trains manufacturers were also involved in corruption in many countries, such as Alstom. [link to en.wikipedia.org]
[link to www.google.com]

The introduction of high speed train in Spain, in the 90's, was also involved in corruption from german company Siemens. And there are many other cases in recent decades. [link to www.google.com]
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clappa
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Interesting....

I don't remember saying there wasn't any corruption in northern Europe. As I said it should be a focal point for every country, but simply looking at the amount of corruption taking place then south europe is WAY worse then northern europe.
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Sure, if you evade taxes in the South you will drive a nice new car. If you evade taxes here in the North you'll get your old car confiscated.

Not sure which one is the better.

But to me a little corruption is the same as a lot of corruption; corruption. So campaigning against corruption in the South by saying it slows growth is very hypocrite imo.
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Interesting....

I don't remember saying there wasn't any corruption in northern Europe. As I said it should be a focal point for every country, but simply looking at the amount of corruption taking place then south europe is WAY worse then northern europe.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15257500


Sure, if you evade taxes in the South you will drive a nice new car. If you evade taxes here in the North you'll get your old car confiscated.

Not sure which one is the better.

But to me a little corruption is the same as a lot of corruption; corruption. So campaigning against corruption in the South by saying it slows growth is very hypocrite imo.
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That's like saying that someone who is chubby (in most cases 90kg and up) is not allowed to make remarks about someone who is 200kg+.
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Why people think that Spain is corrupt and Germany not ?
In recent years Germany has sold submarines to Greece and Portugal. Both sales are involved in corruption scandals. [link to www.google.com]

A few years ago french trains manufacturers were also involved in corruption in many countries, such as Alstom. [link to en.wikipedia.org]
[link to www.google.com]

The introduction of high speed train in Spain, in the 90's, was also involved in corruption from german company Siemens. And there are many other cases in recent decades. [link to www.google.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17476053


Every country has to focus on reducing corruption and inefficiency (tax evasion).

But the examples you give are of German companies buying off southern European officials... Not about about German officials being bribed.

Perhaps my viewpoint is slightly skewed but I am pretty certain that there are more bribes received and taxes evaded in southern Europe then in northern Europe.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15257500


Why did the German President resided his presidency? Was it because of fraud?

Did Prince Bernhard receive millions from Lockheed?

Did the Belgian Crown Prince receive or use public funds for private projects?

Did the Dutch Ahold CEO worked with illegal side letters to manipulate the books and deceive shareholders?

Did the Dutch Vestia CFO receive large sums of money as a bribe?

and on and on goes the list...

But, you're right... corruption in Northern Europe is non-existent...
 Quoting: Ravan


Interesting....

I don't remember saying there wasn't any corruption in northern Europe. As I said it should be a focal point for every country, but simply looking at the amount of corruption taking place then south europe is WAY worse then northern europe.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15257500



Aren't those northern european governments complicit by the fact they knew certain southern countries didn't meet the criteria... yet they turned a blind eye.

Let's not forget it was France and Germany that first missed sticking within the GDP criteria. Other countries took that as a green light to do the same.

We're all in this sinking ship together but hold tight the life boats are on their way in the shape of one happy European Country with no individual sovereign nations. All Eurozone countries will be politically and fiscally controlled from Brussells. That's been the goal all along.
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Interesting....

I don't remember saying there wasn't any corruption in northern Europe. As I said it should be a focal point for every country, but simply looking at the amount of corruption taking place then south europe is WAY worse then northern europe.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15257500


Sure, if you evade taxes in the South you will drive a nice new car. If you evade taxes here in the North you'll get your old car confiscated.

Not sure which one is the better.

But to me a little corruption is the same as a lot of corruption; corruption. So campaigning against corruption in the South by saying it slows growth is very hypocrite imo.
 Quoting: Ravan


It's not the average working citizen that avoids taxes - most wouldn't even know where to begin. It's the wealthy citizens and corporations with their offshore accounts that manage to wriggle out of paying taxes. I know of someone who lives here for just under 180 days then spends the remaining time in the Cayman Islands and Switzerland - he doesn't pay taxes yet lives a fantastic life. Austerity makes no difference to him whatsoever.

Sure you've probably got some people working for black money now but here in Spain there's 24% unemployment and 52% of under 25s are unemployed - they can't pay taxes because there aren't any jobs!

(Not sure why my posts show the Union Jack because although I'm British, I live in Spain)
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Meh, who cares about Spain. Went to Lloret de Mar it was beautiful but their beer is for shit and their discotheques suck ass. Also more than a few of their women have mustaches.
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spoain and greece have crappy people

no muych anyone can do about it

they elected their corrupt leaders
their fault


i meani spain and gre3ece? lol - they have not been anythng for like 150 years
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Lard Arse!
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keep in mind the moors backed out of helping the states

so now

nuth'n

unless them boys want some drones cause i think that paki traitor is hiding in spain

i say the US should interrrgate every spanisard muslim and if they complain put a new leader in or take over the countruy

they can;t stop us

and they can;t help

lol

basque bouys scare the cowards of europe, but in the state , when bombed, we hit back and take over cdountries

lol

crap euros
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What a load of RUBISH !!!

stfu
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Spain is a wonderful place , with wonderful people , culture and history in every corner of it , I hope things get better as I plan to retire there as well as my brothers and sisters !

hearts
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It doesnt matter what will happen in the future, we will all be affected no matter where we are.
I am rather in spain tho. This crisis has been hitting hard where I live but there is still no drama going on. People help each other especially with food.

Besides that, we organise fishing trips, go to the woods to get mushrooms, herbs and stuf Crapload of oranges, lemons, nisperos to pick. I eat more healthy then ever, feel better then ever. Have all the time in the world to enjoy.

The weather is always nice, the beach close.
People start coming together again for a shared BBQ with guitar some drink and good smoke.

I Dont think I will be missing out on anything being poor in spain.

I would not like to be in london or new york when tshtf
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Really, who gives a shit about Spain?
What have they done to help any of us?
Nota damn.

Spain gave the world Atonio Banderas.
Thanks, we needed another gay porn actor who ends up married to a drunk ass crazy bitch.
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Germany only thrives at the moment on the back of a weak Euro supported by states like Greece Spain and Portugal...
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It doesnt matter what will happen in the future, we will all be affected no matter where we are.
I am rather in spain tho. This crisis has been hitting hard where I live but there is still no drama going on. People help each other especially with food.

Besides that, we organise fishing trips, go to the woods to get mushrooms, herbs and stuf Crapload of oranges, lemons, nisperos to pick. I eat more healthy then ever, feel better then ever. Have all the time in the world to enjoy.

The weather is always nice, the beach close.
People start coming together again for a shared BBQ with guitar some drink and good smoke.

I Dont think I will be missing out on anything being poor in spain.

I would not like to be in london or new york when tshtf
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OMG tell me about it , NYC is a great city to live , but when SHTF ....wouldn't wanna be here anymore

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