John Lash on The hidden history of Genesis? Why the Gnostic Texts were destroyed in the Crusades? Archons influence on Mankind

I hate to point out the obvious

But Genesis was written by Moses.....thousands of years before the Gnostic movement.


So I seriously doubt that Gnostics had "secret" info about it.






BTW "Genesis" was written by Moses as a brief re-cap of Jewish
Oral tradition on the subject.


So if you want to hear the full story go ask a Rabbi

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It is rather believed from internal evidences Moses compiled and edited Genesis. He wrote the other four books of the Torah.

I think paganism (without the satanic connotation) is a much more valid religion of mysticism than gnostic. It certainly is much easier to understand.

However, you can not go around saying I am a pagan. Christians will assume you sacrifice babies during full moons.

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We had to go there.

Lo siento, por favor.

In the before time...

Greek ~archai, origins, beginning things, prior in time.

"They are agents of error rather than evil — but human error, when it goes uncorrected and runs beyond the scale of correction, turns into evil and works against the universal plan of life. Gnostics taught that the Archons exploit our tendency to let our mistakes go uncorrected."
Source: [link to www.bibliotecapleyades.net]

Thank you!!!!

for watching later...

Funny how people who don't have an opinion as to the existence of a God or Creator are called agnostic, isn't it?

when it says lord its talking about a man leader...when it says almighty god,its talking about the Creator...that was Arron who got jealous,he was the high priest...

Or it means unknown. i have a co-worker that considers himself a militant agnostic. And he says i know nobody knows. lol! Sounds like an oxymoron eh?

The Jerusalem Tophet Valley of the Son of Hinnom

We know that YHVH had humans sacrificed to him, as even Christian apologists won't deny. However, this leads us to a question about the other character, the one named Molech. There's mounting evidence that Molech was not a God or a demon, simply put, Molech was simply the name for child sacrifices dedicated to Yahweh. How do we know this? We know this from Phoenician settlements in current day Sicily and Northern Africa. There, we find Tophets, the same ones found outside of Jerusalem. The Phoenicians were a close relative of the Hebrews, as their language and culture evolved from them. We know them as the Canaanites. The fire sacrifices of the Jerusalem Tophet, like their language, pottery, and history, comes from the Canaanites.
[link to www.satan4u.8m.com]

Isaiah 30:29

"Such shall be your song, as on a night a feast is celebrated with gladness of heart, as when one marches in procession with the flute, to enter the mountain of Yahweh, to the Rock of Israel. Yahweh has made heard the crash of His voice, the down -- sweep of His arm he has displayed, with hot wrath and flame of consuming fire, cloudburst and flood and hailstones. Yes! At the voice of Yahweh Assyria will cower -- with His staff He will beat him. Every passage of the rod of His punishment which Yahweh will lay upon him will be to the sound of timbrels and lyres; with battles of offerings He will fight against him. For his Topheth has long been prepared, He himself is installed as a victim [molek]. Yahweh has made its fire -- pit deep and wide, with fire and wood in abundance. The breath of Yahweh, like aorrent of sulphur, sets it ablaze!"

(This version of Isaiah is from Dr. Paul Mosca's translation, from "Child Sacrifice in Israelite and Canaanite Religion: From Molk to Moloch").
[link to www.satan4u.8m.com]

Now we are ready to get the lines glowing red hot.

.. We came to the conclusions that the behavior that we had seen…that had been dished out to us individually was not just an accident of badly behaved people it’s endemic to the Yahwist religions because it comes out of the moral schizophrenia of Yahweh himself and that’s where we went back and looked at Egyptologists and their view of Yahweh because what we got here is a moral contradiction.

On the one hand claims of a God of Love and on the other hand, if you read the Old Testament - this god is ordering the Hebrews to slaughter people. ….If this behavior was exhibited by any human being they would be hauled up for War Crimes.
Sinthel
Thread: Yahweh the TWO-FACED God

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The Byte Show

I found this on Yahoo Answers:

If G-d is unconditionally loving, why from Exodus 20:5 does it state, "...for I am a jealous God?"?
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@ Joel, whoa whoa...calm down - I didn't say anything like that so stop assuming. Please just answer the question and refrain from making opinions or assumptions about the person asking the question. It just makes you look ignorant no matter how thorough your answer is.
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For the people who justify God being jealous. That's just stupid and using the prejudices of man to explain God which they do not know or understand. Unconditional love and jealousy ARE NOT IN ANYWAY COMPATIBLE. What part of UNCONDITIONAL do people who justify jealousy in their answers do not understand? Unconditional love holds no boundaries.

Thanks Melkha for your answer. Learning to actually read hebrew rather then get lost in translations of other languages is so much more understanding.
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@ Ivan, that is the NEW testament. I am not talking about the NEW testament in my question. I am talking about Exodus which is the "OLD testament." So leave the new testament out of this.
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@ Ivan, when you said -- Who said that GOD's Love is unconditional in first place? Anyone who doesn't think God's love is unconditional doesn't believe in God. Or believes in a God with limitations. That is not my God. That is a terrible way to think about God Ivan.
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Melkha
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It doesn't say jealous in the original language. It states - Zealous.
a zealous God: Heb. קַנָּא, zealous to mete out punishment. He does not forgo retaliating by forgiving the sin of idolatry. Every [expression of] קַנָּא means zealous anger. He directs His attention to mete out punishment.

xtians changed it to promote their own agenda

Yeshayahu- Isaiah - Chapter 14
12. How have you fallen from heaven, the morning star? You have been cut down to earth, You who cast lots on nations.
Isaiah 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

The original Hebrew text has No Lucifer !

xtians changed it to promote their own agenda

Tehillim - Psalms - Chapter 139
8. If I ascend to the heavens, there You are, and if I make my bed in the grave, behold, You are there.

KJV - Psalms 139:
8 If I ascend up into heaven, thou art there: if I make my bed in hell, behold, thou art there .

xtians changed it to promote their own agenda

Most people who have read the Bible only in English think they know what it says.
But do they?
Translations from the original Hebrew have often changed the text’s intended meaning in significant ways. Take, for example:
* “The Lord is my shepherd”—the modern concept of shepherd is not what the biblical authors intended
* “Thou shalt not covet”—coveting is not what’s forbidden in this commandment

Where did things go wrong?
The problem began with the King James Version of the Bible (KJV). Commissioned in 1604 by King James of England and published in 1611, this literary classic still forms the basis of most biblical translations in English, including that of the Jewish Publication Society (JPS). This is problematical, first because English usage has changed so much in the past 400 years, rendering some of the original translations inaccurate; and second, because the KJV translators made serious translation mistakes that have been retained in contemporary English translations.

In short, the biblical shepherd was a “hero.”
By substituting “hero” for “shepherd,” we can make sense of the rest of the Psalm. “The Lord is my hero; I shall not want.” In other words, since God—like a ro’eh —is powerful enough to provide protection, guidance, and security, I’ll have nothing to worry about.

xtians changed it to promote their own agenda


The Story of ET - the xtian delusion of complete translation

Bereshit Bara Eloheim Et - IN A BEGINNING G-D CREATED ET. These are the first words of Torah, Genesis 1:1, ET was not translated by christian translators, they had no understanding of its meaning, so they just left it out. (So much for the thought voiced in Deuteronomy 8:3 that man lives by every word of G*D - for the translators stole G*D's words from you - no big deal to them !) ET is spelled Aleph Tav. Aleph Tav is an abbreviation for the ALPHA-BET. Aleph is the first letter of the ALPHABET and Tav the last. So in a beginning G-d created the ALPHA-BET. And G-d did this before creating the heavens and the earth. G-d used the letters, the building blocks, to create the world. Also the original Hebrew was written without vowels, an alternate reading of Bereshit Bara Eloheim Et - is For the sake of Torah and Israel. Which would make the first line a dedication to those whom it was written

Thanks OP for the info.

Why is everyone feeding the trolls?

Trolls only come out when they don't want you to "see"......

Elohim is the Hebrew *title*, not name, that is used for one aspect of God as the creator. Just like a man can be a father, a brother, an uncle, a nephew, etc. without changing *who* he is, the title that is used to refer to YHVH (the Tetragrammaton - which is the only thing in Hebrew that could be considered as a *name*) changes depending on the context.

Yahweh is a bastardized Christian version of the Tetragrammaton, it is not found anywhere in Hebrew, or in the Tanakh (the Jewish Bible.)

Jewish people do not utilize "Yahweh".

"Yahweh" is not in the Torah. "Yahweh" is a Christian invention for pronunciation of a Hebrew name of G-d. In Hebrew there is a name of G-d that is spelled with Hebrew characters "Yud" "Hey" "Vuv" "Hey"

Christianity has invented a new name "Yahweh" from the
Hebrew characters "Yud" "Hey" "Vuv" "Hey".

Jewish people utilize the name "Elohim" however because that is a name in the Torah.

Okay there is alot of anti-semetic propaganda going on for people who can't read hebrew. No where in the Torah does it allow for sacrifice. The Christian interpretations of the OT is absolutely ridiculous to fit their own agenda.


If there are any children sacrifices it is primarily pagan ritual:

A young child was found buried with its skull split by a weapon at Woodhenge. This was interpreted by the excavators as a child sacrifice.

^ Ronald Hutton, The Pagan Religions of the Ancient British Isles: Their Nature and Legacy, ISBN 0-631-18946-7, page 90.

What I find fascinating about the whole early Coptic writings from Yeshua's disciples as possibly being true, if there is a God AND he really is Yaldaboah, a demiurge, or basically a fraud, AND he is the same entity who revealed himself (more or less)to the early Israelis and is writen about by Moses AND is the Old Testament God, then there is greater truth I would imagine the demiurge would have to realize about himself.

And if he should ever understand and realize a greater truth, be it secretly in his own mind, what could that possibly mean, what could possibly result?

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Okay there is alot of anti-semetic propaganda going on for people who can't read hebrew. No where in the Torah does it allow for sacrifice. The Christian interpretations of the OT is absolutely ridiculous to fit their own agenda.


If there are any children sacrifices it is primarily pagan ritual:

A young child was found buried with its skull split by a weapon at Woodhenge. This was interpreted by the excavators as a child sacrifice.

^ Ronald Hutton, The Pagan Religions of the Ancient British Isles: Their Nature and Legacy, ISBN 0-631-18946-7, page 90.

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Who are you to use such broad brush strokes.

Do you know who a "semite" is according to ancient text.

Do a word study for Tophet.

Food for thought, no answer required-

Abraham believed that sacrificing his only son Isaac; lord Yahweh would restore Isaac from the dead.
Genesis 22:1-12

Sacrifice
Definition
The highest form of adoration. A priest authorized by God’s law in the name of the people offers a victim in acknowledgment of God’s supreme dominion and of our total dependence on God.

The victim is immolated, or destroyed, and thereby at least partially removed from human use. The victim is freely offered to God, which makes it an oblation or gift. Both together constitute the sacrifice, the victim freely surrendered by man as a gift to God.



Old Testament Sacrifice

In the Torah, sacrifice honored God by offering him creatures precious to man. Torah required two kinds of sacrifices: bloody and unbloody.

Among the bloody sacrifices, the holocaust, or whole-burnt offering, was the most perfect sacrifice. The animal was completely consumed by fire. This was the “perpetual sacrifice” because it was offered twice each day, in the morning and evening. The sin offering was to expiate misdeeds committed through ignorance or inadvertence. The kind of victim depended mainly on the dignity of the person offended. The guilt offering was for sins demanding restitution. The peace offering was in gratitude, in fulfillment of a vow, or simply voluntary. The unbloody sacrifices, offerings of solid or liquid food, accompanied every holocaust and peace offering, but never sin or guilt offerings (except at the cleansing of a leper).

[link to www.secondexodus.com]

THE BIRTH OF HELL,
from "The Highest Altar" by Patrick Tierney

Hell was born just outside the walls of Jerusalem, in the Valley of Ben Hinnom.
The prophet Jeremiah dubbed this "the Valley of Slaughter" (Jeremiah 19:6)
because so many children were immolated here in a deep pit known as the Tophet- "Place of Fire."
Even kings of Judah burned their sons and daughters at this Tophet.
Eventually, the sacrifices ceased. But the memory remained, as the Valley of Ben Hinnom was turned into Gehenna, the Hebrew word for "Hell," where sinners suffered the eternal torment of fire.
There's direct Biblical testimony that child sacrifice continued until the seventh century B.C. at the Tophet in the Valley of Ben Hinnom. The prophet Jeremiah says, "they have built a shrine of Topheth in the Valley of Ben Hinnom, at which to burn their sons and daughters" (Jeremiah 7:31). King Ahaz of Judah worshipped at this Tophet. "He also burnt sacrifices in the Valley of Ben-hinnom; he even burnt his sons in the fire according to the abominable practice of the nations whom the Lord had dispossessed in favor of the Israelites. He slaughtered and burnt sacrifices at the hill-shrines and on the hill- tops and under every spreading tree" (2 Chronicles 28:3- 4). King Manasseh likewise "made his son pass, through the fire" (2 Kings 21:6). According to most Bible translations , these child immolations were made to the terrible god Moloch. Although Moloch has become one of the great demons of Judeo- Christian literature, there's strong evidence that Moloch was not a demon at all but simply the name for child sacrifices dedicated to Yahweh.
[link to sonic.net]

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