John Lash on The hidden history of Genesis? Why the Gnostic Texts were destroyed in the Crusades? Archons influence on Mankind

One of the great things about these interviews is, you have the choice to decide if the information is right for you or not. Alternative views can be life changing to some and hogwash to others. For the Christians that read this thread or watch his video, i recommend you take a deep breath and realize Non-Christian beliefs do NOT equate to Luciferian or Satanic rites. To be a Gnostic basically means to seek truth and not rely on blind faith. i do not label myself as anything that would bind me to a word or pretext, that might take away from my ultimate potential.

To each their own!

Gnostic Texts "The Nag Hammadi Treatise" / Secret Book of John


A Crisis that Became the World

It happened that the realm (aeon) Wisdom (Sophia)
Of conceptual thought (Epinoia),
Began to think for herself,
She used the thinking (enthymesis)
And the foreknowledge (prognosis)
Of the Invisible Spirit.

She intended to reveal an image from herself
To do so without the consent of the Spirit,
Who did not approve,
Without the thoughtful assistance of her masculine counterpart,
Who did not approve.

Without the Invisible Spirit’s consent
Without the knowledge of her partner
She brought it into being.

Because she had unconquerable Power
Her thought was not unproductive.
Something imperfect came out of her
Different in appearance from her.

Because she had created it without her masculine counterpart
She gave rise to a misshapen being unlike herself.

Sophia saw what her desire produced.
It changed into the form of a dragon with a lion’s head
And eyes flashing lightning bolts.
She cast him far from her,
Outside of the realm of the immortal beings
So that they could not see him.

[She had created him in ignorance.]

Sophia surrounded him with a brilliant cloud,
Put a throne in the center part of the cloud
So that no one would see it.
[Except for the Holy Spirit called the Mother of the Living]
She named him Yaldabaoth.

Yaldabaoth is the chief ruler.
He took great Power (dynamis) from his mother,
Left her, and moved away from his birthplace.
He assumed command,
Created realms for himself
With a brilliant flame that continues to exist even now.

The Fashioning of This World

Yadabaoth united with the thoughtlessness (aponoia) within him.
He begot ruling authorities (exousia)
Modeling them on the incorruptible realms above.

The first is Athoth
The second is Harmas [called the eye of flame]
The third is Kalilaumbri
The fourth is Yabel
The fifth is Adonaiu [called Sabaoth]
The sixth is Cain [called the sun]
The seventh is Abel

The eighth is Abrisene
The ninth is Yobel
The tenth is Armupiel
The eleventh is Melcheir-adonein
The twelfth is Belias
Who rules over the very depth of Hades.

He made the first seven rulers to reign in the seven spheres of heaven.
He made the next five rulers to reign in the five depths of the abyss.

He shared a portion of his fire with them,
But shared none of the power of Light he had received from his mother.

[He is ignorant darkness.
When the Light mingled into the darkness
the darkness shone.
When darkness mixed with the Light,
the Light diminished,
No longer Light nor darkness but dim.]

This dim ruler has three names:
Yaldabaoth is the first.
Saklas is the second.
Samael is the third.
He is blasphemous through his thoughtlessness.
He said “I am God, and there is no God but me!”
Since he didn’t know where his own Power originated.

His rulers created seven Authorities for themselves.
Each of these Authorities created six demons apiece,
There came to be 365 demons altogether.

Here are the seven Authorities’ names and physical forms:
First, Athoth with a sheep’s face
Second, Eloaios with a donkey’s face
Third, Astaphaios with a hyena’s face
Fourth, Yao with the face of a seven headed snake
Fifth, Sabaoth who has the face of a dragon
Sixth, Adonin whose face is that of a monkey
Seventh, Sabbataios with a face of flame and fire.
These are the seven of the week.
These Authorities rule the world.

Yaldabaoth has many faces.
More than all that have been listed
So he can convey any face he wants to the seraphim around him.

Yaldabaoth shared his fire with his seraphim
But gave them none of his pure Light
Although he ruled them by virtue of the power and glory
Of the Light had received from his Mother.

[Therefore he called himself “God” and defied his place of origin.]

He united his thought’s sevenfold Powers with the Authorities who accompanied him.
He spoke and it happened.

He named those sevenfold Powers starting with the highest one:
Goodness paired with the first: Athoth
Providence paired with the second: Eloaios
Divinity paired with the third: Astaphaios
Lordship paired with the fourth: Yao
Kingdom paired with the fifth: Sabaoth
Zeal paired with the sixth: Adonin
Understanding paired with the seventh: Sabbataios

Each has its own realm modeled on one of the higher realms.
And each new name refers to a glory in the heavens
So that Yaldabaoth’s demons might be destroyed.

The demons’ own names, given by Yaldabaoth, are mighty names
But the Powers’ names reflecting the glory above
Will bring about the demons’ destruction and remove their Power.
That is why each has two names.

Yaldabaoth modeled his creation
On the pattern of the original realms above him
So that it might be just like the indestructible realms.

[Not that he had ever seen the indestructible ones.
Rather, the power in him, deriving from his mother,
made him aware of the pattern of the cosmos above.]

When he gazed upon his creation surrounding him
He said to his host of demons
The ones who had come forth out of him:
“I am a jealous God and there is no God but me!”

[But by doing this he admitted to his demons that there is indeed another God.
For, if there were no other God, whom would he possibly be jealous of?]

His mother began to move back and forth
Because she had become aware that she now lacked Light
For her brightness had dimmed.

[Since her consort had not approved of her actions, she grew darker]

Last Edited by 2342 on 06/07/2012 11:01 AM

As you can see, Yaldabaoth the Chief Archon sounds identical to the God portrayed in the Abrahamic religions.

Here are a few bible quotes for comparison,

Deuteronomy 4:24 For the LORD your God is a consuming fire, a jealous God.

Deuteronomy 5:9 You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the fathers to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me

It appears people still believe the Great Architect of the Universe and all its splendor is Jealous.

Unfortunate.

Why would the Creator of the Universe be Jealous?

i am not knocking anyone's faith and am asking a logical question for better understanding.

Thanks!

Why would the Creator of the Universe be Jealous?

"I am God and there is no other God beside me!"
– The Apocryphon of John (II 11:20)

Yaldabaoth was weak and ignorant, because he didn't realise that were any power greater than him. He thought he was the First. Yaldabaoth had sinned for saying these words, which was why he was called Samael – "the blind god".
He has another name – Saklas, a name usually assigned to Satan.
According to The Hypostasis of the Archons and On the Origin of the World, it was Sophia, who rebuked him and gave him this name, Samael.
"You are mistaken, Samael"
– The Hypostasis of the Archons (II 87:2)
According to The Hypostasis of the Archons, after this boast, he challenged the voice:
"If any other thing exists before me, let it be shown forth to me!"
– The Hypostasis of the Archons (II 94:25)
So Sophia stretch forth her finger and brought limitless light into matter and the region of chaos. The chief archon trembled in fear.
When Yaldabaoth and the other archons heard the voice. They sought this voice and traced the voice to the abyss, where the chief archon saw the reflection of his mother in the water. They want take hold of the image but could not. They were ignorant and weak, because they didn't understand that the image was reflected from above.
"I am a jealous God, and there is no other God beside me."
But by announcing this he indicated to the angels who attended him that there exists another God. For if there were no other one, of whom would he be jealous?
– The Apocryphon of John (II 13:9-12)
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The declaration of the chief Archon that he is the only god in the cosmos is, needless to say, a defining moment in Gnostic cosmology — if not in human evolution as well. All the cosmological texts describe this event, with slight variations. Gnostics were insistent on the identification of Yaldabaoth with Yahweh or Jehovah, the tribal god of the Hebrews. This deity is not only blind, but witless and insane (Hypostasis of the Archons 89: 24-25).
To Gnostics insanity is not so much unsoundness of mind as the consequence of failure to correct mental errors. The mentality of the Archons "cannot be rectified," and, what's worse, "the archontic nature is not capable of development." (Gilhus, The Nature of the Archons, p. 40) Due to the manner of their generation, Archons have no ennoia, no innate intentionality.
The concept of a god who is both void of will power and insane is apparently unique to Gnosticism. Needless to say, when Gnostics expressed their views on the identity of Jehovah to devout jewish people and to Christians who also revered the Jewish Father God, they were not well received.
The Apocryphon of John adds crucial details to the Archon scenario. For one thing, it presents a rare instance where Sophia is actually called the mother of the Archons. It also says of the chief Archon that "he did not obey the place from which he came." This is a telling detail. The fact that the chief Archon moves away from the places where he arose indicates a key concern of Gnostics: the boundary-violating tendencies of the Archons. From the outset they are an invasive species.
[link to www.bibliotecapleyades.net]

"From the outset they are an invasive species."

I believe we have an important part in aiding the return of this 'invasive species' back to the source of their sorrows.

It's a dirty job...
but we're the ones we have been waiting for,
who's got to do it.

Last Edited by a student of Protean thought on 06/07/2012 12:26 PM

I've an alternative view of the op. The op is a brainwashed piece of shit that needs flushed down the toilet after being flogged by several rolls of toilet paper.

Ok, don't criticize me for an alternative view. It's all good, you piece of shit.

Just pointing out the silliness that "it's an alternative view" means it is a valid view. Reductio ad absurdum.

What would you say to a being who takes you into its realm and mystifies your image of the world you thought you knew.

Would you look upon it as a glorious moment of religitardation, fear of something bigger than you, or come to your missing senses and say, hey, dude, thats pretty good, where ya learn that shit.

I myself would look upon the mystery with suspicion and remark from my mind of consciousness, now who are you and whats this all about, as if I didn't know already.

After knowing this world, I am gnostic in the occult ways and mysteries.

I didn't know who I was till I read the gnostic text and realized what I am.

This dream world and beyond does not surprise me. I know.

I don't believe he mentioned anything about validity.

He simply stated that "alternative views can be life changing to some and hogwash to others"

What's your issue with that?

"Alternative views" which are bullshit and made up are harmful to everyone.

Why do you even bother to waste your energy in replying to this thread?
Seriously, why?
Possibly to show your anonymous ignorance as a newbie shill?

Who are you to say what is bullshit?

Don't speak for me, you don't know what is or is not harmful to me. You haven't a clue what I believe, and if you did, it wouldn't matter. What is right to me isn't necessarily right for another. That doesn't make what I believe any less valid, it just means it's not your cup of tea.

You don't like the OP, that is why you're in here harping about harmless posts from him and others. Simple as that.

Last Edited by Debauchery on 06/07/2012 12:32 PM

:modcatsayno:

Who are you to tell me not to view something as bullshit? See, your argument is self-contradictory and proves it is bullshit. BULLSHIT. That's not an alternative view, either. If you can't tells someone what view to have, then you can't tell me it is wrong to believe something is bullshit and it must be declared to be bullshit. But see, you just did, which proves your bullshit is just bullshit and worthless.

Stay in you box of myopia, no skin off our backs, but play your shill games elsewhere.

There's a difference between you and I.

You present your argument in a pretty unsavory fucking manner. Insults and hate.

I didn't TELL you NOT to think of alternative views as bullshit. I SAID who are you to dictate what is truth, what is bullshit and what is harmful to OTHERS..I also stated that what I believe may not be your cup of tea but that doesn't make it invalid in general. It's only invalid to YOU and that is fine.

Problem here is you are speaking for others, not just for yourself and you're goddamn right I called bullshit on that, sparky.

LOL! Did i pinch a nerve there Fundie?

Hey Debauchery! Arguing with AC is less productive than kicking sand.

I've been awake for 29 hours. It's the only thing keeping me going right now. :)

lol


Last Edited by 2342 on 06/07/2012 01:07 PM

That image is hypnotizing. You're gonna lull me to sleep.

Stop that!

+100,000,000

Scorpio "is jealous".

Jesus Christ was Augustus Caesar. Plain and simple.



Last Edited by Gnostic Warrior on 06/07/2012 01:22 PM

Wow! Dude, you really need to work on your tendency to project. May I suggest ceasing going to church for a while?