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**Breaking** Obama was a member of Socialist New Party in 1996

 
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Because the left only cares about progressing Collectivism towards Communism.

And the right only cares about progressing it to Fascism.
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No, the right cares about restoring the Constitution, which is quite removed from fascism.

The left views fascism as a big step towards totalitarianism, and once attained, it's onward to communism and the second coming of the Dark Ages.
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Actually you have been suckered into believing that.

The people who want to restore the constitution are Libertarians.

They are nether right nor left.

Go look at a Nolan Chart.
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Once again.......the left DOESNT CARE. He could come out bitch slap Michelle on stage say "kill whitey" and then announce he was born in Kenya. They wouldnt give a shit.
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^^^ This^^^ except rather than not care they would love him all the more (if such a thing is possible)
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Socialism isn't totalitarian.
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Ask Hilter.
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Hitler was a fascist, which is an extreme right-wing ideology. He hated communists as much as anyone. Try again.
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Hitler was a socialist. In addition to being a member of the National Socialist Party aka the Nazis, he socialized all of Germany for chrissakes. But then he goes and kills a bunch of jewish people, and you idiot liberals decide that now he's a right winger.

But yeah who can blame you for wanting to distance yourself from that kind of stuff.
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National socialism is not socialism. Socialism is left wing, national socialism aka fascism is extreme right. They are polar opposites. Hitler was one of the biggest opponents of communism ever. Calling Hitler a socialist or communist negates your argument and discredits you completely.
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who gives a fuck
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who gives a fuck
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^ Exact mentality of a brain-dead sheep.
"And I know that when I leave savage wolves will come in among you and will not spare the flock. Even from your own number men will arise and distort the truth in order to draw away disciples after them. So be on your guard. We are not the wolves at the gate, we are the ones who face them."
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Re: **Breaking** Obama was a member of Socialist New Party in 1996
Funny.

A Kenya born, socialist... Cool!
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who gives a fuck
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^ Exact mentality of a brain-dead sheep.
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Name-calling is juvenile and invalidates any argument you were trying to make. Didn't you go to college?
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Re: **Breaking** Obama was a member of Socialist New Party in 1996
Who cares. Obama is now part of the Socialist party, its called the Democrats. You ever read the Democrat's Convention Platform? It reads like "The Communist Manifesto". State controlled health care this, increase taxes that, blah blah blah.
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Ask Hilter.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11391699


Hitler was a fascist, which is an extreme right-wing ideology. He hated communists as much as anyone. Try again.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 430043


Hitler was a socialist. In addition to being a member of the National Socialist Party aka the Nazis, he socialized all of Germany for chrissakes. But then he goes and kills a bunch of jewish people, and you idiot liberals decide that now he's a right winger.

But yeah who can blame you for wanting to distance yourself from that kind of stuff.
 Quoting: Sonofabiscuit


National socialism is not socialism. Socialism is left wing, national socialism aka fascism is extreme right. They are polar opposites. Hitler was one of the biggest opponents of communism ever. Calling Hitler a socialist or communist negates your argument and discredits you completely.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17152779


Again this is wrong. National socialism is just protectionist socialism. It has nothing to do with communism and certainly nothing to do with conservatism. It's an anti collectivism, anti capitalism. What else would you call a man who nationalized all of the banks and industries of Germany? Lol.
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Hitler was a fascist, which is an extreme right-wing ideology. He hated communists as much as anyone. Try again.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 430043


Hitler was a socialist. In addition to being a member of the National Socialist Party aka the Nazis, he socialized all of Germany for chrissakes. But then he goes and kills a bunch of jewish people, and you idiot liberals decide that now he's a right winger.

But yeah who can blame you for wanting to distance yourself from that kind of stuff.
 Quoting: Sonofabiscuit


National socialism is not socialism. Socialism is left wing, national socialism aka fascism is extreme right. They are polar opposites. Hitler was one of the biggest opponents of communism ever. Calling Hitler a socialist or communist negates your argument and discredits you completely.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17152779


Again this is wrong. National socialism is just protectionist socialism. It has nothing to do with communism and certainly nothing to do with conservatism. It's an anti collectivism, anti capitalism. What else would you call a man who nationalized all of the banks and industries of Germany? Lol.
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I would call him a genius and a hero, other than all that genocide stuff.
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Hitler was a socialist. In addition to being a member of the National Socialist Party aka the Nazis, he socialized all of Germany for chrissakes. But then he goes and kills a bunch of jewish people, and you idiot liberals decide that now he's a right winger.

But yeah who can blame you for wanting to distance yourself from that kind of stuff.
 Quoting: Sonofabiscuit


National socialism is not socialism. Socialism is left wing, national socialism aka fascism is extreme right. They are polar opposites. Hitler was one of the biggest opponents of communism ever. Calling Hitler a socialist or communist negates your argument and discredits you completely.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17152779


Again this is wrong. National socialism is just protectionist socialism. It has nothing to do with communism and certainly nothing to do with conservatism. It's an anti collectivism, anti capitalism. What else would you call a man who nationalized all of the banks and industries of Germany? Lol.
 Quoting: Sonofabiscuit


I would call him a genius and a hero, other than all that genocide stuff.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17152779


Yes Hitler was internationally recognized as a successful socialist, his turnaround of the German economy got him on the cover of TIME magazine. It wasn't until he started killing jewish people, that is when he was collectively disowned by anyone who had any praise for him.
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Re: **Breaking** Obama was a member of Socialist New Party in 1996
How can this be "breaking"?

Tit.
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Re: **Breaking** Obama was a member of Socialist New Party in 1996
Who woulda thunk it?!

Derp.
Within the surreal depths of "reality" lies the truth.
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Re: **Breaking** Obama was a member of Socialist New Party in 1996
who gives a fuck
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^ Exact mentality of a brain-dead sheep.
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Name-calling is juvenile and invalidates any argument you were trying to make. Didn't you go to college?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17152779


Actually, what I did, was make an analogy.

Last Edited by Sleeping Giant on 06/07/2012 04:19 PM
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Re: **Breaking** Obama was a member of Socialist New Party in 1996
New Party Principles:
The New Party believes that the social, economic, and political progress of the United States requires a democratic revolution in America-the return of power to the people. Democracy in America does not work today. The people do not rule. And they must, if we and our children are to lead lives of dignity, decency, and enjoyment.

[link to www.thirdworldtraveler.com]

You guys have a loose definition of Socialism.
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Re: **Breaking** Obama was a member of Socialist New Party in 1996
who gives a fuck
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^ Exact mentality of a brain-dead sheep.
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Name-calling is juvenile and invalidates any argument you were trying to make. Didn't you go to college?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17152779


Calling a spade a spade isn't exactly name calling.

:)
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Re: **Breaking** Obama was a member of Socialist New Party in 1996
New Party Principles:
The New Party believes that the social, economic, and political progress of the United States requires a democratic revolution in America-the return of power to the people. Democracy in America does not work today. The people do not rule. And they must, if we and our children are to lead lives of dignity, decency, and enjoyment.

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 Quoting: Major_Payne


Sounds like a good thing to me!
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Forrest Gump: Black Panters

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Re: **Breaking** Obama was a member of Socialist New Party in 1996
New Party Principles:
The New Party believes that the social, economic, and political progress of the United States requires a democratic revolution in America-the return of power to the people. Democracy in America does not work today. The people do not rule. And they must, if we and our children are to lead lives of dignity, decency, and enjoyment.

[link to www.thirdworldtraveler.com]

You guys have a loose definition of Socialism.
 Quoting: Major_Payne


* A progressive tax system based on the ability to pay.

* Full employment, a shorter work week, and a guaranteed minimum income for all adults; a universal "social wage"

*A society in which we all take seriously our responsibilities as parents, workers and citizens. (Way too late for this)

[link to www.thirdworldtraveler.com]
"And I know that when I leave savage wolves will come in among you and will not spare the flock. Even from your own number men will arise and distort the truth in order to draw away disciples after them. So be on your guard. We are not the wolves at the gate, we are the ones who face them."
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New Party Principles:
The New Party believes that the social, economic, and political progress of the United States requires a democratic revolution in America-the return of power to the people. Democracy in America does not work today. The people do not rule. And they must, if we and our children are to lead lives of dignity, decency, and enjoyment.

[link to www.thirdworldtraveler.com]


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Sounds like a good thing to me!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17152779


The elite could sell anything to you couldn't they?

Don't you ever notice, wolf come disguised as sheep.

The man that comes to kill you, comes wearing a smile.
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Re: **Breaking** Obama was a member of Socialist New Party in 1996
What ELSE do you expect, when you elect an ILLEGAL, ALIEN FRAIUD, LIAR and FAG ??

NOW you can't get rid of him, fools !
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Good find...but nothing will change. grumpy2
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Re: **Breaking** Obama was a member of Socialist New Party in 1996
New Party Principles:
The New Party believes that the social, economic, and political progress of the United States requires a democratic revolution in America-the return of power to the people. Democracy in America does not work today. The people do not rule. And they must, if we and our children are to lead lives of dignity, decency, and enjoyment.

[link to www.thirdworldtraveler.com]

You guys have a loose definition of Socialism.
 Quoting: Major_Payne


* A progressive tax system based on the ability to pay.

* Full employment, a shorter work week, and a guaranteed minimum income for all adults; a universal "social wage"

*A society in which we all take seriously our responsibilities as parents, workers and citizens. (Way too late for this)

[link to www.thirdworldtraveler.com]
 Quoting: Sleeping Giant


Awesome, where do I sign up?
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Re: **Breaking** Obama was a member of Socialist New Party in 1996
There's a better way to resolve this argument. Instead of using words to describe the man in question let's just look at some of the crap he has pulled and judge him on that basis.

Killing innocent Mexicans and Americans in Operation Fast and Furious. Expanding conflicts in the Middle East. Re-naming fighting units in Iraq and Afghanistan so it looks like the trigger pullers are being withdrawn. Insisting on Language in NDAA that allows for US Citizens to be roused in the middle of the night, wisked away by secret police, never to be seen again. Re-Education camps for those who oppose his world views. Forcing citizens to buy a product from private companies or face jail or stiff fines. On and On and On.

We can call him a Communist, Socialist or the Easter Bunny but it really doesn't matter. The man is a danger to Freedom and a tyrant. And if ANY of his NDAA bullshit is actually enacted he'll be known as a complete monster.

I don't care if you're Liberal or Conservative. HOW THE HELL COULD ANYONE SUPPORT THIS KIND OF CRAP?
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Re: **Breaking** Obama was a member of Socialist New Party in 1996
New Party Principles:
The New Party believes that the social, economic, and political progress of the United States requires a democratic revolution in America-the return of power to the people. Democracy in America does not work today. The people do not rule. And they must, if we and our children are to lead lives of dignity, decency, and enjoyment.

[link to www.thirdworldtraveler.com]

You guys have a loose definition of Socialism.
 Quoting: Major_Payne


* A progressive tax system based on the ability to pay.

* Full employment, a shorter work week, and a guaranteed minimum income for all adults; a universal "social wage"

*A society in which we all take seriously our responsibilities as parents, workers and citizens. (Way too late for this)

[link to www.thirdworldtraveler.com]
 Quoting: Sleeping Giant


Awesome, where do I sign up?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17152779


Greece
"And I know that when I leave savage wolves will come in among you and will not spare the flock. Even from your own number men will arise and distort the truth in order to draw away disciples after them. So be on your guard. We are not the wolves at the gate, we are the ones who face them."
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Re: **Breaking** Obama was a member of Socialist New Party in 1996
Who cares. Obama is now part of the Socialist party, its called the Democrats. You ever read the Democrat's Convention Platform? It reads like "The Communist Manifesto". State controlled health care this, increase taxes that, blah blah blah.
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clappa
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Re: **Breaking** Obama was a member of Socialist New Party in 1996
Barrack Hussein Obama was a member of the Socialist New Party in Chicago IL in the late 1990's


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"Minutes of the meeting on January 11, 1996, of the New Party’s Chicago chapter read as follows:

Barack Obama, candidate for State Senate in the 13th Legislative District, gave a statement to the membership and answered questions. He signed the New Party “Candidate Contract” and requested an endorsement from the New Party. He also joined the New Party."


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"Recently obtained evidence from the updated records of Illinois ACORN at the Wisconsin Historical Society now definitively establishes that Obama was a member of the New Party. He also signed a “contract” promising to publicly support and associate himself with the New Party while in office."

[link to www.theblaze.com]

"The New Party had a front group called Progressive Chicago, whose job was to identify candidates that the New Party and its sympathizers might support. Nearly four years before Obama was endorsed by the New Party, both he and Harwell joined Progressive Chicago and began signing public letters that regularly reported on the group’s meetings. By prominently taking part in Progressive Chicago activities, Obama was effectively soliciting New Party support for his future political career"
 Quoting: Resister


We all knew he wqas a Socialist anyway....this just confirms any doubts for those who can't put 2 and 2 together.


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Re: **Breaking** Obama was a member of Socialist New Party in 1996
New Party Principles:
The New Party believes that the social, economic, and political progress of the United States requires a democratic revolution in America-the return of power to the people. Democracy in America does not work today. The people do not rule. And they must, if we and our children are to lead lives of dignity, decency, and enjoyment.

[link to www.thirdworldtraveler.com]

You guys have a loose definition of Socialism.
 Quoting: Major_Payne


* A progressive tax system based on the ability to pay.

* Full employment, a shorter work week, and a guaranteed minimum income for all adults; a universal "social wage"

*A society in which we all take seriously our responsibilities as parents, workers and citizens. (Way too late for this)

[link to www.thirdworldtraveler.com]
 Quoting: Sleeping Giant


Awesome, where do I sign up?
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Greece
 Quoting: Sleeping Giant


1rof1

S.G for the win!

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Re: **Breaking** Obama was a member of Socialist New Party in 1996
New Party Principles:
The New Party believes that the social, economic, and political progress of the United States requires a democratic revolution in America-the return of power to the people. Democracy in America does not work today. The people do not rule. And they must, if we and our children are to lead lives of dignity, decency, and enjoyment.

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You guys have a loose definition of Socialism.
 Quoting: Major_Payne


Yeah, and Communism was sold as being "for the people" too. The whole reason for the hammer and sickle symbolism was to appeal to the useful idiots who thought they would be the ones in power. The problem is, unless you are free to do what you want with your own property/business/money you are not free and whatever name you want to assign to that form of government, it is a form of tyranny no matter how benevolent it may claim to be. In Socialism, the government allows you to own your own property/business/money, but it tells you what you can and can not do with it. There are not rights given by God in that system because there are not rights at all, only allowances from government.

As power corrupts, that seemingly benevolent government will eventually dictate that what you want to do with what use to be your property/business/money is no longer allowable or that you must use it in ways you do not want. Finally, that socialized tyranny turns to full on communism when that formerly benevolent government simply takes what you have away and either gives it to someone else more compliant or destroys it outright to use as a fear tactic to control the rest of the population. Karl Marx himself in his Communist Manifesto said that Socialism was a transitional phase to Communism. There are just some roads you don’t start walking down because the path has no turns and your destination is destruction.

Learn from history or doom yourself to repeat it.

Last Edited by Resister on 06/07/2012 05:14 PM
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Re: **Breaking** Obama was a member of Socialist New Party in 1996
New Party Principles:
The New Party believes that the social, economic, and political progress of the United States requires a democratic revolution in America-the return of power to the people. Democracy in America does not work today. The people do not rule. And they must, if we and our children are to lead lives of dignity, decency, and enjoyment.

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You guys have a loose definition of Socialism.
 Quoting: Major_Payne


Yeah, and Communism was sold as being "for the people" too. The whole reason for the hammer and sickle symbolism was to appeal to the useful idiots who thought they would be the ones in power. The problem is, unless you are free to do what you want with your own property/business/money you are not free and whatever name you want to assign to that form of government, it is a form of tyranny no matter how benevolent it may claim to be. In Socialism, the government allows you to own your own property/business/money, but it tells you what you can and can not do with it. There are not rights given by God in that system because there are not rights at all, only allowances from government.

As power corrupts, that seemingly benevolent government will eventually dictate that what you want to do with what use to be your property/business/money is no longer allowable or that you must use it in ways you do not want. Finally, that socialized tyranny turns to full on communism when that formerly benevolent government simply takes what you have away and either gives it to someone else more compliant or destroys it outright to use as a fear tactic to control the rest of the population. Karl Marx himself in his Communist Manifesto said that Socialism was a transitional phase to Communism. There are just some roads you don’t start walking down because the path has no turns and your destination is destruction.

Learn history or doom yourself to repeat it.
 Quoting: Resister


Except that in most cases, socialism doesn't evolve into communism. Is Germany communist, or Sweden? No, they know that socialism and capitalism work best together in social democracy.

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