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BREAKING - Russia: External players provoking opposition in Syria, Libyan scenario feared

 
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BREAKING - Russia: External players provoking opposition in Syria, Libyan scenario feared
External players provoke opposition in Syria to continue military action; this may lead to a Libyan scenario, Lavrov warned.

The Russian Foreign Minister has voiced concern about “the reaction on the part of some foreign players”, who, he said, “support armed groups of the opposition and at the same time demand that the international community take decisive steps to change the regime in Syria.”

Lavrov reiterated Russia’s position that it will “never agree to sanction the use of force in the UN Security Council”. He said that this would lead “to severe consequences for the entire Middle East region”.

A bus carrying Russian experts came under fire in Damascus on Saturday, Sergey Lavrov said.

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Arming of Syria rebels gains momentum

More significant funds are now coming from Saudi Arabia and Qatar

Istanbul: Gulf-backed moves to arm Syria’s opposition are gaining momentum amid growing flows of funds and weapons and a better organisation of deliveries to fighters on the ground.

The stepped-up arming of the opposition comes as world powers scramble to find common ground to impose an end to President Bashar Al Assad’s escalating crackdown on a 15-month uprising.

According to Syrian activists close to the Free Syrian Army, which has a military council based on the Syrian-Turkish border, brigades of army defectors in rebellious provinces have named representatives who relay the military needs of the fighters and receive weapons.

The activists say more significant funds are now coming from Saudi Arabia and Qatar, in addition to a regular flow of donations from Syrian expatriates and some wealthy individuals in Syria.

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That is bad. Syria is a vital military location for Russia.

It is like Norfolk VA for the US Navy.

What would the US do if it found foreign agents destabilizing Norfolk VA, killing people.

Russia has been patient over this. But don't think they are not assembling their counter response, just as soon as they take care of the missile shield.




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Ok in a couple of months Assad will be dead and gone and then there will be another country in the middle east that has to establish a new type of government.
The people in most of the middle east aren't ready for a democracy because they don't see the advantages and frankly I don't see any other type of government succeeding.
The next decades will be marked by civil wars and the falling apart of countries, if we even get to see a couple of more decades....
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Russia Underlines Iran's Major Role in Resolving Syrian Crisis

TEHRAN (FNA)- Russian Deputy Foreign Minister Gennady Gatilov stressed Iran's vital role and influence in resolving regional issues, and said Tehran as a regional powerhouse should be included in a contact group to put an end to the Syrian crisis.


Gatilov said that Russia supports UN-Arab League special envoy Kofi Annan's proposal of setting up an international contact group to bring together key global and regional players to help put an early end to the 16- month Syrian crisis.

The senior diplomat noted that such a group should include members of the UN Security Council, as well as regional states, " primarily those bordering Syria and having their own interests in this region".

A country like Iran "has a full right" to participate in the process, said Gatilov. "Iran's participation could play a constructive role in searching for solutions to the Syrian conflict," he asserted.

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I've been wondering if this is the case for weeks now. How do we know it isn't someone other than the Syrian government who is actually killing these people? If I were a powerful 'group' who wanted to overthrow a government (for whatever reason) I think I'd send in 'people' to make it seem like the government was killing their people so that the 'good' governments of the World would have to send in their troops to save the people.
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Ok in a couple of months Assad will be dead and gone and then there will be another country in the middle east that has to establish a new type of government.
The people in most of the middle east aren't ready for a democracy because they don't see the advantages and frankly I don't see any other type of government succeeding.
The next decades will be marked by civil wars and the falling apart of countries, if we even get to see a couple of more decades....
 Quoting: FalloutGuy 11438554


Syria is a VITAL nation for Russian military. Russia can not and will not loose it's alliance with Syria.

To start, Russia has a massive naval base their. Among many airbases and other installations.

Do not be fooled, this is not Libya or Egypt.

The Russians will invade and occupy Syria if they must in order to maintain military strength. ESPECIALLY facing an Iran war coming up, the last thing Russia wants is the loss of military force in that region.

And if Russia is forced to occupy Syria, Israel is not that far away and would make a GREAT warm water naval base for Russia.
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Live feed of Homs attack in Syria
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Live feed of Homs attack in Syria
 Quoting: FalloutGuy 11438554


This in NOT Assad's work.

Someone is trying to neuter Russia before the Iran strike.
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Arming of Syria rebels gains momentum

More significant funds are now coming from Saudi Arabia and Qatar

Istanbul: Gulf-backed moves to arm Syria’s opposition are gaining momentum amid growing flows of funds and weapons and a better organisation of deliveries to fighters on the ground.

The stepped-up arming of the opposition comes as world powers scramble to find common ground to impose an end to President Bashar Al Assad’s escalating crackdown on a 15-month uprising.

According to Syrian activists close to the Free Syrian Army, which has a military council based on the Syrian-Turkish border, brigades of army defectors in rebellious provinces have named representatives who relay the military needs of the fighters and receive weapons.

The activists say more significant funds are now coming from Saudi Arabia and Qatar, in addition to a regular flow of donations from Syrian expatriates and some wealthy individuals in Syria.

[link to gulfnews.com]
 Quoting: The Bulgarian


The saudi pigs have been arming the rebles at any cost these are not normal protesters these are like Assad said ARMED GROUPS who are firing at goverment forces from built up civilans areas .
America wants a piece of syria saudi wants its share it has nothing todo with humanitarian crises
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Ok in a couple of months Assad will be dead and gone and then there will be another country in the middle east that has to establish a new type of government.
The people in most of the middle east aren't ready for a democracy because they don't see the advantages and frankly I don't see any other type of government succeeding.
The next decades will be marked by civil wars and the falling apart of countries, if we even get to see a couple of more decades....
 Quoting: FalloutGuy 11438554


Syria is a VITAL nation for Russian military. Russia can not and will not loose it's alliance with Syria.

To start, Russia has a massive naval base their. Among many airbases and other installations.

Do not be fooled, this is not Libya or Egypt.

The Russians will invade and occupy Syria if they must in order to maintain military strength. ESPECIALLY facing an Iran war coming up, the last thing Russia wants is the loss of military force in that region.

And if Russia is forced to occupy Syria, Israel is not that far away and would make a GREAT warm water naval base for Russia.
 Quoting: --Voltaic--


You seem to be pretty sure the war is going to expand to Iran, got a reason or proof for this?
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Russia has already lost Tartus, you are in denial if you can't see this.
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Russia here and there whatever...what about China...don't they care what's going on..they could stop this nonsense with one word cause everyone is financially dependent on their cash...or are they all laid back and zen until it's too late...
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Russia here and there whatever...what about China...don't they care what's going on..they could stop this nonsense with one word cause everyone is financially dependent on their cash...or are they all laid back and zen until it's too late...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17587530


They pull anything like that, it will only hurt their domestic growth.
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Re: BREAKING - Russia: External players provoking opposition in Syria, Libyan scenario feared
the syrian opposition wants change.
what really would be interesting is if the opposition is the majority of the syrians or not.

if they are...te only one provoking them would be russiy by supporting assad.

to me it is no wonder that such regimes like the russian and the chinese support assad!
their behavior is about the same.
they just were lucky that folks over there never "REALLY" stood up.

after the fall of ghadaffi and the probably fall of assad now the next faces they see on the hitlist are their own.
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[link to bambuser.com]

Live feed of Homs attack in Syria
 Quoting: FalloutGuy 11438554


This in NOT Assad's work.

Someone is trying to neuter Russia before the Iran strike.
 Quoting: --Voltaic--

that is either live or one hour ago according to description. look now! that is a full-scale war going on. constant gunfire all around. huge explosions. smoke everywhere. devastation and scarred buildings.
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they just were lucky that folks over there never "REALLY" stood up.

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bullshit blabla, for whom you are speaking.

Give the Ziocolonies oppositions enough money and
weaponry and your socalled western shit democracies
are more quickly finished, over and out, with all your
politicians and bangsters hanging along
both sides of the streets..
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Would not surprise me if israel wanted the russian tartus base out the middle east
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the syrian opposition wants change.
what really would be interesting is if the opposition is the majority of the syrians or not.

if they are...te only one provoking them would be russiy by supporting assad.

to me it is no wonder that such regimes like the russian and the chinese support assad!
their behavior is about the same.
they just were lucky that folks over there never "REALLY" stood up.

after the fall of ghadaffi and the probably fall of assad now the next faces they see on the hitlist are their own.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17597394


lol, do you understand what "change" they are trying to pursue? Yes, it is democratic, but do you understand, under what ideology, this democracy will be implemented? Do you understand, what this ideology, will mean for the minority, that are NOT Sunni, in Syria?

That are many underlying factors at play here, please research a little more.
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Would not surprise me if israel wanted the russian tartus base out the middle east
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that...plus complete control of Golan Heights and the whole region with Israel "friendly" governments.

The game won't work this time, as somebody else said, Syria is not Libya, it's totally different. Russia won't give up their last military base there, at least not without a fight. And if it comes to that, I hope they kill all those NATO mercernaries aka mujahedeen/jihadists/ciaeda in the process.
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Syria is a VITAL nation for Russian military. Russia can not and will not loose it's alliance with Syria.

To start, Russia has a massive naval base their. Among many airbases and other installations.
 Quoting: --Voltaic--


Russia has no alliance with Syria. If you think it does then what's happening in Syria speaks very bad of the value of being allied with Russia.
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Why do people hang on the word of rt, which obviously is russian slanted? "russia today" or whatever the hell it stands for should tell you that any "news" you get from them will have putin stamped all over it. Nothing that doesn't meet his approval will ever be printed there so if you want to kiss russia and putin's ass just keep reading that crap and swallowing every word of it on your knees.
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Ok in a couple of months Assad will be dead and gone and then there will be another country in the middle east that has to establish a new type of government.
The people in most of the middle east aren't ready for a democracy because they don't see the advantages and frankly I don't see any other type of government succeeding.
The next decades will be marked by civil wars and the falling apart of countries, if we even get to see a couple of more decades....
 Quoting: FalloutGuy 11438554


Syria is a VITAL nation for Russian military. Russia can not and will not loose it's alliance with Syria.

To start, Russia has a massive naval base their. Among many airbases and other installations.

Do not be fooled, this is not Libya or Egypt.

The Russians will invade and occupy Syria if they must in order to maintain military strength. ESPECIALLY facing an Iran war coming up, the last thing Russia wants is the loss of military force in that region.

And if Russia is forced to occupy Syria, Israel is not that far away and would make a GREAT warm water naval base for Russia.
 Quoting: --Voltaic--


This +99

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Why do people hang on the word of rt, which obviously is russian slanted? "russia today" or whatever the hell it stands for should tell you that any "news" you get from them will have putin stamped all over it. Nothing that doesn't meet his approval will ever be printed there so if you want to kiss russia and putin's ass just keep reading that crap and swallowing every word of it on your knees.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15921987


So WHICH news would you recommend?

Sorry but watching the Russians speak on Syria in front of UN etc...like Lavrov, who clearly states a third hand is stoking the unrests, would you only believe it if you saw it on CNN, BBC or whatever? Come on...western MSM just shows you what they want you to see, so RT or PressTV might show you the other side and things left out in your Media, what's wrong with that? Btw also Guido Westerwelle from Germany was reported on having spoken against Qatar's involvement and stance and against any military option. That's not being reported anywhere either, funny isn't it? I wonder why they keep saying oh China and Russia are against it, that Germany is making a whole thing warning about a military attack, nobody mentions...except PressTV so far.
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Syria is a VITAL nation for Russian military. Russia can not and will not loose it's alliance with Syria.

To start, Russia has a massive naval base their. Among many airbases and other installations.
 Quoting: --Voltaic--


Russia has no alliance with Syria. If you think it does then what's happening in Syria speaks very bad of the value of being allied with Russia.
 Quoting: Vlad Tepes


That is the first time I have heard that Syria and Russia are not allied. From everything I have read, they are strong strategic partners. And Russia is the only saving grace Syria has in the UN, so why would Syria speak badly about having them as allies, that makes no sense.
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Russian's late bid was refused. lmao
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Russian's late bid was refused. lmao
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Bid for what?
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Tartus isn't the issue, it's just icing on the cake. The main reason Russia backs Syria is because of Turkey. Turkey boasts the second largest army in NATO, and is a key player in the missile shield.

It's geopolitics 101.
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Libya should have allied itself with Russia instead of the US.
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Syria is a VITAL nation for Russian military. Russia can not and will not loose it's alliance with Syria.

To start, Russia has a massive naval base their. Among many airbases and other installations.
 Quoting: --Voltaic--


Russia has no alliance with Syria. If you think it does then what's happening in Syria speaks very bad of the value of being allied with Russia.
 Quoting: Vlad Tepes


LOL!~

Russia has military bases in Syria!

You cannot get more of an "alliance" than that!

"Presenting The Russian Naval Base In Tartus, Syria, Or Good Luck UN Security Council"

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