"in the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." - John 1:1

What is the Word, and what is John?



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Yes Jesus is the word that was with God. Became man was crucified died and was buried. He arose on the third day. Ascended into heaven and is seated at the right hand of God. So all could be saved from their sins.

I'll take a looksee, but if its some half-brained hippy bullshit, I'll puke.

He was. But the question is, what is Jesus then? Why is a "Word"? Strange way to describe him, no?

Not really. the word is every word breathed by God and written down for us to learn the history of mankind and the gospel.

Jesus is the son of God. Jesus came and fullfilled the law, which were given to moses on Mnt Sinai on the ten commandments.

That saying also shows that Jesus was God.

So Jesus is the breath of God? Is that all that it really means?

Not quibbling, but it doesn't really answer what the "Word" means, and why they specifically use that term?

The Word is the light of the world.

John 8:12 "Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life." -Bible KJV

Therefore, Jesus must be the Word.

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Certainly he is the light of life. But why not just come out and say "In the beginning was the light", etc., Why call him the "Word". Its a strange way to describe him. What exactly is the bible getting at there?

Words are utterances and symbols used to convey ideas and meanings. So is that all Jesus was? Of course not, so I find it strange that he is described this way.

Have a feeling something more and meaningful is being conveyed here that I can't fully understand.

if you're willing to take a look at something, how about CS Lewis, author of 'Mere Christianity'?


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No problem. Yeah CS Lewis is right, certainly there are demonic forces working through our schools and media. But still not sure, or if I didn't make myself clear, what exactly is "Word", why would they use that term? And really not looking for an oblique explanation of what Word is, that its something else. But what exactly is the nature of meaning of "Word" is what I'm curious about.

The Word(God, in the beginning) manifested as the Light when Jesus walked on earth in the flesh.
I hope that helps.

Thank you for trying to help, and I understand what he became or manifested himself as to us in history. But I'm trying to understand what "Word" is, or I guess you can say, what he was before he manifested himself on earth.

And so does John 17:5.

John 17:4-5
I have glorified thee on the earth; I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do. [5] And now glorify thou me, O Father, with thyself, with the glory which I had, before the world was, with thee.

Someone tell Mitt Romney. We have two non-Christians running
for President! Jesus mercy on our Country.

That's really interesting. It like the defining point.


First the word, then the word was with God, then he released the word and it became God - as in it did what "God" willed.


But it can also change forms, like God can will something to be done, that action is God's work, it doesn't give any of the kudos to 'miracles' or 'magic' like humans would do.

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The word, is the utterance of a thought. The thought is with the living conciousness. We are the manifestation of Gods thought. Imagine the thought flowing out from the living conciousness, that actively partakes in every detail of its thought. That is why God knows when even a leaf falls. The cycle of life as we know it, is the "time" it takes for the manifistation of the thought to take place, develop, persist and withdraw. We're blessed: for we sre litterally Gods thought. Finally, the thought withdraws back to its origin and is recycled into a new thought, followed by a new word and it all starts anew....;)

Yes, think you know what I'm trying to get at. It does take "miracle" or "magic" of it, but also adds new "miracles" and magic" back in in a way. In the sense as Einstein said “There are two ways to live: you can live as if nothing is a miracle; you can live as if everything is a miracle.”

Of course, I'm not looking for some definitive answers, nor expect there really is, but just curious what others think.

Yes, been thinking along the same lines. Word is ultimately thoughts, ideas, information (its most salient point is certainly not utterances or symbols on a page). And the implications that in the beginning, that's all there was, does this imply the whole world is just thoughts, ideas and information? And is Jesus ultimately the manifestation of thought? So just had me wondering about his ultimate nature and the ultimate nature of the world.

A couple of other words which come to mind when thinking about what the Word means to me personally:

The message of God
The way(path)
The door
light
truth
law
wisdom
love

And also does it really change forms? I mean is it really some radical change in form to go from Word to whatever we think of as the world as we know?

In the beginning was the word.

I was a word.

Yes, I agree. As the philosopher Wittgenstein mentioned, words rarely have a a single necessary and sufficient definition. So all these are good ways to describe aspects of the "Word". Especially like "the way", reminds of "The Tao" (which is its direct translation), to describe the nature of reality and the universe.

Only in John did Jesus had a previous existence. To the authors of Matthew and Luke, his life began inside his mother. Mark does not mention birth, just begins with his adulthood.

Why would it be said in such a weird way.

Why wouldn't John just have said

"In the beginning was our Lord Jesus, and Jesus was with God, and the Jesus was God."

And why are you ignoring the following words spoken by JESUS not John?

Jesus said "Mark 10:18 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.

Why the obvious separation between Jesus and GOD in Jesus' words?

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him (GOD) should not perish, but have everlasting life.

It is very clear that the him is GOD who sent Jesus ... NOT Jesus!

John 5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

And remember Jesus said

John 5:37 And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape.

JESUS explicitly says no man has heard GODS voice or seen his shape at anytime!

PLUS this is proven by other verses

YET GOD allegedly said

Exodus 33:20 And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall NO MAN SEE ME, and live.

AND JESUS allegedly said

John 1:18 NO MAN HAS SEEN GOD AT ANY TIME, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

AND Jesus also said

John 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

Why would he have said these things?

I suppose we can look at God from two perspectives.

1. As the being who said the 'word' and that 'word' became God, i.e, 'it is done'. As mentioned above this gives us no doubt that God did this work. He is standing at a point in time.

2. As the being who is above time, he sees all. His word is God. In this prospective our life is predetermined. He looks at all the potentials of the human race and he choses the best one. He touches the timeline and this becomes the Omega point. That point could have happened as far away as 200 years ago, but more likely it would have happened when humans were at the smartest, and most reasonable they could possibly be. So in a way we have an assisted evolution.

I am a believer that the second happened.

It also explains the idea of the dead rising to heaven. If God touched our timeline, to make that the reality. It goes without saying that all people on that timeline are now concepted, even those who lived and died.

Word= acting force: that which expresses a thought or concept.