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About not eating meat...vegetarians and vegans welcome with input for meat eaters..thank you

 
Ardhanarishvara

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Re: About not eating meat...vegetarians and vegans welcome with input for meat eaters..thank you
Here is a link (to a PDF article) that is quite interesting. The site that it originates from is called WAI and is world reknowned for outlining a basic diet that clears up any acne problem in two weeks. It incidently also cleared up diabete I, diabetes II, and most other degenerative deseases. Check out also the forum for some interesting discussion threads about food and diet.



[link to www.waiworld.com]
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show me a heavy meat eater , and i will show you a dull witted knumb skull , meat lowers the bodies vibrational feild , and clogs the intestines , dirty colon = disease and early death
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Guys you're not really answering the questions XD


Another thing OP is that it simply will be harder for the person who doesn't know how to cook, and for the person who only eats things like roast chicken dinners or fried breakfasts.

But - once again - quorn is king! Quorn sausages taste pretty much just like regular sausages, except they actually have some protein in and aren't made from bones and genitals!

So a good start perhaps would be just simple sausages and mash with veggie sausages.

Infact, would you like me to just type up some really simple meal ideas?
:sun:Ardhanarishvara | You died, and death was complete freedom from suffering - bliss. But it very quickly got lonely and repetitive in bliss, so you decided to be born once more. You've been doing this forever.

Whilst I may not agree with what you say, I will defend to the death my right to disagree with you.

Some say "think outside the box". I say "what fucking box?!" xx:taosmilie:
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made chestnut flour cake

chestnut flower..oil..raisins..a bit honey..and pine cone nuts

delicious

and nourishing
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But I say to you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven; for He causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous.
For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have?

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Re: About not eating meat...vegetarians and vegans welcome with input for meat eaters..thank you
there seems to be an interest in learning how to go about not eating meat and wether it is easy to do or not..
I have been asked about it ..so I thought Id start a thread for any vegan or vegetarian to contribute with advice

Seems many would like to take the step but just dont know how to go about it

Your advice and comments appreciated if it can help anyone take the move towards a non meat based diet

Much thanks
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i used to be a vegetarian and now i prefer paleo..why?

because there is a big problem with grains, legumes, nightshades and dairy (even though i give in on dairy)
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Curries are by far the easiest meals to make the transition from meaty to veggie!

Learn to cook a bunch of basic curries yeaaaah x
:sun:Ardhanarishvara | You died, and death was complete freedom from suffering - bliss. But it very quickly got lonely and repetitive in bliss, so you decided to be born once more. You've been doing this forever.

Whilst I may not agree with what you say, I will defend to the death my right to disagree with you.

Some say "think outside the box". I say "what fucking box?!" xx:taosmilie:
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Re: About not eating meat...vegetarians and vegans welcome with input for meat eaters..thank you
Here is a link (to a PDF article) that is quite interesting. The site that it originates from is called WAI and is world reknowned for outlining a basic diet that clears up any acne problem in two weeks. It incidently also cleared up diabete I, diabetes II, and most other degenerative deseases. Check out also the forum for some interesting discussion threads about food and diet.



[link to www.waiworld.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10096623


show me a heavy meat eater , and i will show you a dull witted knumb skull , meat lowers the bodies vibrational feild , and clogs the intestines , dirty colon = disease and early death
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17762740


Guys you're not really answering the questions XD


Another thing OP is that it simply will be harder for the person who doesn't know how to cook, and for the person who only eats things like roast chicken dinners or fried breakfasts.

But - once again - quorn is king! Quorn sausages taste pretty much just like regular sausages, except they actually have some protein in and aren't made from bones and genitals!

So a good start perhaps would be just simple sausages and mash with veggie sausages.

Infact, would you like me to just type up some really simple meal ideas?
 Quoting: Ardhanarishvara


yes please hf

I agree..modern society has enabled many to just buy precooked foods so too often the art of cooking is lost or forgotten..

Its necessary..as you point out..to know how to cook..even simple meals..

doesnt have to be laborious or time consuming
Matthew 16>18
And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it..
Peter was crucified..on Vatican Hill

"Thou shalt not kill" does not apply to murder of one's own kind only, but to all living beings; and this Commandment was inscribed in the human breast long before it was proclaimed from Sinai. ~Leo Tolstoy


You have heard that it was said, "You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy."
But I say to you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven; for He causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous.
For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have?

..Immanuel ,The Christ (Sermon Of The Mount)


“WHAT YOU DO TO OTHERS YOU DO TO YOURSELF FOR THAT IS THE LAW..AND THE PROFIT"

..)

Preach the Gospel at all times..and when necessary use words..

St.Francis Of Assisi..

Dont look at where the finger is pointing..but at WHO is doing the pointing


wildhoney14@yahoo.com

[link to www.google.ca]

Be part of the re evolution of the Spirit..say yes to peace and love..be called child of God

Inherit the Kingdom

...Time of the Angels..


oh and PLEASE STOP SENDING ME SPAM FROM AFRICA..thank you :)
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Re: About not eating meat...vegetarians and vegans welcome with input for meat eaters..thank you
to me it went naturally, so can't give practical advice. though maybe i can connect it with a time when i stumbled into "spiritual" part of life, after practicing one pointedly, some things started to fall away, including meat eating.

the question is why do you want to quit eating it?
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O.k. here's Ardhanarishvara's list of easy veggie meals!

First, a brief list of veg that will work with pretty much any of the meals on this list:


All the colours of peppers
Onions
Potatoes
Sweet potatoes
courgette ('zucchini')
broccoli
cauliflower
peas
chickpeas
chillis -
and lots of spice makes all things nice!

I would normally put all of the above (give or take chillis and spices depending on the meal) into the following (apart from 1 obviously):


1. Veggie sausages and mash with onion gravy!

2. Soups, stews, scouse (use quorn as the 'meat')

3. Curries! SO MANY TYPES OF CURRY to make. [link to www.bbcgoodfood.com] this one is an awesome one to learn with!

4. quorn fillet roasts

5. Vermicelli - broccoli and whatever other veg you like, and perhaps some quorn chunks, with noodles (rice noodles preferably)!

6. Special fried rice - with peppers, broccoli, onions, peas, and quorn if need be!

7. Pasta! pasta, pasta and pasta bakes!

8. Risotto!


It starts to get a bit more complicated after that!

But the preparation for most of these is the same: cut up all the veg and chuck it in!!!

9. Veggie sausages with chips ("fries") and baked beans!!!

Last Edited by Ardhanarishvara on 06/11/2012 07:56 AM
:sun:Ardhanarishvara | You died, and death was complete freedom from suffering - bliss. But it very quickly got lonely and repetitive in bliss, so you decided to be born once more. You've been doing this forever.

Whilst I may not agree with what you say, I will defend to the death my right to disagree with you.

Some say "think outside the box". I say "what fucking box?!" xx:taosmilie:
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a childish way to look at things.

enjoy anyways.

you can't avoid death and suffering in this paradigm. no one is more pure or innocent than another.
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sooner or later this cycle of death and rebirth will end..

and we will be free

this is like a hors d´ouvres
..of what will be
:)

This cycle has to end

the suffering has to stop

I think we have all had enough

Most people are worried about saving their souls ..which is great..but I think the other concern should be on how to bring the paradise on earth..how to end this sad and tragic cycle..

hf
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clappa
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Got a boy of 9 who has refused since weaning to eat meat , he didnt even know what it was.....he loves spinach and mushroom lasagne , home made pizzas either cheese/tomato or pineapple and sweetcorn....I ve never pushed the vegetarian thing on him , seems like he was born that way....(I dont eat red meat but sometimes like a little bit of chicken)
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Some of us are born vegetarians. I never liked to eat meat and my parents finally stopped forcing me to eat it when I was 13.
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Here is a link (to a PDF article) that is quite interesting. The site that it originates from is called WAI and is world reknowned for outlining a basic diet that clears up any acne problem in two weeks. It incidently also cleared up diabete I, diabetes II, and most other degenerative deseases. Check out also the forum for some interesting discussion threads about food and diet.



[link to www.waiworld.com]
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Guys you're not really answering the questions XD

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Oh contrare! The article is the answer to a lot of questions regarding the American diet.

Do your due diligence and read it! You will be pleasantly surprised.
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Here is my question to vegetarians. I AM what you may consider an athlete who exercises vigorously, regularly and I AM also an avid researcher and historian that uses a lot of brain power daily. Therefor, how can someone like me get enough protein for his body muscles and brain to be able to function at the top of my game?

I feel that without all my egg and meat based protein diet, that I would be a hungry, lethargic lil wimp who couldn't think his way out of a wet paper sack, let alone break through it. Just FYI, I eat lots of fruits and vegetables as well.
 Quoting: KnightsTemplar.TV


Quorn, vegetables, and, as an athlete i imagine you're already on the protein shakes, and if you're not you should be! x
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Thanks! hf

I actually stopped drinking them from all the BS added in them. Isn't a protein shake processed with additives, junk and sugary?

I was thinking natural whole food as the way to getting healthy.
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The thing I don't understand is why people think it is a bad thing to kill animals and eat them.

Everything dies. There is nothing on this planet that is immortal. If an animal is not killed by hunting or at a slaughterhouse, it will have to be killed by something. Either a disease, or a violent accident, or another animal. If the animal is not killed, it will reproduce over and over and over again. Which does not sound bad until you figure that if no human killed or ate any animals at all in the span of three years, you would have a complete overrun of many animals.

I am not just talking deer here. I am talking cows, chickens, deer, elk, moose, alligators, crocodiles, coyotes, etc. You would have animals walking through your neighborhood, on your highways, and into buildings in massive herds. After only three years of not eating meat or animal products, or trapping or killing animals, you would have a population explosion that would cause absolute pandemonium.

Then what would we have to do to fix the overrun? We would have to go slaughter billions of animals at once. Only now, since nobody eats them, we would have to either drag them off to an incinerator or leave them where they lay.

If we did not eat the animals, then there would no longer be a purpose for them and they would go from valuable livestock and valuable resources to nuisance creatures that cause damage and nothing more. If you think the killing is bad now, you just wait until an animal is relegated to a nuisance creature. Then the slaughter will commence.

Anyway, the point is this: If you are a vegetarian or vegan, great. That's your choice and it's good that you have it as a choice. However, do not look down on people who hunt or eat meat, because they are doing you one hell of a favor. They are removing billions of animals from the food chain that have very few natural predators, so that you do not have to.
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Here is a link (to a PDF article) that is quite interesting. The site that it originates from is called WAI and is world reknowned for outlining a basic diet that clears up any acne problem in two weeks. It incidently also cleared up diabete I, diabetes II, and most other degenerative deseases. Check out also the forum for some interesting discussion threads about food and diet.



[link to www.waiworld.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10096623


Guys you're not really answering the questions XD

 Quoting: Ardhanarishvara


Oh contrare! The article is the answer to a lot of questions regarding the American diet.

Do your due diligence and read it! You will be pleasantly surprised.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10096623


..just to sum up the article:

good food

raw egg yolk (the most densely nutrient rich food known)
oils
fat
sugar
fruits

bad food

anything cooked
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Here is my question to vegetarians. I AM what you may consider an athlete who exercises vigorously, regularly and I AM also an avid researcher and historian that uses a lot of brain power daily. Therefor, how can someone like me get enough protein for his body muscles and brain to be able to function at the top of my game?

I feel that without all my egg and meat based protein diet, that I would be a hungry, lethargic lil wimp who couldn't think his way out of a wet paper sack, let alone break through it. Just FYI, I eat lots of fruits and vegetables as well.
 Quoting: KnightsTemplar.TV


Quorn, vegetables, and, as an athlete i imagine you're already on the protein shakes, and if you're not you should be! x
 Quoting: Ardhanarishvara


Thanks! hf

I actually stopped drinking them from all the BS added in them. Isn't a protein shake processed with additives, junk and sugary?

I was thinking natural whole food as the way to getting healthy.
 Quoting: KnightsTemplar.TV



Whey protein shakes :) x
:sun:Ardhanarishvara | You died, and death was complete freedom from suffering - bliss. But it very quickly got lonely and repetitive in bliss, so you decided to be born once more. You've been doing this forever.

Whilst I may not agree with what you say, I will defend to the death my right to disagree with you.

Some say "think outside the box". I say "what fucking box?!" xx:taosmilie:
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We've been vegetarian for over 20 years, vegan for 12 on top of that...and, have a fee recipe site with over 600 yummy vegan recipes. I love being able to look any animal in the eye and say..I love you, I don't eat you...and they do know...

Here's the site...

[link to www.vegalicious.org]

of if you want to just look at photos...here.... double clicking will get you to the recipes

[link to www.flickr.com]
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We've been vegetarian for over 20 years, vegan for 12 on top of that...and, have a fee recipe site with over 600 yummy vegan recipes. I love being able to look any animal in the eye and say..I love you, I don't eat you...and they do know...

Here's the site...

[link to www.vegalicious.org]

of if you want to just look at photos...here.... double clicking will get you to the recipes

[link to www.flickr.com]
 Quoting: Silent Companion 336696


Nice! x
:sun:Ardhanarishvara | You died, and death was complete freedom from suffering - bliss. But it very quickly got lonely and repetitive in bliss, so you decided to be born once more. You've been doing this forever.

Whilst I may not agree with what you say, I will defend to the death my right to disagree with you.

Some say "think outside the box". I say "what fucking box?!" xx:taosmilie:
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Animals pretty much exist for us to eat.

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Don't forget they would gladly eat us if they needed to or could.
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They exist for us to eat?
How do you explain the fact that they were around millions of years before we arrived on earth. Bit premature wasn't it?
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Animals pretty much exist for us to eat.

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Don't forget they would gladly eat us if they needed to or could.
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They exist for us to eat?
How do you explain the fact that they were around millions of years before we arrived on earth. Bit premature wasn't it?
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omgiggles

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And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it..
Peter was crucified..on Vatican Hill

"Thou shalt not kill" does not apply to murder of one's own kind only, but to all living beings; and this Commandment was inscribed in the human breast long before it was proclaimed from Sinai. ~Leo Tolstoy


You have heard that it was said, "You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy."
But I say to you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven; for He causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous.
For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have?

..Immanuel ,The Christ (Sermon Of The Mount)


“WHAT YOU DO TO OTHERS YOU DO TO YOURSELF FOR THAT IS THE LAW..AND THE PROFIT"

..)

Preach the Gospel at all times..and when necessary use words..

St.Francis Of Assisi..

Dont look at where the finger is pointing..but at WHO is doing the pointing


wildhoney14@yahoo.com

[link to www.google.ca]

Be part of the re evolution of the Spirit..say yes to peace and love..be called child of God

Inherit the Kingdom

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Im no vegetarian myself, but my roommate is. And since I joined him in his house with his rules--> No meat!!

And i dont miss it at all, it's not needed in this society. ew in the Netherlands have loads of soya crap.

meat is nice but not needed, not anymore.
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Before modern day canning and transportation, those people who lived in temperate and sub-arctic areas had to rely to a certain degree upon meat to survive the winters. Meat could be smoked, dried, and salted for preservation. In areas where cultivation of large amounts of grains, fruits, legumes, and tubers was difficult, wild and domestic animals could convert inedible browse and grasses into digestible protein and fat and milk. People had no choice to survive.
For the past 30+ years, year-round vegetable/fruit produce has been available to people via the Market. This has made Vegetarianism and Veganism possible for large numbers of people outside the tropics.
Veganism is probably the healthiest diet to prevent and reverse heart disease.
Morally, meat eaters should never frown upon hunters. The old trophy buck has had a much better and longer existence than the 16 month old steers/heifers slaughtered by the millions for consumption by the masses.

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there seems to be an interest in learning how to go about not eating meat and wether it is easy to do or not..
I have been asked about it ..so I thought Id start a thread for any vegan or vegetarian to contribute with advice

Seems many would like to take the step but just dont know how to go about it

Your advice and comments appreciated if it can help anyone take the move towards a non meat based diet

Much thanks
hugs
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Easy? It depends on how much you love to eat meat.

Want to know an excellent substitute of meat? BEANS!

hf
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I am a vegetarian for health reasons alone, a few months ago I got into a long online argument with a whole heap of vegans, but before I started that argument when someone would ask me why am I a vegetarian I would say because of health and animal welfare reasons but now after the replies I got from that discusion I have come to the realisation that if I was doing it for the animals I would be a Vegan or raw foodist.
Thanks to those Vegans I now put my survival over that of my animals, having said that I will still continue to take care of my animals as humanely as possible but I no longer feel false gilt if I sell excess animals off for meat as I am now only vegetarian for health reasons. I owe those vegans a lot because I can now sell my excess roosters, my excess ducks, my excess male goats (as I only need one for breeding stock), excess honey from my new EXTRA beehives, and I am now looking into aquaculture which is something I would never have done before because It would of gone against my false idea that I was a vegetarian for animal welfare, I am also going to supply most of my fish food as worms from my new large worm farms and other bugs.
If I thought meat was healthy I would keep some of it myself to eat but I don’t think anyone could convince me to do that.

Meats not good enough for me to eat it but if people want to eat it than that’s there choice. I must admit i do make some omni people freak out a bit at first but after a short time everyone so far has come too really like my state of mind.

I have also found that omnies in general tend to be a lot more receptive to the idea of Vegetarianism than they used to be around me because of my new found laid back attitude, they see me as more of a realist now as opposed to some weirdo hippie making them feel bad and trying to convert them.

I now believe that people who think of themselves as omnivores have just as much right to eat meat as a carnivore such as a dog, I believe myself to be a Vegetarian therefore I have no right or need to eat meat!
The mind is a powerful thing, to quote Henry Ford "Whether you think you can, or you think you can't--you're right.", we can jump up and down and tell someone one logical fact after another until we are blue in the face and it wont matter one bit if they don’t believe that Vegetarianism or Veganism is right for them, if for some reason an omnivore who truly believes that they need meat to be healthy was forced to live on a vegetarian or vegan diet than there is a VERY HIGH chance that there physical and mental health would decrease (regardless of how much healthy food they eat) because of the restrictions that their mind has put in place!

Vegetarians and omnies are always getting bashed by vegans because they think that we don’t know enough about Animal rights and all that is needed is for vegans to fill in the gaps and that people (especially vegetarians) will jump on the band wagon as soon as they are told, that’s not the case for people in 3rd world countries and also for people like me who live in “first world countries” where the ground is so depleted from centuries of monoculture farming, mining and forestry that you could take a sledgehammer to the rock hard ground and break the hammers handle, and this is what we have to try and grow food in, which would be nearly impossible without the help of animals.

I would be quite surprised if there was a vegan or a vegetarian that has not tried to convert at leased one person. There is only one thing that can change or alter what the majority of the public believes (as it often does) and that is the Main Stream Media, sadly Adolph Hitler knew this all to well as he once said “If you tell a big enough lie and tell it frequently enough, it will be believed.” not that I am saying Vegetarianism is a lie but unless you can control the Main Stream Media you cannot change someone into believing that Vegetarianism or Veganism is right for them, it must be there choice that they make of there own free will and in there own time or else it wont last.

And as for health,
In my opinion there are many vegan and vegetarian foods that are a lot unhealthier to eat than either dairy or meat.
Lets talk about a man named John, John lives off a diet of mostly dairy, meat, white sugar, white flour, white rice, white bread, High Sugar breakfast Cereals, carbonated drinks, deep-fried foods, Cookies and Candy.
If our friend John was to change all of the above foods other than meat and dairy to healthier versions he would be a lot healthier than he would be if he only stopped eating meat and dairy and kept eating the rest.

By themselves Vegetarianism and Veganism do not guarantee a healthy diet, they can be a start but by themselves all they will ever be when it comes to health is to be a part of a healthy diet.
So if you are only worried about health meat and dairy should be one of the last things you will need to cut out of your diet.
And while we are on the topic of health, in my opinion there is not a single person in the world that can come up with a good argument that Honey is unhealthy.
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Im no vegetarian myself, but my roommate is. And since I joined him in his house with his rules--> No meat!!

And i dont miss it at all, it's not needed in this society. ew in the Netherlands have loads of soya crap.

meat is nice but not needed, not anymore.
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Thesproutarian.com

look up Sproutarian. Viktoras Kulvinskas and Ann Wigmore, The Sproutman, etc. Good stuff.

The sproutarians eat/drink sprouts of all kinds, grasses, weeds, seaweeds and algaes, and ferments. The nuts, seeds, grain and legume are all sprouted/germinated, or greened and eaten raw.
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May I suggest this thread with vegan recipes?

1,000 Vegan Recipes with Step-By-Step Pictures

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I eat meat and really haven't been a big fan of "veggie" anything - until someone made me one of these !

It's an actual veggie burger and IT ROCKS ! The recipe is from Chef Hubert Keller and here it is in PDF form.

[link to www.hubertkeller.com]
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Vegan fried mushrooms

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This could be a tasty alternative to fried chicken.
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Easy Vegan Cashew Cheese - Recipe

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Easy Vegan Cashew Cheese - Recipe

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