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Maya Civilization Done In By Brightening Of The Sun

 
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Is it a bird or a plane, dunno I can't see for those damn "Contrails"!

Maya Civilization Done In By Brightening Of The Sun
The Maya were talented astronomers, religiously intense in their observations of the sun, moon and planets. Now, new research shows something in the heavens may have influenced their culture and ultimately helped bring about their demise.

In an article in today's issue of the journal Science, a team of researchers led by a University of Florida geologist reports finding that the Yucatan Peninsula, seat of the ancient Maya civilization, was buffeted by recurrent droughts.

More importantly, the research shows, the droughts -- one of which is thought to have contributed to the collapse of the Maya civilization -- appear to have been caused by a cyclical brightening of the sun.

"It looks like changes in the sun's energy output are having a direct effect on the climate of the Yucatan and causing the recurrence of drought, which is in turn influencing the Maya evolution," said David Hodell, a UF professor of geology and the paper's lead author.

In 1995, Hodell and two colleagues at UF published results in the journal Nature suggesting that the ninth-century collapse of the Maya civilization may have been influenced by a severe drought that lasted for more than 150 years.

The paper, co-authored by Mark Brenner, a UF assistant professor of geology and director of UF's Land Use and Environmental Change Institute, and Jason Curtis, a UF geology researcher, was based on analysis of a sediment "core" from Lake Chichancanab on the north central Yucatan Peninsula in Mexico.

Cores are samples of lake sediment retrieved by driving a hollow tube into the lake bottom. The sediments are deposited layer by layer, like a wedding cake, with the oldest layer at the bottom. Such cores provide a timeline that allows researchers to obtain a continuous record of changes in climate, vegetation and land use.

For the latest research, Hodell, Brenner and Curtis returned to the lake and collected a new series of cores. The researchers discovered layers of calcium sulfate, or gypsum, concentrated at certain levels in the cores.

Lake Chichancanab's water is nearly saturated with gypsum. During dry periods, lake water evaporates and the gypsum falls to the lake bottom. The layers therefore represent drought episodes. The researchers found the recurrence of the deposits is remarkably cyclical, occurring every 208 years, although they varied in intensity.

The 208-year cycle caught the researchers' attention because it is nearly identical to a known 206-year cycle in solar intensity, Hodell said. As part of that cycle, the sun is most intense every 206 years, something that can be tracked through measuring the production of certain radioactive substances such as carbon-14.

The researchers found the drought episodes occurred during the most intense part of the sun's cycle. Not only that, the researchers found the droughts occurred at times when archeological evidence reflects downturns in the Maya culture, including the 900 A.D. collapse.

Such evidence includes abandonment of cities or slowing of building and carving activity.

As Hodell said, the energy received by the Earth at the peak of the solar cycle increases less than one-tenth of 1 percent, so it's likely that some mechanism in the climate is amplifying the impact in the Yucatan.

Archaeologists know the Maya were capable of precisely measuring the movements of the sun, moon and planets, including Venus. Hodell said he is unaware, however, of any evidence the Maya knew about the bicentenary cycle that ultimately may have played a role in their downfall.

"It's ironic that a culture so obsessed with keeping track of celestial movements may have met their demise because of a 206-year cycle," he said.

The cycle continues to the present, which happens to fall into about the middle of the 206-year period, Hodell said. Even a severe drought today, however, isn't likely to have the same impact on the culture as in ancient times. Brenner noted North Korea currently is suffering an extreme drought, but the country has the benefit of international aid.

"Nobody stepped in to help the Maya out," he said, "and as conditions worsened, it probably created a lot of stress among various Maya cities competing for resources."

Thomas Guilderson of the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory assisted the UF scientists in the research, which was funded by the National Science Foundation Paleoclimate Program. The cores were collected for a BBC program on climate and Maya culture collapse. - By Aaron Hoover

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The Mayans knew full well the cycles of the Sun and used the planets as one would use clock hands.

It is believed that the solar output affected fertility thus practically sterilised the civilisation.
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What happened to the cross at Urcos?
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"What happened to the cross at Urcos?"

Huh? Whats that?
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In perhaps the most heart breaking part of this investigation, we found that the old cross at Urcos was missing. The only thing left was its base to which a newer cross had been affixed. The base of the old cross is extremely eroded and must be centuries old. The new cross is recent, perhaps less than 50 years old, and unadorned. No one knows how the old cross was broken or who took it away.

The locals say that there has always been a cross there. They say that the symbol of the cross was extremely important to their culture. Indeed crosses, as we saw in the imagery of the Four United Quarters, were a key concept in Inca tradition.

However, the information - if there was any - on the cross at Urcos has been destroyed. One has to wonder if the re-publication of Mystery of the Cathedrals with the additional chapter on the Cross at Hendaye could have hurried the destruction of the cross at Urcos. Judging from the erosion, this new cross is very recent. Could someone have discovered the secret at Hendaye and gone to Urcos? Then destroyed the path behind them by getting rid of the cross?

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Maybe the ancient peoples weren't so far off giving sacrifices to the Sun God under names like Ra and many other names. Maybe we should worship the sun a little bit because it does give us life and can take it away in an instant by sneezing, really.

It couldn't hurt.
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"Maybe we should worship the sun a little bit because it does give us life and can take it away in an instant by sneezing, really."

Maybe we should not worship the sun, but rather treat it with a little bit more respect,along with the rest of nature.
From nature we come, and to nature we go.
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Wasenshi, I do not understand where you draw the parallel with the cross of urcos and this thread.
Can you enlighten us a little more. (if you pardon the pun)
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Hi,

I was being roundabout I suppose, It is in referance to Fulcanelli and the mystery of the cathedrals and the Hendaye Cross. I cannot seem to bring that thread up.

But indeed it is natures way to be cyclical as the method of creation is the tube torus, look at all things living they are surrounded by the torus.

In 3d the torus moves to a spiral, a sacred spiral. The Maya were vedic in there movement, the math they came up with and the Hunab Ku are all reasons to see this civilization as advanced.

It is the Henday cross and the end of times that lead us to LaViollete and the superwave, the sun cycle and the ice core data of rapid climate change.

There is much more but that is the quick rundown.....thanks for the post.

Google any part of the above mentioned topics and you will get more info, happy hunting.
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Thanks for clearing that up Wasenshi. rose
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Carbon-14 and solar activity

The solar wind, linked to the intensity of solar radiation emission, intercepts part of the galactic cosmic radiation – responsible for the formation of 14C – before it reaches the earth. So, when in a fossil (or in the wood of a tree ring), whose age is known by other methods, an anomaly is found with respect to the percent of 14C that it should contain, it indicates that when this fossil was alive (or the tree ring grew) there could be an anomaly in the production of atmospheric 14C. Therefore, also in the intensity of the cosmic radiation reaching the earth at that time. The arrival of more or less cosmic rays depends inversely on the intensity of the solar wind that intercepts it. Therefore eventually, the anomalies detected in 14C can be attributed to the excursions in solar emissivity.

The eras where there was higher production of 14C correspond to times of less solar activity (and more incident cosmic radiation). Additionally, if an increase in Beryllium 10 is produced, an isotope of Beryllium also of cosmogenic origin, the hypothesis of reduced solar activity is reinforced. That is the case of the minima of Wolf, Sporer and Maunder occurring during the course of the last millennium (figure).

And the reverse, the eras of less production of 14C should be related to times of high solar activity. According to some paleoclimatologists, a long intense drought that occurred between 750 and 1025 of our age, and that coincides with a low production of 14C (and high solar activity) seen in the lake bed sediments of Yucatan originated the decline of the Mayan civilization.

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Then the great drought drove them into a frenzy of dispear, very sad really.
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"very sad really."

But there is still a lot we could learn from them, by their knowledge and their mistakes.
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Heat and war- I think we are almost approaching the same ground again, have we learnt anything?
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As long as humans remain with their present mindset, we shall learn little, if nothing.
Humans need a leap of conciousness, and I for one am hoping that this is what the next few years will bring.
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There's also a theorist out there who claims all the nazca line formations pinpoint an underground water source.
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Is it a bird or a plane, dunno I can't see for those damn "Contrails"!

Maya Civilization Done In By Brightening Of The Sun
The Maya were talented astronomers, religiously intense in their observations of the sun, moon and planets. Now, new research shows something in the heavens may have influenced their culture and ultimately helped bring about their demise.

In an article in today's issue of the journal Science, a team of researchers led by a University of Florida geologist reports finding that the Yucatan Peninsula, seat of the ancient Maya civilization, was buffeted by recurrent droughts.

More importantly, the research shows, the droughts -- one of which is thought to have contributed to the collapse of the Maya civilization -- appear to have been caused by a cyclical brightening of the sun.

"It looks like changes in the sun's energy output are having a direct effect on the climate of the Yucatan and causing the recurrence of drought, which is in turn influencing the Maya evolution," said David Hodell, a UF professor of geology and the paper's lead author.

In 1995, Hodell and two colleagues at UF published results in the journal Nature suggesting that the ninth-century collapse of the Maya civilization may have been influenced by a severe drought that lasted for more than 150 years.

The paper, co-authored by Mark Brenner, a UF assistant professor of geology and director of UF's Land Use and Environmental Change Institute, and Jason Curtis, a UF geology researcher, was based on analysis of a sediment "core" from Lake Chichancanab on the north central Yucatan Peninsula in Mexico.

Cores are samples of lake sediment retrieved by driving a hollow tube into the lake bottom. The sediments are deposited layer by layer, like a wedding cake, with the oldest layer at the bottom. Such cores provide a timeline that allows researchers to obtain a continuous record of changes in climate, vegetation and land use.

For the latest research, Hodell, Brenner and Curtis returned to the lake and collected a new series of cores. The researchers discovered layers of calcium sulfate, or gypsum, concentrated at certain levels in the cores.

Lake Chichancanab's water is nearly saturated with gypsum. During dry periods, lake water evaporates and the gypsum falls to the lake bottom. The layers therefore represent drought episodes. The researchers found the recurrence of the deposits is remarkably cyclical, occurring every 208 years, although they varied in intensity.

The 208-year cycle caught the researchers' attention because it is nearly identical to a known 206-year cycle in solar intensity, Hodell said. As part of that cycle, the sun is most intense every 206 years, something that can be tracked through measuring the production of certain radioactive substances such as carbon-14.

The researchers found the drought episodes occurred during the most intense part of the sun's cycle. Not only that, the researchers found the droughts occurred at times when archeological evidence reflects downturns in the Maya culture, including the 900 A.D. collapse.

Such evidence includes abandonment of cities or slowing of building and carving activity.

As Hodell said, the energy received by the Earth at the peak of the solar cycle increases less than one-tenth of 1 percent, so it's likely that some mechanism in the climate is amplifying the impact in the Yucatan.

Archaeologists know the Maya were capable of precisely measuring the movements of the sun, moon and planets, including Venus. Hodell said he is unaware, however, of any evidence the Maya knew about the bicentenary cycle that ultimately may have played a role in their downfall.

"It's ironic that a culture so obsessed with keeping track of celestial movements may have met their demise because of a 206-year cycle," he said.

The cycle continues to the present, which happens to fall into about the middle of the 206-year period, Hodell said. Even a severe drought today, however, isn't likely to have the same impact on the culture as in ancient times. Brenner noted North Korea currently is suffering an extreme drought, but the country has the benefit of international aid.

"Nobody stepped in to help the Maya out," he said, "and as conditions worsened, it probably created a lot of stress among various Maya cities competing for resources."

Thomas Guilderson of the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory assisted the UF scientists in the research, which was funded by the National Science Foundation Paleoclimate Program. The cores were collected for a BBC program on climate and Maya culture collapse. - By Aaron Hoover

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Riiight maybe in the form of the invading papal sun spaniard troops

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