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# ElectroStatic and ElectroMagnetic Charge Fields

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ElectroStatic and ElectroMagnetic Charge Fields
ElectroStatic Field Charge
--------------------- Different Dimensions
ElectoMagnetic Field Charge

CHARGE = Source of Energy

ES Field + EM Field = singular effect of vortical motion because of the Source of Energy: Charge.

I said, "Dormant ElectroMagnetic field", but that was only one of two dormant Cause 'dimensions'. The second is ElectroStatic. Having two Cause Dimensions active, causes a singular effect: Vortical Movement

The Origin of Force (Charge) is the same 'force' but it affects the two Cause Dimensions very differently. This effect is stabilized by a certain shape: the Geometric Sphere.

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In order to manifest fully into the material, both Fields must be at the 1 Spin state to hold the proper geometric sphere shape.

The ElectroStatic Field Cause Dimension manifests into the material as a 1 Spin in the Geometric Sphere shape.

The ElectroMagnetic Field Cause Dimension manifests into the material as a 1/2 Spin. The 1/2 spin only creates a spinning cone shape. In order to attain the geometric sphere shape, it has to have two cones. Also, it must have the correct angle of spin to make a sphere, which is 4pi. This creates the toriod shape (a geometric sphere shape). The wave form is antisymmetric as you can see below. Again, you can see the 1/2 relation.

With this, both Causal Field Dimensions are manifesting and in sync with each other. They have achieved stability and are self perpetuating.

Both the ElectroStatic Charge and ElectroMagnetic Charge are a reflection of each other, even though they are two entirely different manifestations. If they did not mirror each other, then an imbalance would occur, and self-perpetuation would either eventually stabilize, or more likely, collapse. Either way, there is deformation in the structure/function/movement of the manifested mass if they do not reflect each other perfectly.

No other Causal Dimensions need to exist to explain material manifestation. Before movement, both ElectroStatic Charge Field and ElectroMagnetic Charge Field are free of gaps. That means that there is no units within them. But, when motion of charge occurs, quanta is formed that is the discrete natural units of existence; Length, Frequency, Mass, Charge, and Spherical Geometry.

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So, they desire confirmation of an information carrier that is superluminal? Let me get this right...if I am understanding you correctly, they are looking for, what I have termed, the singularity, the aether, the dimensionless, the source. Is that right? Can't be. I'm missing something.
Quoting: swinger

i don`t think you are missing it
maybe alter some sequencing to fit consensus understanding that works
we will do it online as their debate continues

what we are doing is modeling it from their information before they roll their finished model out
Quoting: aether

OK, I'm not sure of this, because I got a flash, and I'm trying to hold onto it before I lose it.

It has to do with 'what is the superluminal information carrier'?

The carrier is the electrostatic charge field, and the electromagnetic charge field that never reaches stability. Basically it would be...shit, lol. (I've got this written down, and I am jumping forward without explaining my summarizing of the info. Sorry if this is out of place because I haven't explained how I got here yet, but I'm just going to write it straight from my notes.)

EM = electromagnetic field charge
ES = electrostatic field charge

The dimensional effect of EM 1/2 spin is the tendency to achieve stability by matching the 1 spin of ES. The EM 1/2 spin is the form of a cone (within a sphere). In order to match the full sphere (which is the 1 spin ES), it needs 2 cones. Wala! We have our toroid shape. Now we need to add the angle of motion, which once again must match the 1 spin ES (sphere geometry). With EM only being 1/2 spin, we will need an angle of 4pi. If we do not meet this requirement, then stability is never fully achieved, and no manifestation into mass or the material is possible.

Anyway, to put it simply, when motion comes across the 1st 2 dimensional fields (electrostatic charge field and electromagnetic charge field) both dimensions must mirror sphere geometry. If either one doesn't, then it never achieves stability and it collapses and never truly goes sub-luminal (achieves stability).

Is the superluminal information carrier dimensional fields that when the information 'runs' through them, but does not have the proper 'shape' to achieve mass/inertia stability?
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Re: ElectroStatic and ElectroMagnetic Charge Fields
the dimensions of discrete natural units (quanta) are length, frequency, mass, charge, and spherical geometry.
Quoting: observation

Quanta is the plural of Quantum.

In physics, a quantum (plural: quanta) is the minimum amount of any physical entity involved in an interaction.
Quoting: observation

Quantum, in physics, discrete natural unit, or packet, of energy, charge, angular momentum, or other physical property.
Quoting: observation

frequency is the number of occurrences of a repeating event per unit time.
Quoting: observation

When we think of momentum, we are taught to think of mass times velocity. Since mass is inertia, we could say that momentum is inertia that is moving. But many people also think of momentum as inertia that is not moving, or in other words, momentum and inertia appear to them as the same thing. Similarly, acceleration is sometimes thought of as a kind of momentum, as is energy, force, and angular momentum.

The Aether has many qualities, of which direction and radial flow both apply. In fact, the Aether is the unit of existence in which ALL the various qualities of existence come together at once. This can be seen in that the Aether unit has one dimension of mass, two dimensions of frequency, three dimensions of length, and four dimensions of charge. Every possible combination of dimensions that produce the units of existence we are familiar with (momentum, force, energy, etc.) exists within the Aether unit.
Quoting: observation

Quoting: aether

space (Aether) is the source of two distinct types of charges and that space currents are the result of space flowing within itself (just like the Gulf Stream is a current within the ocean).

There are two distinct types of charges, magnetic and electric. These charges reside as features of the Aether (space). Just as water molecules congregate to make oceans, Aether units congregate to make space. Thus regions of space can form electric and magnetic structures at various scales just as water currents can form in oceans on various scales and in various geometries and from various causes.

The reason modern physics relies so heavily on gravity in their explanations is because they have charge notated incorrectly in their units. Instead of charge being a single dimension relative to mass, it should be distributed (charge squared). The single dimension charge notation causes an incorrect relationship among units and so several different theories (conflicting, nonetheless) are required to explain electrical phenomena (nuclear structure, electrodynamics, relativity).
Quoting: observation

making sense
Quoting: aether

There are two distinct types of charges, magnetic and electric.
Quoting: observation

so the electric field is formed and sustained from it`s own source of energy
likewise

the magnetic field is formed and sustained by a similar form source of energy, a differing charge to that of electric charge

2 dimensions of charge forming two fundamental fields

yes, the 2

the 2 causes of singular effect , vorticle motion

now we have two dimensions
i was never feeling the magnetic field dimension because i never knew it existed LOL

that nuts cos i did but i never thought about it hence never thought it my place to go their as in
felt odd that i could cos i never recognized the dimension i was in when i went because i never "thought" a dimension existed to go into
Quoting: aether

now we can see the cause of cause is 2 sets of 2

hahah

charge/field (electric) , charge/field (magnetic) = singular effect (vortical motion)

that applies to all things material and non material

no wonder it was cumbersome, we had the right ingredients but not the complete breakdown (dimensions)

we where a whole dimension missing

hence we were experiencing effects and being correct in our communicative intuition as to the causes but we could not form the right written sequence to support what we knew
Quoting: aether

That explains the "pairs" thing...

Quoting: ArunaLuna

i am sure you are right because right up to today everything had a dimension missing in our (not yours) explanations
Quoting: aether

and the reason it was missing is because it was a charge dimension and it never crossed our minds as we went from electric field to magnetic, because we are charge bias, we were utilizing two dimensions that felt the same to us
the only difference was the field effects

i for one never thought to look which charge dimension i was in linked to which field, i without thought thought applied charge to either field without thought i was changing dimensions to do so

oh well
glad i was in the mood to look today

hahah

it`s funny , really funny
Quoting: aether

fuck it
symbolism tells

not field (female) charge (male)

completely wrong

female and male charge

one forms an magnetic field and one forms an electric field

they are equal in origin of force

whoa
Quoting: aether

by nature they cause different effect
but their origin of force remains the same
Quoting: aether

by nature they cause different effect
but their origin of force remains the same
Quoting: aether

electrostatic charge and the electromagnetic charge.
Quoting: observation

we remember these , we just never thought differing dimensions because it feels the same because it is the same origin of force, charge
so backwards
the 2 (dimensions) have the same singular effect

there is no backwards from these dimensions (the 2)
but where their to be so it would be the same singular effect and the effect is charge, the cause of cause

lol

that`s it

there is no further into our non material than where we are
Quoting: aether

so is 3,6,9 the symbols of charge, effect, charge,

one of those is going to be effect and 2 are going to be the dimensions the singular effect arises from

that singular effect forces all the other numbers to move (turn) as instructed by dictating the velocity and direction of the spin

the spin all things are within
Quoting: aether

Electrostatic charge has one spin and is spherical, while electromagnetic charge has half spin and has steradian geometry.

The unified charge equations dictate a general geometry for the subatomic particles. Electrostatic charge has the geometry of a sphere while the strong charge (electromagnetic) has the geometry of a toroid.

Since strong charge (electromagnetic) belongs to the half spin subatomic particle, strong charge must multiply by two to be equal in spin to one spin electrostatic charge. And since electrostatic charge has a solid angle of one (spherical) electromagnetic charge must multiply by 4 pi to be equal in geometry.This is the meaning of the 8 pi geometrical constant, which also occurs in Einstein's simplified field equation for General Relativity.

According to established physics theories, there is supposed to be only one type of charge, the electrostatic charge. The magnetic force is believed to be the relativistic effect of electrostatic charge. If there is just one type of charge, why does it have two distinct manifestations?
Quoting: observation

Spin-½

In quantum mechanics, spin is an intrinsic property of all elementary particles. Fermions, the particles that constitute ordinary matter, have half-integer spin. Spin-½ particles constitute an important subset of such fermions. All known elementary fermions have a spin of ½.
Quoting: observation

that`s the dimensional effect of what is called half spin
Quoting: aether

And since electrostatic charge has a solid angle of one (spherical), electromagnetic charge must multiply by 4 pi to be equal in geometry. This is the meaning of the 8 pi geometrical constant, which also occurs in Einstein's simplified field equation for General Relativity.
Quoting: observation

Pi

The number pi is a mathematical constant that is the ratio of a circle's circumference to its diameter. The constant, sometimes written pi, is approximately equal to 3.14159.
Quoting: observation

okay so it`s the original shape (structure) of the static charge dimensions effect (spherical) that forces the stronger electromagnetic charge dimension effect to spin the same way but because the em dimension is a differing shape (toroid), so it spins more to match it`s effect to static dimensional effect (fit)

Toroid

whoa
look what that led to !

Dynamic Symbols II
The Vortex and the Path to Liberation

All sheaths of a torus/toroid are made up of energy and force that are in constant motion. Because their outer sheaths or shells are composed primarily of the third aspect of deity, they can also become tessellated over their surfaces with many intricate and detailed designs when their vibrational frequencies are slowed down.
Quoting: observation

Quoting: aether

you know what i still find odd this morning is the natural ability to cross into either of the two charge dimensions, one from another without, noticing the change in dimension only the change in effect

so i would alter my expression to match the different effect i encountered whilst understanding the differing effects which i called field effects, where caused by the same cause

that is true but the two dimensions have a differing shape so they feel the same and are the same in substance, it is their motive which is different (shape)

i detected that by recognizing one dimensional shape motive, the static motive and i changed to the electromagnetic dimensional motive when i crossed over not by my recognition of it`s own existence but by my recognizing it`s own differing effect, i changed motive because of the effect of the dimension i went into not because i knew i was in a different dimension

fuck

oh well no harm done
Quoting: aether

so field is the physical effect of dimensional cause , it is the dimensions feedback
the dimension continues with it`s motive (shape) because the feedback to it (field) continuously reminds it of it`s motivated effect

so our fields are the continuous guidance/steering of our actions by way of feedback continuous feedback to the collective dimensional causes that are tour singular effect (identity)

the fields keep us in the motive (shape) we are (purpose) by feeding us the sensations of our motivated purpose
Quoting: aether

you know what i still find odd this morning is the natural ability to cross into either of the two charge dimensions, one from another without, noticing the change in dimension only the change in effect

so i would alter my expression to match the different effect i encountered whilst understanding the differing effects which i called field effects, where caused by the same cause

that is true but the two dimensions have a differing shape so they feel the same and are the same in substance, it is their motive which is different (shape)

i detected that by recognizing one dimensional shape motive, the static motive and i changed to the electromagnetic dimensional motive when i crossed over not by my recognition of it`s own existence but by my recognizing it`s own differing effect, i changed motive because of the effect of the dimension i went into not because i knew i was in a different dimension

fuck

oh well no harm done
Quoting: aether

How do you know it wasn't a different frequency?
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12805141

Quantum Frequency

Let us define frequency as a dimension, which when given a quantity, measures duration. Normally we think in terms of time dimension. Nevertheless, all of our time-keeping devices measure directly as frequency.
Frequency is the dimension normally expressed, as evidenced by time dimension appearing in the denominator of unit expressions.
Quoting: observation

this is one of the hearts of the debate

if you have for example 2 dimensions that consist of of only what they are as in:
the dimensions of charge are both charge expressing different shape and their effects (fields)

the unit in each of the those dimensions of charge are constant charge, there exists no frequency as in:
no gap(s) to make units of charge
it is all charge

those two dimensions and their effects (fields) form the singular effect (votice)

that singular effect (vortice) causes all things to form into units because it`s various directions of motion and variable velocty of spin forms the frequency (gaps between) in all things following (as a consequence)

thus there exists no frequency/time dimension because the frequency (gap that forms units) occurs within the dimensions they are structured to form within forming the gap between each units existence

that being said
this is the first time that has been written
so it is work in progress
Quoting: aether

How do you know it wasn't a different frequency?
Quoting: observation

so i know it was not frequency (velocity) because i only see/experience/utilize velocity to match the velocity of that which i am communicating with
or
to see the units by my matching the velocity (frequency) they motion at within the dimension they exist

i can not imagine frequency (time) as a dimension because it doesn`t exist to me as a dimension so there exists nothing to go into , or become for me to experience being inside it or as it
Quoting: aether

lol swinger
i was on a talk walk on the same topic

they desire confirmation of the information carrier as in:

when light emits from a light emitting something (electromagnetic radiation) the seeing of those radiations over distance travels through the medium that carries their radiated emissions at the velocity those emissions naturally travel at through the medium that they travel through to the one whom is going to see

what they are looking for is what is the information carrier that travels through that same medium near instant velocity and delivers the information that the electromagnetic emitting something exists and where it exists to the receiver just as gravity does in the location it does, as in:
that carrier of information at superluminal velocity confirms where everything is locationaly in real time , as does gravity

you have to be informed where you are and where "all that is not you materially" is instantly always, consciously or not because if it where not so, our material dimension would not function as it does

everything would be all over the place (chaos)

this is what they are searching for in essense
Quoting: aether

So, they desire confirmation of an information carrier that is superluminal? Let me get this right...if I am understanding you correctly, they are looking for, what I have termed, the singularity, the aether, the dimensionless, the source. Is that right? Can't be. I'm missing something.
Quoting: Swinging on Spirals

So, they desire confirmation of an information carrier that is superluminal? Let me get this right...if I am understanding you correctly, they are looking for, what I have termed, the singularity, the aether, the dimensionless, the source. Is that right? Can't be. I'm missing something.
Quoting: swinger

i don`t think you are missing it
maybe alter some sequencing to fit consensus understanding that works
we will do it online as their debate continues

what we are doing is modeling it from their information before they roll their finished model out
Quoting: aether

update:

Maxwell put forward a mathematical idea of a self-perpetuating electromagnetic wave. At the time he was unaware that electromagnetism "emanates" from electrons. Without the action/operation of electrons there can be no electric or magnetic "field". These EM "fields" are not spooky entities in their own right, but merely a "sphere" of influence around electrons. The action/operation of electrons creates the "field", so the field cannot exist without electrons at its origin. The concept of free floating and self-perpetuating EM fields belongs firmly in the realm of superstition.
Quoting: observation

OK well I think you are definitely on the right track here, regarding the importance of electrons and their ability to generate electromagnetic radiation (light). As to the relative importance of a charge and the electric field, there is something of a chicken-and-egg problem. What is a charge? It is a divergence of an electric field. What is an electric field? It is that which emanates from a charge. I don't think this represents a problem in our understanding, it just linguistics. Neither one "came first", they are both two sides of the same coin.
Quoting: NASA themis

Light is entirely unaffected by electromagnetic fields. There is no reaction from the light and no influence upon the light from electric or magnetic fields.
Quoting: observation

Yes, this is the linearity of electromagnetic fields that you describe. One electromagnetic field is not affected by another, they superpose linearly. Note also that Gravity is entirely unaffected by Mass.. in that mass doesn't shield or change the gravitational field of another mass.
Quoting: NASA themis

That EM fields and photonic light share a common velocity is entirely coincident upon a common emission source: electrons.
Quoting: observation

Any charge that is accelerated produces electromagnetic radiation. It is a lot easier to accelerate electrons than protons (1806 times easier) but electromagnetic radiation is emitted from any accelerated charge.. that's what light is. Take a look at all the energy lost to electromagnetic radiation in the LHC for example, synchrotron radiation emitted by heavy ions.
Quoting: NASA themis

Quoting: aether

so the fields superpose linearly reflecting their separate dimensional causes because anything that moves, micro to macro is moving charges (dimensions) and each something that moves possess it`s own dimensional sources hence fields
it is the same sources (dimensions) but each something has it`s unique origin and field place/area

does that sound right?
Quoting: aether

update:

Light is seems has no amplitude. May be the maths is satisfied, but conceptually the label of "wave" becomes harder to endure. Light sometimes behaves in a manner indicative of a wave and sometimes in a manner indicative of a "particle". So now light is only sometimes a wave, and a wave with no amplitude at that.
Quoting: observation

No amplitude? Sorry I don't follow you. Maybe you are talking about quantized emission? If you run a current through a wire such that the current I = A sin( wt ) you produce light with an amplitude A. If you increase the current, you increase the amplitude of the radiation.
Quoting: NASA themis

In regards to light being a wave or electromagnetic.. didn't we have this discussion before?
Quoting: NASA themis

Quoting: aether

so what is being debated is what replaces our belief that time, which we imagined into a thoughtform, is a dimension.

what replaces the thoughtform dimension (time)?

the good part is that our recent information is constructed without thought (technological) so we do have reality to form into thought
but

only when we don`t know the thought formed belief we posses

you know

really we could do with only talking to children up to the age of say 15 years old and remove everyone older than that

that would make this soooo easy
Quoting: aether

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but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming, "Wow! What a Ride!"

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OK, then reveal them, Dork Foul.
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I mean, come on. You jump on my thread and immediately call us all idiots, or the government idiots, or whatever. And this thread has NOTHING to do with it. So, why did you decide to jump on here and start with these comments?
Quoting: Swinging on Spirals

All you do is cry. No wonder nobody fucks with you
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So in other words your just trolling then and have nothing of significance to add?
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Well, I do my best to study physics, I don't understand this post at all, I've never even heard " vortical " except in regards to fluid dynamics/multiphase fluid dynamics.

Why are Fermions with half-integer spin required to occupy antisymmetric quantum states, and Bosons with integer spin are not ?
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Well, I do my best to study physics, I don't understand this post at all, I've never even heard " vortical " except in regards to fluid dynamics/multiphase fluid dynamics.

Why are Fermions with half-integer spin required to occupy antisymmetric quantum states, and Bosons with integer spin are not ?
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15152757

I'm not sure exactly what you are asking. I've just been trying to interpret some of the information I have come across.

Can you expand further on your thoughts? Basically, it has to do with bosons being able to occupy the same state, and fermions not able to, which has to do with how the wavefunction cancels (?) out in the antisymetric wave of the fermion.

Bosons are particles whose wavefunction is symmetric under such an exchange, so if we swap the particles the wavefunction does not change. Fermions are particles whose wavefunction is antisymmetric, so under such a swap the wavefunction gets a minus sign, meaning that the amplitude for two identical fermions to occupy the same state must be zero. This is the Pauli exclusion principle: two identical fermions cannot occupy the same state. This rule does not hold for bosons.

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It's off topic but I see this as an interesting personal irony for me. The last few days I've been learning and exploring more about largest wheels of the constellations and your thread shows up analyzing the smallest.
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Well, I do my best to study physics, I don't understand this post at all, I've never even heard " vortical " except in regards to fluid dynamics/multiphase fluid dynamics.

Why are Fermions with half-integer spin required to occupy antisymmetric quantum states, and Bosons with integer spin are not ?
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All physical existences are weaved in vortical motion; nothing physical in nature is not vortical.
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Well, I do my best to study physics, I don't understand this post at all, I've never even heard " vortical " except in regards to fluid dynamics/multiphase fluid dynamics.

Why are Fermions with half-integer spin required to occupy antisymmetric quantum states, and Bosons with integer spin are not ?
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15152757

I'm not sure exactly. I've just been trying to interpret some of the information I have come across.

Can you expand further on your thoughts?
Quoting: Swinging on Spirals

A - Because Bosons are not required to obey the Pauli Exclusion principle, if they did, they wouldn't be the force carrier. Fermions on the other hand, if they share the same space, they cannot share identical spin property. Fermions can only display characteristic like Bosons under conditions like superconductivity.
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It's off topic but I see this as an interesting personal irony for me. The last few days I've been learning and exploring more about largest wheels of the constellations and your thread shows up analyzing the smallest.
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What I like is when you can get into pretty good detail of how something may work, whether it is micro or macro, and the overall principles are identical.
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Well, I do my best to study physics, I don't understand this post at all, I've never even heard " vortical " except in regards to fluid dynamics/multiphase fluid dynamics.

Why are Fermions with half-integer spin required to occupy antisymmetric quantum states, and Bosons with integer spin are not ?
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15152757

I'm not sure exactly. I've just been trying to interpret some of the information I have come across.

Can you expand further on your thoughts?
Quoting: Swinging on Spirals

A - Because Bosons are not required to obey the Pauli Exclusion principle, if they did, they wouldn't be the force carrier. Fermions on the other hand, if they share the same space, they cannot share identical spin property. Fermions can only display characteristic like Bosons under conditions like superconductivity.
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Yes, I just got that. It has to do how the wave-function (form) is in the 'particles'. It basically sounds like the reason fermions can't exist in the same state, because the wave forms would cancel each other out.
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Well, I do my best to study physics, I don't understand this post at all, I've never even heard " vortical " except in regards to fluid dynamics/multiphase fluid dynamics.

Why are Fermions with half-integer spin required to occupy antisymmetric quantum states, and Bosons with integer spin are not ?
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All physical existences are weaved in vortical motion; nothing physical in nature is not vortical.
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"Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body,
but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming, "Wow! What a Ride!"

We do not Die, We Awaken to the Dream that We Lived.
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I used to think that there was/is only one 'aether' that brings waves/particles into existence. One background 'field' that is unseen.

Recently it has come to my attention that there is, more likely, two 'background' fields that brings wave/particles into existence.

The original idea comes from the Aether background. But the question was always: what is the aether?

I had called it a 'dormant electromagnetic field', thinking that the electricity and magnetism was always in the background of everything, but had yet to manifest because of motion.

But, as I explained in the op, it appears there are two fields, not just the one. Which makes sense. When charge or movement exists within the fields, wave/particles are manifested into 'existence'. BUT, the charge or movement affects the field in two totally different ways. So, it appears that there are actually 2 fields (2 aehters - ?), and the singular charge or movement affects each field in a different way.

One field being the ElectroMagnetic Field and
One field being the ElectroStatic Field

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Feel like I`ve been here before...I must be caught in a spiral...
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Feel like I`ve been here before...I must be caught in a spiral...
Quoting: <<LOOK`n thru YOU>>

Hey Look n!

It's actually pretty cool, because it is very similar to what I was thinking before, but with the acceptance of having two 'dormant' fields, the pieces seem to fit a lot better.

Now remember, these 'fields' are everything and nothing. They make up the universe. Everything in the material arises from them. Everything IS them, but in motion. It is beautiful in my mind, and very difficult to explain.

We, and everything around us, are these two fields, set in motion. Once the fields are set in motion, dimension (x,y,z) exists, as well as time, and mass, and 'charge', etc.

Before they are set in motion, they would be 'dimensionless'. They would have no separation, no particle size, no waves, no nothing, because there is no movement. Perhaps they exist in a super-luminal state.

"Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body,
but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming, "Wow! What a Ride!"

We do not Die, We Awaken to the Dream that We Lived.
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Well, I do my best to study physics, I don't understand this post at all, I've never even heard " vortical " except in regards to fluid dynamics/multiphase fluid dynamics.

Why are Fermions with half-integer spin required to occupy antisymmetric quantum states, and Bosons with integer spin are not ?
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15152757

I'm not sure exactly. I've just been trying to interpret some of the information I have come across.

Can you expand further on your thoughts?
Quoting: Swinging on Spirals

A - Because Bosons are not required to obey the Pauli Exclusion principle, if they did, they wouldn't be the force carrier. Fermions on the other hand, if they share the same space, they cannot share identical spin property. Fermions can only display characteristic like Bosons under conditions like superconductivity.
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Yes, I just got that. It has to do how the wave-function (form) is in the 'particles'. It basically sounds like the reason fermions can't exist in the same state, because the wave forms would cancel each other out.
Quoting: Swinging on Spirals

The Boson is Symmetric, and the wave form doesn't cancel out. The Fermions are anti-symmetric.

So the Boson's can nestle within eachother...existing in the same state. But the Fermions can't exist in the same state. The oscillating wave form would not allow other particle/wave nesting within its movement.

Fermion; imagine this in motion, the peaks bouncing up, then down.

But the Boson can nest other Bosons within its state.

"Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body,
but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming, "Wow! What a Ride!"

We do not Die, We Awaken to the Dream that We Lived.
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ElectroStatic Field Charge
--------------------- Different Dimensions
ElectoMagnetic Field Charge

CHARGE = Source of Energy

ES Field + EM Field = singular effect of vortical motion because of the Source of Energy: Charge.

I said, "Dormant ElectroMagnetic field", but that was only one of two dormant Cause 'dimensions'. The second is ElectroStatic. Having two Cause Dimensions active, causes a singular effect: Vortical Movement

The Origin of Force (Charge) is the same 'force' but it affects the two Cause Dimensions very differently. This effect is stabilized by a certain shape: the Geometric Sphere.

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In order to manifest fully into the material, both Fields must be at the 1 Spin state to hold the proper geometric sphere shape.

The ElectroStatic Field Cause Dimension manifests into the material as a 1 Spin in the Geometric Sphere shape.

The ElectroMagnetic Field Cause Dimension manifests into the material as a 1/2 Spin. The 1/2 spin only creates a spinning cone shape. In order to attain the geometric sphere shape, it has to have two cones. Also, it must have the correct angle of spin to make a sphere, which is 4pi. This creates the toriod shape (a geometric sphere shape). The wave form is antisymmetric as you can see below. Again, you can see the 1/2 relation.

:wave12:

:asymmetric:

:q1/2spin:

With this, both Causal Field Dimensions are manifesting and in sync with each other. They have achieved stability and are self perpetuating.

Both the ElectroStatic Charge and ElectroMagnetic Charge are a reflection of each other, even though they are two entirely different manifestations. If they did not mirror each other, then an imbalance would occur, and self-perpetuation would either eventually stabilize, or more likely, collapse. Either way, there is deformation in the structure/function/movement of the manifested mass if they do not reflect each other perfectly.

No other Causal Dimensions need to exist to explain material manifestation. Before movement, both ElectroStatic Charge Field and ElectroMagnetic Charge Field are free of gaps. That means that there is no units within them. But, when motion of charge occurs, quanta is formed that is the discrete natural units of existence; Length, Frequency, Mass, Charge, and Spherical Geometry.
Quoting: Swinging on Spirals

I think you need to read perhaps a bit more of Walter russell. there are not two causal field dimensions, there is only ONE CAUSE. magnetism and electric are not the same.
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I think you need to read perhaps a bit more of Walter russell. there are not two causal field dimensions, there is only ONE CAUSE. magnetism and electric are not the same.
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um...I didn't say magnetism and electricity are the same.

Anyway, Secrets of Light by Walter Russell just came in the other week. I've got to get started on it.

Can you tell me what the ONE CAUSE is?

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i kept getting zapped everytime i touched something at the walmart grocery last weekend. coincidence or conspiracy??

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You appear to have a 2 dimensional view of a 3 dimensional space, that is your first mistake.
Secondly, time is an illusion and lunch time doubly so.
However reality, which is to say matter, would likely manifest at the junction of 3 energy fields. Just call that a hunch. Consider your LED monitor a bit more closely.
This crap gets any deeper I'll need my waders.
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You appear to have a 2 dimensional view of a 3 dimensional space, that is your first mistake.
Secondly, time is an illusion and lunch time doubly so.
However reality, which is to say matter, would likely manifest at the junction of 3 energy fields. Just call that a hunch. Consider your LED monitor a bit more closely.
Quoting: Ragnor

No I don't. Just because I posted some graphics to help people grasp the concept, doesn't mean I have a 2-dimensional view of this. In truth, you couldn't be farther from the truth as to my view of this.

But, this is something I am exploring. Strange how some posters here think that when I post something, it is the be-all end-all of what I think on a topic...when I am merely exploring the topic.

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"Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body,
but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming, "Wow! What a Ride!"

We do not Die, We Awaken to the Dream that We Lived.
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"SCIENCE" as we know it is a FRAUD!

This information has been KNOWN and SUPPRESSED.

THIS is only a MINUTE fraction of all the secrets STOLEN from Kemet/ancient Eygpt, hidden by the so-called "elites" and only shared with BLOOD members of various secret society/orders.

The reason SOME of the information is now surfacing is because we are on the cusp of the apocalypse ... which by the way is no scary thing ... "apocalypse" simply means "TO REVEAL".

THATS FACT!
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you might be interested to take a peek at physics described in the cosmology of the 'law of time' (Cosmic History Chronicles, Volume II: Book of the Avatar, Time and Cosmos); it has a lot of similarities with what you're trying to describe, and with the theories of electric/plasma universe, but i can't speak for the details.
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Something is better than nothing, pay attention, it's still free. Lead by example.
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you might be interested to take a peek at physics described in the cosmology of the 'law of time' (Cosmic History Chronicles, Volume II: Book of the Avatar, Time and Cosmos); it has a lot of similarities with what you're trying to describe, and with the theories of electric/plasma universe, but i can't speak for the details.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15782258

I'll Google it and check it out.
Thanks
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but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming, "Wow! What a Ride!"

We do not Die, We Awaken to the Dream that We Lived.
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"SCIENCE" as we know it is a FRAUD!

This information has been KNOWN and SUPPRESSED.

THIS is only a MINUTE fraction of all the secrets STOLEN from Kemet/ancient Eygpt, hidden by the so-called "elites" and only shared with BLOOD members of various secret society/orders.

The reason SOME of the information is now surfacing is because we are on the cusp of the apocalypse ... which by the way is no scary thing ... "apocalypse" simply means "TO REVEAL".

THATS FACT!
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8054325

Yes, the lifting of the veil...
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Heaven and the Spirit World are in the 4th Dimenision

2 .Corinthians 12:2

I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago was caught up to the third heaven. Whether it was in the body or out of the body I do not know--God knows....

Susie

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There is a time for everything, and a season for every activity under the heavens: Ecclesiastes 3:1
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This is in the *Bible*

2 Corinthians 12:4 was caught up to paradise. He heard inexpressible things, things that man is not permitted to tell.

Ephesians 4:10 He who descended is the very one who ascended higher than all the heavens, in order to fill the whole universe.)

1 Thessalonians 4:17 After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever.

Susie

For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.....Matthew 6:21
There is a time for everything, and a season for every activity under the heavens: Ecclesiastes 3:1
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christian, how does this relate to this post? I'm curious, because I believe we are moving towards the merging of spirit and science.

Please don't get too far off track, but I find it fascinating that somehow you are relating to this post. I understand your feeling on religion.
"Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body,
but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming, "Wow! What a Ride!"

We do not Die, We Awaken to the Dream that We Lived.
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This is in the *Bible*

2 Corinthians 12:4 was caught up to paradise. He heard inexpressible things, things that man is not permitted to tell.

Ephesians 4:10 He who descended is the very one who ascended higher than all the heavens, in order to fill the whole universe.)

1 Thessalonians 4:17 After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever.

Quoting: christian

I like this...especially the first one.

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"Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body,
but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming, "Wow! What a Ride!"

We do not Die, We Awaken to the Dream that We Lived.
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