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Notes from an "alternate universe": Meeting in the new Dream reality

 
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Patiently read this and I think you will see many analogs to what is taking place with Chaol. Especially interesting is the correlation of this history to the theme of Chaol (Primal Man / Simon) bridging two worlds for the sake of uniting with his girlfriend (Sophia / Helen).
Very cool. History is cycling. Perhaps though, it will soon become herstory or ourstory.

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hey, its weird you mentions that.
in my travel 3 when seeing from top of that futuristic tower someone inside behind me whispered at my right shoulder "sophia, sophia is wisdom" i guess these were keywords of it/she/he to others to hear, well i heard it at least.
interesting.


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It is the “Great Work” of alchemy that rectifies this division so that “a mysterious chaotic source material called materia prima, containing opposites still incompatible and in the most violent conflict, is gradually guided towards a redeemed state of perfect harmony, the healing 'Philosophers' Stone' or lapis philosophorum….”
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i read you, i have followed for some time this topic.
Have you heard of the term "spinning gold?" very relative to the work of the inner energetic system known as "chakras". There is a premise that in the ascension one brings a kind of "gold" to flow literaly through and in consequence our consciousness expands beyond physicality until reach other dimensions, the transmutation of our inner energy according to them produces the final "philosophical stone", the lab is our vessel and our energetic pipes the assay tubes where that magic inner alchemy happens.

I think even somebody here heard in their dream the word GOLD.
So many theories, all so relative in other or another way but for sure all of them speaks or drive to a new physicality.
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Check out [link to hollywoodinsiders.net]
He covers the truth about alchemy. That it is in fact transformation of the "soul" and has nothing to do with lead, and such..
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Check out [link to hollywoodinsiders.net]
He covers the truth about alchemy. That it is in fact transformation of the "soul" and has nothing to do with lead, and such..
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yes i agreed, i know from time ago and i work part of my spiritual growing with foundation on that. I believe the transformation of our inner energy, alchemy of soul at deep level will steam us very near to our devinity. There is more work that just that of course, balance.
Its a truth? well, maybe just one perspective of many... and it can work for the same nice outcome, transition.

thanks bro
imho you have brought these links more than enough to everybody to catch them so for respect for the op and to make it more interesting why you dont bring some excerpt relatives and we can chew it? :)

have to go now, nice morning and fantastic dreams for all
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Hey guys.

I'd like to throw a curve ball here.

I've been learning alot from Chaol and by exploring every plane of the dream world myself through the last nights.

Everyday the experiences in the dream world are getting stronger and stronger.

Now i do understand why Chaol said previously that when you don't remember events from the dream world it's because you can't interpret them. This makes alot of sense to me now.

When you wake up from your regular everyday dream and remember it, it will seem that the dream world is very similar to the physical world.

This happens because your waking mind has constructed a representation of the experience you perceived in the dream world in a way that it can interpret/remember it in the physical world.

This is just one big illusion. In fact the selection of images that you would call dreams and that you may have printed on your brain after waking up, which look alot like the physical world are just a reflex of your "astral" experience in the dream world, but "tuned" to be consistent with the physical world's properties, therefor making it possible for the waking mind to be able to remember it.

So most of the times when you forget about your "dream" it's because the events that occured are not relevant for the waking mind.

Well guys i have good news. I found out that the experiences in the dream world when you are in deep sleep mode are exactly the same as when you are half awake (being half awake means experiencing/interpreting it with your perception set on both the waking mind and the dream world at the same time).

For now, setting your perception on both worlds at the same time is the key to increase the chance for you to be able to interpret/remember any dream world experience properly with your waking mind.

We are bound to use this method until we are familiar enough with the dream world's concepts for our waking mind to always be alert to dream world's events.

I figured this out because i am now able to remember how the dream world is while being in deep sleep mode, and it is exactly the same as when you are half awake.

I mean the Cities, our Sun, the Lower Planes, you guys, me, Sekhmet,Chaol etc.
Everything is still there in its original "dream" or "astral" form (unlike the memories handled to the brain when you wake up from sleep, which are physically based and handled to your brain) and i am able to control my perception of it to some extent.

I think this is possible because now that we know how the dream world looks like in its true form, our waking mind is more inclined to pay attention to the details of the experience and not only to the memories handled to the brain when we wake up.

I'm quite sure in the coming times this will become easier and easier to control, for ALL of US.

With this being said it is clear that alot of things in there are hard to interpret for now, especially if you'r not aware of what's going on.

For example i've noticed that (like someone else mentioned previously) there are many entities trying to steal energy in the dream world.

This seems to happen regularly when entities are trying to mess with other people's dreams, exploiting the fact that they are not aware enough to fight back.

I've seen some of the techniques they use to do it.
These techniques are used in a way that is very foreign to the waking mind, during your sleep, so you just end up forgetting both the perpetrators and the experience of being "sucked out" by them.
This kind of techniques/dream world events will lead to the fact of you only remembering things that have a direct translation to the waking mind, in that particular case.

I really had to share this information because i feel it's really important for the ones who did not yet fully got there with dream world travelling.

These words are also "packet keys" let loose to further fracture the control systems designed to keep the two worlds apart. For i am also bound to Chaol's will to empower the bridge between the two worlds.

May you all bath in the great glory of our Sun.

Hugz!
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Your post above is interesting. But didn't chaol say you could also access teh dream world while awake. In other words you can go into a deep meditative state and access it, and maybe that way you will remember most of it.
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Ok forget this dream stuff, when are we going to take our physical bodies to the 5th dimension? Will this happen in our lifetime?
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Hey guys.

I'd like to throw a curve ball here.

I've been learning alot from Chaol and by exploring every plane of the dream world myself through the last nights.

Everyday the experiences in the dream world are getting stronger and stronger.

Now i do understand why Chaol said previously that when you don't remember events from the dream world it's because you can't interpret them. This makes alot of sense to me now.

When you wake up from your regular everyday dream and remember it, it will seem that the dream world is very similar to the physical world.

This happens because your waking mind has constructed a representation of the experience you perceived in the dream world in a way that it can interpret/remember it in the physical world.

This is just one big illusion. In fact the selection of images that you would call dreams and that you may have printed on your brain after waking up, which look alot like the physical world are just a reflex of your "astral" experience in the dream world, but "tuned" to be consistent with the physical world's properties, therefor making it possible for the waking mind to be able to remember it.

So most of the times when you forget about your "dream" it's because the events that occured are not relevant for the waking mind.

Well guys i have good news. I found out that the experiences in the dream world when you are in deep sleep mode are exactly the same as when you are half awake (being half awake means experiencing/interpreting it with your perception set on both the waking mind and the dream world at the same time).

For now, setting your perception on both worlds at the same time is the key to increase the chance for you to be able to interpret/remember any dream world experience properly with your waking mind.

We are bound to use this method until we are familiar enough with the dream world's concepts for our waking mind to always be alert to dream world's events.

I figured this out because i am now able to remember how the dream world is while being in deep sleep mode, and it is exactly the same as when you are half awake.

I mean the Cities, our Sun, the Lower Planes, you guys, me, Sekhmet,Chaol etc.
Everything is still there in its original "dream" or "astral" form (unlike the memories handled to the brain when you wake up from sleep, which are physically based and handled to your brain) and i am able to control my perception of it to some extent.

I think this is possible because now that we know how the dream world looks like in its true form, our waking mind is more inclined to pay attention to the details of the experience and not only to the memories handled to the brain when we wake up.

I'm quite sure in the coming times this will become easier and easier to control, for ALL of US.

With this being said it is clear that alot of things in there are hard to interpret for now, especially if you'r not aware of what's going on.

For example i've noticed that (like someone else mentioned previously) there are many entities trying to steal energy in the dream world.

This seems to happen regularly when entities are trying to mess with other people's dreams, exploiting the fact that they are not aware enough to fight back.

I've seen some of the techniques they use to do it.
These techniques are used in a way that is very foreign to the waking mind, during your sleep, so you just end up forgetting both the perpetrators and the experience of being "sucked out" by them.
This kind of techniques/dream world events will lead to the fact of you only remembering things that have a direct translation to the waking mind, in that particular case.

I really had to share this information because i feel it's really important for the ones who did not yet fully got there with dream world travelling.

These words are also "packet keys" let loose to further fracture the control systems designed to keep the two worlds apart. For i am also bound to Chaol's will to empower the bridge between the two worlds.

May you all bath in the great glory of our Sun.

Hugz!
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It is really good hearing of your success! Thanks for taking time to explain how you achieve it.

I have never been one to recall dreams when I wake up(although I know I got fully immersed in it) but I just can't fit the pieces together so I forget it. So this correlates with what you're saying. I assumed all along that the dreamworld is just THAT(a dreamworld: sort of our own entertainment system when we sleep lol), don't worry about if you can't remember. But when I dream, the dreams feel very extremely real so I can't just dismiss it as just entertainment.

I have been using the awake period (just before I fall asleep) to follow the instructions. Last night just before bedtime, I got relaxed and started to visualize the square room with Sekhmet in the middle. I also used a tip from someone else and counted down from 10 to 1 as I got nearer. At this point, I see just Sekhmet and I put a swarovski jewelry around her neck (as a gift since she's so elegant). It is really sparkly and she loves it. (Did anyone notice??) I even gave her a hug!
Then I notice there are quite a few people around and everyone is talking but I can't make out what is being said. I notice there is someone walking across the room holding a table(?) above their head. I wondered what that was about!
I walked around chit chatting with people as they came in view but don't recall what was exchanged. I DID look around for Chaol and I see him sitting by himself but surrounded by quite a lot of people too. He looks really relaxed and in deep thought so I let him be and look around some more.
I fell in deep sleep within that and I can't remember what happened next.

Will keep trying :)
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Your post above is interesting. But didn't chaol say you could also access teh dream world while awake. In other words you can go into a deep meditative state and access it, and maybe that way you will remember most of it.
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That was exactly what i was saying friend.

I was trying to help the ones that are still struggling to connect because they'r trying while being already in deep sleep mode.

The rest was trying to explain WHY it's not possible to remember many of the experiences while in deep sleep mode and why you can always remember it while 'half sleep' which is the same state that you call 'meditative state'.

Hugz and thanks for feedback.
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I am Skunk, nice to meet you.

[snips]

After letting my perspective drift longer in this world
-A fire, at least one fire, like a campfire. There is chanting, like native american chanting "Heyah heyah heyah heyah" kind of chanting, with a drum beat of some sort
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Hi Skunk!

Perhaps you save seen this? Someone mentioned the tribe and bonfire... :-)

the main thing i did last night in the room with sekhmet was bring back shamans and native tribe dancers from alaska/canada and also met some amazonians. I brought them back to the room with sekhmet and they played their drums and danced their dance. Besides this I also tried bringing up Ron Paul, which wasn't as strong as the dancers however. there was a tiny bonfire too, idk if anyone else caught that.
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 Quoting: Ambra 18166455


that was me! i posted both those.
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Your post above is interesting. But didn't chaol say you could also access teh dream world while awake. In other words you can go into a deep meditative state and access it, and maybe that way you will remember most of it.
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Well I actually went straight into a dream state from these visualizations, it's difficult to draw the line, for i wasn't meditating but falling asleep, sometiems after waking up in the middle of the night.
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one only talks about what is not

everything else just is

and it is what it is

reflections and interpretations, its love complexified

spiral from around it as the things that are

and then the illusion is talked about and more illusions spring from it

all to remember the love they sprung from
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Still here :)

Will post more soon.

See you in X
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Still here :)

Will post more soon.

See you in X
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where else would you be?
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nice catch!
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[snips]
Well guys i have good news. I found out that the experiences in the dream world when you are in deep sleep mode are exactly the same as when you are half awake (being half awake means experiencing/interpreting it with your perception set on both the waking mind and the dream world at the same time).

For now, setting your perception on both worlds at the same time is the key to increase the chance for you to be able to interpret/remember any dream world experience properly with your waking mind.
[snips]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1466619


Great post, and thank you for the info! I can confirm that I had the most success while in deep relaxation/half sleep mode. I could recall the experiences clearly.

The last couple of nights I tried the deep sleep mode only, and no recall (other than the pre-sleep visualization of the room, teleportation experience while in half sleep, and a knowing that I had been busy in the room during sleep).

I meant to try the deep sleep only, wondering if the half sleep could be influenced by the waking mind, kind of "willing" things into being and making them up. Maybe not, if the relaxation is deep enough.

I will now attempt the half sleep mode only for the next couple of days, and see what happens.

In any event, since starting this, I am operating with a feeling of being in both worlds all the time. It's not that I have flashes of the other world while awake (yet), but it's a clear feeling that part of me is there.
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that was me! i posted both those.
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Ooops! Silly me... :)
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Still here :)

Will post more soon.

See you in X
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Even if you just posted a "dot" or other random character, it's so nice to see you on the thread! :)

Will try to access X in half sleep mode in a couple of hours...
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"True unity is imperceptible.
There is nothing relative about it.
What relation is there when all things embrace.
What fear is there when love is understood.

How naked truth is.
So vulnerable nothing touches it.
So loving nothing hates it.
How clothed existence is.

What fears one when fears are loved.
What fears one when nothing resists.
The fear of one creates the separations,
And makes illusions into a reality."

-Chaol


I was just looking over your other threads and came across this post. I was wondering if you could talk more of this. I want to live in a world where it is "so loving nothing hates". Duality ceases to exist. Resistance to everything morphs into love of one thing which is no thing in particular.
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Hello guys.

Since some of you are already pretty comfortable with at least going to Sekhmet's room and/or communicating with other friendly people in the dream world, i'd like to propose a simple exercise for those who feel somewhat confident and would like to learn more about the dream world.

Of course i'd be very interested in reading your experiences (whenever you try it, after you feel ready for it), about the exercise, since it will also help me learn alot if you post your feedback on it.

So for the exercise: what do i mean with us learning more ?

Well for starters I found out that wherever point Sekhmet is, the tree where Chaol always stays and our Sun's surface (meaning the places we've been visiting more often this far) are part of the Higher Realms of the dream world where everything is most likely friendly to you.

Learning more then means visiting other places in the dream world. These are the places where you will find very few constructions or friendly people, and alot more of geometrical open space (which you can fast travel through) and also some unfriendly beings.

For this I have prepared a special exercise and here come the steps:

1 - Connect yourself to the dream world using whatever portal you like. It can be Sekhmet or any other you want.

2 - Travel to our Sun to empower yourself, until you can feel its massive energy filling you.

3 - Then the new stuff. Whenever you are comfortable in our Sun you will visualize the pyramid with the All Seeing Eye.
The same that is in your dollar bill:

[link to www.flickr.com]

You should visualize it at a somewhat distant point and in a moderate size, like if you were watching the Moon from the Earth.

4 - The last step will be trying to cover the All Seeing Eye (with the purpose of un-allowing it to see) by using your right hand horizontally (somewhat similar to what you would do to cover the Sun when it strikes your eyes while driving).


5 (Optional) - If at any time you become scared or are not enjoying the experience you should immediatly return to our Sun. In our Sun you will always be safe.

I'd love to hear the results from you guys.

I stress that posting the results if you try the experience is very important for us because by hearing your experiences you will also help me learn more and you will also learn more.

Hugz.
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Hello guys.

Since some of you are already pretty comfortable with at least going to Sekhmet's room and/or communicating with other friendly people in the dream world, i'd like to propose a simple exercise for those who feel somewhat confident and would like to learn more about the dream world.

Of course i'd be very interested in reading your experiences (whenever you try it, after you feel ready for it), about the exercise, since it will also help me learn alot if you post your feedback on it.

So for the exercise: what do i mean with us learning more ?

Well for starters I found out that wherever point Sekhmet is, the tree where Chaol always stays and our Sun's surface (meaning the places we've been visiting more often this far) are part of the Higher Realms of the dream world where everything is most likely friendly to you.

Learning more then means visiting other places in the dream world. These are the places where you will find very few constructions or friendly people, and alot more of geometrical open space (which you can fast travel through) and also some unfriendly beings.

For this I have prepared a special exercise and here come the steps:

1 - Connect yourself to the dream world using whatever portal you like. It can be Sekhmet or any other you want.

2 - Travel to our Sun to empower yourself, until you can feel its massive energy filling you.

3 - Then the new stuff. Whenever you are comfortable in our Sun you will visualize the pyramid with the All Seeing Eye.
The same that is in your dollar bill:

[link to www.flickr.com]

You should visualize it at a somewhat distant point and in a moderate size, like if you were watching the Moon from the Earth.

4 - The last step will be trying to cover the All Seeing Eye (with the purpose of un-allowing it to see) by using your right hand horizontally (somewhat similar to what you would do to cover the Sun when it strikes your eyes while driving).


5 (Optional) - If at any time you become scared or are not enjoying the experience you should immediatly return to our Sun. In our Sun you will always be safe.

I'd love to hear the results from you guys.

I stress that posting the results if you try the experience is very important for us because by hearing your experiences you will also help me learn more and you will also learn more.

Hugz.
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what will we learn and what will you learn and why use the symbol on the us dollar?
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I meant to try the deep sleep only, wondering if the half sleep could be influenced by the waking mind, kind of

"willing" things into being and making them up. Maybe not, if the relaxation is deep enough.

 Quoting: Ambra 18166455


This is indeed very true, friend.

Your perception really seems to "will" things into being all the time in the dream world.
But then isn't that why it is called the dream world ?

Isn't that what you are doing when you visualize Sekhmet or any symbol in the first place ?

I'd like to leave a note if it helps about the three perspective states that i found to be possible:

1 - Physical Perspective only

- You should use it only when you are performing specific physical world tasks that makes it uncomfortable for you to visualize dream content.

2 - Half Awake mode

- You should use it when you want to visualize dream content at any time you want.

- In half awake mode your waking mind is still active, but you are shifting your perception to the dream world
for let's say like 95% of your total perspective.
This is basically allowing the dream world to overwhelm your perspective while you have your waking mind online.

- You intentionally maintain your waking mind active and induce dream world experiences in this mode to allow
your waking mind to be able to recognize, interpret and remember dream patterns.

- It's great if your waking mind can recognize dream patterns because it allows us to visualize dream content properly while in deep sleep mode.
Hopefully we can start realizing what dream patterns have actually occured during our deep sleep mode and make something out of the mess our waking mind is creating when we wake up.

3 - Deep Sleep mode

- You should use it when your physical body needs rest.

- It has been superimposed upon physical bodies that by default they don't quite understand what is really going on in the dream world while they are in deep sleep mode.

- By action of the complex control systems of the biological sleep world enough deception is maintained so that people accept everything as it is in the dream world during biological sleep (pretty much like in the physical world).
It is still your perception that is creating "reality" in this mode, but you are not under control of it.
What you are perceiving is being offered to you and you are accepting it.
It's exactly like being brainwashed.

- By being able to recognize dream patterns we can be more aware of what is happening in the dream world while during biological sleep.
So if for example you happen to sense a dream pattern that you don't like, that may draw attention to your waking mind, if it happens to know that pattern.

- I should note that the control systems seem to be designed to keep you from actually understanding the dream world properly in deep sleep mode rather than hiding it from you.
In fact it's still there all the time and all the same, but by action of the waking mind and of the rules applied to biological sleep you are then deceived into thinking the dream world experience was something very different from what it actually was.

Hugz.
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[snips]
For this I have prepared a special exercise
[snips]
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At the moment, I am not into mixing exercises, when we are still trying to master Chaol's instructions. Shouldn't we stay focused on that, instead?
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what will we learn and what will you learn and why use the symbol on the us dollar?
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You will learn the same a child would learn when it starts to go out more without its parents,in case you've not explored beyond those spots i mentioned.

I will learn about your experiences and how they correlate with my own.

The purpose of the experience using the All Seeing Eye is for us to understand more the complexity of the dream world.

Hopefully we will see that its constructions are not random, and that a great number of entities actually work there to maintain things in order, or just for their own reasons.

Also to experience the lower realms, if it's possible...I found the lower realms very interesting, because it is where we will stay for the most of our time during deep sleep mode...

Hugz.
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[snips]
I'd like to leave a note if it helps about the three perspective states that i found to be possible:
[snips]
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That's very interesting. Thank you, I'll ponder on it.

I saw the waking mind in half sleep mode as a possible interference factor. By willing things into being, I meant that one may not let the dream evolve naturally.
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[snips]
For this I have prepared a special exercise
[snips]
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At the moment, I am not into mixing exercises, when we are still trying to master Chaol's instructions. Shouldn't we stay focused on that, instead?
 Quoting: Ambra 18166455


I never said that everyone should be following my instructions, friend. Only do it if you feel like it.

I think we should focus on what feels important to each one of us.

Chaol's instructions actually were mastered as soon as we communicated with each other in the dream world.

Hugz.
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I'd like to leave a note if it helps about the three perspective states that i found to be possible:
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That's very interesting. Thank you, I'll ponder on it.

I saw the waking mind in half sleep mode as a possible interference factor. By willing things into being, I meant that one may not let the dream evolve naturally.
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Experiencing the dream world means that your dream doesn't evolve naturally, instead it is bound to your will.

Think of it more of like a world (with different rules than those of the physical world, but still a world) than a predefined movie.

This is so because reality is what you perceive, and because in the dream world it is very easy to make things relative to your perception.

Hugz.
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Re: Notes from an "alternate universe": Meeting in the new Dream reality
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I'd like to leave a note if it helps about the three perspective states that i found to be possible:
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 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1466619


That's very interesting. Thank you, I'll ponder on it.

I saw the waking mind in half sleep mode as a possible interference factor. By willing things into being, I meant that one may not let the dream evolve naturally.
 Quoting: Ambra 18166455


Experiencing the dream world means that your dream doesn't evolve naturally, instead it is bound to your will.

Think of it more of like a world (with different rules than those of the physical world, but still a world) than a predefined movie.

This is so because reality is what you perceive, and because in the dream world it is very easy to make things relative to your perception.

Hugz.
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It's all making sense. The most important thing to remember is that there is only one perspective. And we only perceive that which is most relative. It feels me with awe when I actually contemplate this concept. I look at life in a completely different way when I remember this and ponder on it. The thought that there is no time, just one moment with so many different representations and perceiving only that which is relative. If I could remember this every single second of the day.

I will try out your new exercise. I don't really know anything about the all seeing eye but then again I didn't know much anything Sekhmet before this. It is helpful for those of us who want to become better dreamers. It makes sleeping even more irresistible. I love my sleep, I'm sure we all do.

Hope we can communicate through dreams effectively enough with enough practice.
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It's all making sense. The most important thing to remember is that there is only one perspective. And we only perceive that which is most relative. It feels me with awe when I actually contemplate this concept. I look at life in a completely different way when I remember this and ponder on it. The thought that there is no time, just one moment with so many different representations and perceiving only that which is relative. If I could remember this every single second of the day.

I will try out your new exercise. I don't really know anything about the all seeing eye but then again I didn't know much anything Sekhmet before this. It is helpful for those of us who want to become better dreamers. It makes sleeping even more irresistible. I love my sleep, I'm sure we all do.

Hope we can communicate through dreams effectively enough with enough practice.
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Thanks for trying it out.

Of course we are all going to be there with you anyways and always.

Good luck in your travels and bring us the good news of what you uncovered.

Hugz.
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It's all making sense. The most important thing to remember is that there is only one perspective. And we only perceive that which is most relative. It feels me with awe when I actually contemplate this concept. I look at life in a completely different way when I remember this and ponder on it. The thought that there is no time, just one moment with so many different representations and perceiving only that which is relative. If I could remember this every single second of the day.

I will try out your new exercise. I don't really know anything about the all seeing eye but then again I didn't know much anything Sekhmet before this. It is helpful for those of us who want to become better dreamers. It makes sleeping even more irresistible. I love my sleep, I'm sure we all do.

Hope we can communicate through dreams effectively enough with enough practice.
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Thanks for trying it out.

Of course we are all going to be there with you anyways and always.

Good luck in your travels and bring us the good news of what you uncovered.

Hugz.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1466619


Cool experience, might be de-railing Chaol's thread a bit but he'll probably understand.

The time I went to the sun with (my perceived) Chaol he had told me that the energy absorbed from the sun was for me, all of us. So when I went to the Sun in your experiment it was more or less the same thing, but I was there alone (as far as I could tell). I witnessed the all seeing eye, put my hand up to block it's sight and I felt as if my own eyes were covered. Really fun and interesting.

as for your "I'd like to leave a note if it helps about the three perspective states that i found to be possible:" Wouldn't you think it would also be all shades in-between?
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Re: Notes from an "alternate universe": Meeting in the new Dream reality
2 - Half Awake mode

- You should use it when you want to visualize dream content at any time you want.

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i found this method pretty similar to the meditation state or even the feeling when one is going somehow "astral".
The eyelids closed but they are as transparent and often what we see is not our room lol

some other times just after deep relaxation the visualization comes fast and easy too, we forget even we were meditating, for a while we are absorbed fully in the other perspective.

Intention is powerful, true intention
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what will we learn and what will you learn and why use the symbol on the us dollar?
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You will learn the same a child would learn when it starts to go out more without its parents,in case you've not explored beyond those spots i mentioned.

I will learn about your experiences and how they correlate with my own.

The purpose of the experience using the All Seeing Eye is for us to understand more the complexity of the dream world.

Hopefully we will see that its constructions are not random, and that a great number of entities actually work there to maintain things in order, or just for their own reasons.

Also to experience the lower realms, if it's possible...I found the lower realms very interesting, because it is where we will stay for the most of our time during deep sleep mode...

Hugz.
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Not accurate imo, maybe you are in the low realms when you go to sleep and even that is just a perception because doesnt exist per se... what exist there is a perspective full of our human basic instints, therefore fears. That layer projects the heaviness of our 3d "existence". The place where people create or re-create their experiences that they carry from this physicality imbued with meanings often not very nice or that provoke shame and anxiety to the dreamer.
Thats the place where people create their particular "nightmares" or uncomfy dreams.
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