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Notes from an "alternate universe": Meeting in the new Dream reality

 
SethB

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I have not made another attempt yet, but it feels like i made a huge step on my path, compared to the steps i made earlier.

Right now i feel that i am experiencing some kind of merge already and i just could not phrase it. I try to phrase what i recognize. The hole experience feels important to me...

May was the month when it got extrem. I was set on medication that hit my physical Body in a way i never could have expected, no-one warned me, and the doctors that heard my descriptions seemed completely puzzled, they keep sending me to the next specialists, which is puzzled... i was on that medication for a year already, i expected side effects but nothing like that.

From one day to another my "natural rhythym" was away. My Body and Mind were tired like hell, but sleep almost impossible. I had to stay awake for at least 36 hours to be able to sleep for 2-6 hours, just to wake up and feel like i haven't slept. The way of thinking changed radical, at the beginning i did not realize that i was speaking what i thought before i even knew the thought itself, everything i said was complete, honest and exactly what i felt was "right" from my actual position. several people got hurt quite deeply through this, after i realized what was going on i started avoiding people that would not be able to understand.
I assume that the current changes influence me and are the reason for the heavy side effects i am experiencing.
magnetic fields, or something, i do not know much about the topic cause i feel that i can't process the questions that would come up right now. My minds already constantly "overloaded". The sleeping got a bit better, but is still "wrong".
I'm not yet finished processing all the input.
There's one friend, not my boyfriend (i use BF as short expression for boyfriend), but the first person i consider as best friend. That person seems to have a talent to decipher the symbols others use while trying to explain something. A thought that "normals" would call weird will be understood by him, and it seems easy for him, natural.
Eventually , he will be joining this exercise in the future.

he had an explanation for the "cat in the car"-dream paradoxon. My cat can't be in the car, cause she only leaves the appartment if we take her to the vet.
She appeared as an Anchor that could make me aware that i am dreaming, allowing to take control of the dream= that would make the dream lucid. And i realized that she is an anchor for me on several dimensions , and that she was one of my anchors all the time.

I found it very helpful to talk to this friend, he gave some hints i needed to answer and thereby process open questions. He reassured me that there was and is logic behind my new thinking.

If i try to summarize the difference between my old and new thinking: I started thinking sentences, in german. Now i FEEL or KNOW. The Feeling or Knowledge can be vague. Maybe i am beginning to perceive and communicate in symbols.
I wonder if anyone knows what i mean.
 Quoting: Kalera


Hey Kalera,
I also went through an experience in which i was barely sleeping and I was actually hallucinating. This might have been dream representation overlaying waking brain physicallity. Anyways, it was solved by simply going to bed at a fixed time and using a sleep aid . I doubt any other medication is needed.
"There are known knowns. These are things we know that we know. There are known unknowns. That is to say, there are things that we know we don't know. But there are also unknown unknowns. There are things we don't know we don't know."
- Donald Rumsfeld
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Tonight we can try again with the same visualization (Sekhmet in the center of a room).

It may help you to visualize if the room is a place that you are familiar with, or know very well.

The more we practice the easier it will be.

The more we practice the more we remember.
 Quoting: Chaol


That's good, it may really help with a familiar room.

I had a hard time with the large square room, couldn't make it stable. Especially, it just wouldn't stay square... my room preferred to be rectangular for some odd reason.

Report for second night try:

I decided to attempt only the night sleep sessions, until I succed. The deep relaxation ones may be tainted by the waking mind.

I went to bed, determined to enter the room, with no unique action prepared. I thought in case I would prepare it on the fly, or just be an observer for the night.

Again, last night I could barely visualize the room with the statue of Sekhmet, that I fell asleep right away... No dreams that I can recall, or any details. But I *know* I was there, woke up with this feeling that I was very busy all night in the room.

I overslept tremendously too, and if it wasn't for the cat waking me up, I may still be sleeping!

So, in spite of not recalling a darn thing, I feel that some progress has been made. I am trying to get flashes in the hopes or remembering even a tiny shred of the experience.

I will try again tonight, with a familiar room, and I will prepare a unique action beforehand, which may help in remembering the dream.
 Quoting: Ambra 17917733


Ill try this tonight ....
"There are known knowns. These are things we know that we know. There are known unknowns. That is to say, there are things that we know we don't know. But there are also unknown unknowns. There are things we don't know we don't know."
- Donald Rumsfeld
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To all who have wondered or asked questions here, we (will) connect in the dream world.

See you there :)
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good one :)
"There are known knowns. These are things we know that we know. There are known unknowns. That is to say, there are things that we know we don't know. But there are also unknown unknowns. There are things we don't know we don't know."
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Hey, you should check this out, if you have trouble believing.

[link to www.ted.com]

@Chaol or whomever have succeeded with the dream. I am having a hard time with this, what do you recommend? By problem is, that I keep expecting that the statue will somehow appear before me. I have no problem with imagining the statue, nor imagining the statue having a blue collar, so to speak. But it is not vivid as such, it is as imagining is. And therefore I am having a hard time putting my right hand on her left shoulder. I've tried doing it physically and mentally, nothing happens. I tried imagining what is said to supposedly happen. But that becomes as real as the imagining of the statue, not very real at all :)

Hope it makes sense, and you have some tips.
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I did watch that video a while back, and now I don't remember the content clearly. Thanks! I'll watch it again.

In my experience, imagination does it. Get into it, visualize the sequence, and eventually, when you reach the place, it becomes more vivid.

At times, I have to restart again, focusing more and more on her details, until the waking mind is tired of analyzing if I did it right, and the "plot" evolves on its own, pathway, scenery, interaction, and so on.

As you visualize, you can try to evoke sensations. Like when you put your hand on her shoulder, try to "feel" the temperature of the stone, the solidity of ther shoulder, etc.

Hope this helps.
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That is a good idea, thank you. I will try! I guess you will know if I succeed ;)
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No offense to the believers on here but do you people actually think that you are meeting this Chaol person in your dreams?
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No offense to the believers on here but do you people actually think that you are meeting this Chaol person in your dreams?
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The idea is to connect with others, not to meet me.

Meeting me (the 12% or so of posters and non-posters here that seem to have succeeded) is incidental. Most of it is imaginary (a connection, but one more of oneself than a "dynamic" connection) but we are not looking for a complete success.

Just one connection with an other person here would have been profound.

We have (had) a few. Even though most connections would be considered failures the event itself was an astounding success. More than is currently realized. It is the beginning of a new humanity. Baby steps, as is said.

Of course there's no way to prove this (nor do I wish to).

However, I will begin a new thread that will announce the first attempt at connecting the dream world and the waking world, en mass, on July 18.

A "big ass UFO" (as we tend to call these less physically relative values) right here in your physical world, witnessed by many. That, incidentally, is the proof that many (most) seek. It also happens to be a nice way to show yourself that you're not dreaming. An exercise of your new power.

"Fu$@ it! We'll do it live!"
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Hi all. Since I started to follow Chaol's keys, i have been remembering my dreams. For the last few years I barely remember my dreams. Now is everyday.
Chaol said it is baby steps progress, and I can feel we are doing just that. My visualizations are becoming more vivid, everytime I focus there, the big hall, I do imagine the quality of walls, windows, floor, lighting, and the outside. I even did put a big ass beatiful carpet in the middle of the place (hope someone can confirm color and chape and number of windows), and just in the middle is sekhme statue. When I walk, I try to feel the difference between floor and carpet. And I can really feel it. Then, I try to look at Sekhmet in different angles, doing circles around her, changing the perspective of the room as I walk. I even try to gain more focus, claping at the same time and looking at my hands. Last night tryed to meet people that I know is there, but they look as ghosts. Transparent. I tryed to talk to chaol. Well I end up talking to a guy, very similar to Gandalf, "the white". LOL. Told me to keep doing it. At the same time you know you are half there, half here. I know It is just visualizing. But I know, in due time, it will become vivid. That is, I feel a strong pressure in my third eye. And get exausted pretty quick. Now I have had a couple of astral projection experiences in my life and I can confirm as of now, that this is a different approach. Is more controlled, less random, less vivid. You can try in deep relaxation mode, even a few times per day. Baby steps.
Lately, I have been experiencing a kind of a camera lense focus in my mind. But instead of seeing more clearer, it transform into a black vortex, to the left, that becomes wider as you try to focus. that's the place where I feel, it all become inmersive. Made sense?
Please confirm.

Regards!!
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No offense to the believers on here but do you people actually think that you are meeting this Chaol person in your dreams?
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The idea is to connect with others, not to meet me.

Meeting me (the 12% or so of posters and non-posters here that seem to have succeeded) is incidental. Most of it is imaginary (a connection, but one more of oneself than a "dynamic" connection) but we are not looking for a complete success.

Just one connection with an other person here would have been profound.

We have (had) a few. Even though most connections would be considered failures the event itself was an astounding success. More than is currently realized. It is the beginning of a new humanity. Baby steps, as is said.

Of course there's no way to prove this (nor do I wish to).

However, I will begin a new thread that will announce the first attempt at connecting the dream world and the waking world, en mass, on July 18.

A "big ass UFO" (as we tend to call these less physically relative values) right here in your physical world, witnessed by many. That, incidentally, is the proof that many (most) seek. It also happens to be a nice way to show yourself that you're not dreaming. An exercise of your new power.

"Fu$@ it! We'll do it live!"

 Quoting: Chaol

@Chaol
It would be very helpful to me if you can tell me if I had any success. Because I feel I didn't, and I fell asleep every single time I tried. Thanks.
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No offense to the believers on here but do you people actually think that you are meeting this Chaol person in your dreams?
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The idea is to connect with others, not to meet me.

Meeting me (the 12% or so of posters and non-posters here that seem to have succeeded) is incidental. Most of it is imaginary (a connection, but one more of oneself than a "dynamic" connection) but we are not looking for a complete success.

Just one connection with an other person here would have been profound.

We have (had) a few. Even though most connections would be considered failures the event itself was an astounding success. More than is currently realized. It is the beginning of a new humanity. Baby steps, as is said.

Of course there's no way to prove this (nor do I wish to).

However, I will begin a new thread that will announce the first attempt at connecting the dream world and the waking world, en mass, on July 18.

A "big ass UFO" (as we tend to call these less physically relative values) right here in your physical world, witnessed by many. That, incidentally, is the proof that many (most) seek. It also happens to be a nice way to show yourself that you're not dreaming. An exercise of your new power.

"Fu$@ it! We'll do it live!"

 Quoting: Chaol



So your saying that we are going to see a big UFO now? or are you saying that those in the dream world will only see it? In other words say that 50 people are standing outside together at say a shopping mall. How many of those 50 people will be able to see the UFO? Pls explain!!!
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No offense to the believers on here but do you people actually think that you are meeting this Chaol person in your dreams?
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The idea is to connect with others, not to meet me.

Meeting me (the 12% or so of posters and non-posters here that seem to have succeeded) is incidental. Most of it is imaginary (a connection, but one more of oneself than a "dynamic" connection) but we are not looking for a complete success.

Just one connection with an other person here would have been profound.

We have (had) a few. Even though most connections would be considered failures the event itself was an astounding success. More than is currently realized. It is the beginning of a new humanity. Baby steps, as is said.

Of course there's no way to prove this (nor do I wish to).

However, I will begin a new thread that will announce the first attempt at connecting the dream world and the waking world, en mass, on July 18.

A "big ass UFO" (as we tend to call these less physically relative values) right here in your physical world, witnessed by many. That, incidentally, is the proof that many (most) seek. It also happens to be a nice way to show yourself that you're not dreaming. An exercise of your new power.

"Fu$@ it! We'll do it live!"

 Quoting: Chaol



So your saying that we are going to see a big UFO now? or are you saying that those in the dream world will only see it? In other words say that 50 people are standing outside together at say a shopping mall. How many of those 50 people will be able to see the UFO? Pls explain!!!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18339432


he means something unusual , "less physically relative values." UFOs are projections of the dream world concept of transportation or whatever ... it should be visible to many hopefully in the physical world! cant wait :)
"There are known knowns. These are things we know that we know. There are known unknowns. That is to say, there are things that we know we don't know. But there are also unknown unknowns. There are things we don't know we don't know."
- Donald Rumsfeld
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And I'm sure this big ass UFO is going to show up in England during the Olypmics. Just as expected. And then there will be a couple of people trying to lead the way who call themselves the children of Quetzalcoatl. Am I dong this right?
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No offense to the believers on here but do you people actually think that you are meeting this Chaol person in your dreams?
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The idea is to connect with others, not to meet me.

Meeting me (the 12% or so of posters and non-posters here that seem to have succeeded) is incidental. Most of it is imaginary (a connection, but one more of oneself than a "dynamic" connection) but we are not looking for a complete success.

Just one connection with an other person here would have been profound.

We have (had) a few. Even though most connections would be considered failures the event itself was an astounding success. More than is currently realized. It is the beginning of a new humanity. Baby steps, as is said.

Of course there's no way to prove this (nor do I wish to).

However, I will begin a new thread that will announce the first attempt at connecting the dream world and the waking world, en mass, on July 18.

A "big ass UFO" (as we tend to call these less physically relative values) right here in your physical world, witnessed by many. That, incidentally, is the proof that many (most) seek. It also happens to be a nice way to show yourself that you're not dreaming. An exercise of your new power.

"Fu$@ it! We'll do it live!"

 Quoting: Chaol



So your saying that we are going to see a big UFO now? or are you saying that those in the dream world will only see it? In other words say that 50 people are standing outside together at say a shopping mall. How many of those 50 people will be able to see the UFO? Pls explain!!!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18339432


he means something unusual , "less physically relative values." UFOs are projections of the dream world concept of transportation or whatever ... it should be visible to many hopefully in the physical world! cant wait :)
 Quoting: SethB



Yea but unfortunately something happens all the time. If he says big UFO event on July 18th then people will be scanning the net for a reported UFO sighting and then Chaol will claim that he was right. same thing if he says something will happen on July 15th, etc....... One thing I have learned from this site is that people will predict something and if they can find something remotely possible to what was predicted they will hail the OP. If he says that a UFO will be spotted by atleast 20% of the worlds population then that may be a different story.
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The idea is to connect with others, not to meet me.

Meeting me (the 12% or so of posters and non-posters here that seem to have succeeded) is incidental. Most of it is imaginary (a connection, but one more of oneself than a "dynamic" connection) but we are not looking for a complete success.

Just one connection with an other person here would have been profound.

We have (had) a few. Even though most connections would be considered failures the event itself was an astounding success. More than is currently realized. It is the beginning of a new humanity. Baby steps, as is said.

Of course there's no way to prove this (nor do I wish to).

However, I will begin a new thread that will announce the first attempt at connecting the dream world and the waking world, en mass, on July 18.

A "big ass UFO" (as we tend to call these less physically relative values) right here in your physical world, witnessed by many. That, incidentally, is the proof that many (most) seek. It also happens to be a nice way to show yourself that you're not dreaming. An exercise of your new power.

"Fu$@ it! We'll do it live!"

 Quoting: Chaol



So your saying that we are going to see a big UFO now? or are you saying that those in the dream world will only see it? In other words say that 50 people are standing outside together at say a shopping mall. How many of those 50 people will be able to see the UFO? Pls explain!!!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18339432


he means something unusual , "less physically relative values." UFOs are projections of the dream world concept of transportation or whatever ... it should be visible to many hopefully in the physical world! cant wait :)
 Quoting: SethB



Yea but unfortunately something happens all the time. If he says big UFO event on July 18th then people will be scanning the net for a reported UFO sighting and then Chaol will claim that he was right. same thing if he says something will happen on July 15th, etc....... One thing I have learned from this site is that people will predict something and if they can find something remotely possible to what was predicted they will hail the OP. If he says that a UFO will be spotted by atleast 20% of the worlds population then that may be a different story.
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You have a good point but are absolutely clueless. 20% of the world's population would mean that every Chinese citizen would have to see this thing firsthand. Outside of things like the sky, the sun, the moon, the stars or the ground, there has never been anything that 1.4 Billion people have all witnessed firsthand at the same time.
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So your saying that we are going to see a big UFO now? or are you saying that those in the dream world will only see it? In other words say that 50 people are standing outside together at say a shopping mall. How many of those 50 people will be able to see the UFO? Pls explain!!!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18339432


he means something unusual , "less physically relative values." UFOs are projections of the dream world concept of transportation or whatever ... it should be visible to many hopefully in the physical world! cant wait :)
 Quoting: SethB



Yea but unfortunately something happens all the time. If he says big UFO event on July 18th then people will be scanning the net for a reported UFO sighting and then Chaol will claim that he was right. same thing if he says something will happen on July 15th, etc....... One thing I have learned from this site is that people will predict something and if they can find something remotely possible to what was predicted they will hail the OP. If he says that a UFO will be spotted by atleast 20% of the worlds population then that may be a different story.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18339432


You have a good point but are absolutely clueless. 20% of the world's population would mean that every Chinese citizen would have to see this thing firsthand. Outside of things like the sky, the sun, the moon, the stars or the ground, there has never been anything that 1.4 Billion people have all witnessed firsthand at the same time.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1288466


To put it in perspective let's consider 9/11. New York City has 8 million residents. Of the total population lets say 50% actually saw the incident (although its probably a lot lower number - maybe even less than 1% in the case of the first strike). So 4 million people saw 9/11 firsthand, that represent 0.05% of the world's population. In other words, I take what I said back, you are so clueless that your point is no longer even a good one.
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The idea is to connect with others, not to meet me.

Meeting me (the 12% or so of posters and non-posters here that seem to have succeeded) is incidental. Most of it is imaginary (a connection, but one more of oneself than a "dynamic" connection) but we are not looking for a complete success.

Just one connection with an other person here would have been profound.

We have (had) a few. Even though most connections would be considered failures the event itself was an astounding success. More than is currently realized. It is the beginning of a new humanity. Baby steps, as is said.

Of course there's no way to prove this (nor do I wish to).

However, I will begin a new thread that will announce the first attempt at connecting the dream world and the waking world, en mass, on July 18.

A "big ass UFO" (as we tend to call these less physically relative values) right here in your physical world, witnessed by many. That, incidentally, is the proof that many (most) seek. It also happens to be a nice way to show yourself that you're not dreaming. An exercise of your new power.

"Fu$@ it! We'll do it live!"

 Quoting: Chaol


Chaol, would it be possible to have a short description of the successful connections, or some indication about them?

Especially since you said that most of meeting you is imaginary (not dynamic). It would be helpful to know more about the successes. Needless to say, I'd love to know the nature of my perceived dialogue and connection with you and the others, as a reference for future attempts.

Usually, when one experiences something in a successful way, knows the difference and there is no need for confirmation, but this is all so new and uncharted territory, that it's hard to pin down things completely without a frame of reference.

Looking forward to the "big ass UFO" experiment!
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moi aussi, let it be a surprise. i think chaols doing great. looking forward to trying to meet in the room this night and experimenting with dreams....
"There are known knowns. These are things we know that we know. There are known unknowns. That is to say, there are things that we know we don't know. But there are also unknown unknowns. There are things we don't know we don't know."
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Well, According to Paris Tosen we have entered 2016 cause of our spiritual awaking so have you see any improvements?
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moi aussi, let it be a surprise. i think chaols doing great. looking forward to trying to meet in the room this night and experimenting with dreams....
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Cool, it's party time in the dream world!

I will start in a few, really late here. Was planning on half sleep access. If I doze off in deep sleep mode right away, I hope to remember the dream. This is still a challenge for me.
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Happy Solstice Everybody.....oh wait, that was yesterday.

Time flies.



From: "Mark"

Dear All,
Our next healing circle will be Sunday, June 24, at 11 Pacific, 12
Mountain, 1 Central, 2 Eastern and 8pm South Africa time.
The telephone number will be 605-475-5950 and the access code 25852.
Thank you to those who joined us in April and May.
This is one person's experience of one of our older circles:
"I just wanted to thank you, again, for our healing circle today. As
usual, it was like our circle was one Spirit and we were thinking,
feeling, and experiencing the same beautiful help and assistance for
growth as if we were one Soul. Exposure to transforming Love seems so
much more powerful as a group and I find myself continuing to grow
and change long after it's over." Leisa
Hope you can be with us.
m
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11 July 2012
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The Maya Prophecy for 2012:
Hope for all Humankind
with Miguel Angel Vergara

9am Honolulu • 12pm San Francisco • 3pm New York • 8pm London


Day by day we are fast approaching the date of December 21 2012 and the end of the Mayan Calendar. So far, many of the messages delivered via the Internet, films, and books regarding this event have focused on a catastrophe on a grand scale or even the end of Humankind, creating much fear and anxiety in the minds of thousands of people as they think that the year 2012 could bring the end of the world and that this is something that cannot be changed or transformed.

First of all, it is important to note that in their calendars the ancient Maya did not say that the year 2012 would be the end of humanity. If so, then why did they include mention of dates after this year?

Archeologists and epigraphers working for the National Institute of Anthropology and History (INAH) of Mexico recently reconfirmed that the exact date of the end of this era, corresponds to the 23 of December 2012 and not the 21 of December that has been mentioned so far. This date is found recorded in stone in Stele No.6, discovered in the archeological zone of Tortuguero, Tabasco and in a fragment found in the Olmec-Maya city of Comocalco, Tabasco.

But we ask ourselves: What is the stele telling us? What is going to happen on this date? What this stele tells us and in a clear and direct way, is that we are going to conclude a period of time, an era, a sun, a final cycle, and then initiate a new one. Once the 13 Baktuns end on the 23 of December 2012, Bolon-Yokte-Ku, the god of the 9 pillars, will descend from the heavens.

Also discussed by the Archeologists from the National Institute of Anthropology is that there exists records in the Temple of the Inscriptions in Palenque, Chiapas, (the pyramid where the tomb of the Teacher Pakal Votan is located) which mention dates 2,000 years later, that is to say to the year 4,772 A.D., which reflects the deep knowledge, wisdom, and cosmic awareness that the Mayas reached about Time and the Calendar, apart from the study of Astronomy, Mathematics, Geometry, and Writing.

We are living, in this moment, a process of Change of Consciousness in all of us; in which a catastrophic prophecy or negative saying, is able to be transformed into something positive; we have already been given the power to believe, to create, and to manifest; here, right now, in this moment and in the future, we have the marvelous opportunity to create! Yes! A golden era, but based on a change in thinking and a change in consciousness, based on being and acting differently; loving, respecting, and honoring all the elements of life on this planet: earth, water, air, fire, ether, human beings, mountains, rivers, volcanoes, lakes, animals, plants, trees, caves, cenotes, temples, pyramids, etc., etc…

The Maya teachers taught us saying, “If you believe, you can create, and if you can create you can manifest.” You can do it since you are a potential creator!

Each atom of creation has three parts:
1. Material
2. Consciousness
3. Energy

more:
[link to greatmystery.org]
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It would be very helpful to me if you can tell me if I had any success. Because I feel I didn't, and I fell asleep every single time I tried. Thanks.
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Have you tried anything to help to anchor yourself to your waking mind?

Someone mentioned counting back from 10. Perhaps you've tried this or something else?
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So your saying that we are going to see a big UFO now? or are you saying that those in the dream world will only see it? In other words say that 50 people are standing outside together at say a shopping mall. How many of those 50 people will be able to see the UFO? Pls explain!!!
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It is a country-sized "UFO", visible in your waking world.

Out of 50 people, it would depend on how it's structured. Perhaps 45 of the 50.

A "UFO" is basically a waking interpretation of an event that has properties of other kinds of physicality. You may see a circular shape and lights, for example, when there really are none 'to itself'.

As previously mentioned, if you traveled to, let's say, 1970 the kind of physicality that is "1970" is very different from the physicality in "2012". The 1970 people (values) would see you not as you see yourself in 2012 but would interpret the 2012 physicality as being something foreign. A "UFO" perhahsp, or a paranormal experience.

This is what we are doing on July 18/19. We are bringing the dream world to your waking world. You would interpret it, most likely, as a "UFO"

But a massive one at that. The size of a small country. You are seeing it with your waking eyes. It is strange to see and appears to be physical. But it the beginning of a new physicality and this represents it on a mass scale.
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It would be very helpful to me if you can tell me if I had any success. Because I feel I didn't, and I fell asleep every single time I tried. Thanks.
 Quoting: miqq


Have you tried anything to help to anchor yourself to your waking mind?

Someone mentioned counting back from 10. Perhaps you've tried this or something else?
 Quoting: Chaol


I find very hard to focus, but, hey!; I've got all the time don't I? I'll keep trying. Thanks again Chaol!
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And I'm sure this big ass UFO is going to show up in England during the Olypmics. Just as expected. And then there will be a couple of people trying to lead the way who call themselves the children of Quetzalcoatl. Am I dong this right?
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Sounds plausible. But perhaps not.

There would be an endless variety of responses. Some feel differently, some get happy or have a renewed sense of purpose, some get upset, some go insane.

It depends on the meaning it has to that person.

However, it would affect the entire world (the entire physicality), not just people.

As the dream world merges (has all ready merged) with the waking world more and more 'strange' things occur.

It may be easily forgotten a month after, no matter how profound at that time. But the effect on this brand of physicality would not be.
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Yea but unfortunately something happens all the time. If he says big UFO event on July 18th then people will be scanning the net for a reported UFO sighting and then Chaol will claim that he was right. same thing if he says something will happen on July 15th, etc....... One thing I have learned from this site is that people will predict something and if they can find something remotely possible to what was predicted they will hail the OP. If he says that a UFO will be spotted by atleast 20% of the worlds population then that may be a different story.
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Yes, of course "UFO" experiences happen often.

But I am talking about an experience in broad daylight, to an audience of hundreds of thousands (millions in some ways).

They experience the dream world merging with their waking world first-hand.

It is "the" experience in this way, and it is all made possible by you.

I want to show you what you can do.

More instructions will follow. (I am in the process of calculating the most effective and meaningful set of instructions.)
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Chaol, would it be possible to have a short description of the successful connections, or some indication about them?

Especially since you said that most of meeting you is imaginary (not dynamic). It would be helpful to know more about the successes. Needless to say, I'd love to know the nature of my perceived dialogue and connection with you and the others, as a reference for future attempts.

Usually, when one experiences something in a successful way, knows the difference and there is no need for confirmation, but this is all so new and uncharted territory, that it's hard to pin down things completely without a frame of reference.

Looking forward to the "big ass UFO" experiment!
 Quoting: Ambra 18388353


It would not be a 'failed attempt'. These create the experience of the successful ones.

That is not to say a connection is not made in most attempts. (They are.) But a dynamic one that connects directly to the ever-changing nature of perspective is usually not something that would be accomplished on the first attempt.

To ramify all of your attempts into those categories would have the opposite effect.

Just practice more and you succeed.

To the ones that do not have a dynamic connection you are thisclose. But anyone's practice would help them. It's part of the process of making something more relative. In that I would not want to interfere by promoting the idea that your specific experiences are either XY or JT.

Let's just say that I do not know. And then we practice together :)
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moi aussi, let it be a surprise. i think chaols doing great. looking forward to trying to meet in the room this night and experimenting with dreams....
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Cool, it's party time in the dream world!

I will start in a few, really late here. Was planning on half sleep access. If I doze off in deep sleep mode right away, I hope to remember the dream. This is still a challenge for me.
 Quoting: Ambra 18388353


No need to wait. You could actually experience this while awake. It takes a bit more practice, so I would recommend you first do it while sleeping.

Some would call this experiencing both worlds simultaneously. But really it would then be two (relative) interpretations of an experience.

You would see how your waking world is the dream world.
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moi aussi, let it be a surprise. i think chaols doing great. looking forward to trying to meet in the room this night and experimenting with dreams....
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Cool, it's party time in the dream world!

I will start in a few, really late here. Was planning on half sleep access. If I doze off in deep sleep mode right away, I hope to remember the dream. This is still a challenge for me.
 Quoting: Ambra 18388353


No need to wait. You could actually experience this while awake. It takes a bit more practice, so I would recommend you first do it while sleeping.

Some would call this experiencing both worlds simultaneously. But really it would then be two (relative) interpretations of an experience.

You would see how your waking world is the dream world.
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Is this a tie into "The Genius"?
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I find very hard to focus, but, hey!; I've got all the time don't I? I'll keep trying. Thanks again Chaol!
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May I ask, why do you find it hard to focus?

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