Notes from an "alternate universe": Meeting in the new Dream reality

Hi.

Yes, your experience is ok. It just takes some practice. There is no rush. You are learning new things all the time by doing this. By experimenting with what is right for you, you may even pick up some new insights or abilities that we have not thought about.

Your Sun is the source of your physical perspective, so to speak. Going there is quite meaningful. (It is you.)

Do you feel that would be the common response to such an event?

How do you think your governments and militaries would feel? Children? etc.

These are all values in your perspective that can be considered.

Hi Chaol
I dont know the mechanics of this or indeed even if I was in the right place - it felt like a soft mussy barrier was pulled down although I could peek. I saw felt binary numbers on these walls but get the feeling that If I rubbed them sound/forms would be made. Like I said I could only peep around the opening into the space.
This is new to me I just came on this thread, any clues?
When will you be there to let me in?

In what kind of experience could many think, "Wow! That was fun!" instead of any mass feelings of fear?

Wow.. You're pretty quick.

I will assume, for others' sake, that you are talking about Sekhmet's twin. It is a bit more difficult to get to because in a way we must let go of what we consider physicality.

This hall is for many types of physicality of which your 'brand' (your current physical experience) is one.

I've mentioned before that dreams are physical. There is an endless variety of physical 'realms' (or brands, as I usually say) of this Earth and they all come together here.

So entering this chamber forget who you are. You are still you but because of this multi-variate physical experience your mind may trick you into thinking you are someone else when you find yourself in this place.

So, I would suggest just trying again until you are there. It's a worthwhile experience and possibly one of the most amazing things to see for yourself.

How can you help me do it? I don't understand. If you are talking about just looking up in the sky and just imagining a UFO is there, sure I can do that. Actually I just looked up at the sky now and pictured a big UFO and bam it was there but I don't think any of my neighbors saw it.

Where does a cloud come from?

I am now going to attempt to read your whole thread :)
Then I will go back into the belly of Sekhmets twin (as this is what I felt)
I really want to put my fingers in those holes in the walls and read the book I glimpsed with your name on it.
Nothing is strange to me anymore.
Thank you for sharing this with us I am very grateful.
Now to the thread..:)

Interesting that one has a human body with a lion face, and the other a lion's body with a human face...

When the sun shines on the grass it pulls up the moisture and that moisture rises and that is what forms the clouds.

You're very welcome. See you later :)

Yes. They are 2 ways of perceiving the same thing.

Waking and dreaming.

Yes, that is the scientific explanation. But let's think about where a cloud really comes from.

Can it come from your perception, instead?

Yes of course I can imagine a cloud in the sky but say if my friend was outside with me. I don't think he would see the cloud.

Last night I had an interesting dream. I was stuck in large room with many other people. It had the same sense of being physical as waking reality. The leaders told us we could never leave and would remain there forever. We could only leave the prison room through the medium of a dream.

At this moment I realized I was in a dream (became fully lucid) and walked over to the wall. I focused and a purple portal opened on the wall. I passed through it and emerged in the sky where I flew around for a while, revisiting my childhood neighborhood.

@Chaol

"How to change this perception? The details or aspects of it? In as simple terms as the statement above?", she asked, from the waking dream.

Mad dejavu right now, btw.

Perhaps it's not your imagination. Your reality is entirely within your perception.

You are unable to see outside of your perception.

Your friend, too, is in your perception, as is the cloud.

We generally perceive those things that are most relative to our perception.

So here, what we're doing here is working with perception to 'materialize' what would be called a UFO.

We are doing this by importing something that is not relative into our perception.

Under certain circumstances these perception-foreign things would be interpreted as being UFOs.

You change the perception by making the perceptions you 'want' more relative to the ones you have now.

For example if Billy was broke and wanted a bicycle he would bring a bicycle closer to his experience not by wishing but by going out to get a bicycle horn.

This brings the experience (which all ready exists) closer to your 'now'.

Anything is possible. It's a question of, "how many steps from here to there?".

We can do things to minimize the number of steps. I've spoken a little about it in the following threads:

Thread: Neuronics: The future of humanity (Humanity without physicality)

Thread: Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking.

I realize it's a lot to read. But as time and space are illusions I suppose it's not so long :)

Chaol, what you just wrote sounds like something that happened to me last year. I came into a bit of money and I was trying to decide what to buy with it. After meditating on it for a bit suddenly the idea of buying a treadmill popped into my head. I decided then and there that I was going to buy one.

I went downstairs and told my mother and father of my decision. I planned on buying one that Friday.

Mysteriously, that Thursday I was swimming with my girlfriend and she told me her aunt and uncle called her that morning and said she could have their treadmill because they needed space in their basement. my girlfriend didn't have space for it at her house so she asked me if I wanted to have it. The next day we drove over and I picked up the treadmill free of charge.

Any idea of how I can recreate this experience? Such a skill seems quite useful.

Im sorry but this still isnt making any sense. If Billy wanted a bicycle and wanted to get closer to his experience by purchasing a bicycle horn, sure he is closer to his experience but he still can't go riding down the street on his bicycle.

Its just like me when I moved out of my parents house. I remember getting all worked up about getting my first apartment. I went out and bought a new computer, pots and pans, cleaning supplies, etc...... all while still living at home with my parents and those items sat there for about a month until I was finally approved at an apartment complex. All this brought me closer to my experience but I didn't get to experience what it is like having my first apartment until I actually got it.

Your still dealing with the physical world though.

How did you get into your current profession, if you don't mind me asking?

Actually I have been unemployed going on 4 years now :( my savings is running low but I will need to definitely get a job by years end.

For me, fear is stopping me with *any* of this. A "UFO" experience would jump waaay out of my comfort zone :) Though ofc part of me would love something like that to happen.

How to get past the fear? Is fear ever a good thing? Surely in part it's there to stop the really bad stuff happening. If I wasn't able to feel fear, and decided to try walking in front of a car, I'd die (or at least be pretty mangled). So how do we tell when fear isn't needed (though even then, I feel fear even if "logically" I know that I shouldn't), given we can't know for sure how life will work out.

Does that make sense, and can you give any helpful advice? Part of me wants to jump head first into something new, part of me craves it. Stronger than that though is the fear of the unknown and trying to keep things from changing (no matter how unsatisfactory "now" is), because at least I'm not *totally* alone, and I'm still existing, and I still have key parts of my reality that I could not *bear* to lose...

So in order to get a job you'll probably have to carry out a series of logical steps to reach that point.

Every step closer you make may not be the destination (for example, checking your resume) but it does help you in getting a job, right?

We do all this, and we are still dealing with the physical world.

I understand what you are saying but all this has already existed for 1000's of years. I am sure my parents did the same thing as well as my grandparents, etc.....

There can be a difference between fear and understanding of consequences.

We oftentimes fear the consequences but of course fear is not necessary to keep us from walking in front of a moving car.

Try to understand the consequences of something first. If your imagination takes over that may be fear talking to you. If you have a reasonable expectation of the consequences (e.g., walking in front of a moving car is probably not a good idea) rather than something your imagination might think of (e.g., if I visit Sicily then I might get killed or kidnapped) that may work better for your experience.

In a way, you would not lose those parts of your reality that you didn't really want to keep. It's not that they'll just be taken from you. It's still your perspective. And who knows more intimately about what you (really) want and keeping you safe than you?

Yes, thank you. I've read all the threads (studied neuronics, used the Genius, all of it) I was just hoping that maybe you would be able to point at the moon one more time and say "Look!" and I would stop staring at your finger, not understanding what the hell you were trying to get me to see... and just turn my head to finally see it. Maybe this is happening'd. Thank you.

Yes. It is something that we do anyway.

But to know how it works is something else.

To be able to 'choose' your experiences is something that we have an idea about but generally don't really know how to do that well.

You do this all the time when you're dreaming.

These threads are also about learning how to do it while awake.

Everything you see and experience is you, being illustrated.

We think of ourselves as being something inside of a body when that part is only the most relative parts of our perspective.

Everything in your perspective is you. We can learn to see outside of our eyes, learn to feel outside of our bodies, hear beyond our ears, and more.

The finger that you've been looking at is your finger. But more importantly what isn't you?

It sure is a fine illusion.