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Notes from an "alternate universe": Meeting in the new Dream reality

 
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I understand what you are saying but all this has already existed for 1000's of years. I am sure my parents did the same thing as well as my grandparents, etc.....
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Yes. It is something that we do anyway.

But to know how it works is something else.

To be able to 'choose' your experiences is something that we have an idea about but generally don't really know how to do that well.

You do this all the time when you're dreaming.

These threads are also about learning how to do it while awake.
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I guess what it all boils down too is that we will create our own reality when we die?, correct?

I remember when my grandfather passed away last year, about a few months before he passed my family would visit him in the nursing home and he would tell us that he was just talking to my grandmother or he was talking to another relative. It was sooo real to him. I remember being with him a few weeks before he passed and he would tell the people in the room, hey whats that and he would point to somewhere in the room and say "hey look its a squirrel" or hey look "who is that guy over there" when in reality no one was there.

What you are speaking of, will happen to all of us once we leave this physical earth when its our time to go.
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Here's a summary of all 245 pages:

"You perceive that which takes the least amount of energy to perceive"

 Quoting: Chaol


@Chaol

"How to change this perception? The details or aspects of it? In as simple terms as the statement above?", she asked, from the waking dream.

Mad dejavu right now, btw.
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You change the perception by making the perceptions you 'want' more relative to the ones you have now.

For example if Billy was broke and wanted a bicycle he would bring a bicycle closer to his experience not by wishing but by going out to get a bicycle horn.

This brings the experience (which all ready exists) closer to your 'now'.

Anything is possible. It's a question of, "how many steps from here to there?".

We can do things to minimize the number of steps. I've spoken a little about it in the following threads:

Thread: Neuronics: The future of humanity (Humanity without physicality)

Thread: Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking.

I realize it's a lot to read. But as time and space are illusions I suppose it's not so long :)
 Quoting: Chaol


Chaol, what you just wrote sounds like something that happened to me last year. I came into a bit of money and I was trying to decide what to buy with it. After meditating on it for a bit suddenly the idea of buying a treadmill popped into my head. I decided then and there that I was going to buy one.

I went downstairs and told my mother and father of my decision. I planned on buying one that Friday.

Mysteriously, that Thursday I was swimming with my girlfriend and she told me her aunt and uncle called her that morning and said she could have their treadmill because they needed space in their basement. my girlfriend didn't have space for it at her house so she asked me if I wanted to have it. The next day we drove over and I picked up the treadmill free of charge.

Any idea of how I can recreate this experience? Such a skill seems quite useful.
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Sorry Chaol, could you please weigh in on my experience based upon the context of what you're describing?
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Yes, thank you. I've read all the threads (studied neuronics, used the Genius, all of it) I was just hoping that maybe you would be able to point at the moon one more time and say "Look!" and I would stop staring at your finger, not understanding what the hell you were trying to get me to see... and just turn my head to finally see it. Maybe this is happening'd. Thank you.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 918001


Everything you see and experience is you, being illustrated.

We think of ourselves as being something inside of a body when that part is only the most relative parts of our perspective.

Everything in your perspective is you. We can learn to see outside of our eyes, learn to feel outside of our bodies, hear beyond our ears, and more.

The finger that you've been looking at is your finger. But more importantly what isn't you?

It sure is a fine illusion.
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Yes, it is, haha. And I understand all of the above, know it even (with a big nod to you [me] for bringing about this awareness).

What I'm getting is to choose and take action on the way I want things to be, bringing those "things" closer. First I must know what I want, and then I must "move" those things into my perspective. It is so clear in this state right now... And I have oscillated in and out of this state for some time now. Now, it is about merging the two. Would love a mantra or anchor to remind me during this period of integration. Swinging back and forth, what is the fulcrum?
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I guess what it all boils down too is that we will create our own reality when we die?, correct?

I remember when my grandfather passed away last year, about a few months before he passed my family would visit him in the nursing home and he would tell us that he was just talking to my grandmother or he was talking to another relative. It was sooo real to him. I remember being with him a few weeks before he passed and he would tell the people in the room, hey whats that and he would point to somewhere in the room and say "hey look its a squirrel" or hey look "who is that guy over there" when in reality no one was there.

What you are speaking of, will happen to all of us once we leave this physical earth when its our time to go.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18339432


I suppose.

Though I've never talked about death, other than that there is none.

Perhaps it's more of a change of perspective.

If we'd rather wait until then for this change, I suppose some of us are more comfortable doing so.
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Sorry Chaol, could you please weigh in on my experience based upon the context of what you're describing?
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I'm not sure about your experience but you could experience these things (and more) with neuronics or a similar method. For some people it could be visualization.
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[snips]
Swinging back and forth, what is the fulcrum?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 918001


Your perspective, of course.
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[snips]
Swinging back and forth, what is the fulcrum?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 918001


Your perspective, of course.
 Quoting: Chaol


AHAHAHAHAA!

Of course.

<3
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Chaol i have a q.

Why in many dreams i perform ocultic rituals. Like drawing geometrical symbols. Siting on the candle with other ppl around. Finding dream symbols/objects and trying to destroy them. And i unconscious knowing this is for destroying bad guys (rulers of the world). In many occasions i dealing with ghosts/demons who try to stop by attacking me. If i lost battles i get physically harmed, i feel pain all day or more after this kind battles.

Some one want to stop me or wtf?

Tonight i dreamed unconscious. 2 castles (white and second was brown) Distance between castles was about few miles. Around was forests. I stand in the empty yard full of sand. I knew what to do. I looked to the other castle through hole in the hill (trees was cut). And i take a stick, scattered sand on it with some words like spell. And started to paint huge circle with geometric symbols inside. At the same time my reflection drew the same in other castle yard. Later something happened, i remember i saw my sand painting from the top, wind started to blow sand but drawings left.

I remember one scene after that, i ran in the Beautiful yard full of flowers. Felt joy. Later what i remember was my school, so back to normal dream.

Interesting fact i dream places how it looked when i was 6-8y old. now i dreaming im adult but in same places they looked 15-20y ago.


In waking life, i see splashes of white, dark shadows and
small splashing orbs. I always saw them just with my eye corner for split of the second.

i have more stories if anyone interested :)
 Quoting: Newbie Dreamer

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Is the pleroma involved?
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So, I just tried accessing the hall at the Great Sphynx location.
A very interesting experience, too complicated to describe. I'll report the highlights.

I tried about three times, it wasn't easy.
I am still not sure if I was successful.
Chaol, I brought you a quartz crystal, put it in your hand... in case that happened.

On the first two attempts I didn't know if I was there. Saw a hall with points of light from the ceiling line, casting down along the walls, with painted inscriptions. On second attempt, couldn't see anything. On third attempt, at first the walls didn't make sense, looked dull, and somewhat wobbling.

You told me to make it more relative, it was the reason I couldn't see what was there, then it was like a surface layer of the wall was moved aside, and the real inscriptions behind that layer appeared.

It looked now that the light was being emanated by each inscription. Very luminous. The hall became bright and colorful. The light had all different shades of colors. These were the original colors, I thought!

When touching an inscription, it seemed to emanate a nice sound.

The room with the books was always to the right. A sound of water (maybe the city) felt to the left at the end of the hall, going more underground.

I often turned back to look at Sekhmet, while imagining to be her projection at the same time. I could see my hands, but they were black and shiny, while being Sekhmet.

I asked you to see how the replica of the timeline looked like. I got it to be the luminous inscriptions, the entire hall itself. It had a high tech feeling to it.

In the library room, there was a high tech device with bluish light, a translator device for some books. One book with a gold cover was to the left of the room.

You seemed to be happy for my first attempt, and I left.
The vividness was hard to stabilize, kind of wobbly, and it felt more ethereal (you included) than physical, though I managed to feel the walls.

I don't know if this was a successful attempt or my imagination. I hope it worked!

End of report.
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The result? fear, of course. One very large would be exiting. Place? Above Keops!
 Quoting: miqq


In what kind of experience could many think, "Wow! That was fun!" instead of any mass feelings of fear?
 Quoting: Chaol


Maybe a very large UFO hovering over reactor 4 in Fukushima, could evoke some sensations of hope in the crowds, rather than deep fear. Some change in a situation that the world deems hopeless.
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I understand now the point that Chaol wants to make with a giant UFO. Scaring everybody is to be avoided. I thought of, maybe a humoungous flight of, say, cranes. Birds. But Chaol probably already has something in mind. I can`t access youtube right now, but if I could, I would find the video of a delightful display involving many, many yellowish spheres in Mexico a few years ago. The people watching were going "oooh!" and "ahhh!", with no more negative drama than that.
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^ orbs are less scary than hi tech machines
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Do you think that if many people see a huge UFO in the sky that the worlds governments might try to use the event for their own specific ends? How can showing something completely out of our perceived reality to so many people not have an adverse effect? What are the consequences of doing this? Would some government try to spin it as an invasion in order to tighten control over its citizens?
Of course, I hope for the best. That upon seeing something new in our skies we will come together and see one another as a family. But there are those that will just as easily put a bullet in anyone that interferes with their perceived power. Seeing something in the sky could be just what we need, but the fallout from it is still up for grabs.

See you all in the library.
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i could'nt let go of the questions and the answer came to me from none other than Chaol. After surfing various sites on the web I stumbled on this quote. Thank you friend.

"The question is perhaps more of a “how is it happening” rather than “how will it happen?”

To each person, the answer is different.

If you want solar flares and this symbolizes a change, then that’s what you get.

If you think it has to do with your job, then so be it.

It depends on you.”
— CHAOL
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I understand now the point that Chaol wants to make with a giant UFO. Scaring everybody is to be avoided. I thought of, maybe a humoungous flight of, say, cranes. Birds. But Chaol probably already has something in mind. I can`t access youtube right now, but if I could, I would find the video of a delightful display involving many, many yellowish spheres in Mexico a few years ago. The people watching were going "oooh!" and "ahhh!", with no more negative drama than that.
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Dude do you honestly think that people are going to get scared over a big UFO in the skies? Come on be honest. This guy Chaol can't make any big UFO appear, he is just all talk. Believe me and MARK MY WORDS that there will be no big UFO event on July 18 and or 19th.
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[snips]

Some one want to stop me or wtf?
[snips]
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What someone else could there possibly be?
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Is the pleroma involved?
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I don't know what is, or how said thing could be involved with something.
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So, I just tried accessing the hall at the Great Sphynx location.
A very interesting experience, too complicated to describe. I'll report the highlights.

I tried about three times, it wasn't easy.
I am still not sure if I was successful.
Chaol, I brought you a quartz crystal, put it in your hand... in case that happened.

On the first two attempts I didn't know if I was there. Saw a hall with points of light from the ceiling line, casting down along the walls, with painted inscriptions. On second attempt, couldn't see anything. On third attempt, at first the walls didn't make sense, looked dull, and somewhat wobbling.

You told me to make it more relative, it was the reason I couldn't see what was there, then it was like a surface layer of the wall was moved aside, and the real inscriptions behind that layer appeared.

It looked now that the light was being emanated by each inscription. Very luminous. The hall became bright and colorful. The light had all different shades of colors. These were the original colors, I thought!

When touching an inscription, it seemed to emanate a nice sound.

The room with the books was always to the right. A sound of water (maybe the city) felt to the left at the end of the hall, going more underground.

I often turned back to look at Sekhmet, while imagining to be her projection at the same time. I could see my hands, but they were black and shiny, while being Sekhmet.

I asked you to see how the replica of the timeline looked like. I got it to be the luminous inscriptions, the entire hall itself. It had a high tech feeling to it.

In the library room, there was a high tech device with bluish light, a translator device for some books. One book with a gold cover was to the left of the room.

You seemed to be happy for my first attempt, and I left.
The vividness was hard to stabilize, kind of wobbly, and it felt more ethereal (you included) than physical, though I managed to feel the walls.

I don't know if this was a successful attempt or my imagination. I hope it worked!

End of report.
 Quoting: Ambra 18388353


A nice first attempt. Yes, a bit difficult to connect. But see you again!
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The result? fear, of course. One very large would be exiting. Place? Above Keops!
 Quoting: miqq


In what kind of experience could many think, "Wow! That was fun!" instead of any mass feelings of fear?
 Quoting: Chaol


Maybe a very large UFO hovering over reactor 4 in Fukushima, could evoke some sensations of hope in the crowds, rather than deep fear. Some change in a situation that the world deems hopeless.
 Quoting: Ambra 18388353


I suppose that horseman has already started riding.

Most people don't even know about it.

But I guess it would be interesting. Hopefully, it would not make most people even more complacent than they already are about it (if that's possible).
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^ orbs are less scary than hi tech machines
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The idea of colorful orbs seems like it might work.

What do you think?
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[snips]Seeing something in the sky could be just what we need, but the fallout from it is still up for grabs.

See you all in the library.
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Yep.
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New dream reality?

I don't think so. It's only new to those just awakening. Beginner stuff.
watching the "run up" to the elections and the "hopes and dreams" that are built as a result is like watching a dead mouse that is still able to make his exercise wheel go around because his nerves are still twitching that familiar motion...
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i could'nt let go of the questions and the answer came to me from none other than Chaol. After surfing various sites on the web I stumbled on this quote. Thank you friend.

"The question is perhaps more of a “how is it happening” rather than “how will it happen?”

To each person, the answer is different.

If you want solar flares and this symbolizes a change, then that’s what you get.

If you think it has to do with your job, then so be it.

It depends on you.”
— CHAOL
 Quoting: escognito 7320395


Yes. We're all going through major changes in different ways. But, wouldn't you know, the change was all ways there. We're just getting in a state of physicality where it happens much quicker.
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I understand now the point that Chaol wants to make with a giant UFO. Scaring everybody is to be avoided. I thought of, maybe a humoungous flight of, say, cranes. Birds. But Chaol probably already has something in mind. I can`t access youtube right now, but if I could, I would find the video of a delightful display involving many, many yellowish spheres in Mexico a few years ago. The people watching were going "oooh!" and "ahhh!", with no more negative drama than that.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1194528



Dude do you honestly think that people are going to get scared over a big UFO in the skies? Come on be honest. This guy Chaol can't make any big UFO appear, he is just all talk. Believe me and MARK MY WORDS that there will be no big UFO event on July 18 and or 19th.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18339432


That is true. I'm all talk. Nothing ever happens.
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The result? fear, of course. One very large would be exiting. Place? Above Keops!
 Quoting: miqq


In what kind of experience could many think, "Wow! That was fun!" instead of any mass feelings of fear?
 Quoting: Chaol


Maybe a very large UFO hovering over reactor 4 in Fukushima, could evoke some sensations of hope in the crowds, rather than deep fear. Some change in a situation that the world deems hopeless.
 Quoting: Ambra 18388353


I suppose that horseman has already started riding.

Most people don't even know about it.

But I guess it would be interesting. Hopefully, it would not make most people even more complacent than they already are about it (if that's possible).
 Quoting: Chaol



Whoa looks like Chaol has been reading Revelations in the Bible :)
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I understand now the point that Chaol wants to make with a giant UFO. Scaring everybody is to be avoided. I thought of, maybe a humoungous flight of, say, cranes. Birds. But Chaol probably already has something in mind. I can`t access youtube right now, but if I could, I would find the video of a delightful display involving many, many yellowish spheres in Mexico a few years ago. The people watching were going "oooh!" and "ahhh!", with no more negative drama than that.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1194528



Dude do you honestly think that people are going to get scared over a big UFO in the skies? Come on be honest. This guy Chaol can't make any big UFO appear, he is just all talk. Believe me and MARK MY WORDS that there will be no big UFO event on July 18 and or 19th.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18339432


That is true. I'm all talk. Nothing ever happens.
 Quoting: Chaol



Ok if some BIG MASS event does happen on July 18th and or 19th I will believe you, hows that :)
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Whoa looks like Chaol has been reading Revelations in the Bible :)
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I am familiar with a few things. Both fiction and non-fiction works.
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Ok if some BIG MASS event does happen on July 18th and or 19th I will believe you, hows that :)
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I don't actually want you to believe me. I want you to doubt me and believe yourself ;)
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Ok if some BIG MASS event does happen on July 18th and or 19th I will believe you, hows that :)
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I don't actually want you to believe me. I want you to doubt me and believe yourself ;)
 Quoting: Chaol


Im for BIG MASS Event. But not in USA! Norway, sweeden, finland. Or even in Lithuania :)
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