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Notes from an "alternate universe": Meeting in the new Dream reality

 
LeKing

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That sounds like a good idea. I'm glad you've volunteered!

Just like in the real world, meeting in the dream reality takes effort. We cannot just appear automatically in front of people that we know. You need an 'address' and other markers. (The steps I provided near the beginning of this thread were a kind of address to a specific reality.)

To create your own address, do the same as you would building a house on a street.

Symbolize it,
give it a story,
make it relative to other things,
and invite others.

Symbol
Logic
Interaction
Potential Energy
 Quoting: Chaol

Lol no problem.

I've had some good ideas, would the use of binaural tones help? I have a specific one in mind, I'm sure you know which one.


I'm up for another meet-up! LeKing - do you want to give us the address etc?
 Quoting: Marshwiggle


You make it sound so easy lol I will do a big post and put something together what I think might work. It will be tomorrow though, I'm hoping to utilise the energy of nov 17th as Chaol said it would be good to focus on.
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Re: Notes from an "alternate universe": Meeting in the new Dream reality
[snips]

I am thinking that some of us did meet, but don't know or don't believe that we did.

[snips]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6853315


Most were, from my perspective, more personal realities influenced by suggestions.

However, there were a few people that 'broke through' and actually did meet each other.

It need only happen once to show ourselves that it can be done. (Or, more accurately, to remind us that we do it all the time.)

We just need more practice to make it a normal part of our living.
 Quoting: Chaol




Nice. Count me in. I have talked to you, Chaol, during dream time.
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It is easy to consider the server going down when you're posting as an omen. Same thing happened to me today.

However, isn't that a value in your/my perspective? If so, could we possibly wipe the slate clean for the opportunity to create a new perspective?
 Quoting: Unit3

Hello, Unit3.

If I understand what you are saying, then I would want to tell you that there is something in me that I trust implicitly. It whispers to me, "turn left" and when I do, I eventually learn that I avoided something unpleasant that occurred to my right.

When my hand is stopped by this quiet something that says, "don't do it", then I don't do it. I have learned that I suffer when I choose to ignore or override the wisdom of whatever it is that guides me. Oftentimes, "it" gets directly in front of me and blocks me from further action, probably because I wasn't paying attention to all of the hints and clues "it" was tossing at me.

I would certainly never want to erase it. It has taken me a lifetime to develop a healthy communication with this "something". It is an important part of my perspective.
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Agreed. I keep trying to present a clean slate but it doesn't seem it's possible. ;o(
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To attend on this "meeting" it's necessary that the person succeeds in having lucid dreams?

Or it will be 'automatic'?
 Quoting: Gespenst


ugh ugh ugh ugh ugh ugh ugh!!!!

why do people still insist lucid dreaming is some kind of evolved form of dreamwork? it ISN'T!!!! it's dreaming 101...there is SO much more to learn and practice!!!!
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Proof that its actually possible to meet others in the dream reality? You have to remember others reading this thread still might not think its possible even though you and I do.

When its just one person posting it looks unbelievable, so my point was that your self could of been saying, no more from you or it looks too unnatural.

Maybe a new meeting exercise could be organised? Luring others in from the alternate universe thread?
 Quoting: LeKing


That sounds like a good idea. I'm glad you've volunteered!

Just like in the real world, meeting in the dream reality takes effort. We cannot just appear automatically in front of people that we know. You need an 'address' and other markers. (The steps I provided near the beginning of this thread were a kind of address to a specific reality.)

To create your own address, do the same as you would building a house on a street.

Symbolize it,
give it a story,
make it relative to other things,
and invite others.

Symbol
Logic
Interaction
Potential Energy
 Quoting: Chaol




Nice. I just posted on this last night in the other thread.

I love the above description of the model.

For this address, is a mental symbol recommended?

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To attend on this "meeting" it's necessary that the person succeeds in having lucid dreams?

Or it will be 'automatic'?
 Quoting: Gespenst


ugh ugh ugh ugh ugh ugh ugh!!!!

why do people still insist lucid dreaming is some kind of evolved form of dreamwork? it ISN'T!!!! it's dreaming 101...there is SO much more to learn and practice!!!!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27662195


Some folks do not recall ever even having one. They're left with no frame of reference or logical narrative to get there. With that said, all one would have to do is be open to the possibility of it happening and boom.

Ugh ugh uhhgggggggggghhhhhh.

Why do people still insist their perspective is the only "right" perspective and everyone else is still in a 101 course? Instead of belittling someone's point of view, enhance it. Elaborate on your technique and maybe you'd help someone out. Unless, of course, you get your kicks from looking down on others as others have looked down on you.
Nothing is irrelevant.
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This seems more to be a form of Existentialism than anything else.
 Quoting: TS66


What is existentialism, to you?
 Quoting: Chaol


It is that all that we perceive as life, this or any other, is created by and for our own personal existence.
 Quoting: TS66


Then no. We are not the center of the universe.

What is being advanced is something where ego is irrelevant. Why would "our" universe be limited by the definitions spout by our tongue?
 Quoting: Chaol




If everything is made up of our perceptions, then how could we not be the center of the universe? 1dunno1
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That sounds like a good idea. I'm glad you've volunteered!

Just like in the real world, meeting in the dream reality takes effort. We cannot just appear automatically in front of people that we know. You need an 'address' and other markers. (The steps I provided near the beginning of this thread were a kind of address to a specific reality.)

To create your own address, do the same as you would building a house on a street.

Symbolize it,
give it a story,
make it relative to other things,
and invite others.

Symbol
Logic
Interaction
Potential Energy
 Quoting: Chaol

Lol no problem.

I've had some good ideas, would the use of binaural tones help? I have a specific one in mind, I'm sure you know which one.


I'm up for another meet-up! LeKing - do you want to give us the address etc?
 Quoting: Marshwiggle


You make it sound so easy lol I will do a big post and put something together what I think might work. It will be tomorrow though, I'm hoping to utilise the energy of nov 17th as Chaol said it would be good to focus on.
 Quoting: LeKing


The nexus on the 17th may be useful. But I'm not exactly sure what its values are so I can't be sure.

Never harmful, though.

You can try binaural tones with it if you'd like. Experimentation!
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Proof that its actually possible to meet others in the dream reality? You have to remember others reading this thread still might not think its possible even though you and I do.

When its just one person posting it looks unbelievable, so my point was that your self could of been saying, no more from you or it looks too unnatural.

Maybe a new meeting exercise could be organised? Luring others in from the alternate universe thread?
 Quoting: LeKing


That sounds like a good idea. I'm glad you've volunteered!

Just like in the real world, meeting in the dream reality takes effort. We cannot just appear automatically in front of people that we know. You need an 'address' and other markers. (The steps I provided near the beginning of this thread were a kind of address to a specific reality.)

To create your own address, do the same as you would building a house on a street.

Symbolize it,
give it a story,
make it relative to other things,
and invite others.

Symbol
Logic
Interaction
Potential Energy
 Quoting: Chaol


Nice. I just posted on this last night in the other thread.

I love the above description of the model.

For this address, is a mental symbol recommended?
 Quoting: Unit3


One day we will realize there's no difference between mental and physical symbols.

But until then, you can experiment to see which one works best. A mental symbol is easily shared with others, though.
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To attend on this "meeting" it's necessary that the person succeeds in having lucid dreams?

Or it will be 'automatic'?
 Quoting: Gespenst


ugh ugh ugh ugh ugh ugh ugh!!!!

why do people still insist lucid dreaming is some kind of evolved form of dreamwork? it ISN'T!!!! it's dreaming 101...there is SO much more to learn and practice!!!!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27662195


Some folks do not recall ever even having one. They're left with no frame of reference or logical narrative to get there. With that said, all one would have to do is be open to the possibility of it happening and boom.

Ugh ugh uhhgggggggggghhhhhh.

Why do people still insist their perspective is the only "right" perspective and everyone else is still in a 101 course? Instead of belittling someone's point of view, enhance it. Elaborate on your technique and maybe you'd help someone out. Unless, of course, you get your kicks from looking down on others as others have looked down on you.
 Quoting: Jesse Sovoda




I've been wanting to apologize to Gespenst from something I said in the other thread. I am very sorry for telling this person we aren't waiting with our Genius models. I am very sorry about my attitude.
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Proof that its actually possible to meet others in the dream reality? You have to remember others reading this thread still might not think its possible even though you and I do.

When its just one person posting it looks unbelievable, so my point was that your self could of been saying, no more from you or it looks too unnatural.

Maybe a new meeting exercise could be organised? Luring others in from the alternate universe thread?
 Quoting: LeKing


That sounds like a good idea. I'm glad you've volunteered!

Just like in the real world, meeting in the dream reality takes effort. We cannot just appear automatically in front of people that we know. You need an 'address' and other markers. (The steps I provided near the beginning of this thread were a kind of address to a specific reality.)

To create your own address, do the same as you would building a house on a street.

Symbolize it,
give it a story,
make it relative to other things,
and invite others.

Symbol
Logic
Interaction
Potential Energy
 Quoting: Chaol


Nice. I just posted on this last night in the other thread.

I love the above description of the model.

For this address, is a mental symbol recommended?
 Quoting: Unit3


One day we will realize there's no difference between mental and physical symbols.

But until then, you can experiment to see which one works best. A mental symbol is easily shared with others, though.
 Quoting: Chaol



I'm fine with either. I'm working on my Genius model for this so wanted to clarify. I wonder why you picked a symbol that has some meaning in that first experiment? Why not just a rock w/o any meaning attached to it?
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If everything is made up of our perceptions, then how could we not be the center of the universe? 1dunno1
 Quoting: Unit3


In that case, both "center" and "universe" would be irrelevant.

That's why it's more fun to name things and create conflict. hehe
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If everything is made up of our perceptions, then how could we not be the center of the universe? 1dunno1
 Quoting: Unit3


In that case, both "center" and "universe" would be irrelevant.

That's why it's more fun to name things and create conflict. hehe
 Quoting: Chaol




LOL!

Well, I am definitely in on a hide and go seek game. I always loved that game, hehe!

Edit: Damn, just found another dimension to the game. LOL! What fun!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



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I'm fine with either. I'm working on my Genius model for this so wanted to clarify. I wonder why you picked a symbol that has some meaning in that first experiment? Why not just a rock w/o any meaning attached to it?
 Quoting: Unit3


It could have been a rock. But I suppose it was a personal preference.

The form itself is a nexus, which makes it easier :)

Lots of potential energy is attracted to it, you could say. In other terms, its form is geometrically quite an "efficient" design.

You can use any form you'd like, or even do a variation of Sekhmet with your own embellishments.
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I'm fine with either. I'm working on my Genius model for this so wanted to clarify. I wonder why you picked a symbol that has some meaning in that first experiment? Why not just a rock w/o any meaning attached to it?
 Quoting: Unit3


It could have been a rock. But I suppose it was a personal preference.

The form itself is a nexus, which makes it easier :)

Lots of potential energy is attracted to it, you could say. In other terms, its form is geometrically quite an "efficient" design.

You can use any form you'd like, or even do a variation of Sekhmet with your own embellishments.
 Quoting: Chaol




Okay, so we are still going with Sekhmet. I have a Genius model. Shall I post it? Or is the model provided somewhere in this thread....I haven't read the whole thread yet and since this is a group type project, it might differ from what I am learning to build.

(I tried to be linear about studying the material, but alas, I find I am reading threads in all different ways, in the middle, at the end and at the start! Iow, I jumped in with both feet! )

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What are gods?

Science becomes mythology in an other perspective.

Are we not exploring physics by telling the story of the gods? Some express ideas in numbers, some in stories. But each is built from relationships. And cultures explore relationships in different ways.

We wonder of the ancients wit but see their math as a religion or a mythology.
 Quoting: Chaol

This is the direction in which my inquiries are taking me. I am a little bit disgusted by much of what I find written about the gods, although I have run into one or two remarkable writers who seem to get it. I'll post some of that stuff later. Probably while you are absent and the thread will need some bumps.

One day we will realize there's no difference between mental and physical symbols.
 Quoting: Chaol

I figured this out quite awhile ago. I am walking around in my brain.

It is my conjecture that the Egyptian Book of the Dead is a description of the parts and processes in the brain, and how they correspond to the "other" world, which, I am assuming, is the mind. The Duat, I think.

you're onto something ;)
 Quoting: Chaol

I do not know how to ask this succinctly, without posting reams of background research. So, please allow me to ask this in hopes that you can give me a hint or a full explanation (ha! I know better than that!). Who or what does Baal represent?

I was a little bit shook by your reference to Thoth as also being known as Yahweh. I know that these myths and figures are representative of other things -- of other forces -- and my head is on fire trying to reconcile some of these forces. Can you help, please?
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Sorry to get so far off the subject matter of this thread, but I think that it is relative in a different way.

This is my understanding so far:

Baal is representative of separation; of power over; of dominion over.

Yahweh is representative of restrictive rules; of control.

And yet, Thought/Thoth/Yahweh holds the ankh.
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One last point. Yahweh declares itself as being a jealous god.
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Sorry to get so far off the subject matter of this thread, but I think that it is relative in a different way.

This is my understanding so far:

Baal is representative of separation; of power over; of dominion over.

Yahweh is representative of restrictive rules; of control.

And yet, Thought/Thoth/Yahweh holds the ankh.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6853315




I'm here to learn. So, thanks for sharing.

I don't really think it's far from the subject matter though. It looks to me you are reconciling myth with archetypes with symbols with how the mind functions? And could you define your understanding of the ankh? (I'm trying to catch up with several years of Chaol threads...so I appreciate this! hf)

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It looks to me you are reconciling myth with archetypes with symbols with how the mind functions?
 Quoting: Unit3

Yes! Excellent!

But it is more than that. There are shapes involved. Relationships. The archetypes are alive.

Here is the quote to which I refer:

I'm not sure about your other references, but ThohT is a symbol of "thought", which is where all symbols reside. And of course Thoth (the Egyptian Tehuti, or lah-Tehuti, or Yahweh), the holder of the ankh (original Ecsys symbol).
 Quoting: Chaol


Chaol introduced us to Egyptian gods, then called the Egyptians "terrorists". I think it is because the apparent knowledge displayed by the Egyptians is a corruption of something introduced to them by an earlier culture.

Why, then, the Egyptians? Why not, say, the Sumerians? Or the Mayans? Or some other system? Why the Egyptians?
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It looks to me you are reconciling myth with archetypes with symbols with how the mind functions?
 Quoting: Unit3

Yes! Excellent!

But it is more than that. There are shapes involved. Relationships. The archetypes are alive.

Here is the quote to which I refer:

I'm not sure about your other references, but ThohT is a symbol of "thought", which is where all symbols reside. And of course Thoth (the Egyptian Tehuti, or lah-Tehuti, or Yahweh), the holder of the ankh (original Ecsys symbol).
 Quoting: Chaol


Chaol introduced us to Egyptian gods, then called the Egyptians "terrorists". I think it is because the apparent knowledge displayed by the Egyptians is a corruption of something introduced to them by an earlier culture.

Why, then, the Egyptians? Why not, say, the Sumerians? Or the Mayans? Or some other system? Why the Egyptians?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6853315




Aren't the archetypes alive because of perspective? Iow, my husband is alive, yet I know I also created him.

And I do not know why the Egyptians, but I would love to know. I have searched and searched and can't really pin it down. However, I am good at reading between the lines and if you share your thesis, I might be able to glean something useful. I can tell you have studied this and would like to pick your brain, so to speak, heh!

So the ankh is the original Escys symbol? Must think about this for a while. Thanks.

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Chaol reminds us often that he is playing chess-not-checkers. Well, who is his opponent? Who is he strategizing against?
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Who ARE we?
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Aren't the archetypes alive because of perspective?
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There is only one perspective.
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Chaol reminds us often that he is playing chess-not-checkers. Well, who is his opponent? Who is he strategizing against?
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His own mind blockages.
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Who ARE we?
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I ask myself that question all the time.

I don't really understand how I can see that I make my own perspectives. Who is it that sees this?

I run into the same thing with this: I see my thoughts, but who is it that sees that I see my thoughts??????????

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Aren't the archetypes alive because of perspective?
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There is only one perspective.
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Yes, well, I wouldn't mind if you said just a little more about this.

I have MY perspective, you have YOUR perspective, etc:. I get this pretty good. Are you and I and the 9 billion on this planet and the rest of the universe, ONE BEING with one perspective???????
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Why does a ... Girl have broken mlmlhmlh
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Wheres the new baby universe ... Mlmlh i don't know.
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May I join this meeting? I frequently have lucid dreams but I have yet to do anything creative with them other than mess around...what do I do?

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