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Notes from an "alternate universe": Meeting in the new Dream reality

 
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Now you're teasing us, Jesse ;)
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Lol. Still ironing out the settings.
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WhoooHooo! Can't wait to hear about it.

rockon
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So far, it's not rendered me lucid once. I wake up with it slid off my eyes. Lol
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Awwwwwww! Well, the intent is there....I'd also get me a GENIUS plan on it, heh!

hf
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Chaol recommended 10hz and binaural not isochronic.
The only time I had an OBE was using binaurals, so I think they will be a valuable asset to the "training"

10hz with white noise:
[link to www.youtube.com]

10 hz pure:
[link to www.youtube.com]


10hz binaural + isochronic:
[link to www.youtube.com]
 Quoting: Dodec 20177375


10 not so much as a recommendation, just an example.

Different tones for different purposes.

By the way, you don't need headphones for binaural tones. Only for your ears to hear the tones distinctly. But your brain can hear both distinctly anyway (and thus 'produce' a binaural tone) without the headphones.
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Good thing I re-read this post. I forgot the part about not needing headphones.
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Chaol recommended 10hz and binaural not isochronic.
The only time I had an OBE was using binaurals, so I think they will be a valuable asset to the "training"

10hz with white noise:
[link to www.youtube.com]

10 hz pure:
[link to www.youtube.com]


10hz binaural + isochronic:
[link to www.youtube.com]
 Quoting: Dodec 20177375


10 not so much as a recommendation, just an example.

Different tones for different purposes.

By the way, you don't need headphones for binaural tones. Only for your ears to hear the tones distinctly. But your brain can hear both distinctly anyway (and thus 'produce' a binaural tone) without the headphones.
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Good thing I re-read this post. I forgot the part about not needing headphones.
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Unit3, I Just realized you sent me a message. I'm so sorry I didn't answer before. I was writing you back but I am unable to send PM.
Thank you for the message.
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Ok, so I probably had one of the most powerful dreams last night and I know some of you were there so lets see if it triggers.

I felt as if it was the last day of 'school'

I said bye to all of the people who I interpret as you guys inside a big hall and then shit hit the fan basically.

I remember trying to escape and coming across someone who was on the floor with some sort of breathing apparatus, they thought I wanted it, but I said something along the lines of "No I don't need it, you keep it, I'm going to think of a plan to get us out of here"

And then the person did some magick and created some sort of energy ball, after that I was basically visualising just a galaxy of worlds.

Very fucking intense.
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On the night of the 12th, I woke up mid-dream feeling anxious. Whatever was going on, I thought, "this can't be happening." Something said to me to just observe...to let it all play itself out and see what comes of it. I fell back asleep. In the morning, I couldn't remember a thing except tumbling, rolling beams of light. There were others involved, not just me alone.

Could it have been the same event?
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Chaol recommended 10hz and binaural not isochronic.
The only time I had an OBE was using binaurals, so I think they will be a valuable asset to the "training"

10hz with white noise:
[link to www.youtube.com]

10 hz pure:
[link to www.youtube.com]


10hz binaural + isochronic:
[link to www.youtube.com]
 Quoting: Dodec 20177375


10 not so much as a recommendation, just an example.

Different tones for different purposes.

By the way, you don't need headphones for binaural tones. Only for your ears to hear the tones distinctly. But your brain can hear both distinctly anyway (and thus 'produce' a binaural tone) without the headphones.
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Good thing I re-read this post. I forgot the part about not needing headphones.
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Unit3, I Just realized you sent me a message. I'm so sorry I didn't answer before. I was writing you back but I am unable to send PM.
Thank you for the message.
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He, he! It's funny how many don't notice their mailbox. I'll send my email address to you. Feel free to say hi whenever you feel like it.

hf
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I had a dream 12/14/12 that was full of amazing, magical things and there were many people there. We performed some kind of fire ceremony and then watched as all kinds of amazing things happened in the sky.

I also went through a membrane to enter into this dream "place."

I woke up later in the night with a headache in the third eye, with wavy lines going out in 3 directions. (And a headache the whole next day.)

Anyway, I'm thinking our dreams are connected, heh!!!

Edit: I just noticed the dates of our dreams, 13th in UK, 12th in US and 14th in US. I say that's too close to call it a separate event.

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I watched the video and used to subscribe to these beliefs. Now, I'm thinking it's all a state of mind....perceptions. What do you think?

It brings up a good question. I wonder if they mediate in Chaol's world? If so, I wonder what their practice is.

Edit: Ha! Just found the answer to my question. Chaol doesn't know of any meditation:

Thread: Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking. (Page 7)

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I had a dream 12/14/12 that was full of amazing, magical things and there were many people there. We performed some kind of fire ceremony and then watched as all kinds of amazing things happened in the sky.

I also went through a membrane to enter into this dream "place."

I woke up later in the night with a headache in the third eye, with wavy lines going out in 3 directions. (And a headache the whole next day.)

Anyway, I'm thinking our dreams are connected, heh!!!

Edit: I just noticed the dates of our dreams, 13th in UK, 12th in US and 14th in US. I say that's too close to call it a separate event.
 Quoting: Unit3

I would say they are connected too.

I watched the video and used to subscribe to these beliefs. Now, I'm thinking it's all a state of mind....perceptions. What do you think?

It brings up a good question. I wonder if they mediate in Chaol's world? If so, I wonder what their practice is.

Edit: Ha! Just found the answer to my question. Chaol doesn't know of any meditation:

Thread: Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking. (Page 7)
 Quoting: Unit3


The process Chaol describes to connect to the dream world (sit comfortably, relax you self, free of distractions and letting the mind flow) in my terminology would be considered a meditation of sorts.

I believe the knowledge of the video, and I think pineal activation is possible the more cosmic energy you expose your self too, which in turn will allow you to see the 'alternate universes' easier.

This is the reason for the head aches too btw, in my opinion during a heavy night/day of 'dreaming' your pineal gland is working hard.

I do think with time the head aches will lessen though.

Sort of like building your health back up, it takes time to get to a peak sort of performance.

The video too also spoke about being able to acquire knowledge while in these other 'dimensions', which is too what Chaol has mentioned. The Sphinx library holds many books, if I remember correctly its the sound of your thoughts what lets you access them.

Maybe I should follow my own advice and get there more!
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I had a dream 12/14/12 that was full of amazing, magical things and there were many people there. We performed some kind of fire ceremony and then watched as all kinds of amazing things happened in the sky.

I also went through a membrane to enter into this dream "place."

I woke up later in the night with a headache in the third eye, with wavy lines going out in 3 directions. (And a headache the whole next day.)

Anyway, I'm thinking our dreams are connected, heh!!!

Edit: I just noticed the dates of our dreams, 13th in UK, 12th in US and 14th in US. I say that's too close to call it a separate event.
 Quoting: Unit3

I would say they are connected too.

I watched the video and used to subscribe to these beliefs. Now, I'm thinking it's all a state of mind....perceptions. What do you think?

It brings up a good question. I wonder if they mediate in Chaol's world? If so, I wonder what their practice is.

Edit: Ha! Just found the answer to my question. Chaol doesn't know of any meditation:

Thread: Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking. (Page 7)
 Quoting: Unit3


The process Chaol describes to connect to the dream world (sit comfortably, relax you self, free of distractions and letting the mind flow) in my terminology would be considered a meditation of sorts.

I believe the knowledge of the video, and I think pineal activation is possible the more cosmic energy you expose your self too, which in turn will allow you to see the 'alternate universes' easier.

This is the reason for the head aches too btw, in my opinion during a heavy night/day of 'dreaming' your pineal gland is working hard.

I do think with time the head aches will lessen though.

Sort of like building your health back up, it takes time to get to a peak sort of performance.

The video too also spoke about being able to acquire knowledge while in these other 'dimensions', which is too what Chaol has mentioned. The Sphinx library holds many books, if I remember correctly its the sound of your thoughts what lets you access them.

Maybe I should follow my own advice and get there more!
 Quoting: LeKing



I agree, it's a connected event. One I hope happens more often until it becomes my reality.

I wonder how much of what Chaol actually practices is meditation or is it visualization? I hadn't seen the instructions you mentioned, but I do remember him saying to concentrate on Sekhmet until she is standing in front of you.

I guess you could call it a guided meditation, LOL!

As far as I can tell, the difference in Chaol's method and our meditation, is I don't think Chaol's exposes one to the "astral" world. Whereas, what we practice puts us smack dab in the astral world.

From my experiences with it, I don't care for it. All I ever experienced were beings who wanted to harm me, or forceably wanted my physical body or meeting lots of dead people who wanted help....too many so that I was overwhelmed. I started to wonder if this is what's meant by the Adam and Eve story of not eating from the tree of "good and evil." With evil being the intent of opening chakras and entering the astral world. This could also explain why so many seem incarnated now with the veil pierced. Maybe they partook of the tree in another lifetime...which of course, is this lifetime since all is now, heh!

I found it very interesting though, that I felt pain in the third eye region with our shared experience. But, I feel good about how this is taking place. The intent is not to open the third eye, but to partake of a different world. For some reason, this feels better to me.

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I agree, it's a connected event. One I hope happens more often until it becomes my reality.
 Quoting: Unit3

I personally think "time" here is speeding up until we merge over. How long until it happens is the next question!

I wonder how much of what Chaol actually practices is meditation or is it visualization? I hadn't seen the instructions you mentioned, but I do remember him saying to concentrate on Sekhmet until she is standing in front of you.

I guess you could call it a guided meditation, LOL!

As far as I can tell, the difference in Chaol's method and our meditation, is I don't think Chaol's exposes one to the "astral" world. Whereas, what we practice puts us smack dab in the astral world.
 Quoting: Unit3

To quote Zulkar from this thread Thread: Notes from an "alternate universe": July 18, 2012 - The Return of the Gods
The key to accessing the dream world is your understanding that you are able to elaborate "creational thoughts", by using your brain.

This is why "visualizing" is the key.

It is a trick to make you aware (remember) that you are capable of doing it.

From my experience i'd say the Sun might be a good location to start with.
Even without visualizing Sekhmet, the Sun is always there.

Once you visualize it, its flames, explosions and amazing energy will be immediately obvious to you.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1466619

Have you read all of that thread at all btw? You should really make time for it if not.

But I think visualizing is the key :).

From my experiences with it, I don't care for it. All I ever experienced were beings who wanted to harm me, or forceably wanted my physical body or meeting lots of dead people who wanted help....too many so that I was overwhelmed. I started to wonder if this is what's meant by the Adam and Eve story of not eating from the tree of "good and evil." With evil being the intent of opening chakras and entering the astral world. This could also explain why so many seem incarnated now with the veil pierced. Maybe they partook of the tree in another lifetime...which of course, is this lifetime since all is now, heh!

I found it very interesting though, that I felt pain in the third eye region with our shared experience. But, I feel good about how this is taking place. The intent is not to open the third eye, but to partake of a different world. For some reason, this feels better to me.
 Quoting: Unit3


I personally think Chaols "place" (his tree area) and the Sphinx as well as our Sun are safe spots in the astral, other places you are likely to meet less friendly beings. But they are still inside the astral/dream realms.

I could be wrong again though.

Now Chaol is back he can chime in :)?!
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I haven't read all of the thread where Zulkar is posting, but I asked him/her what comprises visualization. I asked a bunch of questions of Zulkar and am now waiting for answers.

I don't intend to study both Zulkar and Chaol without an understanding of how I am to do so. Do we integrate the information both are providing or what?

I agree with the rest of your ideas, LeKing, and esp. the part about reading that whole thread. I'm catching up as fast I can, LOL! All Chaol's threads are worth reading.

I hadn't thought of our structured dream being a safe space in the astral but it sure makes sense. I had already felt safe about it so this just confirms it a little more for me. Thanks. Before this, I couldn't see the point of entering the astral. It is a mess.

I think I'll post this link in the more active thread and see if we can't get Chaol over here.

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I had a dream 12/14/12 that was full of amazing, magical things and there were many people there. We performed some kind of fire ceremony and then watched as all kinds of amazing things happened in the sky.

I also went through a membrane to enter into this dream "place."

I woke up later in the night with a headache in the third eye, with wavy lines going out in 3 directions. (And a headache the whole next day.)

Anyway, I'm thinking our dreams are connected, heh!!!

Edit: I just noticed the dates of our dreams, 13th in UK, 12th in US and 14th in US. I say that's too close to call it a separate event.
 Quoting: Unit3

I would say they are connected too.

I watched the video and used to subscribe to these beliefs. Now, I'm thinking it's all a state of mind....perceptions. What do you think?

It brings up a good question. I wonder if they mediate in Chaol's world? If so, I wonder what their practice is.

Edit: Ha! Just found the answer to my question. Chaol doesn't know of any meditation:

Thread: Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking. (Page 7)
 Quoting: Unit3


The process Chaol describes to connect to the dream world (sit comfortably, relax you self, free of distractions and letting the mind flow) in my terminology would be considered a meditation of sorts.

I believe the knowledge of the video, and I think pineal activation is possible the more cosmic energy you expose your self too, which in turn will allow you to see the 'alternate universes' easier.

This is the reason for the head aches too btw, in my opinion during a heavy night/day of 'dreaming' your pineal gland is working hard.

I do think with time the head aches will lessen though.

Sort of like building your health back up, it takes time to get to a peak sort of performance.

The video too also spoke about being able to acquire knowledge while in these other 'dimensions', which is too what Chaol has mentioned. The Sphinx library holds many books, if I remember correctly its the sound of your thoughts what lets you access them.

Maybe I should follow my own advice and get there more!
 Quoting: LeKing



I agree, it's a connected event. One I hope happens more often until it becomes my reality.

I wonder how much of what Chaol actually practices is meditation or is it visualization? I hadn't seen the instructions you mentioned, but I do remember him saying to concentrate on Sekhmet until she is standing in front of you.

I guess you could call it a guided meditation, LOL!

As far as I can tell, the difference in Chaol's method and our meditation, is I don't think Chaol's exposes one to the "astral" world. Whereas, what we practice puts us smack dab in the astral world.

From my experiences with it, I don't care for it. All I ever experienced were beings who wanted to harm me, or forceably wanted my physical body or meeting lots of dead people who wanted help....too many so that I was overwhelmed. I started to wonder if this is what's meant by the Adam and Eve story of not eating from the tree of "good and evil." With evil being the intent of opening chakras and entering the astral world. This could also explain why so many seem incarnated now with the veil pierced. Maybe they partook of the tree in another lifetime...which of course, is this lifetime since all is now, heh!

I found it very interesting though, that I felt pain in the third eye region with our shared experience. But, I feel good about how this is taking place. The intent is not to open the third eye, but to partake of a different world. For some reason, this feels better to me.
 Quoting: Unit3


They're instructions for this world, not necessarily what would be used in my world. Although we do represent there's no need to visualize what is all ready there.

Some of us do alter our breathing patterns so I suppose you could consider this a form of meditation.

I'm not sure what the astral world is but from your description it sounds.. interesting :)
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I agree, it's a connected event. One I hope happens more often until it becomes my reality.
 Quoting: Unit3

I personally think "time" here is speeding up until we merge over. How long until it happens is the next question!

I wonder how much of what Chaol actually practices is meditation or is it visualization? I hadn't seen the instructions you mentioned, but I do remember him saying to concentrate on Sekhmet until she is standing in front of you.

I guess you could call it a guided meditation, LOL!

As far as I can tell, the difference in Chaol's method and our meditation, is I don't think Chaol's exposes one to the "astral" world. Whereas, what we practice puts us smack dab in the astral world.
 Quoting: Unit3

To quote Zulkar from this thread Thread: Notes from an "alternate universe": July 18, 2012 - The Return of the Gods
The key to accessing the dream world is your understanding that you are able to elaborate "creational thoughts", by using your brain.

This is why "visualizing" is the key.

It is a trick to make you aware (remember) that you are capable of doing it.

From my experience i'd say the Sun might be a good location to start with.
Even without visualizing Sekhmet, the Sun is always there.

Once you visualize it, its flames, explosions and amazing energy will be immediately obvious to you.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1466619

Have you read all of that thread at all btw? You should really make time for it if not.

But I think visualizing is the key :).

From my experiences with it, I don't care for it. All I ever experienced were beings who wanted to harm me, or forceably wanted my physical body or meeting lots of dead people who wanted help....too many so that I was overwhelmed. I started to wonder if this is what's meant by the Adam and Eve story of not eating from the tree of "good and evil." With evil being the intent of opening chakras and entering the astral world. This could also explain why so many seem incarnated now with the veil pierced. Maybe they partook of the tree in another lifetime...which of course, is this lifetime since all is now, heh!

I found it very interesting though, that I felt pain in the third eye region with our shared experience. But, I feel good about how this is taking place. The intent is not to open the third eye, but to partake of a different world. For some reason, this feels better to me.
 Quoting: Unit3


I personally think Chaols "place" (his tree area) and the Sphinx as well as our Sun are safe spots in the astral, other places you are likely to meet less friendly beings. But they are still inside the astral/dream realms.

I could be wrong again though.

Now Chaol is back he can chime in :)?!
 Quoting: LeKing


All of the beings you meet are you, still a part of your perspective.

But the place I have reserved for us is a place where harm is irrelevant. Unless you had a bad burrito or something lol
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I haven't read all of the thread where Zulkar is posting, but I asked him/her what comprises visualization. I asked a bunch of questions of Zulkar and am now waiting for answers.

I don't intend to study both Zulkar and Chaol without an understanding of how I am to do so. Do we integrate the information both are providing or what?

I agree with the rest of your ideas, LeKing, and esp. the part about reading that whole thread. I'm catching up as fast I can, LOL! All Chaol's threads are worth reading.

I hadn't thought of our structured dream being a safe space in the astral but it sure makes sense. I had already felt safe about it so this just confirms it a little more for me. Thanks. Before this, I couldn't see the point of entering the astral. It is a mess.

I think I'll post this link in the more active thread and see if we can't get Chaol over here.
 Quoting: Unit3


I've no comment on Zulkar. The posts don't make much sense to me. But if some persons here are interested I see no harm in the use of this thread for the occasional Zulkar post. Though at the same time it would be unfair for newcomers to confuse the Zulkar material.
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I had a dream 12/14/12 that was full of amazing, magical things and there were many people there. We performed some kind of fire ceremony and then watched as all kinds of amazing things happened in the sky.

I also went through a membrane to enter into this dream "place."

I woke up later in the night with a headache in the third eye, with wavy lines going out in 3 directions. (And a headache the whole next day.)

Anyway, I'm thinking our dreams are connected, heh!!!

Edit: I just noticed the dates of our dreams, 13th in UK, 12th in US and 14th in US. I say that's too close to call it a separate event.
 Quoting: Unit3

I would say they are connected too.

I watched the video and used to subscribe to these beliefs. Now, I'm thinking it's all a state of mind....perceptions. What do you think?

It brings up a good question. I wonder if they mediate in Chaol's world? If so, I wonder what their practice is.

Edit: Ha! Just found the answer to my question. Chaol doesn't know of any meditation:

Thread: Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking. (Page 7)
 Quoting: Unit3


The process Chaol describes to connect to the dream world (sit comfortably, relax you self, free of distractions and letting the mind flow) in my terminology would be considered a meditation of sorts.

I believe the knowledge of the video, and I think pineal activation is possible the more cosmic energy you expose your self too, which in turn will allow you to see the 'alternate universes' easier.

This is the reason for the head aches too btw, in my opinion during a heavy night/day of 'dreaming' your pineal gland is working hard.

I do think with time the head aches will lessen though.

Sort of like building your health back up, it takes time to get to a peak sort of performance.

The video too also spoke about being able to acquire knowledge while in these other 'dimensions', which is too what Chaol has mentioned. The Sphinx library holds many books, if I remember correctly its the sound of your thoughts what lets you access them.

Maybe I should follow my own advice and get there more!
 Quoting: LeKing



I agree, it's a connected event. One I hope happens more often until it becomes my reality.

I wonder how much of what Chaol actually practices is meditation or is it visualization? I hadn't seen the instructions you mentioned, but I do remember him saying to concentrate on Sekhmet until she is standing in front of you.

I guess you could call it a guided meditation, LOL!

As far as I can tell, the difference in Chaol's method and our meditation, is I don't think Chaol's exposes one to the "astral" world. Whereas, what we practice puts us smack dab in the astral world.

From my experiences with it, I don't care for it. All I ever experienced were beings who wanted to harm me, or forceably wanted my physical body or meeting lots of dead people who wanted help....too many so that I was overwhelmed. I started to wonder if this is what's meant by the Adam and Eve story of not eating from the tree of "good and evil." With evil being the intent of opening chakras and entering the astral world. This could also explain why so many seem incarnated now with the veil pierced. Maybe they partook of the tree in another lifetime...which of course, is this lifetime since all is now, heh!

I found it very interesting though, that I felt pain in the third eye region with our shared experience. But, I feel good about how this is taking place. The intent is not to open the third eye, but to partake of a different world. For some reason, this feels better to me.
 Quoting: Unit3


They're instructions for this world, not necessarily what would be used in my world. Although we do represent there's no need to visualize what is all ready there.

Some of us do alter our breathing patterns so I suppose you could consider this a form of meditation.

I'm not sure what the astral world is but from your description it sounds.. interesting :)
 Quoting: Chaol




How do you alter your breathing? Is it something you can teach us?

The astral world is......interesting, LOL! And, it's already here. You can access it! (Just teasing you now. I know you know it.)
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I haven't read all of the thread where Zulkar is posting, but I asked him/her what comprises visualization. I asked a bunch of questions of Zulkar and am now waiting for answers.

I don't intend to study both Zulkar and Chaol without an understanding of how I am to do so. Do we integrate the information both are providing or what?

I agree with the rest of your ideas, LeKing, and esp. the part about reading that whole thread. I'm catching up as fast I can, LOL! All Chaol's threads are worth reading.

I hadn't thought of our structured dream being a safe space in the astral but it sure makes sense. I had already felt safe about it so this just confirms it a little more for me. Thanks. Before this, I couldn't see the point of entering the astral. It is a mess.

I think I'll post this link in the more active thread and see if we can't get Chaol over here.
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I've no comment on Zulkar. The posts don't make much sense to me. But if some persons here are interested I see no harm in the use of this thread for the occasional Zulkar post. Though at the same time it would be unfair for newcomers to confuse the Zulkar material.
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Yes plus it's a different teaching. One of the questions I asked is are we supposed to integrate that teaching with yours?

I actually asked that question for a reason. I really don't understand starting to teach something different on someone else's thread. We'll see though. I love to find out I'm wrong, heh!
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All of the beings you meet are you, still a part of your perspective.

But the place I have reserved for us is a place where harm is irrelevant. Unless you had a bad burrito or something lol
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I haven't read all of the thread where Zulkar is posting, but I asked him/her what comprises visualization. I asked a bunch of questions of Zulkar and am now waiting for answers.

I don't intend to study both Zulkar and Chaol without an understanding of how I am to do so. Do we integrate the information both are providing or what?

I agree with the rest of your ideas, LeKing, and esp. the part about reading that whole thread. I'm catching up as fast I can, LOL! All Chaol's threads are worth reading.

I hadn't thought of our structured dream being a safe space in the astral but it sure makes sense. I had already felt safe about it so this just confirms it a little more for me. Thanks. Before this, I couldn't see the point of entering the astral. It is a mess.

I think I'll post this link in the more active thread and see if we can't get Chaol over here.
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I agree with Chaol that it would be unfair for newcomers to confuse the Zulkar material. But some of his teachings resonate with me.

You mentioned Tabula Rasa the other day, did you read the wikipedia page for the mmorpg of the same name?

A quote from the background

"There once was an advanced alien species known as the Eloh. They freely shared the knowledge of Logos, the power to convert between matter and energy with just the mind, to less advanced races. One of these less advanced races, the Thrax, used this power to wage war against the Eloh, a war which the Eloh won but at a great cost."

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

You will see what im saying, if not now then deffinately after reading The return of the gods thread.

Or maybe you already knew and I'm wrongly assuming you didn't lol apologies if so.


All of the beings you meet are you, still a part of your perspective.

But the place I have reserved for us is a place where harm is irrelevant. Unless you had a bad burrito or something lol
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Which place is reserved for us Chaol? just your Tree area, or the Sphinx area also?

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I haven't read all of the thread where Zulkar is posting, but I asked him/her what comprises visualization. I asked a bunch of questions of Zulkar and am now waiting for answers.

I don't intend to study both Zulkar and Chaol without an understanding of how I am to do so. Do we integrate the information both are providing or what?

I agree with the rest of your ideas, LeKing, and esp. the part about reading that whole thread. I'm catching up as fast I can, LOL! All Chaol's threads are worth reading.

I hadn't thought of our structured dream being a safe space in the astral but it sure makes sense. I had already felt safe about it so this just confirms it a little more for me. Thanks. Before this, I couldn't see the point of entering the astral. It is a mess.

I think I'll post this link in the more active thread and see if we can't get Chaol over here.
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I agree with Chaol that it would be unfair for newcomers to confuse the Zulkar material. But some of his teachings resonate with me.

You mentioned Tabula Rasa the other day, did you read the wikipedia page for the mmorpg of the same name?

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

There is obviously more too it, but you will see what im saying, if not now then deffinately after reading The return of the gods thread.

Or maybe you already knew and I'm wrongly assuming you didn't lol apologies if so.


All of the beings you meet are you, still a part of your perspective.

But the place I have reserved for us is a place where harm is irrelevant. Unless you had a bad burrito or something lol
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Which place is reserved for us Chaol? just your Tree area, or the Sphinx area also?
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I read part of the wikipedia page but I'm at a loss as to how it connects with the return of the gods thread, unless you feel Chaol and Zulkar are the return? I feel the return of the gods is all of us returning to our true nature.

I try to keep from superimposing my beliefs on anything I am studying. Rather, I try to build a foundation of understanding to what I already feel I know. So, it's not a complete Tabula Rasa but I am always willing to be wrong...so I can find out how to be right, LOL!

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I wonder how much of what Chaol actually practices is meditation or is it visualization? I hadn't seen the instructions you mentioned, but I do remember him saying to concentrate on Sekhmet until she is standing in front of you.

I guess you could call it a guided meditation, LOL!

As far as I can tell, the difference in Chaol's method and our meditation, is I don't think Chaol's exposes one to the "astral" world. Whereas, what we practice puts us smack dab in the astral world.

From my experiences with it, I don't care for it. All I ever experienced were beings who wanted to harm me, or forceably wanted my physical body or meeting lots of dead people who wanted help....too many so that I was overwhelmed. I started to wonder if this is what's meant by the Adam and Eve story of not eating from the tree of "good and evil." With evil being the intent of opening chakras and entering the astral world. This could also explain why so many seem incarnated now with the veil pierced. Maybe they partook of the tree in another lifetime...which of course, is this lifetime since all is now, heh!

I found it very interesting though, that I felt pain in the third eye region with our shared experience. But, I feel good about how this is taking place. The intent is not to open the third eye, but to partake of a different world. For some reason, this feels better to me.
 Quoting: Unit3


They're instructions for this world, not necessarily what would be used in my world. Although we do represent there's no need to visualize what is all ready there.

Some of us do alter our breathing patterns so I suppose you could consider this a form of meditation.

I'm not sure what the astral world is but from your description it sounds.. interesting :)
 Quoting: LeKing




Just FYI for you Chaol, besides meditation, here are some of the things "we" do here to transcend ego:

(Ego and Low Self Esteem)

What you will need:

Buy one bottle of 1000-1200mg Omega-3 fish oil.
A quiet place with a mirror where you will not be disturbed.
Complete scilence.

Protocol:
Days 1 to 3, take one fishoil every 6 hours, and be sure to wake up with an alarm to take it every 6 hours. Never miss!

Day 4 is the same, except at 12:00 midnight stand in front of your mirror and just stare into your own eyes for one full hour. Instead ot watching the time which will become a distraction, please set a timer.

Stare into yourself. You will see who you are. You will begin to question yourself, Your ego will step in, but your ego is not who you are. Your inward demonds will come forward... all those little things that have always held you back. Everything, and it may get ugly. That's just your ego. Nothing else. It's not real demons, just your own you've created!

Cry if you need to (which you will I'm sure), but be firm! Your ego will fuck you up here at this point! It is trying to convince you that he is you. He is not! He/it will not let go easily. If and when you have any sort of head pain like headache, that is what you want. It's working.

Continue this another day if needed. You will know when you have gotten control over it!

The fish oil is good for the brain which by the way is made up of mainly omega-3's. It cures psychological problems by balancing.

The mirror is good for the soul by staring into the window of the soul which is the eyes.

Brain/mind and spirit/soul are connected, and can never be separated ever.

Times of doeses every 6 hours even at night teaches discipline.

This is the medicine of the future!"



I had a friend that did something similar. He built a pyramid, put sigils all over it and then stared in a mirror until fire came out of his eyes. It took 30 days!

Here's some of the thinking of why we do things like this, Chaol:

Transcending Ego and Going Beyond Duality

"Do you want to know why you have difficulty feeling 'human'? It's because the core of your true nature/identity is one which supersedes and transcends what it means to be 'human'. There is an element of you that knows this truth, but the nature of our temporary circumstances in this physical world makes it difficult to bring this awareness to the surface. You know you are not the physical body that you see in the mirror but instead infinite spirit/consciousness/energy having a temporary 'human' experience on this Earthly physical plane. It is this veiled inner 'knowing' that you possess that serves to create the rift and the difficulty that you experience when you try to seek your identity within the 'human' experience. You know you are not of this physical world so when you try to identify with experiences that are a product of this world, you feel a sense of inner conflict within. Here's a list of other things which you are not:

- You are not your physical body, your race, or your gender.
- You are not defined by your career or your employment status.
- You are not defined by your relationship with a significant other or your lack of one.
- You are not defined by your relationship with your family members or relatives.
- You are not defined by the brain/ego in your head that pervades your consciousness with self-defeating thoughts.

You are none of these things because all of these things are only a product of the physical world and you know deep down that the core of who you really are transcends this. These are merely 'experiences', 'roles', 'circumstances' that we are exposed to during our temporary incarnation into this physical world to learn and to grow. While the suffering that you experience from your perception of your circumstances is real, it is important to begin to see that the circumstances themselves are NOT the root cause of the pain - it is your PERCEPTION of them. To help yourself you must work to shift your focus away from the external circumstances that you believe to be the cause of your suffering and redirect your focus to your inner 'circumstances'. Try to view your external circumstances as 'inconveniences' rather than any actual threats to your well-being - because the core of who you really are is not threatened by these temporary circumstances of this physical world. You must alter your perception to alter the emotional reaction that you have from these temporary 'circumstances' that you experience. The answers you need are within you and not external to you - you just have to work to find them. This is why you found the antidepressants didn't help you - you cannot find an external physical solution to an inherently internal & spiritual 'ailment'.

As someone who can relate to your description of your life experiences and with the present state of mind that you find yourself in, I understand if what I'm about to say does not immediately register or make sense to you. You see youself as being in the position of having 'lost everything' but I see something very different. I see you as an individual who has endured the necessary hardships in this lifetime to prime yourself to finally be in the position to experience a life-changing breakthrough and stand to GAIN 'everything' in the process. By 'everything' I mean freedom from your fears and to finally find the inner peace you have been searching for. Your experiences thus far in your life have absolutely not been in vain, so do not look back with regret - they serve a very important role in your path of spiritual growth & evolution.

You have to experience this process of losing what you perceived to be your identity before you can truly find yourself. In order to build the real YOU up - you need to experience the falling away of all that is not you. To discover and unlock what works we unfortunately need to experience and find out what doesn't work first! You have already begun the process of distancing yourself from these illusory & false perceptions that do not truly define you - and for that reason I see you as being in an advantageous position and being a step AHEAD of the game. From pain will come pleasure. Just like a woman must endure the pain from her pregnancy and the process of giving birth to create a beautiful new 'life' - you also have to endure the pain and discomfort that you have experienced before you can create and give birth to a 'new' you in the process of reconnecting with your spiritual identity.

What I'm saying is - there is nothing wrong with you! You are par for the course and walking the path that you need to walk in order to find what you've been searching for. Please do not think of harming yourself anymore. The previous 5 attempts failed because you were meant to remain here - you are here for a very important reason. You are presented with a test in this lifetime - a challenge to discover who you truly are. You are here to achieve this endeavor in the face of pain and adversity. You are not here to give up. You are hiking up a mountainside on route to your goal which is the summit. You have to forge ahead no matter how treacherous the terrain seems at times. You do not want to give up and go tumbling down the mountainside only to have to start the slow and painful ascent again from the bottom of the mountain. You've come so far there is no wasting this opportunity you have before you. Every step forward you take no matter how seemingly insigificant - it's PROGRESS towards your goal.

Hang in there. There are many individuals who will read your story and understand what you are going through - for that reason you are not alone. The process of inner transformation of your consciousness is not limited to incremental and gradual/slow 'changes' and improvement. The truth is that exponential breakthroughs will occur when you least expect them to - so you have to push forward. For now you'll have to take my word for it - but in due time you will know this truth first-hand."
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How do you alter your breathing? Is it something you can teach us?

The astral world is......interesting, LOL! And, it's already here. You can access it! (Just teasing you now. I know you know it.)
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It's nothing complicated. It's quite basic. It's just a matter of breathing more deeply to take in more oxygen (the world's most popular drug).
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I haven't read all of the thread where Zulkar is posting, but I asked him/her what comprises visualization. I asked a bunch of questions of Zulkar and am now waiting for answers.

I don't intend to study both Zulkar and Chaol without an understanding of how I am to do so. Do we integrate the information both are providing or what?

I agree with the rest of your ideas, LeKing, and esp. the part about reading that whole thread. I'm catching up as fast I can, LOL! All Chaol's threads are worth reading.

I hadn't thought of our structured dream being a safe space in the astral but it sure makes sense. I had already felt safe about it so this just confirms it a little more for me. Thanks. Before this, I couldn't see the point of entering the astral. It is a mess.

I think I'll post this link in the more active thread and see if we can't get Chaol over here.
 Quoting: Unit3


I've no comment on Zulkar. The posts don't make much sense to me. But if some persons here are interested I see no harm in the use of this thread for the occasional Zulkar post. Though at the same time it would be unfair for newcomers to confuse the Zulkar material.
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Yes plus it's a different teaching. One of the questions I asked is are we supposed to integrate that teaching with yours?

I actually asked that question for a reason. I really don't understand starting to teach something different on someone else's thread. We'll see though. I love to find out I'm wrong, heh!
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No. To me it's meaningless. It may have some value to you, which is why I did not say anything about it before.
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All of the beings you meet are you, still a part of your perspective.

But the place I have reserved for us is a place where harm is irrelevant. Unless you had a bad burrito or something lol
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In most cases while in the dream world there are nobody else than me without any visual body.
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In this world do you have a body that looks physical?

If not, perhaps it's a perspective where the physical body does not play a part and the consciousness that you may be looking for is in other places that you have not yet looked.
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Which place is reserved for us Chaol? just your Tree area, or the Sphinx area also?
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It's the same area.

Reserved for my friends here on this forum. Wouldn't you know, many of us are there quite often.
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They're instructions for this world, not necessarily what would be used in my world. Although we do represent there's no need to visualize what is all ready there.

Some of us do alter our breathing patterns so I suppose you could consider this a form of meditation.

I'm not sure what the astral world is but from your description it sounds.. interesting :)
 Quoting: LeKing




Just FYI for you Chaol, besides meditation, here are some of the things "we" do here to transcend ego:

(Ego and Low Self Esteem)

What you will need:

Buy one bottle of 1000-1200mg Omega-3 fish oil.
A quiet place with a mirror where you will not be disturbed.
Complete scilence.

Protocol:
Days 1 to 3, take one fishoil every 6 hours, and be sure to wake up with an alarm to take it every 6 hours. Never miss!

Day 4 is the same, except at 12:00 midnight stand in front of your mirror and just stare into your own eyes for one full hour. Instead ot watching the time which will become a distraction, please set a timer.

Stare into yourself. You will see who you are. You will begin to question yourself, Your ego will step in, but your ego is not who you are. Your inward demonds will come forward... all those little things that have always held you back. Everything, and it may get ugly. That's just your ego. Nothing else. It's not real demons, just your own you've created!

Cry if you need to (which you will I'm sure), but be firm! Your ego will fuck you up here at this point! It is trying to convince you that he is you. He is not! He/it will not let go easily. If and when you have any sort of head pain like headache, that is what you want. It's working.

Continue this another day if needed. You will know when you have gotten control over it!

The fish oil is good for the brain which by the way is made up of mainly omega-3's. It cures psychological problems by balancing.

The mirror is good for the soul by staring into the window of the soul which is the eyes.

Brain/mind and spirit/soul are connected, and can never be separated ever.

Times of doeses every 6 hours even at night teaches discipline.

This is the medicine of the future!"



I had a friend that did something similar. He built a pyramid, put sigils all over it and then stared in a mirror until fire came out of his eyes. It took 30 days!

Here's some of the thinking of why we do things like this, Chaol:

Transcending Ego and Going Beyond Duality

"Do you want to know why you have difficulty feeling 'human'? It's because the core of your true nature/identity is one which supersedes and transcends what it means to be 'human'. There is an element of you that knows this truth, but the nature of our temporary circumstances in this physical world makes it difficult to bring this awareness to the surface. You know you are not the physical body that you see in the mirror but instead infinite spirit/consciousness/energy having a temporary 'human' experience on this Earthly physical plane. It is this veiled inner 'knowing' that you possess that serves to create the rift and the difficulty that you experience when you try to seek your identity within the 'human' experience. You know you are not of this physical world so when you try to identify with experiences that are a product of this world, you feel a sense of inner conflict within. Here's a list of other things which you are not:

- You are not your physical body, your race, or your gender.
- You are not defined by your career or your employment status.
- You are not defined by your relationship with a significant other or your lack of one.
- You are not defined by your relationship with your family members or relatives.
- You are not defined by the brain/ego in your head that pervades your consciousness with self-defeating thoughts.

You are none of these things because all of these things are only a product of the physical world and you know deep down that the core of who you really are transcends this. These are merely 'experiences', 'roles', 'circumstances' that we are exposed to during our temporary incarnation into this physical world to learn and to grow. While the suffering that you experience from your perception of your circumstances is real, it is important to begin to see that the circumstances themselves are NOT the root cause of the pain - it is your PERCEPTION of them. To help yourself you must work to shift your focus away from the external circumstances that you believe to be the cause of your suffering and redirect your focus to your inner 'circumstances'. Try to view your external circumstances as 'inconveniences' rather than any actual threats to your well-being - because the core of who you really are is not threatened by these temporary circumstances of this physical world. You must alter your perception to alter the emotional reaction that you have from these temporary 'circumstances' that you experience. The answers you need are within you and not external to you - you just have to work to find them. This is why you found the antidepressants didn't help you - you cannot find an external physical solution to an inherently internal & spiritual 'ailment'.

As someone who can relate to your description of your life experiences and with the present state of mind that you find yourself in, I understand if what I'm about to say does not immediately register or make sense to you. You see youself as being in the position of having 'lost everything' but I see something very different. I see you as an individual who has endured the necessary hardships in this lifetime to prime yourself to finally be in the position to experience a life-changing breakthrough and stand to GAIN 'everything' in the process. By 'everything' I mean freedom from your fears and to finally find the inner peace you have been searching for. Your experiences thus far in your life have absolutely not been in vain, so do not look back with regret - they serve a very important role in your path of spiritual growth & evolution.

You have to experience this process of losing what you perceived to be your identity before you can truly find yourself. In order to build the real YOU up - you need to experience the falling away of all that is not you. To discover and unlock what works we unfortunately need to experience and find out what doesn't work first! You have already begun the process of distancing yourself from these illusory & false perceptions that do not truly define you - and for that reason I see you as being in an advantageous position and being a step AHEAD of the game. From pain will come pleasure. Just like a woman must endure the pain from her pregnancy and the process of giving birth to create a beautiful new 'life' - you also have to endure the pain and discomfort that you have experienced before you can create and give birth to a 'new' you in the process of reconnecting with your spiritual identity.

What I'm saying is - there is nothing wrong with you! You are par for the course and walking the path that you need to walk in order to find what you've been searching for. Please do not think of harming yourself anymore. The previous 5 attempts failed because you were meant to remain here - you are here for a very important reason. You are presented with a test in this lifetime - a challenge to discover who you truly are. You are here to achieve this endeavor in the face of pain and adversity. You are not here to give up. You are hiking up a mountainside on route to your goal which is the summit. You have to forge ahead no matter how treacherous the terrain seems at times. You do not want to give up and go tumbling down the mountainside only to have to start the slow and painful ascent again from the bottom of the mountain. You've come so far there is no wasting this opportunity you have before you. Every step forward you take no matter how seemingly insigificant - it's PROGRESS towards your goal.

Hang in there. There are many individuals who will read your story and understand what you are going through - for that reason you are not alone. The process of inner transformation of your consciousness is not limited to incremental and gradual/slow 'changes' and improvement. The truth is that exponential breakthroughs will occur when you least expect them to - so you have to push forward. For now you'll have to take my word for it - but in due time you will know this truth first-hand."

 Quoting: Unit3


Thanks, but it sounds a bit complicated.

A lines or two of Ec would suit me better, I suppose.

Then I guess you can say that's it's more about the result than the meditation itself. For me and for this, it is satisfied in the workings of neuronics.
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Just FYI for you Chaol, besides meditation, here are some of the things "we" do here to transcend ego:


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Thanks, but it sounds a bit complicated.

A lines or two of Ec would suit me better, I suppose.

Then I guess you can say that's it's more about the result than the meditation itself. For me and for this, it is satisfied in the workings of neuronics.
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Thanks for checking it out. It is complicated and this is pretty easy compared to what some people practice. Most spend years at it.....and I mean daily, with every thought!

The results they report is that you are ONE with the Divine, once ego is transcended, and will experience bliss. You have spiritual experiences, talk to God and feel One with everything, have a lot of energy, see the world as illusion, don't need much sleep (if at all), visit places all over the universe, other dimensions, and libraries, remember past lives, remember before you came here, etc:.

But, for myself, my spiritual experiences all fit my beliefs at the time. If my beliefs changed, so did my understanding of the experience. So, that's when I began to question what's going on.

Anyway, my husband has been practicing this type thing for probably 20 years or more, and from what I can see, he needs more and more isolation from everything. He actually should live in a monastery. He is now highly sensitive to sights, sounds, colors, smells, food....everything.

I like neuronics because it feels happy, light and natural. And like you say, it's much easier. It isn't about restricting yourself to expand perspective, it's knowing HOW to expand it.

So yes, it's not about the meditation, it's about the results. I've also read there are 2 kinds of "awakening". (We call it awakening or transcending ego.) One is called angelic awakening and the other demonic awakening. The practice for the "angelic" takes years of training too.

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Update on my experience from the shared dream event. I believe there was some kind of healing that took place during that dream.

I have noticed I don't have as many food sensitivities since then. banana2

Remember I said I "ate" through a membrane in that dream? My stomach felt real good while that was happening. 1dunno1

Now, I'm eating things I didn't think I could. WhooHOoo!
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Update on my experience from the shared dream event. I believe there was some kind of healing that took place during that dream.

I have noticed I don't have as many food sensitivities since then. banana2

Remember I said I "ate" through a membrane in that dream? My stomach felt real good while that was happening. 1dunno1

Now, I'm eating things I didn't think I could. WhooHOoo!
 Quoting: Unit3


Could be any number of reasons, from the supergalactic earthquake to a random change in your body, and, yes, how the dream (or thoughts of it) affected you.

But I'm glad you can eat more of what you like, no matter how it happened :)

Though sometimes food allergies or reactions can protect us.

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