Notes from an "alternate universe": Meeting in the new Dream reality

As I mention above, "The symbol itself is entirely neutral. Yes, it is something that you may have known before. With an entirely new symbol we would not be able to bring everyone together. But using this particular symbol does not make the experience negative."

Yes, it's a neutral experience. Any emotions that result come from our discussion rather than the experience of getting there.

The "force" protecting you was a part of you (of course). And of course parts of us fear dramatic change or the unknown, so it makes sense that you were protecting yourself from it.

Others may protect themselves by thinking that the experience will be bad (and thus convince themselves not to try it) or finding something wrong with it even before they try it.

It's normal, and what we do all the time. If we didn't define things we would experience everything at the same time.

See you in the dream!

Can you imagine how horrifying this post will be to the people that believe this is all satanic? I am pretty sure some circles would burn you at the stake. I mean, what would be a good way for his LORD SATAN to catch us in his trap?



I went through the motions earlier today, but thought I'd get there via normal oob techniques instead. Surprisingly, I didn't get there, lol... saw a striped cat run from along side me into a garden and couldn't find it in the flowers (which I got as metaphor for being unable to find the lion headed statue)... that's bout' it.

So tonight, I will follow the instructions. I am really looking forward to hanging out and chatting.

As the Being that I am...I find each tried visit thus far interesting...

wow...now this was a journey.

made me laugh quite a bit too. ive seen the cities, the open space fast travelling and alot of symbols.

i think it was the communication with the symbols can you confirm this Chaol??.

im definitly coming back to see more of this... there is nothing to fear here, only to learn .

can you give more information on what the eagle symbol means...??

I'm trying to think if there are any other gods of war that were also a god of creation....

oh yeah,

YHWH.

As has already been mentioned, or at least intimated if not explicitly described, a god of destruction also has creative powers. I was recently describing the Death card in Tarot (I am a Tarot n00b - don't want to change the subject either, just works for this thread is all) and happened to explain that death and creation (or birth) are two sides of one coin. (and perhaps a better tarot card to compare with is XX, Aeon. Again I'm a n00b, but seems worth mentioning).

This makes perfect sense for what Chaol has been talking about. This perception of creation/destruction stems from the fact that we are projecting duality onto whatever symbol or entity we are experiencing - in this case Chaol has made it entirely clear to treat this merely as a symbol. This is not bad, nothing is bad. Evil is a relative term to good. What is perfect cannot change and is eternal. Therefore if any kind of change is involved, evil is involved. This is good (lol). Evil has a role to play and as long as we understand the purpose of evil then it cannot ever harm us. Love conquers all. What seems to me to be the 'key' to this relationship is that evil and pain are subjective, as in, felt by individuals. Love has to do with expanding identity to a whole, of which the individual is a part. Another aspect/theory is that evil can only exist in the 4th dimension, time, the only dimension where change occurs. If I am correct, the symbol we approach from this world would certainly be one of destruction. When we pass through it would either be one of creation, OR the duality would collapse into a, you guessed it, neutrality.

I also quite like the roller coaster analogy ;).

I am going to try this in less than an hour when i go to sleep. I am not a great lucid dreamer (altho i have had a few) but it's worth a shot. I am entertained about how 'unlike me' it is to try this, but I have been going through an amazing transformation the passed few weeks, and in the process I asked to be visited by any kind of being that could help explain things to me. A lovely coincidence for me.

There is a saying that a certain group or groups have proclaimed that, while I am not a member of said group(s), I cannot help but apply to my personal journey: the method of science, the aim of religion. What is the aim of religion? Unity with the creator, the source, the eternal, the ultimate (i think!). Everything that happens, whether we perceive it as good or bad is for this inevitable purpose.

c.

Freakin awesome!!! : D

So we're supposed to do this in our sleep? Not active meditation?

May I submit that those of us who have had a 'negative' experience while in other worlds or in an out-of-body experience (or whatever you wish to call it) have not actually had that type of experience...

...but have interpreted it as so.

When you focus on having a 'positive' experience "filled with love and light" what you are actually doing is defining its opposite.

We only know of hot by defining what cold is. Thus, both are defined and are experienced. But it is not a direct experience. Rather, it is the interpretation of an experience. A perspective, if you will, based on your definitions.

Further, I submit that the 'hot' depends on 'cold', and thus includes it in its existence.

Those realities where you find "hot" you will also find those "cold" things that define it.

When you say, for example, "I am going to have a positive experience filled with love and light" (or anything similar) then what you're actually doing is creating the experience of the negative (for lack of better terms).

Meaning, you experience these 'bad' things because you are so focused on the good/bad duality. (There is a reason that one is much more likely to commit crimes if one has religious leanings. One constantly struggles with a good/evil paradigm that doesn't actually exist.)

Lastly, I submit that a neutral outlook is best. In such an experience those things are irrelevant are are not even a question.

This neutral experience would be boring and strangely resisted for many (because we depend on the dramas of duality to define ourselves, and to exist) but it is that which is least harmful.

Because help/harm is irrelevant to it.

Some of you will focus on the hot/cold of the water, never having really tasted it to see it is much more than what you think.

Others will just skip the hot/cold drama and just drink the water. The latter experience is perhaps the most nourishing, even though it doesn't seem like it at first.

Laughing is nice :)

I wouldn't want to define the symbols for others any more than I all ready have, though. The more it's done the less likely we are to meet on the same page.

@Chaol,

I am ready to meet you, are you ready to meet me?

I suppose Chaol is either:

1) A crazy guy who "lives in his mothers basement" and who happens to be able to predict weeks in advance when major solar events will occur, time and time again, and use them for supernatural purposes, lastly being [link to www.godlikeproductions.com] and [link to www.godlikeproductions.com]

2) A "4th or 5th" density being who is tricking you into surrendering your soul on the astral plane through devious and innocent-sounding means

3) A "4th or 5th" dimensional being who is utterly confused, although well-intentioned, about the "4th or 5th" dimension.

4) Satan himself! Run for your lives. The destroyer cometh.

5) Mickey Mouse in the beloved Disney tale 'Fantasia'.

6) One of your personalities, providing entertainment for you to enjoy

7) Who he says he is. But, still, run for your lives!

8) One who spews lies and truth mixed together in a witch's brew for your clear demise

9) The Ginger Bread Man. Or maybe the Muffin Man. Depends on which day.

The funny thing to me is the nature and quantity of posts that the above provokes.

This is the point where we begin to focus more on the messenger and the message breaks down. Isn't it what normally happens?

Focusing on each other, we are defined and feel our existence. Highly attractive.

Focusing on ideas dictates that we question our own physicality and existence. Highly resisted.

Consider it lite entertainment. Those who know better, will.

I'm ready. But are you really ready? :)

Is there any question I can try to answer for you?

You are number 5, right?

That's brilliant. I vote for 1-9. It all depends on your perception.

As they say, as ready as I'll ever be. Whatever questions need answering will come about naturally I presume.

Imagine that you met a being from an other world that told you he would return in one month to show you how you could travel through space and time by putting your legs and arms in the air whilst saying 3 words to yourself.

You got excited about the possibility of doing it, and was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. What harm could result?

After one month the stranger returned to tell you how you could do it. Yes, you must spread your arms and legs in the air but you must do so while jumping from a 66-story building.

"WTF?!" You exclaim. "Why must it be done this way?"

The stranger then proceeds to tell you that you could travel through space and time any way of your choosing, as long as you say the three words while spreading your arms and legs.

All manner of responses result. "He wants to have me killed!", "Spread my legs? He wants to rape me in another dimension!", "Why must it be 66 stories? That is the mark of the devil!", et c.

All the while ignoring that you do not have to be on top of the building to experience it.

Some actually do try it and report that, indeed, they did not die nor have a bad experience. Still, others do not want to try. The fear of something very different is, of course, understood.

But here's the funny thing (and the purpose for the exercise). During that month people have thought about the possibility. They have seen other people try it and they themselves now know it is possible.

Some people then go on to develop their own methods to achieve the same results. A stationary truck, a jump from a staircase supported by a mattress, running fast, a new dance, etc. All of these trials (and successes) would not have occured if the man said simply "say these 3 words" and most failed because their pronunciation was off.

If the man did not say "...while jumping off of an 89-story building" then very few would think about alternatives.

The addition of this part means that a great percentage of persons have the experience sometime in the near future rather than a small percentage.

Reality has changed for each of them. The same as has been experienced for the previous years. But few realize the change that has occured. Even fewer make the connections between the Karate Kid-like teachings and their new reality.

Then the man goes back to playing chess-not-checkers, and no one is the wiser.

This is why I love reading your posts Chaol... Always coming back, responding with humour.
Went to bed with the intention to try the instructions, but I don't recall reaching the meeting place tonight.

Chaol


You see so much but yet not what counts. A light that you don't see. As the separation will continue, unless believed.

For the separation in the end gains you nothing. As nothing comes from nothing!!!!! But only life......from life!

You will have a chance to see as it is written everyone can and will.


Thank you.......O.........Thank you
Jesus Christ who is eternal and forever.
Amen

I'd feel more comfortable participating if the maestro was of the "service to other's" polarity and not admittedly ending this world "for himself"

Care to comment on that one Chaol?

Hope to see you tonight, then :)

It would be quite difficult to comment on every interpretation of my words.

The things of which I speak are actually quite normal and that which you do all ready.

Service to others and polarity? I suppose I did not properly explain my position on duality and its ultimate lack of meaning.

I started, saw a black vortex or wormhole, travelled down it some way, kind of like going to another galaxy and then decided to come back. Thanks for the opportunity to participate chaol.

Hmm i was not in your world but in usa tonight. visites one family. Later i was a spectator (like a ghost) of 3 middleaged woman who tried to have fun in the city and met 3 man.
Spectated how they spent time :) Not saw any of your symbols :/ Had only 20s-30s of lucid state tonit. :// Floated in this position [link to wide-wallpapers.net] till i become light and wakeup

Last Edited by Newbie Dreamer on 06/15/2012 05:22 AM

Guys, his "GF" in this reality is "channelling" him. She is the one typing on the keyboard. That's why he says things like, "when I am more tactile", cos he doesn't have a body in our world as yet (just his "GF's" body - ie, channel.

IMO.

I'm not sure if what I felt was the actual experience.

I was full awake in the dark and then started to see some complex lights and pathways.

Has anyone had this same experience or were my eyes tricking me ?

i went to bed, did all the keys,
then "all of a sudden" it was 2 am and i'm in bed wide awake
thinking "what was i THINKIKNG about all that time!?"
i don't know if i was asleep or not :/
no memories of anything interesting otherwise

Hi Chaol,

I had quite the night and a lot of laughs, but not sure if I was where you said or in another dream world. Reason why is I am not good at vizualization. By that I mean I do not see images/symbols with my eyes closed in the same way I do when open. When closed I saw the lion image you gave, garden etc but it was more sensory then the way it would be if one was looking with their eyes. It is very clear and defined.

First I am wondering was I there at the meeting place or did I go to another place. Some details. Well apart from a lot of laughter and plays on words and word association can you let me know if the following information confirms if I was there. The tree I was under was a willow tree, I then moved to a bench, and someone was there - guessing you. We talked and did some game playing, will tell you what in next post if you can confirm you. One thing I will say as might help you know if it was me. I had set my alarm, In real world as wanted to get up, and not sleep all night as needed to take care of something. I had set the alarm for 12.02am. At one point we had a good life about this as the time I set the alarm has a significance for me, but did not realize until you pointed it out. Does that to you mean anything and was i with you?

If so, the alarm did go off, woke up turned it off and went back to sleep. Went straight into more lucid/dreams. Very vivid some of them. Laughed hard, and lots of plays on words.

I just woke up. i didn't remember anything : (

Is there any question I can try to answer for you?


Hey Chaol i tried visualizing Sekmeht as i went to bed but it never felt like she was physically before me Yet i did fall asleep only to wake at 2am then falling back to sleep and waking up as if i slept all day im guessing i forgot everything that happened or nothing happened. Is there any way to recall this dream