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| Ozicell User ID: 18112737 06/17/2012 11:46 PM ![]() Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Ozicell By the will of man - not God! Grace is Unconditional Love - it requires no payment, rather it desires that you accept its Loving embrace! Erm, sacrifice is a payment for peoples sin, not a payment for God's Love, right? God's Love payed for out sin through Jesus, so that's what we accept. Maybe we are talking about different things. =P God requires NO payment for sin. Think of a baby learning to walk. They fall continually until they get it right and in the process the parents continually help them until they get it right. After they have finally mastered it, they don't need the parents assistance for walking any more, however, they need their parents assistance in many other challenges they face while growing up. The only thing the the Father requires of us in exchange for sin is that we accept His help and His Loving embrace and that we never give up trying to overcome! So then..... 1 John 1:7-9 "But if we are living in the light, as God is in the light, then we have fellowship with each other, and the blood of Jesus, his Son, cleanses us from all sin. If we claim we have no sin, we are only fooling ourselves and not living in the truth. But if we confess our sins to him, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all wickedness." ...if sin requires no payment, doesn't that mean that 1) God is not a God of justice, and 2) Jesus did not need to die on the cross, since our sin requires no payment. I don't see how that works. =P First clarify your definition of sin for me, please try not to use bible passages but if you must - then it's ok. Please note that I am asking for YOUR definition - not someone else's. Having said that, I am aware that our personal opinions and definitions can be shaped by the opinions of others but not necessarily always. I have been in Christian ministry for over 35 years and I have heard many opinions on the subject and IMHO only very few are close to being correct. But then again, I AM speaking of MHO! That which is - has already been, And what is to be - has already been. Quote: King Solomon. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1190661 06/18/2012 12:53 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17832139 Erm, sacrifice is a payment for peoples sin, not a payment for God's Love, right? God's Love payed for out sin through Jesus, so that's what we accept. Maybe we are talking about different things. =P God requires NO payment for sin. Think of a baby learning to walk. They fall continually until they get it right and in the process the parents continually help them until they get it right. After they have finally mastered it, they don't need the parents assistance for walking any more, however, they need their parents assistance in many other challenges they face while growing up. The only thing the the Father requires of us in exchange for sin is that we accept His help and His Loving embrace and that we never give up trying to overcome! So then..... 1 John 1:7-9 "But if we are living in the light, as God is in the light, then we have fellowship with each other, and the blood of Jesus, his Son, cleanses us from all sin. If we claim we have no sin, we are only fooling ourselves and not living in the truth. But if we confess our sins to him, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all wickedness." ...if sin requires no payment, doesn't that mean that 1) God is not a God of justice, and 2) Jesus did not need to die on the cross, since our sin requires no payment. I don't see how that works. =P First clarify your definition of sin for me, please try not to use bible passages but if you must - then it's ok. Please note that I am asking for YOUR definition - not someone else's. Having said that, I am aware that our personal opinions and definitions can be shaped by the opinions of others but not necessarily always. I have been in Christian ministry for over 35 years and I have heard many opinions on the subject and IMHO only very few are close to being correct. But then again, I AM speaking of MHO! So you have been in Christian ministry for over 35 years. But do you tell the truth in that ministry? Do you preach more what man said or do you preach actually what Jesus said? How do you explain the massive dicrepancies in the various teachings? Do you truly teach what the Bible says or the usual mumbo jumba that is factually wrong? What do you say to my posts on Biblical matters? If Jesus said it is it true? Is the Bible inerrant and infallible? |
| Illuminatvs Primvs User ID: 10848557 06/18/2012 01:22 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Ozicell God requires NO payment for sin. Think of a baby learning to walk. They fall continually until they get it right and in the process the parents continually help them until they get it right. After they have finally mastered it, they don't need the parents assistance for walking any more, however, they need their parents assistance in many other challenges they face while growing up. The only thing the the Father requires of us in exchange for sin is that we accept His help and His Loving embrace and that we never give up trying to overcome! So then..... 1 John 1:7-9 "But if we are living in the light, as God is in the light, then we have fellowship with each other, and the blood of Jesus, his Son, cleanses us from all sin. If we claim we have no sin, we are only fooling ourselves and not living in the truth. But if we confess our sins to him, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all wickedness." ...if sin requires no payment, doesn't that mean that 1) God is not a God of justice, and 2) Jesus did not need to die on the cross, since our sin requires no payment. I don't see how that works. =P First clarify your definition of sin for me, please try not to use bible passages but if you must - then it's ok. Please note that I am asking for YOUR definition - not someone else's. Having said that, I am aware that our personal opinions and definitions can be shaped by the opinions of others but not necessarily always. I have been in Christian ministry for over 35 years and I have heard many opinions on the subject and IMHO only very few are close to being correct. But then again, I AM speaking of MHO! So you have been in Christian ministry for over 35 years. But do you tell the truth in that ministry? Do you preach more what man said or do you preach actually what Jesus said? How do you explain the massive dicrepancies in the various teachings? Do you truly teach what the Bible says or the usual mumbo jumba that is factually wrong? What do you say to my posts on Biblical matters? If Jesus said it is it true? Is the Bible inerrant and infallible? Infallabilities do not exist. "13013" |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 17832139 06/18/2012 01:28 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17832139 Erm, sacrifice is a payment for peoples sin, not a payment for God's Love, right? God's Love payed for out sin through Jesus, so that's what we accept. Maybe we are talking about different things. =P God requires NO payment for sin. Think of a baby learning to walk. They fall continually until they get it right and in the process the parents continually help them until they get it right. After they have finally mastered it, they don't need the parents assistance for walking any more, however, they need their parents assistance in many other challenges they face while growing up. The only thing the the Father requires of us in exchange for sin is that we accept His help and His Loving embrace and that we never give up trying to overcome! So then..... 1 John 1:7-9 "But if we are living in the light, as God is in the light, then we have fellowship with each other, and the blood of Jesus, his Son, cleanses us from all sin. If we claim we have no sin, we are only fooling ourselves and not living in the truth. But if we confess our sins to him, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all wickedness." ...if sin requires no payment, doesn't that mean that 1) God is not a God of justice, and 2) Jesus did not need to die on the cross, since our sin requires no payment. I don't see how that works. =P First clarify your definition of sin for me, please try not to use bible passages but if you must - then it's ok. Please note that I am asking for YOUR definition - not someone else's. Having said that, I am aware that our personal opinions and definitions can be shaped by the opinions of others but not necessarily always. I have been in Christian ministry for over 35 years and I have heard many opinions on the subject and IMHO only very few are close to being correct. But then again, I AM speaking of MHO! Wells, I think I would call sin any action (and maybe even thought) that you either know is wrong, hurts someone, or is against God's law. So basically when you cross the boundaries that God has set in place. (I know this is based off of Bible verses, but if sin is breaking a moral law, I have to have a moral code to break, mine happens to be from the Bible, so yeah...) When Adam and Eve sinned (broke the boundary that God set in place), well, shit happened. ^ my $0.02. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 3810573 06/18/2012 01:57 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Thus says The Lord: My sons, I speak now in your hearing, for in you I am well pleased. For you have sought to understand My judgments and seek to accept My punishments, though you are in no way able to touch the heart of The Lord, in that you could endure My sorrow; nor are you yet able to accept the full degree of My punishment. For My anger is kindled and has become a raging fire!... All-consuming!... An all-encompassing, purging fire, Wiping away all evil and sin from off the land! You have sought to understand “a life for a life”, and behold you do indeed see dimly, even with frustrated eyes. Thus I shall tell you plainly: From the beginning the decree went forth and was upheld, that a life which is taken shall be repaid by the death of the guilty, and it was so. Yet in the days of Moses this was not done by the judgment of man, but according to the judgement of God, for in those days My voice yet remained with My people. Behold, all who have sinned since that time have taken their own lives, and thus a life must be given. For the penalty of sin is death, and without the shedding of blood there can be no remission. Thus I came down in the flesh, and offered up My life in place of the guilty, bearing the full weight of their transgression in My own body... A Life for a life. Yet understand this also: To receive of My life, one must also accept My life through sincere repentance; and if one refuses The Gift, then the same remains under My punishment, which is death. Thus I tell you plainly, and though your hearts shall sink within your chests and tears shall come, it must be, for the sin of abortion is very grievous: For every fifty million babies slain at the hands of men, I shall take the life of one billion of those who dwell upon the earth, who were in agreement! For they will not repent! Behold, even I shall bring calamity upon the millions who stood idly by! I AM THE LORD. In this one thing is the justice of God revealed: Vengeance is Mine, I shall repay... For punishment of the wicked rests solely upon My shoulders, In which I take no pleasure at all... Even as salvation rested solely upon The Son of Man, In which I was well pleased... Therefore, He shall be your judge, Even as He is also your Savior, says The Lord. Therefore My sons, stumble not over the letter of My words, nor seek to understand by calculation, but see with greater eyes, see with your heart; understand the magnitude, stare not at the letter... Look upon My speech through tears, grasp the power of My words in sorrow, look upon My face as I stretch out My hand in My strength; taste My tears as I bring death upon them, look into My eyes as I destroy the cities of men... My sons, are you able to drink from this cup? Can you endure My pain? Will your life not pass from you, under the full weight of this revelation? Behold, man is but stubble before the blade, Grass under the shadow of burning trees in a deep forest of sin, Sand at the bottom of a dark ocean of transgression... Yet I am mindful of him... My heart knows each one. Thus those whom I send must be remade, they must be transformed, they must eat from The Tree of Life, partaking also from the tree of knowledge. They must become as adamant stones, with their hearts refashioned, new hearts which beat in sync with Mine... Or how shall I send them? Says The Lord. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 18094233 06/18/2012 02:40 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | When the preachers know NOTHING more about GOD than you do... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14770674 Have they met him? Do they know ANYTHING more about him than you do? YOU have a bible just like them..... Does GOD like them better and relay messages to them? NOPE. They are imperfect people same as you. The pope himself knows NOTHING more about GOD than you do right now. Why go listen to someone TELL you what to believe? not only that but the pope doesn't CARE to know Him He will however be granted a first person audience when he least expects it and on the first day of the Millinneum he'll be on both knees right along with the rest oh what a sight it will be... well worth suffering all nine levels of hell ie Dantes Inferno in the interim to have a ring side seat to such ; ) ahhh you just can't conjure up any form of fiction anywhere near as brilliant as the truth that's about to unfold |
| RaXz User ID: 2557891 06/18/2012 01:31 PM ![]() Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What are pastors the only ones who God speaks to? I don't think so. Anyone who has a personal relationhip with God can do the same....churches are hypocritical anymore these days. Quoting: wildbutterfly2112 Nah, most to children, who is less hears more, adults are usually so full of shit that they start to fling it at each other, and then wonder why the earth starts to get brown. “Love is like the wind, you can't see it but you can feel it.” -Nicholas Sparks Envy yearns to find flaws. -Wayne Gerard Trotman “We never look beyond our assumptions and what's worse, we have given up trying to meet others; we just meet ourselves.” -Muriel Barbery "I may just be a little candle In your life. I may burn out and melt after a little while. But I wish within that time, My light touches your heart... Even for a while..." -unknown |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 3393413 06/19/2012 05:48 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | millions of people= millions of different ideas. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14770674 Who is right? Who is wrong? Who does not care? I speak to God. Perhaps one day soon....he will speak back. If you continue inmy word - read teh bible - then you will be my deciple indeed and you shall know then you shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free. john 8: 31-32 |
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| bendinglight User ID: 2143478 06/20/2012 12:29 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | millions of people= millions of different ideas. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14770674 Who is right? Who is wrong? Who does not care? I speak to God. Perhaps one day soon....he will speak back. If you continue inmy word - read teh bible - then you will be my deciple indeed and you shall know then you shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free. john 8: 31-32 The "truth" is that the Bible is a fiction story written by MAN not God! ![]() |
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| RaXz User ID: 2557891 06/20/2012 02:27 AM ![]() Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Winter will first have to come before the leaves reveal the trunk. “Love is like the wind, you can't see it but you can feel it.” -Nicholas Sparks Envy yearns to find flaws. -Wayne Gerard Trotman “We never look beyond our assumptions and what's worse, we have given up trying to meet others; we just meet ourselves.” -Muriel Barbery "I may just be a little candle In your life. I may burn out and melt after a little while. But I wish within that time, My light touches your heart... Even for a while..." -unknown |
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| Renaissance Woman User ID: 10737781 10/09/2012 07:03 AM ![]() Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | They're all false now. The churches are false. The pastors are false. The elders are false. The people sitting in the pews are false. The singers are false. The organ player is false. Quoting: SuperWoman Why go to church? No, reason here to go, I don't go. I just got smacked upside the head by this in the past week. By everyone you have listed here. Whatever you do, do not point out their falsehoods. You may get a nasty letter telling you that you are divisive and malicious. (Those were the only words they were willing to put to put in writing. They called me the wedge of Satan to my face a number of times, but still deny they ever said it.) I'm staying away now. I hear God's voice and feel his love when I pray privately at home. I guess Jesus was right -- pray in private. "For with thee is the fountain of life: in thy light shall we see light." |