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Question for Christians--Crystals

 
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Question:

What verse in the bible tells us not to utilize crystals?
 Quoting: D'Light


There is no verse..

In effect what you are doing is putting your trust and faith in a piece of rock, you should put your faith and trust in God and Jesus which CAN provide all things necesary.

That would be the same as praying to a false god.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17984032


It depends on how it's used and what is in the users heart, imo. It's not a God, even the witchy people wouldn't consider crystals a god.
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Almost EVERYTHING we know is made out of crystals - ALL metals are crystalline, glass is crystalline, water is crystalline, wood is crystalline your body is mostly crystalline, in fact anything based on carbon is crystalline!

Are all these things rejected by God?
 Quoting: Ozicell


Good point.
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I think God is more lenient than the Bible anyway
 Quoting: MONSTER


Every time God forgives us, He demonstrates that His rules are less important to Him than the relationship He wants to have with each of us.
 Quoting: Life and Love


That's beautiful.
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Any kind of sorcery is an abomination to god.
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Define sorcery and let me know how it relates to my question if you don't mind.
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sor·cer·y (sôrs-r)
n.
Use of supernatural power over others through the assistance of spirits; witchcraft.


You must think of crystals as spirit traps: spirits get caught in the rigid structure of the crystal.

When you use a stone, you actually use the powers of the spirit within that crystal.

That is sorcery, and an abomination to God.

God Hates Crystals.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1280484


WRONG. The levites used to crystals in the services of God. They where amongst Israel the most Spiritual People.
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Crystals are a New Age thing. They are used to channel and focus spiritual energies...which is a form of divination. Therefore it is not acceptable to God. Sorry, but there it is.
 Quoting: Bizzarro Boy


Thank you for sharing your opinion.

I happen to disagree with your thinking that focusing on them is a form of divination (if it is then it's definitely no worse than the radio or tv). I believe because of their structure they are basically amplifiers. So, if I focus on my own thoughts trying to form exactly what I want to improve upon or change then the crystal may help that become clear to me. Then I can take this to Jesus/God in prayer.

I totally believe I can just take anything to God without any man or thing as an intercessor but I do think that some of us have a harder time with focus. I don't see this as divination, sorry.
 Quoting: D'Light


An analogy I use frequently (because of my day job) is that crystals are high quality resonant filters, and what frequencies are filtered out and what frequencies are enhanced depends on the characteristics and cut of the crystal.

And I can see how frequency enhancement (reinforcement, resonance) is like amplification.

Here is a technical article with far more info that you probably ever wanted to see! :)

[link to www.jauch.de]
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I think God is more lenient than the Bible anyway
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Every time God forgives us, He demonstrates that His rules are less important to Him than the relationship He wants to have with each of us.
 Quoting: Life and Love


That's beautiful.
 Quoting: D'Light


A quote from the same book I got the other one. :)
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Crystals are a New Age thing. They are used to channel and focus spiritual energies...which is a form of divination. Therefore it is not acceptable to God. Sorry, but there it is.
 Quoting: Bizzarro Boy


Thank you for sharing your opinion.

I happen to disagree with your thinking that focusing on them is a form of divination (if it is then it's definitely no worse than the radio or tv). I believe because of their structure they are basically amplifiers. So, if I focus on my own thoughts trying to form exactly what I want to improve upon or change then the crystal may help that become clear to me. Then I can take this to Jesus/God in prayer.

I totally believe I can just take anything to God without any man or thing as an intercessor but I do think that some of us have a harder time with focus. I don't see this as divination, sorry.
 Quoting: D'Light


An analogy I use frequently (because of my day job) is that crystals are high quality resonant filters, and what frequencies are filtered out and what frequencies are enhanced depends on the characteristics and cut of the crystal.

And I can see how frequency enhancement (reinforcement, resonance) is like amplification.

Here is a technical article with far more info that you probably ever wanted to see! :)

[link to www.jauch.de]
 Quoting: Life and Love


Thanks for the link, I will read it when I can retain it better, not good near the end of the day-lol.

Yes, a filter for the extra not needed stuff so the rest is amplified.
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If you ask me, it depends on how their used.
If they are used for a spiritual reason then they are witchcraft, as in putting your faith into an object rather than God.
as far as tv's and cellphones those crystals are used as a functioning purpose, not in place of what God can do.
 Quoting: Krime 15335079


I don't see how tv is functional for a Christian household in almost all cases.

Cellphones can eventually be used by deceiving spirits since now our voices are all recorded.

Really what you are saying can be used for good or bad but you are calling it functional. If a quartz crystal helps me relax, isn't that functional? Maybe I should be praying to God to help me relax though and that's a legitimate concern but if that is true and should be practiced then people should give up their prescriptions, also or perhaps if they listen to classical music to relax, that too is a sin if they should be talking to God about it. Now if they aren't listening to it to relax but for enjoyment that should be okay, but if the intent is to relax, do you think that listening to classical music is a sin?
 Quoting: D'Light


Hello OP,

You make a good point.

Intent. It is about intent... and scripture (and our Spirit) tells us that God will judge the intent and motivation of each persons heart.

Only God knows the intents of the heart and the mind of each and every creature and only God is able to judge truly justly and righteously - knowing all things.

But we will all give an account of our thoughts and words and deeds, whether they are good or evil intents.

May we all make every effort to be found spotless, blameless and at peace with him at His appearing.

God Bless.

peace,
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Beautiful reply.hf
 Quoting: D'Light


Agreehf
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Any kind of sorcery is an abomination to god.
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Define sorcery and let me know how it relates to my question if you don't mind.
 Quoting: D'Light


sor·cer·y (sôrs-r)
n.
Use of supernatural power over others through the assistance of spirits; witchcraft.


You must think of crystals as spirit traps: spirits get caught in the rigid structure of the crystal.

When you use a stone, you actually use the powers of the spirit within that crystal.

That is sorcery, and an abomination to God.

God Hates Crystals.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1280484


WRONG. The levites used to crystals in the services of God. They where amongst Israel the most Spiritual People.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14328296


Crystals can be used in a very negative manner.
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Crystals are a New Age thing. They are used to channel and focus spiritual energies...which is a form of divination. Therefore it is not acceptable to God. Sorry, but there it is.
 Quoting: Bizzarro Boy


"A New Age thing..." really? They are millions of years old. Nothing new bout that.

Really, Christians? Afraid of rocks made by God? Ok, I get the intent part. I have used them for divination and also had had commumication with some of my crystals. GASP. My home looks like a rock shop. Lol. I consider them my elders.
They have been very helpful to me and sometimes they even kick my ass. ( Energy). Oh, I am not a christian but a follower of the Christ.
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Crystals are a New Age thing. They are used to channel and focus spiritual energies...which is a form of divination. Therefore it is not acceptable to God. Sorry, but there it is.
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"A New Age thing..." really? They are millions of years old. Nothing new bout that.

Really, Christians? Afraid of rocks made by God? Ok, I get the intent part. I have used them for divination and also had had commumication with some of my crystals. GASP. My home looks like a rock shop. Lol. I consider them my elders.
They have been very helpful to me and sometimes they even kick my ass. ( Energy). Oh, I am not a christian but a follower of the Christ.
 Quoting: Rebecca 17354887


Jesus Christ as is written the Bible or a different Christ?

Obviously, I wouldn't use them in the manner you do, but we are all from the earth and will end up back in there one way or another and our flesh becomes part of the earth, too.

I like using them in the bath! My quarts and citrine.
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Almost EVERYTHING we know is made out of crystals - ALL metals are crystalline, glass is crystalline, water is crystalline, wood is crystalline your body is mostly crystalline, in fact anything based on carbon is crystalline!

Are all these things rejected by God?
 Quoting: Ozicell


Good point.
 Quoting: D'Light


Personally, I don't listen to the naysayers and bible thumpers as they generally can't agree amongst themselves anyway!
hf
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Almost EVERYTHING we know is made out of crystals - ALL metals are crystalline, glass is crystalline, water is crystalline, wood is crystalline your body is mostly crystalline, in fact anything based on carbon is crystalline!

Are all these things rejected by God?
 Quoting: Ozicell


Good point.
 Quoting: D'Light


Personally, I don't listen to the naysayers and bible thumpers as they generally can't agree amongst themselves anyway!
hf
 Quoting: Ozicell


That's really true. I'm a Bible thumper myself and I know there are things that everyone disagrees on, that's why there is so many denominations and in a way, I think that may even be healthy but it's hard on net, because everyone has their own beliefs--even if the primary one is the same.
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Almost EVERYTHING we know is made out of crystals - ALL metals are crystalline, glass is crystalline, water is crystalline, wood is crystalline your body is mostly crystalline, in fact anything based on carbon is crystalline!

Are all these things rejected by God?
 Quoting: Ozicell


Good point.
 Quoting: D'Light


Personally, I don't listen to the naysayers and bible thumpers as they generally can't agree amongst themselves anyway!
hf
 Quoting: Ozicell


That's really true. I'm a Bible thumper myself and I know there are things that everyone disagrees on, that's why there is so many denominations and in a way, I think that may even be healthy but it's hard on net, because everyone has their own beliefs--even if the primary one is the same.
 Quoting: D'Light


An this medium isn't particularly conducive to more than throwing spears at each other. (As evidenced by 99% of the posts)
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OP, the only Christ.

Recently this girl at work came with deep, nasty cuts on her arms. I recognized the cutter. Most people might embarassedly look away but I went right to her and asked what was going on.
Turns out she had had a long history of sexual abuse from her step father. Now she is a mother and wife but experienceing flash-backs and anxiety. Sad! I went into my
intuition ( given from God, I might add) and amythyst came up for her help. I loaned her my amythyst necklace and hoped it would help.
We have diff schedules so I didnt see her for a bit but a couple weeks later, I saw her walking in and her make up was good, her step was lively. She came to me later and said the rocks had helped bring her bi polar from really high and really low, to very medium. Was it divination?
Was it placebo?

Does it matter?
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OP, the only Christ.

Recently this girl at work came with deep, nasty cuts on her arms. I recognized the cutter. Most people might embarassedly look away but I went right to her and asked what was going on.
Turns out she had had a long history of sexual abuse from her step father. Now she is a mother and wife but experienceing flash-backs and anxiety. Sad! I went into my
intuition ( given from God, I might add) and amythyst came up for her help. I loaned her my amythyst necklace and hoped it would help.
We have diff schedules so I didnt see her for a bit but a couple weeks later, I saw her walking in and her make up was good, her step was lively. She came to me later and said the rocks had helped bring her bi polar from really high and really low, to very medium. Was it divination?
Was it placebo?

Does it matter?
 Quoting: Rebecca 17354887


In my opinion, no it wasn't. My belief in the crystals is the same as a sound coming from a tuba when you blow into it. It's not divination, it's the structure of the tuba and how you interact with it.

This is my opinion, so everyone should only do what is comfortable for them but I believe the sound comes from the tuba with a persons help without needing any spirit help. We can't hear the sound of a crystal but it still works with frequencies, again, imo.
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OP, the only Christ.

Recently this girl at work came with deep, nasty cuts on her arms. I recognized the cutter. Most people might embarassedly look away but I went right to her and asked what was going on.
Turns out she had had a long history of sexual abuse from her step father. Now she is a mother and wife but experienceing flash-backs and anxiety. Sad! I went into my
intuition ( given from God, I might add) and amythyst came up for her help. I loaned her my amythyst necklace and hoped it would help.
We have diff schedules so I didnt see her for a bit but a couple weeks later, I saw her walking in and her make up was good, her step was lively. She came to me later and said the rocks had helped bring her bi polar from really high and really low, to very medium. Was it divination?
Was it placebo?

Does it matter?
 Quoting: Rebecca 17354887



In my heart, God helped me help her. And I am very grateful for that.
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Good point.
 Quoting: D'Light


Personally, I don't listen to the naysayers and bible thumpers as they generally can't agree amongst themselves anyway!
hf
 Quoting: Ozicell


That's really true. I'm a Bible thumper myself and I know there are things that everyone disagrees on, that's why there is so many denominations and in a way, I think that may even be healthy but it's hard on net, because everyone has their own beliefs--even if the primary one is the same.
 Quoting: D'Light


An this medium isn't particularly conducive to more than throwing spears at each other. (As evidenced by 99% of the posts)

 Quoting: Life and Love


I've noticed.
It's a shame because it hurts the witness aspect but maybe it's just sport for some, sharpening their verse skills.
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OP, the only Christ.

Recently this girl at work came with deep, nasty cuts on her arms. I recognized the cutter. Most people might embarassedly look away but I went right to her and asked what was going on.
Turns out she had had a long history of sexual abuse from her step father. Now she is a mother and wife but experienceing flash-backs and anxiety. Sad! I went into my
intuition ( given from God, I might add) and amythyst came up for her help. I loaned her my amythyst necklace and hoped it would help.
We have diff schedules so I didnt see her for a bit but a couple weeks later, I saw her walking in and her make up was good, her step was lively. She came to me later and said the rocks had helped bring her bi polar from really high and really low, to very medium. Was it divination?
Was it placebo?

Does it matter?
 Quoting: Rebecca 17354887



In my heart, God helped me help her. And I am very grateful for that.
 Quoting: Rebecca 17354887


I believe that, too and I didn't mean to skip over that aspect.
Personally, the crystal was a reminder to concern and may even have your concern recorded in it. Do I think the crystal had a spirit in it? No, but I do admit may hold intent from you, so not spirit but essence perhaps and I do find those 2 different things. These are tools, but we don't NEED them.
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Some people listen to affirming tapes. So, what would be the difference with concern focused on a crystal? I had a Catholic friend give me a rosary--I'm not Catholic but appreciated the intent and it reminded me of her concern. My wedding ring reminds me of certain things, too. I don't find any of the above sinful but lovely.
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OP, the only Christ.

Recently this girl at work came with deep, nasty cuts on her arms. I recognized the cutter. Most people might embarassedly look away but I went right to her and asked what was going on.
Turns out she had had a long history of sexual abuse from her step father. Now she is a mother and wife but experienceing flash-backs and anxiety. Sad! I went into my
intuition ( given from God, I might add) and amythyst came up for her help. I loaned her my amythyst necklace and hoped it would help.
We have diff schedules so I didnt see her for a bit but a couple weeks later, I saw her walking in and her make up was good, her step was lively. She came to me later and said the rocks had helped bring her bi polar from really high and really low, to very medium. Was it divination?
Was it placebo?

Does it matter?
 Quoting: Rebecca 17354887



In my heart, God helped me help her. And I am very grateful for that.
 Quoting: Rebecca 17354887


I believe that, too and I didn't mean to skip over that aspect.
Personally, the crystal was a reminder to concern and may even have your concern recorded in it. Do I think the crystal had a spirit in it? No, but I do admit may hold intent from you, so not spirit but essence perhaps and I do find those 2 different things. These are tools, but we don't NEED them.
 Quoting: D'Light


I think in this case, someone finally listened to her and gave a solution. Is there a spirit in crystals? Yes, like theres life in plants, water, etc. It's all conscienceness. God gave us life, but he also knew life would be challenging here. Mercy! So he gave us the tools we need. It's up to us to be afraid of them or misinformed.
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Do I think a spirit is capable of residing in a crystal?
I don't know. Probably. If someone can give me a prayer cloth with intent on it, I'm sure other objects have 'invisible matter/oxymoron' in them. It just depends on what kind.
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Some people listen to affirming tapes. So, what would be the difference with concern focused on a crystal? I had a Catholic friend give me a rosary--I'm not Catholic but appreciated the intent and it reminded me of her concern. My wedding ring reminds me of certain things, too. I don't find any of the above sinful but lovely.
 Quoting: D'Light


Since it is we who impart meaning to our symbols, the symbols themselves are inherently "empty" of meaning, whether crystals, Christmas trees, or the Cross.
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Some people listen to affirming tapes. So, what would be the difference with concern focused on a crystal? I had a Catholic friend give me a rosary--I'm not Catholic but appreciated the intent and it reminded me of her concern. My wedding ring reminds me of certain things, too. I don't find any of the above sinful but lovely.
 Quoting: D'Light


Since it is we who impart meaning to our symbols, the symbols themselves are inherently "empty" of meaning, whether crystals, Christmas trees, or the Cross.
 Quoting: Life and Love


Yes, I agree. I think statues of owls are neat but I can't get that particular one because it does remind me of the occult. It's weird what triggers us and how it can be things so different than another.
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Some people listen to affirming tapes. So, what would be the difference with concern focused on a crystal? I had a Catholic friend give me a rosary--I'm not Catholic but appreciated the intent and it reminded me of her concern. My wedding ring reminds me of certain things, too. I don't find any of the above sinful but lovely.
 Quoting: D'Light


Since it is we who impart meaning to our symbols, the symbols themselves are inherently "empty" of meaning, whether crystals, Christmas trees, or the Cross.
 Quoting: Life and Love


Yes, I agree. I think statues of owls are neat but I can't get that particular one because it does remind me of the occult. It's weird what triggers us and how it can be things so different than another.
 Quoting: D'Light


Fascinating, too! hf

I like this thread as it is a specific illustration of something that evokes that wide range of feeling.
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Some people listen to affirming tapes. So, what would be the difference with concern focused on a crystal? I had a Catholic friend give me a rosary--I'm not Catholic but appreciated the intent and it reminded me of her concern. My wedding ring reminds me of certain things, too. I don't find any of the above sinful but lovely.
 Quoting: D'Light


Since it is we who impart meaning to our symbols, the symbols themselves are inherently "empty" of meaning, whether crystals, Christmas trees, or the Cross.
 Quoting: Life and Love


Yes, I agree. I think statues of owls are neat but I can't get that particular one because it does remind me of the occult. It's weird what triggers us and how it can be things so different than another.
 Quoting: D'Light


Fascinating, too! hf

I like this thread as it is a specific illustration of something that evokes that wide range of feeling.
 Quoting: Life and Love


hf
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Btw, now that I think about it, what is the difference between praying over a prayer cloth to give to someone and a crystal?

Is there any?

Obviously, I wouldn't do it with certain types because they have a fear of crystals.
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Btw, now that I think about it, what is the difference between praying over a prayer cloth to give to someone and a crystal?

Is there any?

Obviously, I wouldn't do it with certain types because they have a fear of crystals.
 Quoting: D'Light


Yep. Anymore than I would take a ham to a Jewish potluck. :)
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OP, the only Christ.

Recently this girl at work came with deep, nasty cuts on her arms. I recognized the cutter. Most people might embarassedly look away but I went right to her and asked what was going on.
Turns out she had had a long history of sexual abuse from her step father. Now she is a mother and wife but experienceing flash-backs and anxiety. Sad! I went into my
intuition ( given from God, I might add) and amythyst came up for her help. I loaned her my amythyst necklace and hoped it would help.
We have diff schedules so I didnt see her for a bit but a couple weeks later, I saw her walking in and her make up was good, her step was lively. She came to me later and said the rocks had helped bring her bi polar from really high and really low, to very medium. Was it divination?
Was it placebo?

Does it matter?
 Quoting: Rebecca 17354887



In my heart, God helped me help her. And I am very grateful for that.
 Quoting: Rebecca 17354887


I believe that, too and I didn't mean to skip over that aspect.
Personally, the crystal was a reminder to concern and may even have your concern recorded in it. Do I think the crystal had a spirit in it? No, but I do admit may hold intent from you, so not spirit but essence perhaps and I do find those 2 different things. These are tools, but we don't NEED them.
 Quoting: D'Light


I think in this case, someone finally listened to her and gave a solution. Is there a spirit in crystals? Yes, like theres life in plants, water, etc. It's all conscienceness. God gave us life, but he also knew life would be challenging here. Mercy! So he gave us the tools we need. It's up to us to be afraid of them or misinformed.
 Quoting: Rebecca 17354887


Good points.
I've seen the videos of plants responding to certain music. I've not tried the water experiment, talking mean or nice to see how it re-acts but it makes a great conductor. This is why I wanted to talk about this because I'm trying to figure out what would be wrong with it. I don't see anything I'm doing sinful. With crystals that is, I sin every time I eat more than I should, etc...What else can I do with crystals and are those things forbidden?
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Btw, now that I think about it, what is the difference between praying over a prayer cloth to give to someone and a crystal?

Is there any?

Obviously, I wouldn't do it with certain types because they have a fear of crystals.
 Quoting: D'Light


Yep. Anymore than I would take a ham to a Jewish potluck. :)
 Quoting: Life and Love


lol

I have so much reading to do from this thread. Maybe I'll have time tomorrow for some in depth study with some of the links from everyone.

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