150 Million Americans That's HALF Are Struggling With Poverty Yet Republicans Won't Spend Domestically.

Spending on social programs when you don't have enough industry and exports to support your country isn't going to help at all. That's just spending the little remaining cash you have left and not investing for the future.

For America to become a properous country again, you have to tell people that the American dream, where every single person is gonna be sitting on their arse in some office and having a big house IS DEAD.

You have to encourage businesses not to ship their operations overseas with whatever means possible(tax breaks) And you have to nurture your blue collar industries and create new ones.

The democraft obsession with American social programs isn't addressing any of the real problems that America is facing right now. They are using a pharmaceutical approach to the problem, and treating the symptoms instead of the cause.

better yet, tell your government to move the jobs back to America...

Jobs pay less and aren't as plentiful and you morons want to blame social programs? Go ahead and cut those programs and watch crime and the prison population boom. I guarantee you'll be paying more in taxes to keep people in prison than any program that helps people get back on their feet.

yet plutocrats steal trillions and get away with it because they control Congress and write all the laws. That is the REAL PROBLEM! not some poor schnook receiving a few thousand dollars from the government.

they have couple options:


peasant

military police

a tiny minority get to be banker elite;

and the kids taking 150,000 loans to learn to become cooks and photographers, HA!

So when the producers who the gooberment elites steal from get fed up with it and drop out of producing themselfs..... then what???

If you look around you, this world is a tuff system. The natural balance is always reached, then exceeded. Once exceeded, the die offs start until the blance is reached again.

We're just at the aquward stage when there's less and less... but the slide has started.. . and the balance must be reached.

but it's okay to spend massive amounts of money on the war machine?

yes and the plutocrats get interest on that 16 trillion. Why not tax them more and not have to pay so much interest on trhe debt?

happy slave ^

Hang on there - without taking sides or blaming one party over the other, I don't recall the Constitution saying anything about the Government taking the responsibility to provide for it's people. I do remember it saying that we can pursue hapiness - in other words work towards getting what we want. We are not socialists and since we the people own the Government, we should not take from some to give handouts to others.

NOW BEFORE YOU GET ALL RANTY - I will acknowledge that there are the truly down and out - naturally, there will always be exceptions; however, there is a large population that just want any handout they can get. Soon, there will not be enough to go around (again, because all of us are the government and the money it gives out comes from us) Get it? Once it is taken from the haves and given to the have nots, there is no more to give.

It is NOT the Governments responsibility!!!!!

yes, the plutocrats make trillions on wars without end.

^ look a smart american peasant finally figured it out,

you can be Mr Rockefellers house servant

That's because Republicans are idiots spending too much overseas.

And Democrats are idiots spending too much on entitlements so that joe lazy can have a cell phone and food stamps.

Welfare or warfare.....take your pick.

But, that is obviously what Americans want, because when we have a candidate that is against those things, he doesn't even get a second look.

We have made our bed as a country through ignorance and caring more for American Idol than our future.

We have made our bed by allowing tptb to dictate what two status quo stoogies we have the illusion of electing.

We have made our bed by allowing the morals that made this country a once shining beacon for freedom be lost in the name of "fairness".


So to blame republicans, for not throwing more money at problems that are not being solved by throwing money at em is very short sighted.

Government responisbility is whatever u want it to be. Even ancient societies like Rome and Athens had social welfare programs. Right now, the plutocrats get all the social welfare.

What makes you think I support that?

My post is realistic, it ignores "defense" spending completely because that will be astronomical no matter which party is in power.

Saying that defense spending needs to come down is like saying the sky is blue.

Believe me, I am sad every day of how I am forced to live. 10 years ago I was making 150K a year. The economy went to hell and I went thru a divorce and bankruptcy.

I have $1.18 in my checking account. Live on Ramon noodles, eggs, and 99 cent bread from Save-a lot. The IRS says I owe them 51K. Jail would be better than my life the way it is. I can't afford a doctor, health insurance or the basics of life. I stole a pair of shoes from the goodwill store. I need medications to live but can't afford them.

I have taken to whatever I need to do, legal or not.

I mow lawns for $15 just for food.

I just want this life to end.

Thank god I'm in my late 50's so it won't be that long until I die, I can't wait until this hell is over.

Thats my life and nobody gives a fuck. Lets spend a billion dollars on weapons and leave the people to die.

Way to go Obama. Thanks

Thats my story, and I will never ever go to my government for assistance. Fuck them. I'd rather die, and I know I will...sooner than later.

They create nothing, they produce nothing. They gamble with people's money and when they lose it, they still manage to pocket millions. Does the person who's pension is gambled ever see a penny of the "profits" NO. We used to be a production based economy, made in America actually meant something. Now it's cheaper for car companies to tear down their buildings here, ship the metal to Mexico and produce cars there. It's cheaper to hire an entire Chinese sweat shop than it is to hire 5 American workers. Yeah, we might end up paying more for a product, but we'll have more money to spend as a result. The bailouts that were given to the auto industry and the banks would have been enough for every American citizen over the age of 18 to have $500k. These people could have paid off their mortgages, their student loans, their private loans or their medical debts, they could have used that money to start companies and hire other Americans, they could have bought land and become self sufficient, and in the end the banks still would have received the money, but we skipped the people that actually paid for it and gave it to the elites. You want to talk lazy, let's look at someone that is on welfare or food stamps trying to make it, they work 2 jobs, and still don't have enough money to feed themselves or their family. Meanwhile. Mr CEO is sitting in an office, chatting on Facebook or whatever letting other people's money work for him while producing nothing of value, he lives opulently, so opulently in fact, that at least 10 families could live modestly on his income. So tell me, who's lazy? Who's the leech, the guy working 2 jobs or the fat cat sitting in an office jerking off?

sorry for your situation,

God loves you,

please dont sin or steal, hope things get better for you

This is always the stupid reply. Part of the war machine is required but it certainly can be cut as well.

The difference between a necessary war and a socila program is this: the war will end.

It isn't the half of America that isn't poor responsibility to support the half that is. The vast majority of the "poor" are in that boat because of the poor choices they have made in life.

Losing your job might not be your fault but not having a backup plan and money put away to live off of is if you lose your job IS your fault. I am sick of people saying that it's impossible for them to save. People were saying this back before 2008 when unemployment was low and credit was cheap and easy. I have managed to save my entire life even when I made very little money. It's called living below your means. I am in my mid-thirties now and could easily live for 5 years if I were unemployed without having to touch any of the money set aside for retirement etc. That's mainly because I have no debt and I have no debt because I refused to go into debt to purchase a home or vehicle or to get a college degree. I bought a house I could afford to pay cash for. It's nothing fancy but it's paid off. I also have never driven a flashy or expensive vehicle and I drive my vehicles until they start costing me thousands to fix on a frequent basis. I also never took a loan for college. I am in my mid-thirties with no degree but I also have no student loan debt and I make a decent income. I actually make more than most people I now with bachelors degrees if you factor in their student loan debt that they pay on monthly and will be paying on for the next 20-30 years.

Same goes with uninsured medical expenses. You should make an effort to keep coverage regardless of what happens or you should have tens of thousands put back in savings to self insure. With uninsured medical expenses you can still have those debts discharged in bankruptcy. I am not an advocate of people not paying their bills but if you did the responsible thing and had insurance and even with insurance you still have a hundred thousand plus in uninsured medical expenses and you have lost your job and/or become disabled then your way out is to file for bankruptcy.

The bottom line is people need to grow up and take responsibility for themselves. A big part of taking responsibility for yourself is PLANNING for the future. That requires you to look down road as opposed to always living for the moment. Hopefully some of the "poor" will learn this lesson from the rough time they are going through.

I refer to them as "poor" because many of the people bitching about money still have cable, go out to eat, still have a newer car with a loan on it (sell the damned thing and get a beater,) etc. Poor is a relative term. Poor to me equates to people who live in Africa in huts with no water or electricity and who literally have nothing to eat. Very few people live like that in the US and if they do it's their choice because there are plenty of welfare programs and charity programs to ensure that you are at least fed.

You're an idiot. There is plenty to go around. You're regurgitating the big lie. The reason people are suffering is that technology has made us so productive we don't need as many workers. What do we do with this excess workforce? The only fiscal way to deal with them is to execute them, is that what you want? If we don't execute them and let them descend into poverty and depression then society will crumble all around you. You're in the shitter either way and it's going to cost you. Best to grab a bible and ask WWJD?

Nothing, it was just an open question. The U.S. loves to spend money on war and banker bailouts, but heaven forbid we should care about our nation's poor.

Dport

The gov handing out trillions to their corporate cronies DOES NOT justify welfare funded by forced taxation and Im sick o people using that as a means to justify it. BOTH practices are WRONG and need to stop.

Well...this is a pickle isn't it? Both parties suck and that is all there is to it.

However, the spending we are doing abroad must stop. There are things WE NEED to do in this country to keep our living standard and commerce moving forward and as long as we're dropping billions to buy friends...it's not getting done.

I work in construction engineering...have for 28 years. We really need to fix our bridges and roads before we start seeing bad-bad things happening.

This isn't fear mongering mind you. I can go in any direction from my house and within 15 to 20 minutes I can take you under a bridge and show you where the metal is just falling apart from neglect. What have we been doing about it?...Nothing...well, we downgrade it's carrying capacity instead of fixing it. How long do you think you can do that until the big trucks are suddenly trapped and have to go miles and miles around to find a bridge that can carry them?

This needs to be done. It is a win-win.

Fixing bridges hires construction workers.

Fixing bridges requires steel and concrete...so both of those industries pick up workers. (Mills and concrete plants)

With these wokers back on the job, people will start buying products...general manufacturing improves.

People start eating out more often....restaurants do better.

People start going on vacations again...tourism, national parks and resorts do better.

I know some people say fixing the bridges is bad...but it needs to be done. I am not saying it's to fix the economy, I'm saying it needs to be done for safety and practical commerce of moving a product efficiently from point A to point B.

Go out and take a look at your nearest bridge...no...get out of your car and walk all around it. See if the concrete is falling apart and the reinforcing is exposed. See how many holes pass completely through the road deck. See how many rusted layers of steel you can pull off with with your bare hands...then tell me we don't need to address this looming problem seriously.

Edit:

I am a Libertarian by the way but when something needs to be done, it needs to be done (or fixed). It's not the place of Corporations to fix bridges and roads...that is why we pay taxes, that is why we have a Gov to begin with.

Last Edited by Damrod on 06/14/2012 04:42 PM

Who is the government? The government isn't a person that generates it's own income to give. The gov simply takes from one person to give to another. That is theft. So no it's not the governments responsibility to help people in hard times.

Defense spending isn't coming down so it's a moot point.

Only way the spending is gonna come down is when you become a banana republic or when you elect a left leaning libertarian. I think I can see which one of those scenarios is more likely.

So blame the poor? The only problem with that is the numbers game. What do you do with a massive poor population that keeps growing year after year? Eventually society will crumble all around you. You getting fucked either way better choose a more compassionate argument.

I see people at the "projects" living for free and the have cable TV, cell phones, cars, and weigh 275 lbs - tell me how that is fair.