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Is there a hidden/deeper meaning to this Biblical text?

 
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Is there a hidden/deeper meaning to this Biblical text?
2 Kings Ch. 2

(23) From there Elisha went up to Bethel. While he was on the way, some small boys came out of the city and jeered at him. "Go up, baldhead," they shouted, "go up, baldhead!"

(24) The prophet turned and saw them, and he cursed them in the name of the LORD. Then two she-bears came out of the woods and tore forty-two of the children to pieces.

(25) From there he went to Mount Carmel, and thence he returned to Samaria.


I'm having a tough time with this one. I believe in the Bible, but based off what we know of God from the New Testament, I do not believe that he would have 42 children torn apart by bears for calling a prophet bald. Any deeper insight into this would be appreciated.
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Re: Is there a hidden/deeper meaning to this Biblical text?
Hmm. No responses? Where's all the scholars?

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Re: Is there a hidden/deeper meaning to this Biblical text?
here's what I know. Elisha was a disciple of Elijah, who was a great prophet. Elijah went before the king and his wife Jezebel, and denounced them for what they were doing to the country.

From this, we know that both Elijah and his study, Elisha, must have been well known to everyone.. When Elijah was taken to heaven, he told Elisha that if he witnessed it, he would receive a double portion of his spirit. Elisha did indeed witness it.

The children were clearly disrespecting the new prophet of the Lord, by taunting him. And the scripture tells us he merely cursed them, but does not say what he said exactly. Then two female bears came and killed the boys.

it is possible that Elisha never actually expected the curse to bring about such a severe consequence. It is also possible that the bears didn't immediately attack the boys but that the writer new that after he cursed them the boys were attacked.

in the end, it would be the Lord that caused the bears to go on a rampage, not Elisha. Perhaps this was a sign to respect this guy because if you thought Elijah was one bad prophet, you better see his student Elisha.
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Re: Is there a hidden/deeper meaning to this Biblical text?
here's what I know. Elisha was a disciple of Elijah, who was a great prophet. Elijah went before the king and his wife Jezebel, and denounced them for what they were doing to the country.

From this, we know that both Elijah and his study, Elisha, must have been well known to everyone.. When Elijah was taken to heaven, he told Elisha that if he witnessed it, he would receive a double portion of his spirit. Elisha did indeed witness it.

The children were clearly disrespecting the new prophet of the Lord, by taunting him. And the scripture tells us he merely cursed them, but does not say what he said exactly. Then two female bears came and killed the boys.

it is possible that Elisha never actually expected the curse to bring about such a severe consequence. It is also possible that the bears didn't immediately attack the boys but that the writer new that after he cursed them the boys were attacked.

in the end, it would be the Lord that caused the bears to go on a rampage, not Elisha. Perhaps this was a sign to respect this guy because if you thought Elijah was one bad prophet, you better see his student Elisha.
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That's well said. Thanks for the feedback.

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Re: Is there a hidden/deeper meaning to this Biblical text?
For some reason I remember reading God's promise about keeping a man's full head of hair and a curse would be balding. I'd have to go find that bible verse but maybe that's why they were teasing him?
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total 100% buuuulllllshit
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For some reason I remember reading God's promise about keeping a man's full head of hair and a curse would be balding. I'd have to go find that bible verse but maybe that's why they were teasing him?
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Maybe I stand corrected but these verses don't give a good clue either...

And if there be in the bald head, or bald forehead, a white reddish sore; it is a leprosy sprung up in his bald head, or his bald forehead.” -- Leviticus 13:42

“For every head shall be bald, and every beard clipped: upon all the hands shall be cuttings, and upon the loins sackcloth.” -- Jeremiah 48:37

“Ye are the children of the Lord your God: ye shall not cut yourselves, nor make any baldness between your eyes for the dead.” -- Deuteronomy 14:1

And they shall make themselves utterly bald for thee, and gird them with sackcloth, and they shall weep for thee with bitterness of heart and bitter wailing.” -- Ezekiel 27:31

“Make thee bald, and poll thee for thy delicate children; enlarge thy baldness as the eagle; for they are gone into captivity from thee.” -- Micah 1:16
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Yes. It means that regardless of the nature of ones heart his faith is his ultimate tool.
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Jah would never give the power to a baldhead.

Die in the Lord - oh time will tell.

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2 Kings Ch. 2

(23) From there Elisha went up to Bethel. While he was on the way, some small boys came out of the city and jeered at him. "Go up, baldhead," they shouted, "go up, baldhead!"

(24) The prophet turned and saw them, and he cursed them in the name of the LORD. Then two she-bears came out of the woods and tore forty-two of the children to pieces.

(25) From there he went to Mount Carmel, and thence he returned to Samaria.


I'm having a tough time with this one. I believe in the Bible, but based off what we know of God from the New Testament, I do not believe that he would have 42 children torn apart by bears for calling a prophet bald. Any deeper insight into this would be appreciated.
 Quoting: Wylfdane

The prophet turned and saw them, and he cursed them in the name of the LORD

The prophet ... one being

42 months .. children as birth pains.

two she-bears... wild females

tore are tare ...separation of the harvest.


We have to wait till elisha dies to go to bethel.... he should be bald by that time.... He cursed them in his own name.

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Sometime God gets pissed. Remember Ananias and Sapphira?
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2 Kings Ch. 2

(23) From there Elisha went up to Bethel. While he was on the way, some small boys came out of the city and jeered at him. "Go up, baldhead," they shouted, "go up, baldhead!"

(24) The prophet turned and saw them, and he cursed them in the name of the LORD. Then two she-bears came out of the woods and tore forty-two of the children to pieces.

(25) From there he went to Mount Carmel, and thence he returned to Samaria.


I'm having a tough time with this one. I believe in the Bible, but based off what we know of God from the New Testament, I do not believe that he would have 42 children torn apart by bears for calling a prophet bald. Any deeper insight into this would be appreciated.
 Quoting: Wylfdane


The prophet .. one being.. elisha .. with bald head

Dying going to a higher place.
You boys curse his baldness .. he cursed them in his name.

she bears .. wild warrior demon females
Tore or tare .. separation of harvest.
42 the months ... and children .. birth pains..mankind

Dont believe how mankind have told you these words and place to mean and be. Everything a prophet wrote was about only God or a higher place.... THis is how they gain power over you .Putting themselves and earth in God and heavens shoes......

earth like unto heaven is their prayer they make you pray.
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Re: Is there a hidden/deeper meaning to this Biblical text?
Yep, a VERY good reason.
NEVER make fun of a guys male pattern baldness.
Ever.
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Re: Is there a hidden/deeper meaning to this Biblical text?
They were in essence making fun of God, in a place that was Holy, for it was where Abraham built an alter to God and it was called "House of God, Gate of Heaven." It was also where the Ark of the Covenant was housed during the time of the 'Judges' It was considered a very holy place by God and the prophets.

Doesn't matter how young you are, you don't mess around with desecrating holy ground especially while a very powerful prophet is there.
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They were in essence making fun of God, in a place that was Holy, for it was where Abraham built an alter to God and it was called "House of God, Gate of Heaven." It was also where the Ark of the Covenant was housed during the time of the 'Judges' It was considered a very holy place by God and the prophets.

Doesn't matter how young you are, you don't mess around with desecrating holy ground especially while a very powerful prophet is there.
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Where were the parents of these 42 kids. Sounds like these kids were a lot like today's street kids. You don't go dissing God's man.
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Re: Is there a hidden/deeper meaning to this Biblical text?
2 Kings Ch. 2

(23) From there Elisha went up to Bethel. While he was on the way, some small boys came out of the city and jeered at him. "Go up, baldhead," they shouted, "go up, baldhead!"

(24) The prophet turned and saw them, and he cursed them in the name of the LORD. Then two she-bears came out of the woods and tore forty-two of the children to pieces.

(25) From there he went to Mount Carmel, and thence he returned to Samaria.


I'm having a tough time with this one. I believe in the Bible, but based off what we know of God from the New Testament, I do not believe that he would have 42 children torn apart by bears for calling a prophet bald. Any deeper insight into this would be appreciated.
 Quoting: Wylfdane

Hate to think about what would have happened to those poor kids if they had said: “Go up there, dick head.”
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Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these [things].
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They weren't children rather rebellious youth who interupted God's prophet on a mission from God as tho they were sent by Satan.
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Your reply is, I would agree. If your choice is to die in your sin then do so. I regret your choice to do so but in reality, not everyone has the ability to think critically.

total 100% buuuulllllshit
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only for nutcases.
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2 Kings Ch. 2

(23) From there Elisha went up to Bethel. While he was on the way, some small boys came out of the city and jeered at him. "Go up, baldhead," they shouted, "go up, baldhead!"

(24) The prophet turned and saw them, and he cursed them in the name of the LORD. Then two she-bears came out of the woods and tore forty-two of the children to pieces.

(25) From there he went to Mount Carmel, and thence he returned to Samaria.


I'm having a tough time with this one. I believe in the Bible, but based off what we know of God from the New Testament, I do not believe that he would have 42 children torn apart by bears for calling a prophet bald. Any deeper insight into this would be appreciated.
 Quoting: Wylfdane


Think it was more than that, they were mockingly telling Elisha to "go up, go up!" Referring to God taking Elijah up to heaven. Little children or not, that obviously calls for accountability.
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Re: Is there a hidden/deeper meaning to this Biblical text?
maybe you should try reading the king James book ....it helps in understanding what this says .....i don't see anywhere it says the bear destroyed these kids ...i do see where it says the bear weight was of 42 kids ...i can only guess but I think he scared the kids off.....guess its all in how you see it!

23 And he went up from thence unto Bethel: and as he was going up by the way, there came forth little children out of the city, and mocked him, and said unto him, Go up, thou bald head; go up, thou bald head.

24 And he turned back, and looked on them, and cursed them in the name of the Lord. And there came forth two she bears out of the wood, and tare forty and two children of them.

25 And he went from thence to mount Carmel, and from thence he returned to Samaria. so maybe look up that word tare might help you
Noun 1. tare - an adjustment made for the weight of the packaging in order to determine the net weight of the goods
allowance, adjustment - an amount added or deducted on the basis of qualifying circumstances; "an allowance for profit"
2. tare - any of several weedy vetches grown for foragetare - any of several weedy vetches grown for forage
genus Vicia, Vicia - widely distributed genus of annual or perennial and often climbing herbs
vetch - any of various climbing plants of the genus Vicia having pinnately compound leaves that terminate in tendrils and small variously colored flowers; includes valuable forage and soil-building plants
hairy tare, hairy vetch, Vicia villosa - European vetch much cultivated as forage and cover crops
3. tare - weedy annual grass often occurs in grainfields and other cultivated landtare - weedy annual grass often occurs in grainfields and other cultivated land; seeds sometimes considered poisonous
bearded darnel, cheat, darnel, Lolium temulentum
rye grass, ryegrass - any of several annual or perennial Eurasian grasses
4. tare - the weight of a motor vehicle, railroad car, or aircraft without its fuel or cargo
weight - the vertical force exerted by a mass as a result of gravity
5. tare - (chemical analysis) a counterweight used in chemical analysis; consists of an empty container that counterbalances the weight of the container holding chemicals
chemical analysis, qualitative analysis - the act of decomposing a substance into its constituent elements
counterbalance, counterpoise, counterweight, equaliser, equalizer, balance - a weight that balances another weight
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Re: Is there a hidden/deeper meaning to this Biblical text?
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God's Law allows the execution of rebellious children.

Indeed... many times in the Bible, God executes His own
rebellious children [Israel] via war, famine, pestilence, etc


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