This is how I see our existance. The why, what, how... It is us, we are one, we are everything.

As Carl Sagon once said, "We are all star stuff." True. Our fundamental, atomic structure is the same as all things...and our stars. We see deeper, and all matter is built on a platform of quarks - the shapeless form of energy. The source. Something neither creatable nor destroyable.

I believe our issue in attaining complete enlightenment is that we are attempting to understand it. Understand us. Understand things. If we just stopped - the quest of attainment - we would be free. Enlightened. Connected. Infinite. One.
Not separated by thought. No, we are nothing but consciousness in a bubble. The bubble, the tension, being the 'thought,' encapsulating our being.

Our thoughts give credence to time, time becomes a measurement, our existence 'becomes', and then what 'becomes' is measured finite by time.

The discussion of Men claiming to be God has been around since the beginning of consciousness. And to claim that one should never portray oneself as God but as 'human beings,' would be a contradiction of the perception of God itself. For God would be 'all things,' as the christian says. "He is with us always," the christian says. "God is the alpha and the omega," the christian says, as Jesus said. But as soon as 'Man,' stakes claim to the truths taught by his deity he is seized upon as being blasphemous, righteous and unfit to live.

But lets look at Jesus. One would say he was of flesh and blood, and tears. A man. A mortal man conflicted with the knowledge of enlightenment, immortality, infinite source. How does one explain that? A man cannot. The manifestation of the source could not succeed in enlightening man for man is incapable of understanding for there is 'nothing' to understand. And so the realization that his mere presence, as an enlightened, mortal being with access to the infinite source - would destroy humanity - He had to show he was mortal, that he was finite. So as to stop man trying to quench his thirst for enlightenment through physical, thoughtful, contrived means. But it was too late. The word was out - one can attain the enlightenment just as Jesus did. He becomes remembered as a prophet, son of god and is idolized forever. Man now kills each other on the quest of the Holy Grail.

Perhaps, it was the naive language of man that attempted to interpret the uninterpretable. And that language became gospel. And perhaps what Jesus had represented - was that man is god and god is man for 'God' is everything that has ever been and ever will be. 'The Source,' 'The Constant,' God,' The Almighty,' 'The Infinite.'

We all share the same universe. One that has become structured, like thought. The Source has boundaries now, rigidity, tension - like thought. Mass is created from tension, vibrations, forcing The Source into a bubble, all from thought or 'willingness.'

When one seperates ones self from their being - their thoughts from their consciousness - their bubble from their source - then 'they,' are no more,'They' just 'Are.'

Star stuff.

Correct, not everyone will see the relevance of this thread and it's meaning. Every spirit is on their own path and level of spirituality. Blaming others for not seeing it or being in the same place is unfair. It would be like blaming a child for not knowing calculus. We are all here to develop our consciousness to the Cosmos. We do this with help from the subconscious which has all the past lives filed away in neat folders. Learning how to tap into that subconscious and it's goodies is the key. The sub knows exactly where to go, what to learn and what the objective is. To make matters very interesting there is a part in the sub that is collectively connected to all of us. This is where God is the master because he has the ultimate consciousness and gets fed from all of us, thus ALL KNOWING!

That makes perfect sense. I've been going through a lot of that mentally, I just wish I was mature enough to remember this truth in times of the dark night...thanks for the post!


I think they are also there to get us to stop thinking so much of 'our self' or 'my self' and to focus...dropping the ego.

well, lemme tell ya...

I was stricken with a similar obsession.

I'm two years out of the gate later than you.

went ahead and took a peek beyond our own local reality.

and because I had certain questions, that my consciousness was made up of certain contemplations, that shaped my exchanges and experiences on the "other side".

I know the realities I popped into are only a few of perhaps an infinite amount of unique realities.

the places I've been, rather than casting shadows, will be made up of clay like colored light, some place/beings will be made of moving black and purple checkerboard meshes.

the walls will morph into openings, sometimes walls become a being, your just floating there and they'll come through the wall like it's just normal - the shape of humanoids, or greys, or what looks like a cartoon style cows head, or just geometric patterns, and everything is telepathic all of a sudden, you'd be surprised how natural it feels over there, almost like it's where we come from...

very grand architecture over there, we come from a very rich heritage...

yet, even that level of reality, is still the local tip of what seems to be an endless 3D fractal storybook...

Hey op, i applaud ur thread, for i find it to be a very interesting read of like minded individuals.

I have a great book you should read...its called " The Power of Now" by Eckhart Tolle. It was one of the first books i read on my spiritual journey of finding self. Im sure if you havnt read it yet, you will greatly appreciate being pointed in its directrion...for it is nothing short of a spectacular read.

The thing is where still lost,even at our destination.thats our restless soul

God said: ‘I am who I am’ so he must have had an ego at that time. He created us with ego, brains, spirit, soul, feelings, flesh, bones and blood.
All these together should be one (in balance) so you can be ‘who you are’.
Bullshit of course.
We are much too fragile and incompetent to become whoever we should be.

How could anyone be ONE with the others and everything if it takes more than a lifetime to become ONE with yourself?

A long time ago I had my first and last lsd-trip. Trying to get home on my bicycle I felt very ONE with the bus behind me…

‘Blessed are the poor in spirit’

Ach ei eai te. He se. Ceo ko. Eite.

Purite. Deiete.

Like strength flows a river that you must drink from. And as that river flows you will find your drink. In your own way you will win. Because the fight found the way to win.

Naj ge ju. Luis ai fe qui te.

Language of the Gods.

Things were made because there was most useful and least useful. The most useful then stood upon itself. Like eating sand.

If yea jay. Kilai ceinve. Netrope. Uto. Ilite. The iz ze se. Asailier etei.

To get what you are, you faith in what you know you are.

Sesssck seite. Eite sessck.

To imply your own self you imply your own destination. Such as I will do this always. Or I will not do this always. Persuing. As in freedom from what you are.

Enzymatic relations are electrical holding no magnetic charge. The magnetic charge comes from the push and pull of faith. One thing has made me possible. So I may see another thing possible. But this is also not a cross. It is a paralell. A imaginative cross. One which is neither behind nor in front. Because state change may happen. State change may also find itself through stillness of mind and concentration.

To be present is to show fearlessness. To find yourself is ALWAYS what you are in this universe. You are always presented with a choice until that choice finds you.

Badness is always shadows moving away silently. And they are always deleted.

No female is freeing.

Just like you can free your own conscious mind througg a decision. A crystal structure is perfect as layera it represents what you can imagine. Past present and future.

ofcourse god had ego! he was there before all other. he was completely alone, there wasnt even the nothing with him there, then ego-less would be impossible to him.

it was after god had turned himself into us and this universe in the process of exploring his one ego or the Ego, that the common preception of individual ego came to be.

all individual egos in this universe are splinters of the greater Ego - EGod in hebrew Egod or Egood means union.

matter, animals, stars and space are also god. but they are inferior to man, or some other intelligence in the universe.

man through his intelligence is the prime creation of the god. humans house the prime essence of god thanks to thier intelligence. our intelligence is what enables us to ask questions. questions that god wants to know but cannot ask.
thus he created us so he could ask those questions through us.

God actually just imagined us! You believe there is something physical here. However, that is just in your consciousness. There is nothing here! In your dreams, have you ever touched something?? I have..if feels like it should! How can that be?

Proof please! or even a fucking theory ......please. I'm waiting.

u must be scyzophrenic in order to understand this...

Let me help you. Please explain the basis of your belief in a God, with quotes from even the most recent research from leading Theologians...On what foundations do you base this firm belief you have of your continuing existence after your very real death. Explain please instead of nervous personal affronts to force your personal opinion. I await your response with schizophrenic anticipation.

I typically dislike when others throw books at me because I let my own consciousness decide what to read and how to navigate to the knowledge I need. If any of you feel the want to read this it will answer many questions and open the door to many others. You can get the book free just by explaining why you need it free.

[link to thefreedomofchoice.com]

It's a short read, might take 3 hours to absorb it properly.

Cheers

So, when you are completely alone you can't do without an ego? And when you are all (ego's) together you should become one?

what else can u be? god was just there. formless nameless. he was just god. he wasnt hes powers... no, god isnt omnipotence ... no he was just god. he wasnt omniscience, he was just god. but even god is not god if god doesnt know hes god.

So you found your way home on this great journey called life! :)

This is my first post to say thank you for also expressing my feelings in such a clear way.
THX!
Keep on listening to(and posting) your gut feeling because it will show you the path to follow.

As for:



"....There has to be BALANCE in everything.
When you serve others you allow them to manipulate you and take advantage of you. This does not help them to grow and that is what we are here for to grow and move on.
When you serve others and they don't give back, you make them users...."

I read a lot of "near death experiences" because I feel there is truth to them. I do believe I chose this life and I do believe in multiple lives as a way of learning. Not learning by teaching through others or force/fear but through experience(failures) and own will(choises). I do believe (as you have said) that you have to experience ugly to appreciate beauty,bad to want to choose good and so you will choose to Serve after you have only taken........There is more to learn than can be learned in one lifetime for your "soul/spirit" to learn and "grow"...
I believe there is balance and allways will be balance because everything is as it should be.

My Ego and negative feelings are a bitch (excuse my French) but necessary for my learning experience, I think....


Thanks again

Hi, I am going to respond to you paragraph by paragraph as I think that would be easier. I will indicate your paragraph's with "//" and mine with "^^^"


//As Carl Sagon once said, "We are all star stuff." True. Our fundamental, atomic structure is the same as all things...and our stars. We see deeper, and all matter is built on a platform of quarks - the shapeless form of energy. The source. Something neither creatable nor destroyable.

^^^^I have trouble accepting statements such as "neither creatable nor destroyable".. you are speaking about the fabric of all things. I don't know that I can trust you in your assertion because how can you possible know whether it is creatable nor destroyable? It seems like a very informed opinion.

//I believe our issue in attaining complete enlightenment is that we are attempting to understand it. Understand us. Understand things. If we just stopped - the quest of attainment - we would be free. Enlightened. Connected. Infinite. One.

^^ An amoeba has similar characteristics. It is simple one organism that does not seem to have an interest in understanding everything, and yet, it consumes anything in its path.

If I could offer an alternative opinion. I believe the problem with attaining enlightenment is not that people are riddled with questions and the pursuit of truth, but because man is riddled with the pursuit of material things. Material things define man in today's world. I do not think it is wrong to seek enlightenment or to pursue understanding. It would make perfect sense for us to do so given the faculties we have. Investigation, exploration, this gives us the spice of adventure. However, as history has skewed, man has been portrayed as one whom seeks material things in order to establish his immaterial self. Don't you think there is something odd about that?


//Not separated by thought. No, we are nothing but consciousness in a bubble. The bubble, the tension, being the 'thought,' encapsulating our being.

Our thoughts give credence to time, time becomes a measurement, our existence 'becomes', and then what 'becomes' is measured finite by time.

^^^^I'm sorry but the above statement is much too vague and seems to be built on a personal interpretation. If we are to look at time empirically, than it is simply an instrument of change. Time measures change. I also do not believe in the finite when my own mind is limitless. My own mind being the channel/antenna which i can use to connect with consciousness or anything else for that matter. I can start playing a video game and plug into that for 15 hours. It's all a matter of choice and your choices are infinite. Time is not finite either. If our world would suddenly bleep out of existence time would continue as change would occur in the solar system and universe. We don't need to be here in order for time to exist.

//The discussion of Men claiming to be God has been around since the beginning of consciousness. And to claim that one should never portray oneself as God but as 'human beings,' would be a contradiction of the perception of God itself. For God would be 'all things,' as the christian says. "He is with us always," the christian says. "God is the alpha and the omega," the christian says, as Jesus said. But as soon as 'Man,' stakes claim to the truths taught by his deity he is seized upon as being blasphemous, righteous and unfit to live.

^^ I understand what you are saying. How can there be a problem with man seeking godhood when the fabric of all things is god?

The problem with that is that man has approached the pursuit of godhood as the release of his current state of self. Man views himself as one whom is chained down by limitations. If you view yourself as a limited being whom needs to be exposed to great solar events that only happen every 26,000 years, where does that leave the individuals whom have incarnated into our planet in the middle of this cycle? If man views himself as something that needs improvement, than man can never attain true consciousness or "godhood".

How can you claim that you are part of god in one hand, and on the other, say that you will realize this godhood when you "evolve"?

do you see the fallacy in that? man must realize and understand whom he/she is and when mankind accomplishes this, man will see their "godhood" through humility to the realization of all the faculties we have been given, and how wondrous they are.

//but lets look at Jesus. One would say he was of flesh and blood, and tears. A man. A mortal man conflicted with the knowledge of enlightenment, immortality, infinite source. How does one explain that? A man cannot. The manifestation of the source could not succeed in enlightening man for man is incapable of understanding for there is 'nothing' to understand. And so the realization that his mere presence, as an enlightened, mortal being with access to the infinite source - would destroy humanity - He had to show he was mortal, that he was finite. So as to stop man trying to quench his thirst for enlightenment through physical, thoughtful, contrived means. But it was too late. The word was out - one can attain the enlightenment just as Jesus did. He becomes remembered as a prophet, son of god and is idolized forever. Man now kills each other on the quest of the Holy Grail.

^^I do not believe that we are incapable of anything. The problem we are facing is that man has chosen and thirsts for "godhood" and supernatural abilities, and so on and so forth. Man thirsts for power. Man thirsts for power equivalent to that of god. Why do you think they are trying to find the "god particle" ? Man has chosen material possessions and tools in order to define and build his immaterial self. Listen to some Manly P Hall. Yes I know he is a freemason, but there are pieces of truth in everything. There are also many lies and deceptions, and the only way you can truly understand which is which, is through attaining as much information as you can.

//Perhaps, it was the naive language of man that attempted to interpret the uninterpretable. And that language became gospel. And perhaps what Jesus had represented - was that man is god and god is man for 'God' is everything that has ever been and ever will be. 'The Source,' 'The Constant,' God,' The Almighty,' 'The Infinite.'

^^ Once again I do not believe man is incapable of understanding anything.

//We all share the same universe. One that has become structured, like thought. The Source has boundaries now, rigidity, tension - like thought. Mass is created from tension, vibrations, forcing The Source into a bubble, all from thought or 'willingness.'

When one seperates ones self from their being - their thoughts from their consciousness - their bubble from their source - then 'they,' are no more,'They' just 'Are.'

Star stuff.

^^ Maybe, maybe not.

Really? I mean Really??...Share the medication please!

If I think hard enough my poor pet Fluffy is there when it's really dark and I'm talking to god masturbating in my own shit. I always have this feeling in the morning that maybe i am different and might have missed something from the lesson in the great University of life, that maybe fluffy wasn't really real...

Dude....You just made me feel like I was on freakin'
ACID or something! Geeze! What a discription!! Are
you an ARTIST AC? Could you DRAW any of the things that
you just discribed?...Boy...if you could draw this
Salvadore Dali would have NOTHING on you!! Great job!
Cheers!

Manly P. Hall was never a true Freemason....none the less he was a smart man! Carl Jung borrowed a few things from him.

God also does not waste time. Haha unless it wants it to expand infinitely.

I like what you have to say....I heard a phrase once
that has always stuck with me....
"Be careful WHAT IT IS you are teaching God!"
So...today....am I teaching God that I am ENTERTAINED
by some poor soul names "Holmes" who can blow away
perfectly innocent people in a theater? Am I teaching
God that Celebrating an Anniversary in History which
reflects incinerating 200,000 Japanese with a nuclear
device is a logical response to "WINNING AT ANY PRICE?'
Or...am I here on GLP reading the posts of really super
folks who are working out their own spiritual paths and
giving all of us a "window" to see how truly miraculous
those "YELLOW-BRICK ROADS" REALLY ARE!?
Let's ALL GIVE A HAND TO THE "MUNCHKINS"!!! LOL!

Well between you and me. Infinite power combined with one of those infinite powers looking inward is m theory. Like a combined gamma ray. Red.

The universe didn't have extra to spare. But it spares it with itself. Like a way to continue through time as a block to step on. Sure. Was that? Probably was one of many.

Very nice thread, Awesome! Thanks! Bump for later.

op this is shit and you're letting yourself be fucked up the ass with a monkey wrench by a dirtly little freemason remember Christ is God and God is Our Lady,Christ and the Holy Ghost