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DO YOU BELIEVE IN THE POWER OF THE INDIVIDUAL OR THE POWER OF THE STATE?

 
Stairway to Evan
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DO YOU BELIEVE IN THE POWER OF THE INDIVIDUAL OR THE POWER OF THE STATE?
Curious, do you believe in the individual, or the state?

Also, I wonder how people on a conspiracy site, where the government is seen as suspicious and to not be trusted, want the government involved in our lives. Or support government programs.

Please enlighten me.
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06/15/2012 04:16 PM
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Neither. That is a fake and delusional dichotomy of the neuro-linguistic program loop called ego and it views/perceives about .00001% of what is.
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Re: DO YOU BELIEVE IN THE POWER OF THE INDIVIDUAL OR THE POWER OF THE STATE?
the people are sovereign , gov is supposed to be here to ensure our God given unalienable rights.
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Re: DO YOU BELIEVE IN THE POWER OF THE INDIVIDUAL OR THE POWER OF THE STATE?
the people are sovereign , gov is supposed to be here to ensure our God given unalienable rights.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4619492


Hey look, you passed civics class didn't you?


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Re: DO YOU BELIEVE IN THE POWER OF THE INDIVIDUAL OR THE POWER OF THE STATE?
Neither. That is a fake and delusional dichotomy of the neuro-linguistic program loop called ego and it views/perceives about .00001% of what is.
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Ok??

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Re: DO YOU BELIEVE IN THE POWER OF THE INDIVIDUAL OR THE POWER OF THE STATE?
the people are sovereign , gov is supposed to be here to ensure our God given unalienable rights.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4619492


Hey look, you passed civics class didn't you?


clappa
 Quoting: Stairway to Evan


probably, its been awhile
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06/15/2012 04:23 PM
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Re: DO YOU BELIEVE IN THE POWER OF THE INDIVIDUAL OR THE POWER OF THE STATE?
The state has no power other than what is given by the individual.
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Re: DO YOU BELIEVE IN THE POWER OF THE INDIVIDUAL OR THE POWER OF THE STATE?
the people are sovereign , gov is supposed to be here to ensure our God given unalienable rights.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4619492


Hey look, you passed civics class didn't you?


clappa
 Quoting: Stairway to Evan


probably, its been awhile
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4619492


Well, I def. agree with you.
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Re: DO YOU BELIEVE IN THE POWER OF THE INDIVIDUAL OR THE POWER OF THE STATE?
The state has no power other than what is given by the individual.
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Well said!
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Re: DO YOU BELIEVE IN THE POWER OF THE INDIVIDUAL OR THE POWER OF THE STATE?
WHERE does YOUR stairway RUN TO, Evan ?

My guess is straight to Homeland INsecurity, FEMA, etc.

WHY would anyone other than a newbie give an answer ?
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Re: DO YOU BELIEVE IN THE POWER OF THE INDIVIDUAL OR THE POWER OF THE STATE?
I am curious how those who believe in a NWO or Elite class, justify supporting government programs, when the elite own the government in the first place?
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Evan, have you called your reps and sens to demand impeachment of the turdball president over his illegal amnesty gambit yet? I'm waiting. Get going.
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I am curious how those who believe in a NWO or Elite class, justify supporting government programs, when the elite own the government in the first place?
 Quoting: Stairway to Evan


How many times are you gonna keep repeating the same fucking question?
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Re: DO YOU BELIEVE IN THE POWER OF THE INDIVIDUAL OR THE POWER OF THE STATE?
the people are sovereign , gov is supposed to be here to ensure our God given unalienable rights.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4619492

You can demand “God’s given rights” only from the God himself; the state is supposed to guarantee your the Constitutional rights. But there are no rights without obligations in real life.

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Re: DO YOU BELIEVE IN THE POWER OF THE INDIVIDUAL OR THE POWER OF THE STATE?
Curious, do you believe in the individual, or the state?

Also, I wonder how people on a conspiracy site, where the government is seen as suspicious and to not be trusted, want the government involved in our lives. Or support government programs.

Please enlighten me.
 Quoting: Stairway to Evan

IMHO, individual and state sovereignty have to be in sound balance and independent to one’s personal opinion about the government currently on power. It’s hypocritical to declare own sovereignty based on how you see the current government.

The rule of the law - being set up by the elected representatives of the people - is common to the principle of Democracy and Republic (which are not mutually exclusive at all).

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Re: DO YOU BELIEVE IN THE POWER OF THE INDIVIDUAL OR THE POWER OF THE STATE?
the people are sovereign , gov is supposed to be here to ensure our God given unalienable rights.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4619492

You can demand “God’s given rights” only from the God himself; the state is supposed to guarantee your the Constitutional rights. But there are no rights without obligations in real life.

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free speech is a gift of God not of the Constitution, constitution ensures that my God given rights are not usurped here in the home of the free and brave.
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Re: DO YOU BELIEVE IN THE POWER OF THE INDIVIDUAL OR THE POWER OF THE STATE?
I believe in the sovereignty of the individual as a part of society. That is, we do not have the right to harm anyone, nor be harmed but apart from that laws should be minimal.

"I swear by my life and by my love of it, that I will not live for the sake of another [hu]Man, nor ask another Man to live for me."

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Individual! The state doesn't exist!
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I like the handle. Good choice.

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Re: DO YOU BELIEVE IN THE POWER OF THE INDIVIDUAL OR THE POWER OF THE STATE?
It is not an either/or thing.
There can and should be balance.
Individuals polluted America in
50's and 60's so badly that rivers
caught fire and smog hung over our
biggest and best cities.
Under Republicans we created the
Environmental Protection Agency
and government led and when needed
FORCED cleanup.





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