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I no longer drive, I "travel". You cannot be stopped for travelling?

 
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"Personal liberty largely consists of the Right of locomotion -- to go where and when one pleases -- only so far restrained as the Rights of others may make it necessary for the welfare of all other citizens. The Right of the Citizen to travel upon the public highways and to transport his property thereon, by horsedrawn carriage, wagon, or automobile, is not a mere privilege which may be permitted or prohibited at will, but the common Right which he has under his Right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Under this Constitutional guarantee one may, therefore, under normal conditions, travel at his inclination along the public highways or in public places, and while conducting himself in an orderly and decent manner, neither interfering with nor disturbing another's Rights, he will be protected, not only in his person, but in his safe conduct."

II Am.Jur. (1st) Constitutional Law, Sect.329, p.1135



"Personal liberty -- consists of the power of locomotion, of changing situations, of removing one's person to whatever place one's inclination may direct, without imprisonment or restraint unless by due process of law."

Bovier's Law Dictionary, 1914 ed., Black's Law Dictionary, 5th ed.;
Blackstone's Commentary 134; Hare, Constitution__Pg. 777


What does that really mean; "without imprisonment or restraint unless by due process of law"?
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it means every crime needs a victim. Not a potential victim or possible victim or a supposed victim, but an actual victim.

so unless you knock someone over, hit another can or end up in someone's living room, you may procede.
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Re: I no longer drive, I "travel". You cannot be stopped for travelling?
OP, learn the difference between:

- traveling, what is your unalienable Constitutional right;
- operating a motor vehicle on public roads, for what you need a driver's license.

The idea you're presenting is a "Sovereign Citizen" delusion, tried and failed on US courts many times.

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06/17/2012 07:11 PM
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Re: I no longer drive, I "travel". You cannot be stopped for travelling?
you can walk anywhere you wanna walk
used to be waterfronts and rivers were accessible to all of us
but notsomuch now access is severely limited and maritime law seems to be the way
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Re: I no longer drive, I "travel". You cannot be stopped for travelling?
you can walk anywhere you wanna walk
used to be waterfronts and rivers were accessible to all of us
but notsomuch now access is severely limited and maritime law seems to be the way
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aye, governed by people who think its possible to walk on water
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Re: I no longer drive, I "travel". You cannot be stopped for travelling?
it means every crime needs a victim. Not a potential victim or possible victim or a supposed victim, but an actual victim.

so unless you knock someone over, hit another can or end up in someone's living room, you may procede.
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This is not how law works. Learn the difference between crimes and offenses.

Crime is a violation of a law in which there is injury to the public or a member of the public. Offense is a punishable violation of law of any type or magnitude. Operating a motor vehicle on public roads without the DL is an offense not a crime.

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06/17/2012 07:28 PM
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Re: I no longer drive, I "travel". You cannot be stopped for travelling?
Men should ride big manly horses.
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Re: I no longer drive, I "travel". You cannot be stopped for travelling?
it means every crime needs a victim. Not a potential victim or possible victim or a supposed victim, but an actual victim.

so unless you knock someone over, hit another can or end up in someone's living room, you may procede.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18111065

This is not how law works. Learn the difference between crimes and offenses.

Crime is a violation of a law in which there is injury to the public or a member of the public. Offense is a punishable violation of law of any type or magnitude. Operating a motor vehicle on public roads without the DL is an offense not a crime.

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prefer natural law.

if you think about it, no human laws do anything
the common law crime of murder does not prevent murder, only makes it possible to puninsh the murderer, to make the state look like they are looking after you. its a scam.
the people most interested in prosecuting others are the god-fearing. why do you think they make people swear an oath on the bible, or why do see such things as orbes with crosses on them in court rooms. why is the 'ministry' of justice so called.

prefer the way its done in other parts of the world, where if someone's family member is murdered and the perpitrator is caught and poved guilty, its up to the family to carry out the justice,not the state.
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Re: I no longer drive, I "travel". You cannot be stopped for travelling?
it means every crime needs a victim. Not a potential victim or possible victim or a supposed victim, but an actual victim.

so unless you knock someone over, hit another can or end up in someone's living room, you may procede.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18111065

This is not how law works. Learn the difference between crimes and offenses.

Crime is a violation of a law in which there is injury to the public or a member of the public. Offense is a punishable violation of law of any type or magnitude. Operating a motor vehicle on public roads without the DL is an offense not a crime.

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prefer natural law.

if you think about it, no human laws do anything
the common law crime of murder does not prevent murder, only makes it possible to puninsh the murderer, to make the state look like they are looking after you. its a scam.
the people most interested in prosecuting others are the god-fearing. why do you think they make people swear an oath on the bible, or why do see such things as orbes with crosses on them in court rooms. why is the 'ministry' of justice so called.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18111065

The only law of the nature is survival of the fittest; you can exercise it in the wild nature if you can find it. In civilized societies you have to follow the laws of the land or get your ass kicked – like it or not. Without some kind of laws there wouldn’t be any civilization; they serve to their purpose and punishment as well.

Even if the punishment is a mean of general prevention it cannot prevent crimes, but restrict them as much as possible - and remove sociopaths out of the society. The pseudo legal philosophy cannot grant you immunity from laws; while a lot of money can. I agree, the later is not fair, but that’s the way it is.

prefer the way its done in other parts of the world, where if someone's family member is murdered and the perpitrator is caught and poved guilty, its up to the family to carry out the justice,not the state.
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You prefer the principle of blood feud / vendetta? Whoa! Then you should move to Albania or Calabria / Southern Italy.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

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06/17/2012 10:18 PM
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Re: I no longer drive, I "travel". You cannot be stopped for travelling?
Next time if ever you find yourself in court and your NAME is called reply to the court "Are you calling Jon Doe the PERSON?? or Jon Doe the Man??

Then just watch the reaction you'll get :)
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06/17/2012 10:38 PM
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Re: I no longer drive, I "travel". You cannot be stopped for travelling?
it means every crime needs a victim. Not a potential victim or possible victim or a supposed victim, but an actual victim.

so unless you knock someone over, hit another can or end up in someone's living room, you may procede.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18111065

This is not how law works. Learn the difference between crimes and offenses.

Crime is a violation of a law in which there is injury to the public or a member of the public. Offense is a punishable violation of law of any type or magnitude. Operating a motor vehicle on public roads without the DL is an offense not a crime.

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here comes the shills
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Re: I no longer drive, I "travel". You cannot be stopped for travelling?
Motor vehicle laws only apply to electric cars.

Gasoline powered vehicles are "engine vehicles"

The definition of motor and engine are different.

I declare that no motor vehicle laws are applicable if your car runs on petrol chemical fuel.
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06/17/2012 10:42 PM
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Re: I no longer drive, I "travel". You cannot be stopped for travelling?
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Actually we just don't want your uninsured piece of shit sideswiping us on the road because you're a nondriving irresponsible asshole...
 Quoting: BRIEF


What if your state doesn't require insurance?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17875981


There are states that don't require insurance?
 Quoting: BRIEF


if your traveling no state requires it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4619492


WRONG, If you are in a car/truck/Motorbike you need to have insurance.. Unless your state does not make you have it.. otherwise get insurance and STFU.. And if you think just because you tell the cop you are traveling and dont need it you are a stupid ass and I hope you enjoy your stay at thier jail
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Re: I no longer drive, I "travel". You cannot be stopped for travelling?
"Personal liberty largely consists of the Right of locomotion -- to go where and when one pleases -- only so far restrained as the Rights of others may make it necessary for the welfare of all other citizens. The Right of the Citizen to travel upon the public highways and to transport his property thereon, by horsedrawn carriage, wagon, or automobile, is not a mere privilege which may be permitted or prohibited at will, but the common Right which he has under his Right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Under this Constitutional guarantee one may, therefore, under normal conditions, travel at his inclination along the public highways or in public places, and while conducting himself in an orderly and decent manner, neither interfering with nor disturbing another's Rights, he will be protected, not only in his person, but in his safe conduct."

II Am.Jur. (1st) Constitutional Law, Sect.329, p.1135



"Personal liberty -- consists of the power of locomotion, of changing situations, of removing one's person to whatever place one's inclination may direct, without imprisonment or restraint unless by due process of law."

Bovier's Law Dictionary, 1914 ed., Black's Law Dictionary, 5th ed.;
Blackstone's Commentary 134; Hare, Constitution__Pg. 777


What does that really mean; "without imprisonment or restraint unless by due process of law"?
 Quoting: Scuba7


I was pulled over in the late 90's for driving without a license, I used this very argument, I actually got the cops to admit. They were wrongly arresting me and when I asked them why they were still arresting me, they couldn't answer.
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06/17/2012 11:20 PM
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Re: I no longer drive, I "travel". You cannot be stopped for travelling?
OP, learn the difference between:

- traveling, what is your unalienable Constitutional right;
- operating a motor vehicle on public roads, for what you need a driver's license.

The idea you're presenting is a "Sovereign Citizen" delusion, tried and failed on US courts many times.

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 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18094868


The constitution is worded in that every American has the right to travel without "limitations or restrictions", a license is a "limitation or restriction".
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Re: I no longer drive, I "travel". You cannot be stopped for travelling?
I don't drive a car, the engine & wheels do that. I am just traveling in the vehicle.

If the cops pull you over, your first question to them should be "who is the injured party"?

peace
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06/17/2012 11:49 PM
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Re: I no longer drive, I "travel". You cannot be stopped for travelling?
What does that really mean; "without imprisonment or restraint unless by due process of law"


uuuuuuuuuuh basically IF they catch you breaking a LAW,
you get your due process,
and if found guilty,you go to jail--
not guilty you get back outside and continue to travel.
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06/18/2012 12:00 AM
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Re: I no longer drive, I "travel". You cannot be stopped for travelling?
It's NOT just the 'laws' !

There ARE over 17,000,000 laws, RULES, REGULATIONS, and STATUTES in these 50 states. Made by PARASITIC politicians, lawyers and bankers to USE in THEIR contract courts, under 'admiralty law ! As soon as they trick you into being/admitting your a fictional person (corporation) by you answering YES to the question " Is that person here", after calling out your name.

The whole set up has been rigged to deprive YOU of MONEY for their pockets, as these crooks produce nothing but misery for hard working Americans.
But then, the United States of America is a CORPORATION and the Constitution was done AWAY with in 1871.

UNTIL you know/understand that, you ARE just one of their 'free range sheep' waiting to be sheered OR slaughtered, at THEIR whim !

Eagle
 Quoting: Eagle # 1 2102376


Very well written, dear Eagle.
I would like to add, that the evil "elite" does not just cause misery for hard working Americans, but for all righteous and hard working common people/citizens of the whole world.
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06/18/2012 12:51 AM
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Re: I no longer drive, I "travel". You cannot be stopped for travelling?
You have the right to travel but to travel in an automobile is a privilege...only after you prove you have the necessary skills, knowledge, and financial responsibility to operate the machine can you get a license to travel in a car.
 Quoting: BRIEF


There are a couple of things missing in this comment and in this thread in general.

Yes, everyone in the US has the right to travel. However, if you are traveling in a automobile or truck that has license plates, you do not own the conveyance in it entirety, the state does. Therefore, if you are to travel in a conveyance, you can not have license plates on it.

Also, if you are stopped for any reason and you have a passenger in the conveyance, you are in violation of commercial law. You can not travel with passengers, this means you are "For Hire".

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06/18/2012 03:48 AM
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Re: I no longer drive, I "travel". You cannot be stopped for travelling?
It means you cannot be restrained or imprisoned without going to court first. courts provide the due process. get it. sk
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What Brief said...

Otherwise, thumb, or get a horse...

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you're just another ignoramus who propagates incorrect information cause you want everybody else to be chained just like you are
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Let me know how 'unchained' you feel when you hit an old lady crossing the road, and they lock you up for not having insurance...A license...Registration...Brains...

cruise
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Re: I no longer drive, I "travel". You cannot be stopped for travelling?
if your traveling no state requires it.
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cruise

idiot
"Hold my cat while I bring in my tomato plant. That chemtrail looks like an earthquake chemtrail"

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Re: I no longer drive, I "travel". You cannot be stopped for travelling?
Next time if ever you find yourself in court and your NAME is called reply to the court "Are you calling Jon Doe the PERSON?? or Jon Doe the Man??

Then just watch the reaction you'll get :)
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3064678


The reaction looks a lot like this:

cruise
"Hold my cat while I bring in my tomato plant. That chemtrail looks like an earthquake chemtrail"

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Re: I no longer drive, I "travel". You cannot be stopped for travelling?
No court has jurisdiction over you, unless you have caused an injury. A demonstrable, specific injury. This is by the courts own rules and rulings. Read people. It is the only value you recieved through public education.
PS. I can read, but spelling is another thing.
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Re: I no longer drive, I "travel". You cannot be stopped for travelling?
"The right of the citizen to travel upon the public highways and to transport his property thereon, either by carriage or by automobile, is not a mere privilege which a city may prohibit or permit at will, but a common law right which he has under the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness." Thompson v. Smith, 154 SE 579.

There is your answer.
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It's NOT just the 'laws' !

There ARE over 17,000,000 laws, RULES, REGULATIONS, and STATUTES in these 50 states. Made by PARASITIC politicians, lawyers and bankers to USE in THEIR contract courts, under 'admiralty law ! As soon as they trick you into being/admitting your a fictional person (corporation) by you answering YES to the question " Is that person here", after calling out your name.

The whole set up has been rigged to deprive YOU of MONEY for their pockets, as these crooks produce nothing but misery for hard working Americans.
But then, the United States of America is a CORPORATION and the Constitution was done AWAY with in 1871.

UNTIL you know/understand that, you ARE just one of their 'free range sheep' waiting to be sheered OR slaughtered, at THEIR whim !

Eagle
 Quoting: Eagle # 1 2102376


Exactly what Eagle said... he's one of the few who can see the truth.
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"The right of the citizen to travel upon the public highways and to transport his property thereon, either by carriage or by automobile, is not a mere privilege which a city may prohibit or permit at will, but a common law right which he has under the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness." Thompson v. Smith, 154 SE 579.

There is your answer.
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Ever actually read the entire decision?

Nah...

chuckle
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06/18/2012 07:54 AM
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Re: I no longer drive, I "travel". You cannot be stopped for travelling?
When you 'apply' (beg) for a license, you are entering a contract where you create the leagle fiction known as a driver. This is an agreement between the now 'driver' (not man)and the government to follow rules. only by entering a contract do you create for yourself the rules (laws).

After all, a begger knows what he's begging for.

These are THE key words to comprehend not understand.
Understanding, the officer, for example, means you agree to stand-under whatever was being said to you. i.e mandates not laws or 'acts' of law.

Submit
application
registration

you Submit an Aplication for Registration.

If you don't fully comprehend the language you are using, then you aren't prepared for the court.

e.g
summoned;

This has the definition of conjouring a compliant spirt.
If you are truely free, you reply to the summons informing the court of your freedom while remianing in honour, then you have a good chance of proving your freedom.
(you could also summonds the judge to appear at your court,(before the date your due in his court) and if he doesnt you can turn up to court and make him aware of his dishonour)

Nice (and entertaing) video on the subject is:

Bursting bubbles of government deception, find it here;

[link to www.youtube.com]

please excuse the fact i dont have time to spell check, GL.
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Also never say you are of a 'fixed' address if you want to be able to call yourself a traveler. It's contradictory and therefore dishonourable (i.e a lie)
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you're just another ignoramus who propagates incorrect information cause you want everybody else to be chained just like you are
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2487017


Actually we just don't want your uninsured piece of shit sideswiping us on the road because you're a nondriving irresponsible asshole...
 Quoting: BRIEF


What if your state doesn't require insurance?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17875981


There are states that don't require insurance?
 Quoting: BRIEF


More importantly, there are states that require insurance against the uninsured, fucking get some.
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