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The Truth, Finally!! "The Pentagon is underreporting the number of American soldier casualties in Iraq."

 
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The Truth, Finally!! "The Pentagon is underreporting the number of American soldier casualties in Iraq."
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Incalculable pain
By Mark Benjamin
www.salon.com

Saturday 10 December 2005

The Pentagon is underreporting the number of American soldier casualties in Iraq.
A group of seven House Democrats wrote President Bush this week, accusing the Pentagon of underreporting casualties in Iraq.

It's a shocking charge. The letter writers argue that Pentagon casualty reports show only a sliver of the injuries, mostly physical ones from bombs or bullets. But war doesn't work like that, the Democrats declare, adding that the reports skip a horrible panoply of accidents, illness, disease and mental trauma.

"We are concerned that that the figures that were released to the public by your administration do not accurately represent the true toll that this war has taken on the American people," the group wrote Bush on Dec. 7. The Dems are right.

Pentagon casualty reports show 2,390 service members dead from Iraq and Afghanistan and over 16,000 wounded. By far the vast majority of the wounded and dead are from Iraq.

But by Dec. 8, 2005, the military had evacuated another 25,289 service members from Iraq and Afghanistan for injuries or illnesses not caused directly by enemy bullets or bombs, according to the U.S. Transportation Command. That statistic includes everything from serious injuries in Humvee wrecks or other accidents to more routine illnesses that could be unrelated to field battles.

Yet those service members are not included in the Pentagon's casualty reports. That's odd. The Merriam-Webster dictionary defines a casualty as "a military person lost through death, wounds, injury, sickness, internment or capture or through being missing in action."



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Same address:

Members of Congress Ask Bush to Stop Undercounting US Casualties
By Kevin Zeese
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Wednesday 07 December 2005

The Honorable George W. Bush
President of the United States of America
The White House
1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, NW
Washington, DC 20500

Dear Mr. President:

We are concerned that the Department of Defense has been under-reporting casualties in Iraq by only reporting non-fatal casualties incurred in combat. We write today to request that you provide the American people with a full accounting of the American casualties in Iraq since the March 19, 2003 invasion, including a full accounting of the fatalities, the wounded, those who have contracted illnesses during their time overseas, and those suffering from mental afflictions as a result of their service in Operation Iraqi Freedom and Operation Enduring Freedom. We are concerned that the figures that were released to the public by your Administration do not accurately represent the true toll that this war has taken on the American people.

On November 21, 2004, CBS' 60 Minutes led its program with a segment on the subject of uncounted "non-combat" casualties. They interviewed badly injured soldiers who were upset by their being excluded from the official count, even though they were, in one soldier's words, "in hostile territory...". The Pentagon declined to be interviewed, instead sending a letter that contained information not included in published casualty reports. "More than 15,000 troops with so-called 'non-battle' injuries and diseases have been evacuated from Iraq," wrote the Department of Defense. John Pike, Director of GlobalSecurity.org told 60 Minutes in that segment that this uncounted casualty figure "would have to be somewhere in the ballpark of over 20, maybe 30,000."

As you know, more than one in four U.S. troops have come home from the Iraq war with health problems that require medical or mental health treatment. Thus, with more than 300,000 troops having served in Iraq, this amounts to at least 50,000 cases of mental trauma. Moreover, 101,000 of the 431,000 troops who have returned home from service in Iraq and Afghanistan and who have separated from the military, have sought help. This figure shows the Pentagon's official Iraq casualty count of 2,082 U.S. troops killed, and 15,477 wounded as of today, to be inaccurate by several multiples. What we cannot understand is why you are only reporting the total American casualty figure at just over 15,000 when you know that this figure is not an accurate representation of the facts and does not represent the entire picture of American lives affected by the war. We also need to understand where your numbers are coming from and how you arrived at them given the facts and data that has been released from the Pentagon.

Based on the data that have been released by your Administration and the unofficial data that are coming out of the Pentagon, what we can be certain of is that at least tens of thousands of young men and women have been physically or psychologically damaged for life. To be exact, the figure ranges somewhere between 15,000 and 101,000 today. This is a staggering range of casualties by any standard, as these casualties will affect the lives of at least hundreds of thousands of family members and others. We cannot emphasize enough how important it is that we understand the gravity of the situation that we are faced with.

Since the March 2003 invasion, our troops have been dying at a rate of about 800 a year, with most killed in action by crude but powerful roadside bombs. More than 90 percent of the deaths have come after you declared an end to "major combat operations" on May 1, 2003. Moreover, the Pentagon reports that of the service members returning from the Iraq war this year, 47 percent saw someone wounded or killed, or saw a dead body. This is no small matter that can be downplayed by superficial reassurances designed to temporarily assuage the uneasiness of the American public. The effects of this war will remain for many years to come and each and every one of us will have to cope with it.

The American people have sacrificed a great deal as a result of this war and they deserve to know what you know. Those who have sacrificed deserve to know that their sacrifice counted and that their service abroad was as recognizable as that of our fallen soldiers. Further, the failure of your Administration to acknowledge the loss of Iraqi lives prevents the American people from having a complete picture of the cost of this war. We urge you to honor your duty as our Commander-in-Chief to keep the American people regularly informed of the true human cost of the Iraq War.

Sincerely,

Rep. John Conyers, Jr.

Rep. Sam Farr

Rep. Raul M. Grijalva

Rep. Carolyn Maloney

Rep. Betty McCollum

Rep. Jim McDermott

Rep. Jan Schakowsky


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so who the hell cares they have lied from the start
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A.C. 52315, yeah, right.

Like these Reps are going to stick their necks out if these facts weren't true.

The truth is too hard for some people to handle.

God Bless our troops.
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A.C. 9237, obviously, you don't because your little part of the world hasn't been affected by the death of a loved one in a sham war.

Why hide the number of deaths if the war is just?

Liars lie. For a reason.
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Re: The Truth, Finally!! "The Pentagon is underreporting the number of American soldier casualties in Iraq."
You're queen of the obvious aren't you?
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Hmmmm

How many civillians?
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We had a few people over for dinner tonight and we talked about the subject of underreporting of our troops.

There are a few points we should re-read. Here are a couple of the paragraphs which struck a chord.

<<snip: "The Merriam-Webster dictionary defines a casualty as "a military person lost through death, wounds, injury, sickness, internment or capture or through being missing in action."

"We don't do Webster's," Jim Turner, a Pentagon spokesman told me in 2004 as I was reporting on counting casualties. In a written statement, the Department of Defense told me that the casualty reports describe casualties to fit the "understanding of the average newspaper reader."

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Once again..."We don't do Webster's...
...the casualty reports describe casualties to fit the "understanding of the average newspaper reader."

This is your employee talking about you, this is my employee talking about me. How's that make YOU feel? Makes me angry for two reasons. One, this Pentagon spokesman is only parroting what he's been told but him and his supervisor is kicking me off because THEY made a decision NOT to tell me (or you) the truth about all of the war casualties, and MOST importantly, number two, they have basically decided that the pain, agony, and suffering of some of OUR troops is not worth divulging or revealing to the public.

I'm thinking the family and friends of ALL the troops are mighty upset over this news, too.
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Did you discuss the over 100,000 innocent Iraqi's who have been made to die for freedom?
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Second part from the letter the Reps sent bush...please, read this!!

<<snip: "Based on the data that have been released by your Administration and the unofficial data that are coming out of the Pentagon, what we can be certain of is that at least tens of thousands of young men and women have been physically or psychologically damaged for life. To be exact, the figure ranges somewhere between 15,000 and 101,000 today. This is a staggering range of casualties by any standard, as these casualties will affect the lives of at least hundreds of thousands of family members and others. We cannot emphasize enough how important it is that we understand the gravity of the situation that we are faced with.

Since the March 2003 invasion, our troops have been dying at a rate of about 800 a year, with most killed in action by crude but powerful roadside bombs. More than 90 percent of the deaths have come after you declared an end to "major combat operations" on May 1, 2003. Moreover, the Pentagon reports that of the service members returning from the Iraq war this year, 47 percent saw someone wounded or killed, or saw a dead body. This is no small matter that can be downplayed by superficial reassurances designed to temporarily assuage the uneasiness of the American public. The effects of this war will remain for many years to come and each and every one of us will have to cope with it.

The American people have sacrificed a great deal as a result of this war and they deserve to know what you know. Those who have sacrificed deserve to know that their sacrifice counted and that their service abroad was as recognizable as that of our fallen soldiers. Further, the failure of your Administration to acknowledge the loss of Iraqi lives prevents the American people from having a complete picture of the cost of this war. We urge you to honor your duty as our Commander-in-Chief to keep the American people regularly informed of the true human cost of the Iraq War."
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You're alittle slow on the uptake, eh?
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Ha. You might think so by the lag time between posts, Max, but, nah.

The real world intervened.

I got back here with my thoughts as quick as humanly possible. ;)
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Oh, Sophia...yes, we did.

I showed them the video from the other day, too.

You know, many people feel so impotent.

Everyone asks, what can we do? So, we go through the litany of writing letters to the congresscritters, and bush, making an appearance and helping peace rally's, persuading others to write and become involved, and so on.

Some people are just so frustrated at the slow movement of the trek towards peace that they do what some of my friends do, they just put their hands in the air and shake their heads. But, for every one of those types, I know many others who are actively persuing peace.

Yes, Sophia. We did. flower
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Pollyannuh, tsh,tsh, there is no "real world"
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Max, you're s*c*a*r*i*n*g* me....

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i figured they were lying about the # of casualties. the broken families and divorced are also casualties. how about the kids who have lost fathers and mothers ? they are casualties too. they should not be unreported. if they started listing the number of people who have lost a loved one due to the super elites war it would number in the hundred thousands.
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Bush needs to be roasted...and SOON!
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What word does the pentagon use to tally up the number of all-categories?
The reporters need to find that word out, and start using it at the pentagon.
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Is it also true that they don't count soldiers wounded in Iraq who survive long enough to be airlifted out as deaths in battle? I was told they were counted as wounded even if they died of their injuries later.
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SORRY POLLY--i did not see your thread and i scrolled down the first page before posting--but this news is worth more than one thread. oops

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