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Vaccinated children have up to 500% more disease than unvaccinated children

 
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How do we know if it is the vaccines that are causing the illness or the illness being reduced due to the fact
the children were looked after better because their parents
were more health conscious and hence likely to not vaccinate their kids?

Could vacinated + health conscious provide better results?

Need a randomised placebo test to prove this.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1103018


If you truly want an answer to your question just spend the time reading the studies and testing that has been done, by the manufacturers themselves, going back to the 1920's and you will find the answer.

I did that very thing and came to the conclusion that, vaccines do not work, and are incredibly harmful to the any type of body they are injected into regardless of species.
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Cool rebuttal.Have you got a source I can read up on that?
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How do we know if it is the vaccines that are causing the illness or the illness being reduced due to the fact
the children were looked after better because their parents
were more health conscious and hence likely to not vaccinate their kids?

Could vacinated + health conscious provide better results?

Need a randomised placebo test to prove this.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1103018


If you truly want an answer to your question just spend the time reading the studies and testing that has been done, by the manufacturers themselves, going back to the 1920's and you will find the answer.

I did that very thing and came to the conclusion that, vaccines do not work, and are incredibly harmful to the any type of body they are injected into regardless of species.
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Anyone who still be-lie-ves that vaccines are good for you has to have rocks in their head.
Unbelievable how ignorants folks are!
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Not to knock your info, but I highly disagree with this. My son is 2 and has only been sick twice, and neither lasted for more than a couple of hours. By sick I mean running a high temp. He's had all of his shots (except the flu shot and I'm not so sure about the chicken pox vaccine) and is healthy and perfect.
I think children are going through a 'weeding' processes right now. With all of the advancements in medical care the elderly aren't dying off and putting a strain on our resources. Where before people rarely lived past 60-70, they're now more often living into their 90's-100's. Children who can't handle the bacteria and viruses that are now resistant to antibiotics and the like are going to unfortunately not make it or have their antibodies tested.
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How do we know if it is the vaccines that are causing the illness or the illness being reduced due to the fact
the children were looked after better because their parents
were more health conscious and hence likely to not vaccinate their kids?

Could vacinated + health conscious provide better results?

Need a randomised placebo test to prove this.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1103018


If you truly want an answer to your question just spend the time reading the studies and testing that has been done, by the manufacturers themselves, going back to the 1920's and you will find the answer.

I did that very thing and came to the conclusion that, vaccines do not work, and are incredibly harmful to the any type of body they are injected into regardless of species.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9505050


Cool rebuttal.Have you got a source I can read up on that?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1103018


You can do a basic search for the polio graphs. Polio was on a huge decline BEFORE the vax program began. It's all about sanitation and nutrition, not vaxes.
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How do you get off intelligenza? Push non vaccination and bring back defeated diseases, only the poor slaves will survive.

Short term thinking for long term reasoning.
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Diseases weren't defeated due to vaccines. That's all propaganda.
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^^^^ THIS ^^^^
 Quoting: Renaissance Woman


Oh look, it's another woman who doesn't understand vaccines.

You know why you support vaccines? Because you had all your kids done, and you cant face the concept that you've damaged them.

And the polio vaccine is an awful example, sure it might stop polio, but it also damages the immune system. Now we have a coctail of vaccines waiting for our kids, for stuff they will likely never even get.

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I agree...our pets are really no different. We had four dogs. We vaccinated all but one. She lived a long life and never went to the vet but for one teeth cleaning. My other dogd have allergies and skin irritations, etc. Got one now on steriods and antibiotics and that shit aint good for them either..my daughter works at a vet and its big pharma, our pets have the same as we do and the drug industry is making a killing off these vaccinations for many years to come in treatments...and gmo foods...we are goners
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How do you get off intelligenza? Push non vaccination and bring back defeated diseases, only the poor slaves will survive.

Short term thinking for long term reasoning.
 Quoting: Sandrose


Diseases weren't defeated due to vaccines. That's all propaganda.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18217698


^^^^ THIS ^^^^
 Quoting: Renaissance Woman


Oh look, it's another woman who doesn't understand vaccines.

You know why you support vaccines? Because you had all your kids done, and you cant face the concept that you've damaged them.

And the polio vaccine is an awful example, sure it might stop polio, but it also damages the immune system. Now we have a coctail of vaccines waiting for our kids, for stuff they will likely never even get.
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You all deserve to get rabies to prove your point.
You should rather look at how people are living than claiming to vaccination is the ultimate illness.

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The vaccines are not ALWAYS 100% effective in preventing the disease so a disease source could potentially cause disease in vaccinated people.
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1. Vaccines cause their own diseases (Cognitive problems, Guillain–Barré, paralysis, anaphylaxis...) which often are worse and more probable than the illness they pretend to prevent.

2. No vaccine has ever been proven by the scientific method, that is, chechekd against placebo in a double blind trial with a clinical endpoint. The present indicetors of "vaccine protection" are surrogate (indirect) such as antibody production, which is not proven to protect from anything.

3. Most vaccines include live viruses/microbes turning vaccinated children into trasmitting vectors of the disease. The polio vaccine is at present the 1st cause of polio around the world.

Breakouts among vaccinated populations happen every day:

Chickenpox Outbreak in a Highly Vaccinated School Population

[link to pediatrics.aappublications.org]
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"...A chickenpox outbreak occurred in a school in which 97% of students without a prior history of chickenpox were vaccinated. ..."


Don't vacinate your kids and keep them away from vaccinated carriers of contagious diseases.
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I read a theory a while back that the reduction in diseases in the US can be credited to the interstate highway system. Suddenly it was easier and cheaper to get vitamin-packed produce in January, for example. At the same time, indoor plumbing and other sanitation upgrades were being implemented. Since polio is supposedly transmitted through fecal material, the sanitation theory makes sense also. And of course there is the wider availability of basic meds (antibiotics, fever reducers, etc.) to help.

Education, nutrition, sanitation, basic health care.
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Ones only have to look at all the diseases we all have now...i think i read a study that 74 or somethin of them were proven to be from our childhood vacs. Our children today are required more than we were...they just keep adding to them...and the schedule they provide is insane! They give those babies w eaaay to many at one time. So, we can only imagine how sick they will be compared to us. Thats why autism, aspergers etc is on the rise. And also i just heard on the news adhd scripts has risen 50%....
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Thanks for additional info.,, I can never have enough with a 2 month old :-)
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You all deserve to get rabies to prove your point.
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Rabies, another scam. It's an encephalitis of unknown origin (e.g. vaccines) being blamed on dogs.
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Yep. I see the difference in my own kids. The older two were vaccinated as infants, stopped vaccinating about 10 or so years ago so my youngest isn't vaccinated.

My youngest has had virtually no health problems at all. She had a stomach virus as a baby which put her in the hospital for a few days due to dehydration. Other than that...nothing. No allergies. A few colds in her life. She also, by her choice, eats almost exclusively fruits and vegetables and drinks only water.

My oldest had constant ear infections, constant fevers with febrile seizures, and a few food allergies.

My middle kid had serious food allergies. He was allergic to milk, soy, oat, yeast, wheat, oranges, peanut, hazelnut, egg whites, egg yolks (they have all resolved but peanut and hazelnut). He also had asthma and eczema. His eczema was so bad that for the first 2-3 years of his life, he had socks on his hands that went the whole way up his arm. He cried all the time from being in constant pain from the eczema and from accidentally getting foods he was allergic to. There was a time when he was only allowed to eat rice and shrimp, every meal. He was also tested for autism, but does not have it.

These days, the older two are pretty healthy, with some residual issues. The youngest is always healthy.
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bullshit vaccines are good for you
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Opposing the vaccines is something for educated perents, moron.

[link to www.nytimes.com]

"..While the picture of an unvaccinated child was once that of the offspring of poor and uneducated parents, “exempters” are often well educated and financially stable, and hold a host of like-minded child-rearing beliefs...."
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Not necessarily educated, because the formal education system is for indoctrination. Parents that are smart enough to search for the information, and independent enough do their own thinking are the ones that will heed this warning. Those indoctrinated in the schools will be good little sheeple and have their children injected with the government approved poison.
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Diseases weren't defeated due to vaccines. That's all propaganda.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18217698


^^^^ THIS ^^^^
 Quoting: Renaissance Woman


Oh look, it's another woman who doesn't understand vaccines.

You know why you support vaccines? Because you had all your kids done, and you cant face the concept that you've damaged them.

And the polio vaccine is an awful example, sure it might stop polio, but it also damages the immune system. Now we have a coctail of vaccines waiting for our kids, for stuff they will likely never even get.
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You all deserve to get rabies to prove your point.
You should rather look at how people are living than claiming to vaccination is the ultimate illness.
 Quoting: Sandrose


Oh look it's a woman who had her kids vaccinated without knowing the dangers, and is rabidly defending vaccinations.
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My ex doesn't understand. I'm on a losing battle with my kids :(
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Damned if you do and damned if you don't.

I had polio in 1952 and had to learn how to walk again. Science came out with the vaccine for Polio a year later. Before the vaccine, thousands of kids world wide would die every year or be paralyzed to varying degrees.

Before the Small Pox vaccine, thousands would die every year of that illness.


Before the Measles, Mumps, Rubella and other vaccines were developed, tens of thousands would die every year.

The simple fact of the matter is that vaccines have saved millions of children from death and injury.

Is the potential risk of additional illnesses worth the risk of death? I believe that a child sho has twice as many colds is still far better off than a child that is paralized from Polio or dead.
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You dont need to be a scientist or statistician to know that autism has exploded in the past 20 years. Allergies and astma in particular have increased exponentially. There cannot be any other conclusion than that vaccines are the cause. Food additives could be another factor. Aspartame in particular
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These Poisonous Vaccines are killing our children and it's mostly geared to the eradication of so called "minorities."

Sick world we live in.
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06/19/2012 09:25 AM
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Not to knock your info, but I highly disagree with this. My son is 2 and has only been sick twice, and neither lasted for more than a couple of hours. By sick I mean running a high temp. He's had all of his shots (except the flu shot and I'm not so sure about the chicken pox vaccine) and is healthy and perfect.
I think children are going through a 'weeding' processes right now. With all of the advancements in medical care the elderly aren't dying off and putting a strain on our resources. Where before people rarely lived past 60-70, they're now more often living into their 90's-100's. Children who can't handle the bacteria and viruses that are now resistant to antibiotics and the like are going to unfortunately not make it or have their antibodies tested.
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WRONG. people lived to be 100 all the time back in the day. a LONG time ago people lived to be 100. people live SHORTER lifespans TODAY. because we live in a toxic envirioment.
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2. No vaccine has ever been proven by the scientific method, that is, chechekd against placebo in a double blind trial with a clinical endpoint. The present indicetors of "vaccine protection" are surrogate (indirect) such as antibody production, which is not proven to protect from anything.

3. Most vaccines include live viruses/microbes turning vaccinated children into trasmitting vectors of the disease. The polio vaccine is at present the 1st cause of polio around the world.


 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1297793

You are obviously insane. The vaccines are responsible for saving millions of children's lives. THAT is the double blind study.

In countries that have stopped vaccination programs like India for the Untouchable peasant populations, all of the horrible diseases like Polio have returned. From India it has spread back to two parts of Africa and is waiting for an opportunity to spread globally. It will spread among those people who are unvaccinated (the people who have helped Measles, Mumps and Rubella stay around for the past half century.) They constitute the other half of your Double Blind Study.

Damn you are stupid!
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My ex doesn't understand. I'm on a losing battle with my kids :(
 Quoting: WeAreOne


Damned if you do and damned if you don't.

I had polio in 1952 and had to learn how to walk again. Science came out with the vaccine for Polio a year later. Before the vaccine, thousands of kids world wide would die every year or be paralyzed to varying degrees.

Before the Small Pox vaccine, thousands would die every year of that illness.


Before the Measles, Mumps, Rubella and other vaccines were developed, tens of thousands would die every year.

The simple fact of the matter is that vaccines have saved millions of children from death and injury.

Is the potential risk of additional illnesses worth the risk of death? I believe that a child sho has twice as many colds is still far better off than a child that is paralized from Polio or dead.
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Its a conspiracy site...and the conspiracy is they made many all of those and unleashed it to induce their poison that would slowly kill (population controll) vaccines as they profit even more for treating us....

Just a theory from a typical glper...lol
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These Poisonous Vaccines are killing our children and it's mostly geared to the eradication of so called "minorities."

Sick world we live in.
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The so called minorities are increasing in number five to one over the Northern Central Europeans who conquered the world.


Blacks with an average IQ of 85 (Really stupid) are rapidly increasing in the United States and with their birth, the average IQ in the United States in the past century has fallen from 103 to 92. The United States is the dumbest industrialized country in the world.

American Indians in both continents with an average IQ of 84 and doubling every thirty years in population. All of the countries of Latin America have horribly LOW IQ's and a massive population base that needs to be on welfare, but they do not have the money to help them, so they all live in squatter camps on the outside of big cities. Dirt Floors, Dirt walls and anything for a roof.
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My ex doesn't understand. I'm on a losing battle with my kids :(
 Quoting: WeAreOne


mine didn't either so we divorced

one year later i get called by ex and told our son had bad reaction to a vaccine series and now has 'learning abnormalities' and requires 'special ed' classes

ex went on claiming i was right about the vaccines... rolleyes
i replied "fuck you asshole. you created this shit and now you eat it!"

my poor son.....
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Aaahhh and don't forget,
Vaccines still contain the highly poisonous Thimerosal a Mercury preservative, causing brain damage for the infants...
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Re: Vaccinated children have up to 500% more disease than unvaccinated children
Hi
How do we know if it is the vaccines that are causing the illness or the illness being reduced due to the fact
the children were looked after better because their parents
were more health conscious and hence likely to not vaccinate their kids?

Could vacinated + health conscious provide better results?

Need a randomised placebo test to prove this.
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Injecting live viruses into yourself = dumb
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My ex doesn't understand. I'm on a losing battle with my kids :(
 Quoting: WeAreOne


mine didn't either so we divorced

one year later i get called by ex and told our son had bad reaction to a vaccine series and now has 'learning abnormalities' and requires 'special ed' classes

ex went on claiming i was right about the vaccines... rolleyes
i replied "fuck you asshole. you created this shit and now you eat it!"

my poor son.....
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18221391


Whoa...i bet he does feel bad...

My daughter is 19...so back then we did not know so she had all her childhood ones...but my hus and i fought over the flu shots...and it took one of my daughters friend at school to have a reaction before he would understand and see....this girl is just recently walking again...that was 4 years ago.
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Not to knock your info, but I highly disagree with this. My son is 2 and has only been sick twice, and neither lasted for more than a couple of hours. By sick I mean running a high temp. He's had all of his shots (except the flu shot and I'm not so sure about the chicken pox vaccine) and is healthy and perfect.
I think children are going through a 'weeding' processes right now. With all of the advancements in medical care the elderly aren't dying off and putting a strain on our resources. Where before people rarely lived past 60-70, they're now more often living into their 90's-100's. Children who can't handle the bacteria and viruses that are now resistant to antibiotics and the like are going to unfortunately not make it or have their antibodies tested.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4727082


WRONG. people lived to be 100 all the time back in the day. a LONG time ago people lived to be 100. people live SHORTER lifespans TODAY. because we live in a toxic envirioment.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5105580


Oh my, the stupidity is astounding.
rolleyes
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You dont need to be a scientist or statistician to know that autism has exploded in the past 20 years. Allergies and astma in particular have increased exponentially. There cannot be any other conclusion than that vaccines are the cause. Food additives could be another factor. Aspartame in particular
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 16489306


Autism is directly related to the increase in radiation exposure. Background radiation levels are proportional to the levels of autism in the world. The United States has twice the background radiation as Australia.

South America and the southern half of Africa have low Autism rates and they do not have operating nuclear power plants that daily release radioactive Tritium and radioactive gases into the environment around the plants. The highest autism rates in the United States are in proximity to the operating nuclear power plants.
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You dont need to be a scientist or statistician to know that autism has exploded in the past 20 years. Allergies and astma in particular have increased exponentially. There cannot be any other conclusion than that vaccines are the cause. Food additives could be another factor. Aspartame in particular
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 16489306


Autism is directly related to the increase in radiation exposure. Background radiation levels are proportional to the levels of autism in the world. The United States has twice the background radiation as Australia.

South America and the southern half of Africa have low Autism rates and they do not have operating nuclear power plants that daily release radioactive Tritium and radioactive gases into the environment around the plants. The highest autism rates in the United States are in proximity to the operating nuclear power plants.
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Then why is it that all parents of autistic children all say the same thing...the symptoms all following vaccines...particularly mmr...
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The vaccines are not the problem; there is too much evidence that the MMR shots are incredibly important and beneficial. Neither myself, my brother nor anyone else in our huge family has ever had a reaction or known of someone who had a reaction to the vaccines. Many studies now show that steroid use in males causes autism.
The issue comes with the pollution and medicines in our tap water (used to grow vegetables, water livestock, for human consumption) as well as the RBGH milk we were all fed in the '90's.