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Vaccinated children have up to 500% more disease than unvaccinated children

 
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Haemophilius Influenzae type B (HIB)
Before the vaccine was introduced: 60 cases per 100,000 (.06% of the population caught this disease)
After the vaccine took effect: 1 case per 100,000 (.001% caught it).
Lethality: 6% of people who caught this disease died of it.

That means: Your child's unvaccinated chance of dying to HIB is 0006%-.0036%

Pneumococcus
Before the vaccine was introduced: 33 cases per 100,000 (.033%)
After the vaccine took effect: 13 per 100,000 (.013%)
Lethality: 14% fatal.

That means: Your child's unvaccinated chance of dying to Pneumococcus is .00182%-.00462%

Meningococcus
Before the vaccine was introduced: 12 cases per 100,000 (.012%)
After the vaccine took effect: 5 cases per 100,000 (.005%)
Lethality: 14% fatal.

That means: Your child's unvaccinated chance of dying to Meningococcus is .0007%-.00168%

Hepatitus B
Before the vaccine was introduced: 115 cases per 100,000 (.115%)
After the vaccine took effect: 20 per 100,000 (.02%)
Lethality: 25% fatal.

That means: Your child's unvaccinated chance of dying to Hepatitus B is .005%-.02875%
It's worth pointing out that: This is an STD, transmitted exactly like AIDS. If you believe you can teach your child not to catch AIDS, this disease is already out of the picture.

Rotavirus
Before the vaccine was introduced: 13,000 cases in 100,000 (13%)
After the vaccine took effect: unknown -- the vaccine is too new to have statistically significant "after" numbers.
Lethality: .01% lethal.

That means: Not determinable due to the recent addtion of this vaccine.
It's worth pointing out that: Rotavirus is diarrhea, and nothing more. Its most extreme form is treatable with "hydration therapy" -- which is nothing more than giving your infant some sugary or salty water to rehydrate him or her.

Diphtheria
Before the vaccine was introduced: 200 per 100,000 (.2%)
After the vaccine took effect: .001 per 100,000 (.000001%)
Lethality: 10%

That means: Your child's unvaccinated chance of dying to Diphtheria is .0000001%-.02%

Tetanus
Before the vaccine was introduced: 3.9 per 100,000 (.0039%)
After the vaccine took effect: .15 per 100,000 (.00015%)
Lethality: 20%

That means: Your child's unvaccinated chance of dying to Tetanus is .00003%-.00078%

Pertussis
Before the vaccine was introduced: 100 per 100,000 (.1%)
After the vaccine took effect: 3.01 per 100,000 (.00301%)
Lethality: .01%

That means: Your child's unvaccinated chance of dying to Pertussis is .0000301%-.001%

Poliio
Before the vaccine was introduced: 37 per 100,000 (.00037%)
After the vaccine took effect: .01 per 100,000 (.0001%)
Lethality: .01%

That means: Your child's unvaccinated chance of dying to Polio (x) is .00001%-.000037%

Influenza
Before the vaccine was introduced: 16,000 per 100,000 (16%)
After the vaccine took effect: unknown -- the vaccine is too new to have statistically significant "after" numbers.
Lethality: .01%

That means: Not determinable due to the recent addtion of this vaccine.
It's worth pointing out that: Influenza is the flu, nothing more. The flu virus mutates so quickly that the pharmaceutical companies' ability to produce vaccine will never be able to 'catch up' and get the flu under control. Unlike every other vaccine, which was produced to bring a potentially lethal disease down to easily managable levels, the flu vaccine is literally a joke. It's a vaccine against last year's flu virus, which by it's nature has already mutated, rendering the vaccine almost useless.

Measles
Before the vaccine was introduced: 270 per 100,000 (.27%)
After the vaccine took effect: .15 per 100,000 (.00015%)
Lethality: .01%

That means: Your child's unvaccinated chance of dying to Measles is .000015%-.027%

Mumps
Before the vaccine was introduced: 75 per 100,000 (.075%)
After the vaccine took effect: .09 per 100,000 (.00009%)
Lethality: .01%

That means: Your child's unvaccinated chance of dying to Mumps is .000009%-.0075%
It's worth pointing out that: In 2006, an "epidemic" of mumps broke out in the midwest. 84% of the people who caught mumps during that "epidemic" were vaccinated.

Rubella
Before the vaccine was introduced: 58 per 100,000 (.058%)
After the vaccine took effect: .5 per 100,000 (.0005%)
Lethality: .01%

That means: Your child's unvaccinated chance of dying to Rubella is .00005%-.0058%

Varicella (aka Chicken Pox)
Before the vaccine was introduced: 1,300 per 100,000 (1.3%)
After the vaccine took effect: 100 per 100,000 (.1%)
Lethality: .01%

That means: Your child's unvaccinated chance of dying to Varicella is .001%-.013%
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Aaahhh and don't forget,
Vaccines still contain the highly poisonous Thimerosal a Mercury preservative, causing brain damage for the infants...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 838419


One mercury tooth filling releases more mercury into the body than ten thousand shots.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 16674316


The pharmacokinetics of a substance varies greatly depending on the administration path: oral, intravenous or subcutaneos.

Vacciens bypass the mucosae and the defense mechanisms it provides.
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The mucosae do not provide any real defense mechanisms when the object is to get the body exposed to a virus so it can build immunity to that specific virus. The mucosea simply flush the virus down into the stomach where the acids kill it. That does absolutely no good in exposing the body to the virus. That is the whole reason for injecting the attenuated virus in the first place.
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Since 1999, there hasn't been a single case of "wild polio" in teh USA, bu instead the government admits 54 cases of "polio" caused by the vaccine:

Here is the report: (pages 2 and 3, Fig. 1): [link to www.cdc.gov]

So now you know where the main risk of your kids contracting polio is.
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bullshit vaccines are good for you

i had every one you can think of and fit as a fiddle, should join the ufc.
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They severely effected your brain, and you are to stupid to know it.
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holy shit are the shills on this thread.

1. i was provaccine
2. my first child was vaccinated. had an adverse reaction to his 6 month shots (high fever, not responsive).
3. developed MANY allergies after that 6 month shot
4. public health nurse told me to hold off on more shots (i was shocked) son was very atopic (eczema, allergies, etc)
5. he developed Autism like symptoms
6. I cured his autism with diet and supplements
7. two following children no vaccines, no allergies, no autism.

I know thousands. THOUSANDS of parents who saw their kids regress after shots. Its a 1-2-3 punch with genetics, environment and shots. You need to have the genes and the environmental background that make you suseptable to regressing after shots.. but you wont know until its too late.

Basically if your family has ANY autoimunnity or atopy you should vaccinate with extreme caution or not at all.

Then read Dr. Mary's Monkey.
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That is the whole reason for injecting the attenuated virus in the first place.
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You can give me all the reasons you want but you have NO EVIDENCE the procedure is safe and no evidence it works.

I challenge you to produce a controlled study of such vaccine against placebo with a clinically significant endpoint.
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As soon as ANYONE sees a link to naturalnews, just delete thread, ban the poster, and never believe anything the person who posted it says again. If you think that site has any credibility then you belong in a rubber room.
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Haemophilius Influenzae type B (HIB)
Before the vaccine was introduced: 60 cases per 100,000 (.06% of the population caught this disease)
After the vaccine took effect: 1 case per 100,000 (.001% caught it).
Lethality: 6% of people who caught this disease died of it
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17522961


What a load of bull...

Vaccines for preventing influenza in healthy adults.

[link to www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov]

Jefferson T, Di Pietrantonj C, Rivetti A, Bawazeer GA, Al-Ansary LA, Ferroni E.
Cochrane Database Syst Rev. 2007;(2):CD001269.

"...Vaccination had a modest effect on time off work and had no effect on hospital admissions or complication rates..."


And worse, the Cochrane group detected WIDESPREAD FRAUD in pro-vaccine studies:

"...WARNING: This review includes 15 out of 36 trials funded by industry (four had no funding declaration). An earlier systematic review of 274 influenza vaccine studies published up to 2007 found industry funded studies were published in more prestigious journals and cited more than other studies independently from methodological quality and size. Studies funded from public sources were significantly less likely to report conclusions favorable to the vaccines. The review showed that reliable evidence on influenza vaccines is thin but there is evidence of widespread manipulation of conclusions and spurious notoriety of the studies..."
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Measles
Before the vaccine was introduced: 270 per 100,000 (.27%)
After the vaccine took effect: .15 per 100,000 (.00015%)
Lethality: .01%
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17522961


Again, the steady reduction of mortality since 1900 til 1960 (introduction of the vaccine) proves that vaccine-pushers are riding a pre-existing trend and claiming all the merit for themselves:

[link to www.healthsentinel.com]

The erradication of measles was due to the rising standards of nutrition and hygene:

The success of hygiene in the last 40 years

[link to www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov]

“…A significant spread of the disease throughout Europe was prevented by generally high standards of drinking water and sewage treatment. Sporadic cases of typhoid fever were imported from countries with low standards of hygiene…”


Influence of environmental factors on underfive morbidity.

[link to www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov]

“…Various illnesses observed included gastroenteritis, upper respiratory tract infection, stomatitis, constipation, fever, pica, anemia, Vitamin A deficiency, measles, chicken pox, whooping cough, and others. …
...
…Children who lived in pucca and mixed houses in urban slum and rural areas had significantly higher morbidity compared to the urban group …
...
The incidence of morbidity was higher in children who lived in inadequately ventilated kachcha houses, had poor source of water supply through open wells and practiced open field defecation compared to those who lived in pucca houses with adequate ventilation, utilized tap water, and were using service latrines….”
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The vaccines are not the problem; there is too much evidence that the MMR shots are incredibly important and beneficial. Neither myself, my brother nor anyone else in our huge family has ever had a reaction or known of someone who had a reaction to the vaccines. Many studies now show that steroid use in males causes autism.
The issue comes with the pollution and medicines in our tap water (used to grow vegetables, water livestock, for human consumption) as well as the RBGH milk we were all fed in the '90's.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4727082


Do you know anyone with rhumatoid? Lupus? Chronic fatigue syndrome?
Fibromalgia? Ms.? Etc...the list goes on...these are all effects from vaccinations...

For new mothers...if you have to give your child the mmr, then do not follow the schedule, tell your doctor you wish to spread them out...it will reduce the shock to your infants system.
 Quoting: NA Spirit


That doesn't surprise me.
Look at animal's examples for instance, heart problems and other diseases they didn't get before existing vaccination plan for pets.
Today,pets have the most incredible diseases, autoimmune diseaases, canine autism(!)and other neurological diseases they didn't have before!!!!!
Is it diffferent with us,humans?? I don't think so.
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The vaccines are not the problem; there is too much evidence that the MMR shots are incredibly important and beneficial. Neither myself, my brother nor anyone else in our huge family has ever had a reaction or known of someone who had a reaction to the vaccines. Many studies now show that steroid use in males causes autism.
The issue comes with the pollution and medicines in our tap water (used to grow vegetables, water livestock, for human consumption) as well as the RBGH milk we were all fed in the '90's.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4727082


Do you know anyone with rhumatoid? Lupus? Chronic fatigue syndrome?
Fibromalgia? Ms.? Etc...the list goes on...these are all effects from vaccinations...

For new mothers...if you have to give your child the mmr, then do not follow the schedule, tell your doctor you wish to spread them out...it will reduce the shock to your infants system.
 Quoting: NA Spirit


Nope, I don't know anyone with any of those illnesses and I'm not being facetious. My son has had every round of shots and he's in the 95% for height and head circumference and 80% for weight. He's 21 months old and knows his alphabet, #'s 1-15, and can sign words for food, drink and potty. I'm sure there are a very small number of kids that have had severe and dangerous reactions to vaccines, but I'm not sold that vaccines cause illnesses.
I live in a very large city with 2 universities, so in regards to population and illnesses I should realistically know at least 1 person with a severe illness but I don't. I know lots of children due to a job teaching pre-k in a Christian daycare center; the (supposed vaccine) illnesses amongst those children were relatively low, 1 kid with autism, a couple with asthma, but nothing major. My friends with children have had their kids vaccinated and they are all fine.
No offense intended, but I'm going to listen the pediatrician that has served my son and my friends children faithfully and competently over an anonymous person on a conspiracy theory board.
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The vaccines are not the problem; there is too much evidence that the MMR shots are incredibly important and beneficial. Neither myself, my brother nor anyone else in our huge family has ever had a reaction or known of someone who had a reaction to the vaccines. Many studies now show that steroid use in males causes autism.
The issue comes with the pollution and medicines in our tap water (used to grow vegetables, water livestock, for human consumption) as well as the RBGH milk we were all fed in the '90's.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4727082


All you are doing is just listing other bad stuff.

Vaccinations are not good.

"Oh, I'm not sick, but I should probably inject myself with so I don't get it."

Injecting children with these serums? I wonder why children have developmental problems. We bombarde them with illness while they are developing.
 Quoting: EvenT6HorizoN


Hey, idiot. Yeah, you!

There is no sample population to get a statistically significant reading that any injections cause autism or developmental problems.

Additionally, it is not logical. These disorders are on a fundamental level ie genetics and the way the brain is wired. Injections after birth will not affect whether you have a brain that is wired differently.

Have you ever worked with a child with autism or down syndrome? My guess is no, because if you have you would understand that there is no way vaccination would cause these disorders.
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You just twisted that to make me sound like an un-sympathetic asshole for some reason.

I do not condone vaccinations. Okay, you've had them and you're fine.

Well, I've not had them and I'm fine as well. I haven't had the flu since I was in 6th grade.

You cannot sit there and tell me you are okay with injecting a child with a live virus to make them immune when our bodies have the same capabilities. If you don't work your immune system, it won't work.
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Again I am going to express my unpopular opinion. Those of you who do not vaccinate your children can thank those who do that your child does not come down with polio, measles, mumps, rubella, or diptheria.

When I grew up, the only vacines were for polio, tetanus, and small pox; though many children slightly older than myself and a few my age were crippled from polio.

I have had measles, mumps, rubella, and chicken pox. Guys, you do not want to get mumps after puberty. It will effect your reproductive glands and can render you sterile besides being extremely painful. Ladies, you do not want to contract Rubella while you are pregnant, your child can be born with severe birth defects. If you have ever had chicken pox, you can get shingles when you are older or immunosurpressed.

Granted, they are going a little overkill with the number of vaccines they are giving children nowadays.

Again, let me state, you may want to rethink not giving your child the POLIO, MUMPS, RUBELLA, AND TETANUS vaccines.
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The vaccines are not the problem; there is too much evidence that the MMR shots are incredibly important and beneficial. Neither myself, my brother nor anyone else in our huge family has ever had a reaction or known of someone who had a reaction to the vaccines. Many studies now show that steroid use in males causes autism.
The issue comes with the pollution and medicines in our tap water (used to grow vegetables, water livestock, for human consumption) as well as the RBGH milk we were all fed in the '90's.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4727082


Do you know anyone with rhumatoid? Lupus? Chronic fatigue syndrome?
Fibromalgia? Ms.? Etc...the list goes on...these are all effects from vaccinations...

For new mothers...if you have to give your child the mmr, then do not follow the schedule, tell your doctor you wish to spread them out...it will reduce the shock to your infants system.
 Quoting: NA Spirit


That doesn't surprise me.
Look at animal's examples for instance, heart problems and other diseases they didn't get before existing vaccination plan for pets.
Today,pets have the most incredible diseases, autoimmune diseaases, canine autism(!)and other neurological diseases they didn't have before!!!!!
Is it diffferent with us,humans?? I don't think so.
 Quoting: Mindlouka


It is different because people treat their dogs like people when they are animals that are to live in the wild, outdoors, hunt their own food etc.
Many of the issues that dogs have are to cheap flea/tick medicine and dog food. Idiots try to make their own dog food and don't do it properly by cooking the food (animals do not cook food, they need the fresh blood, marrow, etc. from animals they've caught) or giving their animals wet dog food from a can or horrible non-nutritive dry dog food.
Many people have dogs in environments that the dog is not meant to be in (having a Husky in Arizona, Chihuahua in Montana) and there are issues with that. Dogs are also not meant to be indoor dogs where the air is not fresh but circulated and filtered, as well as being exposed to cleaning products that are irritants and human dander which is just as allergic to dogs as dog dander is to humans.
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Unless they catch polio or the mumps, in which case they just get crippled for life or die.
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Polio is still around but goes by different names now since the vaccine does not work.

[link to www.whale.to]

[link to www.anapsid.org]

[link to www.whale.to]
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Since 1999, there hasn't been a single case of "wild polio" in teh USA, bu instead the government admits 54 cases of "polio" caused by the vaccine:

Here is the report: (pages 2 and 3, Fig. 1): [link to www.cdc.gov]

So now you know where the main risk of your kids contracting polio is.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1297793


That is because, THROUGH VACCINATION, the disease is no longer endemic. I am glad that you are young enough that you don't remember the large numbers of people that were crippled by polio.
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Again I am going to express my unpopular opinion. Those of you who do not vaccinate your children can thank those who do that your child does not come down with polio, measles, mumps, rubella, or diptheria.

When I grew up, the only vacines were for polio, tetanus, and small pox; though many children slightly older than myself and a few my age were crippled from polio.

I have had measles, mumps, rubella, and chicken pox. Guys, you do not want to get mumps after puberty. It will effect your reproductive glands and can render you sterile besides being extremely painful. Ladies, you do not want to contract Rubella while you are pregnant, your child can be born with severe birth defects. If you have ever had chicken pox, you can get shingles when you are older or immunosurpressed.

Granted, they are going a little overkill with the number of vaccines they are giving children nowadays.

Again, let me state, you may want to rethink not giving your child the POLIO, MUMPS, RUBELLA, AND TETANUS vaccines.
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Amen!
cheers
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Hi
How do we know if it is the vaccines that are causing the illness or the illness being reduced due to the fact
the children were looked after better because their parents
were more health conscious and hence likely to not vaccinate their kids?

Could vacinated + health conscious provide better results?

Need a randomised placebo test to prove this.
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Use logic. Would you invest in "something" that would fix a "problem" once and for ever with one time profit or would you
"invest" in something that you could inject once and have steady...profit from investment.
Look at charts and see if there any similarities :
Vaccinations and amount of vaccinations VS

Autism
Cancer
Alzheimer
Diabetes


VS

Pharma industry
Cancer "research" or "management"


Apple , Microsoft, Google, Facebook business model got nothing comparing to
"good guys" with vaccine needle....


Placibo....you care for your career in medical field... your study better stay in line with "investors"...
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My ex doesn't understand. I'm on a losing battle with my kids :(
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Yeah I've noticed this about women, my sister is the exact same way. Got all my nephews and nieces vaccinated up the wazoo. One of em has aspergers, other one is showing signs of social problems, and the youngest is having physical developmental problems.
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Same here, my syster won't stop vaccinating because the doctor says asperbergers and autism has nothing to do with it. Even though she knows for sure its not genetical because of her identical twins one is autist the other is not.
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That is because, THROUGH VACCINATION, the disease is no longer endemic.
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Trough RENAMIG, stupid, as I explained before the pre-1960 polio consisted of 11 different illnesses now called "Flaccid Paralysis".

Fucking educate yourself!
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My ex doesn't understand. I'm on a losing battle with my kids :(
 Quoting: WeAreOne


Yeah I've noticed this about women, my sister is the exact same way. Got all my nephews and nieces vaccinated up the wazoo. One of em has aspergers, other one is showing signs of social problems, and the youngest is having physical developmental problems.
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Same here, my syster won't stop vaccinating because the doctor says asperbergers and autism has nothing to do with it. Even though she knows for sure its not genetical because of her identical twins one is autist the other is not.
 Quoting: WakeMeUp


So what about the millions of children that get the vaccines and nothing is wrong with them?
So sure it's not 'genetical'? Wtf is genetical?
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Unless they catch polio or the mumps, in which case they just get crippled for life or die.
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Polio is still around but goes by different names now since the vaccine does not work.

[link to www.whale.to]

[link to www.anapsid.org]

[link to www.whale.to]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1550123


It's even worse than that! Oral polio vaccines cause polio!
and Non Polio acute paralysis witch is exactly like polio but the polio gene cannot be found in the body.

"Wild polio" only exist in three countries a 100 cases a year total.
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Those of you who do not vaccinate your children can thank those who do
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Thank you morons, though those diseases were gone already in the 30's without any vaccines:

The Deseret News - Feb 27, 1931
[link to news.google.com]

Berkeley Daily Gazette - Dec 27, 1935

[link to news.google.com]

And 30 years later, when all these illnesses were erradicated yb imprivements in nutrition and hygene, the vaccine-pushers whouw up claiming it all for themselves!
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The vaccines are not the problem; there is too much evidence that the MMR shots are incredibly important and beneficial. Neither myself, my brother nor anyone else in our huge family has ever had a reaction or known of someone who had a reaction to the vaccines. Many studies now show that steroid use in males causes autism.
The issue comes with the pollution and medicines in our tap water (used to grow vegetables, water livestock, for human consumption) as well as the RBGH milk we were all fed in the '90's.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4727082


Do you know anyone with rhumatoid? Lupus? Chronic fatigue syndrome?
Fibromalgia? Ms.? Etc...the list goes on...these are all effects from vaccinations...

For new mothers...if you have to give your child the mmr, then do not follow the schedule, tell your doctor you wish to spread them out...it will reduce the shock to your infants system.
 Quoting: NA Spirit


That doesn't surprise me.
Look at animal's examples for instance, heart problems and other diseases they didn't get before existing vaccination plan for pets.
Today,pets have the most incredible diseases, autoimmune diseaases, canine autism(!)and other neurological diseases they didn't have before!!!!!
Is it diffferent with us,humans?? I don't think so.
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It is different because people treat their dogs like people when they are animals that are to live in the wild, outdoors, hunt their own food etc.
Many of the issues that dogs have are to cheap flea/tick medicine and dog food. Idiots try to make their own dog food and don't do it properly by cooking the food (animals do not cook food, they need the fresh blood, marrow, etc. from animals they've caught) or giving their animals wet dog food from a can or horrible non-nutritive dry dog food.
Many people have dogs in environments that the dog is not meant to be in (having a Husky in Arizona, Chihuahua in Montana) and there are issues with that. Dogs are also not meant to be indoor dogs where the air is not fresh but circulated and filtered, as well as being exposed to cleaning products that are irritants and human dander which is just as allergic to dogs as dog dander is to humans.
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It's true too what you said, but don't dismiss vacciantions!!!! neurological diseases are not cause from "dislocation" (husky living in a desert f.ex.). Vaccination plays a big role on some diseases that didn't exist before pet vaccination plans. We think it makes us stronger,when in fact makes you more weak!

Don't forget, Big Pharma makes profit on illness. You don't serve them when you are healthy. Sad but true.
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I am in medical school and I actually take offense to the fact that there are people that refuse to vacinnate their children because they are crazy. I think you should be thrown in jail because I have to treat your children and tell them that there is nothing I can do because mommy and daddy think plants will cure hepatitis. Please sterilize yourself or give your children up for adoption because you are not sane enough to be a parent.
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I take offense to the fact that you are in medical school and can't spell properly.
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My ex doesn't understand. I'm on a losing battle with my kids :(
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Yeah I've noticed this about women, my sister is the exact same way. Got all my nephews and nieces vaccinated up the wazoo. One of em has aspergers, other one is showing signs of social problems, and the youngest is having physical developmental problems.
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Same here, my syster won't stop vaccinating because the doctor says asperbergers and autism has nothing to do with it. Even though she knows for sure its not genetical because of her identical twins one is autist the other is not.
 Quoting: WakeMeUp


So what about the millions of children that get the vaccines and nothing is wrong with them?
So sure it's not 'genetical'? Wtf is genetical?
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Nothing wrong with them??? It's because most people will never associate being sick because of vaccinations!!!!! Some diseases appear right after vaccination,some take years!!!!!!
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Found a good test for autism here:

[link to pediatrics.about.com]

Last Edited by WeAreOne on 06/19/2012 11:24 AM
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I am in medical school and I actually take offense to the fact that there are people that refuse to vacinnate their children because they are crazy. I think you should be thrown in jail because I have to treat your children and tell them that there is nothing I can do because mommy and daddy think plants will cure hepatitis. Please sterilize yourself or give your children up for adoption because you are not sane enough to be a parent.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6514487


And you are stupid because you are in medical school and don't know the actual medicine was based on alchemy. And yes,plants can cure you, how the hell do you think medicine is getting the ideas from??? FROM MOTHER NATURE!!!! And they cannot patent mother nature,sooooooo, swallow your chemicals!!!!
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So what about the millions of children that get the vaccines and nothing is wrong with them?
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Yes, there are lots of things wrong with them as adults:


Measles virus infection without rash in childhood is related to disease in adult life.

[link to www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov]

"...The association between a negative history of measles in childhood and certain diseases later in life was investigated by a historical prospective method, based on school health records combined with self-reporting in adulthood, and tests for specific IgG measles antibody. There was evidence of association between a negative history of measles, exposure in early life (possibly injection of immune serum globulin after exposure), and development of immunoreactive diseases, sebaceous skin diseases, degenerative diseases of bone and cartilage, and certain tumours..."

[link to www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov]

Acute infections as a means of cancer prevention: opposing effects to chronic infections?

RESULTS: Exposures to febrile infectious childhood diseases were associated with subsequently reduced risks for melanoma, ovary, and multiple cancers combined, significant in the latter two groups. Epidemiological studies on common acute infections in adults and subsequent cancer development found these infections to be associated with reduced risks for meningioma, glioma, melanoma and multiple cancers combined, significantly for the latter three groups. Overall, risk reduction increased with the frequency of infections, with febrile infections affording the greatest protection. In contrast to acute infections, chronic infections can be viewed as resulting from a failed immune response and an increasing number have been associated with an elevated cancer risk.

CONCLUSION: Infections may play a paradoxical role in cancer development with chronic infections often being tumorigenic and acute infections being antagonistic to cancer.



The protective effect of childhood infections

[link to www.bmj.com]

"...Although infectious diseases are by no means defeated, the past 100 years have seen a dramatic decline in some previously common childhood infections. Many serious viral and bacterial infections can now be prevented or treated by vaccination or antibiotics. In contrast, the prevalence of asthma and atopic disease has increased, particularly during the past 30 years. This increase is certainly not accounted for by a change in genetic risk factors: genetically similar populations in East and West Germany had very different rates of asthma before unification (although former east Germany is now catching up with the west1). In a landmark study of hayfever, hygiene, and household size in 1989 Strachan proposed that improved


hygiene was the factor that explained this rise...."
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Re: Vaccinated children have up to 500% more disease than unvaccinated children
Hi
How do we know if it is the vaccines that are causing the illness or the illness being reduced due to the fact
the children were looked after better because their parents
were more health conscious and hence likely to not vaccinate their kids?

Could vacinated + health conscious provide better results?

Need a randomised placebo test to prove this.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1103018


I also never understand how an un-vaccinated child can be a risk to those around them who have been vaccinated. Surly they could be surrounded by ill children and have no fear if vaccinations are to be believed?
 Quoting: WeAreOne


My daughter doesnt get any vacs but the school called back in May and told me they had an outbreak of Chicken-pox and that i needed ta take my daughter out of school.

I asked the nurse if the children that came down with the pox were up-dated with their vacs....

why yes,yes all of them were...
I left my daughter in school and she did not catch the CP!

True story....
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