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Vaccinated children have up to 500% more disease than unvaccinated children

 
Mindlouka

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Hi
How do we know if it is the vaccines that are causing the illness or the illness being reduced due to the fact
the children were looked after better because their parents
were more health conscious and hence likely to not vaccinate their kids?

Could vacinated + health conscious provide better results?

Need a randomised placebo test to prove this.
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I also never understand how an un-vaccinated child can be a risk to those around them who have been vaccinated. Surly they could be surrounded by ill children and have no fear if vaccinations are to be believed?
 Quoting: WeAreOne


My daughter doesnt get any vacs but the school called back in May and told me they had an outbreak of Chicken-pox and that i needed ta take my daughter out of school.

I asked the nurse if the children that came down with the pox were up-dated with their vacs....

why yes,yes all of them were...
I left my daughter in school and she did not catch the CP!

True story....
TEXAS
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OH!PERFECT!!!!
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My ex doesn't understand. I'm on a losing battle with my kids :(
 Quoting: WeAreOne


mine didn't either so we divorced

one year later i get called by ex and told our son had bad reaction to a vaccine series and now has 'learning abnormalities' and requires 'special ed' classes

ex went on claiming i was right about the vaccines... rolleyes
i replied "fuck you asshole. you created this shit and now you eat it!"

my poor son.....
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Look into ionic foot baths for your son. They will get rid of the heavy metals that are causing problems. I have seen an autistic child come out of his stupor because of these foot baths. And I have a relative who was poisoned by mercury from eating too much tuna and it got the mercury out of his body/brain. Google up info and maybe you can find someone in your area that does them.
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Aaahhh and don't forget,
Vaccines still contain the highly poisonous Thimerosal a Mercury preservative, causing brain damage for the infants...
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And they contain aluminum which they won't take out.
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06/19/2012 11:32 AM
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Hi
How do we know if it is the vaccines that are causing the illness or the illness being reduced due to the fact
the children were looked after better because their parents
were more health conscious and hence likely to not vaccinate their kids?

Could vacinated + health conscious provide better results?

Need a randomised placebo test to prove this.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1103018


I also never understand how an un-vaccinated child can be a risk to those around them who have been vaccinated. Surly they could be surrounded by ill children and have no fear if vaccinations are to be believed?
 Quoting: WeAreOne


My daughter doesnt get any vacs but the school called back in May and told me they had an outbreak of Chicken-pox and that i needed ta take my daughter out of school.

I asked the nurse if the children that came down with the pox were up-dated with their vacs....

why yes,yes all of them were...
I left my daughter in school and she did not catch the CP!

True story....
TEXAS
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18224354


It is vaccines that are keeping those diseases going. Without them they'll be already erradicated but the industry needs sick people, so they spread viruses with the vaccines:


Chickenpox Outbreak in a Highly Vaccinated School Population

[link to pediatrics.aappublications.org]

"...A chickenpox outbreak occurred in a school in which 97% of students without a prior history of chickenpox were vaccinated. ..."

Immunogenicity of second dose measles-mumps-rubella (MMR) vaccine and implications for serosurveillance.

[link to www.vaccinationnews.com]

"...Measles and mumps, but not rubella, outbreaks have been reported amongst populations highly vaccinated with a single dose of measles-mumps-rubella (MMR) vaccine."

Mumps Outbreaks in Vaccinated Populations: Are Available Mumps Vaccines Effective Enough to Prevent Outbreaks?

[link to cid.oxfordjournals.org]

"...Increased reports of mumps in vaccinated populations prompted a review of the performance of mumps vaccines."

An outbreak of varicella in elementary school children with two-dose varicella vaccine recipients--Arkansas, 2006

[link to www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov]

"... October 2006, the Arkansas Department of Health was notified of a varicella outbreak among students where some received a second dose during an outbreak-related vaccination campaign in February 2006."


... and what solution do they propose to face the failure of their vaccines? MORE VACCINES! Where does this pseudo-science has its limits?
Mindlouka

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Getting a bit off-topic now,but it's about vaccinations too:
[link to www.thepetwhisperer.com]

"For the past 31 years I have stressed the following issue about vaccinations. Is the theory of vaccination practical? When we know there are an infinite number of strains of virus and bacteria, does it make any sense to try to prevent disease by injecting an infinite number of viruses and bacteria into the blood stream’s of animals and people. My answer to this question is NO. I feel the answer to preventing disease, is a healthy immune system." (...)

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I am in medical school and I actually take offense to the fact that there are people that refuse to vacinnate their children because they are crazy. I think you should be thrown in jail because I have to treat your children and tell them that there is nothing I can do because mommy and daddy think plants will cure hepatitis. Please sterilize yourself or give your children up for adoption because you are not sane enough to be a parent.
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Looks like med school is doing a great job at brainwashing you. Vaccines do have their place but the myriad of vaccines given to children are harming them. Do some research and keep an open mind.
Mindlouka

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I am in medical school and I actually take offense to the fact that there are people that refuse to vacinnate their children because they are crazy. I think you should be thrown in jail because I have to treat your children and tell them that there is nothing I can do because mommy and daddy think plants will cure hepatitis. Please sterilize yourself or give your children up for adoption because you are not sane enough to be a parent.
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Looks like med school is doing a great job at brainwashing you. Vaccines do have their place but the myriad of vaccines given to children are harming them. Do some research and keep an open mind.
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Most of them only listen to their "schools".
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I am in medical school and I actually take offense to the fact that there are people that refuse to vacinnate their children because they are crazy. I think you should be thrown in jail because I have to treat your children and tell them that there is nothing I can do because mommy and daddy think plants will cure hepatitis. Please sterilize yourself or give your children up for adoption because you are not sane enough to be a parent.
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And you are stupid because you are in medical school and don't know the actual medicine was based on alchemy. And yes,plants can cure you, how the hell do you think medicine is getting the ideas from??? FROM MOTHER NATURE!!!! And they cannot patent mother nature,sooooooo, swallow your chemicals!!!!
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Exactly.
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My ex doesn't understand. I'm on a losing battle with my kids :(
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Yeah I've noticed this about women, my sister is the exact same way. Got all my nephews and nieces vaccinated up the wazoo. One of em has aspergers, other one is showing signs of social problems, and the youngest is having physical developmental problems.
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Same here, my syster won't stop vaccinating because the doctor says asperbergers and autism has nothing to do with it. Even though she knows for sure its not genetical because of her identical twins one is autist the other is not.
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So what about the millions of children that get the vaccines and nothing is wrong with them?
So sure it's not 'genetical'? Wtf is genetical?
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She is from another country so I am sure English is not her primary language. Why not take the time to see where the poster is from before looking like an idiot?
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"There is a great deal of evidence to prove that immunization of children does more harm than good."---Dr. J. Anthony Morris, former Chief Vaccine Control Officer and research virologist, US FDA

"There is no evidence that any influenza vaccine thus far developed is effective in preventing or mitigating any attack of influenza. The producers of these vaccines know that they are worthless, but they go on selling them, anyway."------Dr. J. Anthony Morris (formerly Chief Vaccine Control Officer at the FDA)

The bottom line is that the medical systems are controlled by financiers in order to serve financiers.Since you cannot serve people unless they get sick,the whole medical system is designed to make people sicker and sicker.- Guylaine Lanctot,M.D.

"Vaccines are used to test biological weapons.....I found that vaccines are used to spread diseases.They are used for targeted genocides." - Guylaine Lanctot,M.D.

"Immunization is total nonsense!More that that is what's hidden from people about vaccines.They are dangerous.one child out of five has overwhelming disabilities from vaccines --- neurological problems,seizures ." - Guylaine Lanctot,M.D.

The entire vaccine program is based on massive fraud. --- Russell L. Blaylock, M.D.

"The greatest threat of childhood diseases lies in the dangerous and ineffectual efforts made to prevent them through mass immunization.....There is no convincing scientific evidence that mass inoculations can be credited with eliminating any childhood disease." - Dr Robert Mendelsohn,M.D.

"Despite the tendency of doctors to call modern medicine an 'inexact science' it is more accurate to say there is practically no science in modern medicine at all.Almost everything doctors do is based on a conjecture,a guess,a clinical impression,a whim,a hope,a wish,an opinion or a belief." - Dr Robert Mendelsohn,M.D.

"I would consider the risks associated with measles vaccination unacceptable even if there were convincing evidence that the vaccine works.There isn't.While there has been a decline in the incidence of the disease,it began long before the vaccine was introduced." - Dr Robert Mendelsohn,M.D.

"Study after study has demonstrated that many women immunized against rubella as children lack evidence of immunity in blood tests given during their adolescent years.Other tests have shown a high vaccine failure rate in children given rubella,measles and mumps shots,either separately or in combined form." - Dr Robert Mendelsohn,M.D.

"What does a Catholic do when he decides that his priests are no good?Sometimes he directly challenges them,but very seldom.He just leaves the Church.And that's my answer.Leave the Church of Modern Medicine." - Dr Robert Mendelsohn,M.D.

"There is no question but that perfect sanitation has almost obliterated this disease (smallpox),and sooner or later will dispose of it entirely.Of course,when that time comes,in all probability the credit will be given to vaccination." - John Tilden M.D.(1851 - 1940)
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How much disease do they have compared with kids from the 19th Century?

Why doesn't somebody put GUNS to the HEADS of these non-vaccinating parents and FORCE them to vaccinate? We have benevolent, angelic, HIGHLY EDUCATED doctors saying kids need their shots!!
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"(Vaccination), a Destroyer of the Honesty and Humanity of Medicine, which is through it a deeply-degraded Profession."---Dr Garth Wilkinson (1883)

The great trouble with vaccination is that it vaccinates the mind.---Elbert Hubbard

In 1989 the American Immunization Practices Advisory Committee announced that some contra-indications were not really contra-indications to vaccination. I wrote and asked this committee for evidence to support their stance, and they sent me 18 references. Some of these references were non-existent, some were smoke-screens, and some were just off the point. These American bureaucrats have persuaded health departments around the world to ignore contra-indications, and to vaccinate babies who are known to be at risk of suffering bad side effects.
An example of the callous irresponsibility of modern medical officials is that they recommend that premature babies should be vaccinated according to their date of birth, not according to their gestational age. A proper study was eventually done in 2001, and it found that premature babies are very susceptible to suffering from serious vaccine reactions. [2005] Raising A Vaccine Free Child by WENDY LYDALL

"At the highest levels of the medical cartel, vaccines are a top priority because they cause a weakening of the immune system. I know that may be hard to accept, but it's true. The medical cartel, at the highest level, is not out to help people, it is out to harm them, to weaken them. To kill them." Vaccines - Jon Rappoport interview of ex vaccine researcher (2001)

"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent busybodies. The robber barons' cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." ~ C.S. Lewis

"You can fool too many of the people too much of the time." ------James Thurber

"The human tendency is to believe anything that comforts, and deny what discomforts, so that unpleasant untruths are simply ignored."

"Most People Are Wrong About Most Things Most Of The Time"----Dr. Dan Duffy Sr.

"A truth's initial commotion is directly proportional to how deeply the lie was believed. When a well-packaged web of lies has been sold gradually to the masses over generations, the truth will seem utterly preposterous and its speaker, a raving lunatic. --Dresden James

"Ask yourself why totalitarian dictatorships find it necessary to pour money and effort into propaganda for their own helpless, chained, gagged slaves, who have no means of protest or defense. The answer is that even the humblest peasant or the lowest savage would rise in blind rebellion, were he to realize that he is being immolated, not to some incomprehensible "noble purpose," but to plain, naked human evil. --Ayn Rand

Those who appear great, are great because we are on our knees, let us rise

"Who controls the past controls the future. Who controls the present controls the past."--George Orwell (O'Brien in 1984)

"With most people unbelief in one thing is founded on blind belief in another."--Lichtenberg

"If fifty million people say a foolish thing, it is still a foolish thing." - Anatole France (1844-1924)

"All propaganda is a lie even when its telling the truth."--G Orwell
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"Homeopathy is wholly capable of satisfying the therapeutic demands of this age better than any other system or school of medicine."-----Dr. Charles Menninger M.D., Founder Menninger Clinic

Nobody needs to be confused but EVERYBODY better be darn well frightened about taking ANY vaccine, under ANY circumstance, for ANY reason, at ANY time in their life."--Dr Duffy DC

"I have been on the staff of the New Jersey State Department of Health, and was in complete charge of the Monmouth County Cerebral Palsy Treatment Center. For the past three years I have been director of the Homestead Rehabilitation Institute (and still am as of this writing). My experiences have enabled me to observe from within the workings of official medicine. At first I could not believe what I saw...Were the truth concerning medical treatment and so-called prevention ever to leak out, the stench of it would obliterate the public confidence in the medical profession and put an end to the fantastic drug profits."---Dr. Milton Fried, D.C., 1956 (Poisoned Needle by McBean p192)

"What, then, is the value of vaccination? We firmly believe that it has no value at all. Its supposed value has been deduced from incorrect reasoning on the part of its advocates. Were small-pox as prevalent and as fatal now as in the eighteenth century, it might even be justifiable to have recourse to inoculation—either by variolous or vaccine matter. History, however, has demonstrated that towards the close of the last century, when Jenner introduced his system, small-pox had gradually died out, as we shall presently show. Even in Jenner's day small-pox had lost its virulence."---Dr. Charles T. Pearce, M.D. [1868 Book: Essay on Vaccination]

"It is difficult to conceive what will be the excuse made for a century of cowpoxing; but it cannot be doubted that the practice will appear in as absurd a light to the common sense of the twentieth century as blood-letting now does to us. Vaccination differs, however, from all previous errors of the faculty, in being maintained as the law of the land on the warrant of medical authority. That is the reason why the blow to professional credit can hardly help being severe, and why the efforts to ward it off have been, and will continue to be so ingenious." [1889] Jenner and Vaccination A Strange Chapter of Medical History by Charles Creighton M.D.

"If you want the truth on vaccination you must go to those who are not making anything out of it. If doctors shot at the moon every time it was full as a preventive of measles and got a shilling for it, they would bring statistics to prove it was a most efficient practice, and that the population would be decimated if it were stopped."---Dr Allinson

"The anthrax vaccine was approved without every doing a controlled clinical study. There is no long term safety data on the anthrax vaccine. The government admitted this in congressional hearings. It is a distortion of the truth to say there is substantial safety data."--Bart Classen

"The vaccinations are not working, and they are dangerous.. We should be working with nature."--Lendon Smith MD

"I once believed in Jenner; I once believed in Pasteur. I believed in vaccination. I believed in vivisection. But I changed my views as the result of hard thinking."--Dr Hadwen

"I have no faith in vaccination; nay, I look upon it with the greatest possible disgust, and firmly believe that it is often the medium of conveying many filthy and loathsome diseases from one child to another, and no protection whatever against small pox. Indeed, I consider we are now living in the JENNERIAN epoch for the slaughter of innocents, and the unthinking portion of the adult population."---W. J. COLLINS, M.D., B.S., B.Sc. (Lond.) M.R.C.S (Letter to Vaccination Inquirer)

The evidence (vaccines cause autism) is now overwhelming, despite the misinformation from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, the American Academy of Pediatrics and the Institute of Medicine. The (Pretending to) Combat Autism Act By Bernard Rimland

I am no longer "trying to dig up evidence to prove" vaccines cause autism. There is already abundant evidence,...... This debate is not scientific but is political. --- [July 9, 2006 Blog/letter] Discovering the causes, treatment of autism ----David Ayoub, MD

"Not one case receiving homeopathic care died, while the "old school" doctors lost twenty percent of their (smallpox) cases.....I gave about three hundred internal vaccinations, five to adults acting as practical nurses; to the man who installed the telephone and lights in the pest-house; to mothers who slept with their children while they had smallpox in its severest form. All of these people, exposed daily, were immune."--W. L. Bonnell, MD

During the last ten years, I have treated and cured all kinds of serious acute diseases without resorting to allopathic drugs. In a very extensive practice, I have not in all these years lost a single case of appendicitis (and not one of them was operated upon), of typhoid fever, diphtheria, smallpox, scarlet fever, etc., and only one case of cerebro-spinal meningitis and of lobar pneumonia. These facts may be verified from the records of the Health Department of the City of Chicago.-----Chapter 16: The Diphtheria Antitoxin (Nature Cure: Philosophy & Practice Based on the Unity of Disease & Cure by Henry Lindlahr, M.D.)

"Based on what I now know, I would not give my children the combined MMR vaccine. I would consider either using the vaccines singly (not available in this country but possible in mainland Europe) or not vaccinating at all. It may be safer for healthy children to catch these illnesses rather than run the risk of immunisation."--Dr Richard Halvorsen

My thirty years experience as a family doctor in the healing arts have convinced me that the greatest threat to life and health in the 21st century, is no longer atomic bombs and nuclear power. The greatest threat to our health today is (by far)the medical community, and one of their most dangerous tools is vaccination - particularly the horrific procedure of injecting foreign protein into newborn infants! My thirty years of experience was preceded by 21 years of military experience during which I faithfully avoided every single vaccination after being subjected to the initial vaccinations given to all new trainees in boot camp. During my 21 years of military life, during which I prepared myself for my final occupation as a family doctor, I cultivated a very different opinion on the subject of vaccines and my final conclusion is that there is no such thing as a safe vaccine -the phrase is oxymoronic. One need not look too diligently to have my assertion confirmed by men much greater than I. If one fails to first consider that the most powerful vested interest in the world is in our own individual belief system and then seek out the source of that system, one does, in the case of modern medicine, completely miss the point.
Without even mentioning the fact that vaccination defies common sense and the use of simple logic, allow me to state that vaccination is the single greatest threat to human life and health today for three reasons:
1. Vaccination was born in the superstitions of Egyptian antiquity 2. Vaccines were given new life by the medieval medical quacks and drug peddling entrepeneurs of the renaissance at a time when almost nothing was known of the immune system. 3. Historical fact demonstrates that vaccination has never cured, prevented or ameliorated a single disease. The evidence is now (and has been for over a century)available to demonstrate that the plagues of old were the results of sudden population explosions with diminished food supplies.
Benjamin Sandler MD, proved beyond the question of a doubt that the polio epidemics proved to be the result of overindulgence in adulterated (high sugar) foods. The plagues of old were due to the lack of animal protein, fresh fruit and vegetables. This resulted in lowered antibody levels with the resultant overgrowth of organisms that thrive in such absences. The rats, mice, fleas and bugs are still with us but the plagues are a thing of the past. What we suffer now is a plague of a different variety, far more dangerous than the plagues of old. Our present plague is the existence of medically driven legislatures and governmental power under the sway of medical "knowitallness". The citizen had better wake up and drive this medical demon out of their governing bodies now while peaceful means to do so are still available. They certainly had better not allow their critical voices to be stilled by the vested interests in their legislatures! -----Dr Daniel H Duffy Sr Family doctor of chiropractic Geneva, Ohio USA

"Meningitis is not a transmissible disease, we do not "catch" it from one another. My first lesson in vaccine propaganda is when I learned, back in the forties, that the "epidemics" of meningitis amongst military recruits were not epidemics but clusters, and the second thing I learned was that only the freshly vaccinated recruits "caught" meningitis. The mess sergeant didn't, the drill sergeant didn't, only the recruits did. Not even the girls who worked at the base exchanges and service clubs, with whom the recruits played kissy face "caught" meningitis - only the freshly vaccinated recruits "caught" it.......In over thirty years of clinical practice I have never seen an infectious hepatitis "caught" by another member of a household and believe me when I say I really looked high and low for one of those. If I found one I would look for a source of the poisoning, not for a germ or a virus"---Daniel H Duffy Sr. DC

"AIDS and SARS are ways for epidemiologists (e.g., the CDC, WHO, etc.) to secure their jobs and continued funding for their agencies. No new emerging epidemics, maybe no CDC, no WHO, so we've got an infrastructure that REQUIRES the "discovery" of new, threatening epidemics. And the media pick a new one every year. This year, it's SARS. For the past couple of years, it's been West Nile Virus. Next year it'll be something else."---- Dr Dan Duffy DC

"Soldiers DID die following the injections which contained mercurous chloride otherwise known as CALOMEL. There WAS a widespread campaign for mercury containing vaccines. There WAS also an outpouring of propaganda [such as our present day SARS, MONKEYPOX, SMALLPOX hype] to frighten the public, there WERE large numbers of deaths at the time, all blamed on “Spanish Flu”. Of course the Spanish Flu was just as bogus in the early 1900s as Swine Flu was in the 70s when President Ford faked his vaccination and helped set our country up for a REAL epidemic [vaccine induced, iatrogenic, Guillaine Barre syndrome]. Spanish Flu was as bogus as the more recent WEST NILE VIRUS, AIDS, SARS, SMALLPOX and MONKEYPOX is today. They are killing the innocent and the ignorant today, just as they have in the past. The deaths from the great flu epidemic of 1918 were caused by the use of CALOMEL, the major biological poison used to treat “sepsis” as it was called in those days. CALOMEL is mercurous chloride and was used by the medical quacks of that day for “anything that ailed you”. Mercury is a deadly poison." Dr. Duffy

"It is now 30 years since I have been confining myself to the treatment of chronic diseases. During those 30 years I have run against so many histories of little children who had never seen a sick day until they were vaccinated and who, in the several years that have followed, have never seen a well day since. I couldn't put my finger on the disease they have. They just weren't strong. Their resistance was gone. They were perfectly well before they were vaccinated. They have never been well since. "---Dr. William Howard Hay

"My own personal view is that vaccines are unsafe and worthless. I will not allow myself to be vaccinated again. .....The bottom line is that infectious diseases are least likely to affect (and to kill) those who have healthy immune systems. I no longer believe that vaccines have any role to play in the protection of the community or the individual. Vaccines may be profitable but, in my view, they are neither safe nor effective. I prefer to put my trust in building up my immune system."---Dr Vernon Coleman MB

"It is clear to me that the government's immunization policies, both the military and civilian, are driven by politics and not by science........The anthrax vaccine was approved without every doing a controlled clinical study. There is no long term safety data on the anthrax vaccine. The government admitted this in congressional hearings. It is a distortion of the truth to say there is substantial safety data....I have published many articles linking vaccines and diabetes. In one study, a clinical trial on the hemophilus vaccine, I showed that the risk of the vaccine exceeds the benefit. This is published by the British medical Journal."--Bart Classen (testimony)

"The CDC did two studies, one study on diabetes and one on asthma.............The studies represent pure junk science that is primarily propaganda."--Bart Classen (letter)

"Vaccines are highly dangerous, have never been adequately studied or proven to be effective, and have a poor risk/reward ratio. Most surgery is unnecessary and most textbooks of medicine are inaccurate and deceptive. Almost every disease is said to be idiopathic (without known cause) or genetic - although this is untrue. In short, our main stream medical system is hopelessly inept and/or corrupt. The treatment of cancer and degenerative diseases is a national scandal. The sooner you learn this, the better off you will be."----Dr. Allan Greenberg 12/24/2002

"The 'victory over epidemics' was not won by medical science or by doctors--and certainly not by vaccines.....the decline...has been the result of technical, social and hygienic improvements and especially of improved nutrition. Here the role of the potato...deserves special mention.....Consider carefully whether you want to let yourself or your children undergo the dangerous, controversial, ineffective and no longer necessary procedure called vaccination, because the claim that vaccinations are the cause for the decline of infectious diseases is utter nonsense."--The Vaccination Nonsense (2004 Lectures)---Dr. med. G. Buchwald ISBN 3-8334-2508-3 page 108.

I'll talk about vaccines. Number one, vaccines make people sick. They don't work. They don't protect. The use of vaccines is totally wrong! It's perfect nonsense based on fear. It's fear of the disease. So, in order for you not to get the disease I, as your doctor, am going to give the disease to you right away, but not as strong. This way your body will know about the disease and, if you ever get it in the future, you won't be as sick the second time......What they say is total nonsense. If I came to you and said, "I'm going to perform a little sexual assault on you---a small rape---because, one day you could meet a rapist and you could be raped. But, it won't be as bad the second time as the first time." This is exactly the same thing as giving someone a vaccine, or a little bit of disease. It's nonsense! Immunization is total nonsense! More than that is what's hidden from people about vaccines. They are dangerous. One child out of five has overwhelming disabilities from vaccines---neurological problems, seizures. I've got a whole list. There are plenty of books on this subject. Doctors don't even read about this. An Interview With Guylaine Lanctot, M.D. By Kenneth & Dee Burke

"In the UK the government Health Authority quotes figures of the measles vaccine as being 90% effective (which means that) 90% of the recipients of the vaccine, produce a certain level of antibodies to the viral agents in the vaccine, 10% have produced no or undetectable levels of antibody. This information has NOT been derived from population studies and as we have already acknowledged, this does NOT indicate what percentage of those people are actually immune, (or, for that matter, how long that apparent immunity lasts). So, to state that the vaccine is 90% effective is somewhat misleading and at any rate inaccurate with regard to a statement of immunity in a real disease situation."--Trevor Gunn BSc

"the US National Academy of Sciences published a report in Sept 1993 in which the American Academy of paediatrics reaffirmed "its long standing position that the benefits of immunisation far outweigh the risks". However, Russell Alexander, a panel member and professor of epidemiology at the University of Washington, says he is disappointed that the panel did not compare the risk of vaccination with the risks of going unvaccinated!.....Since there was no comparison of immunisation with another procedure, or with being unimmunised, the conclusions of the American Academy of Paediatrics are not based on scientific reasoning and are almost meaningless. Their position only serves to illustrate the prejudice that exists within many of those interested in promoting vaccines."---Trevor Gunn BSc

"P.Aaby et al, Pediat Infec DisJ 8:197-200,1989---By comparing groups of children with apparently different vaccination status, this study suggests that measles vaccination reduces mortality by 30%. However, their comparisons in this study would lead one to have serious misgivings about their conclusions. The group used as a "non-vaccinated" group were in fact vaccinated between certain dates. They were found to have undetectable levels of antibody and therefore it was assumed that the vaccine did not work, hence this was used as a ‘control’ non-vaccinated group. Most of a second group of 123 individuals, vaccinated at another time were found to have responded and were therefore used as the vaccinated group. However 15 of this vaccinated group did not seroconvert and they were excluded from the results! Three of these children died!"---Trevor Gunn BSc

I was the first to announce the "autism epidemic", in 1995, and I pointed out in that article that excessive vaccines were a plausible cause of the epidemic. As you know, an enormous amount of clinical laboratory research (as opposed to epidemiological research), has been accumulated since that time, supporting my position. (I did not know then that the vaccines contained mercury, although I had been collecting data since 1967 from the mothers of autistic children, on any dental work they may have had during their pregnancy.) The evidence is now overwhelming, despite the misinformation from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, the American Academy of Pediatrics and the Institute of Medicine. The (Pretending to) Combat Autism Act By Bernard Rimland

"The evidence that vaccines are a major cause of the increase comes from a number of directions. One direction that's been largely ignored are the laboratory studies. There are at least seven laboratory studies, clinical studies, of blood, cerebral, spinal fluid, biopsies of autistic children which show huge differences between autistic children and normal children in terms of the presence of things like measles vaccine virus in their intestinal tract, for example, or their neurons. So, there's one line of evidence. Another, of course, is that we have data from thousands of parents who testify, often with videotapes and photographs and eyewitness reports, that their kid was perfectly normal. And they can demonstrate it, as I say, very conclusively with tapes until after the vaccine. The kid retreated into autism. There's just converging evidence from many, many directions."-- (Nov 2002) Bernard Rimland PhD

"McCully is but the most recent of a long list of pioneers who suffered outrageous injustices at the hands of dogmatic authorities who are so sure that they are right that they never trouble themselves to consider the evidence. How many millions of lives would have been saved if the authorities had been less smug?"--Dr Rimland

"When the link between the use of unsafe, mercury-laden vaccine and autism, ADHD, asthma, allergies and diabetes becomes undeniable, mainstream medicine will be sporting a huge, self-inflicted and well-deserved black eye. Then will come the billion-dollar awards, by enraged juries, to the children and their families. I can't wait."--Dr Rimland

"Autism is not the only severe chronic illness which has reached epidemic proportions as the number of (profitable) vaccines has rapidly increased. Children now receive 33 vaccines before they enter school – a huge increase. The vaccines contain not only live viruses but also very significant amounts of highly toxic substances such as mercury, aluminum and formaldehyde. Could this be the reason for the upsurge in autism, ADHD, asthma, arthritis, Crohn’s disease, lupus and other chronic disorders?"---Dr Rimland

"Much attention has been focused on the MMR shot itself, whereas in all probability it is a combination of the three factors listed above: the increasing number of vaccines, the large amount of mercury, and the inherent danger of the triple vaccine.....The MMR vaccine is also especially suspect because laboratories in England, Ireland, and Japan have found evidence of MMR vaccine viruses in the intestinal tracts of autistic children, but not in control group, non-autistic children."---Dr Rimland

"They claim that autism naturally occurs at about 18 months, when the MMR is routinely given, so the association is merely coincidental and not causal. But the onset of autism at 18 months is a recent development. Autism starting at 18 months rose very sharply in the mid-1980s, when the MMR vaccine came into wide use. A coincidence? Hardly!"--Dr Rimland

A number of clinical laboratory studies demonstrate that vaccines may cause chronic damage to the G.I. tract, immune system, brain, and other organs. Several such studies have been reported in past issues of the ARRI. Wakefield, Sabra, Singh, O'Leary and Kawashima are among the authors whose work documents lingering vaccine effect on children on the autistic spectrum, compared to normal controls. The IOM report pays little heed to this evidence, instead focusing attention on several deeply flawed epidemiological studies."---Dr Rimland

"The only safety testing that has ever been done on the pertussis vaccine in the past 50 years is an unproven method called the Mouse Weight Gain Test. The "scientists" inject the vaccine to be tested into the stomachs of baby mice. If the mice continue to gain weight and don't die right away, it is assumed the vaccine is safe and effective for humans. That's it! I'm not making this up!.......The only toxicity test required for the initial licensing of the DPT vaccine in the United States was this mouse weight-gain test 60 years ago."-----The Sanctity of Human Blood By Tim O'Shea p. 69

"Whenever we read vaccine papers the MD researchers always assume that if there are high antibody levels after vaccination, then there is immunity (immunogencity). But are antibody levels and immunity the same? No! Antibody levels are not the same as IMMUNITY. The recent MUMPS vaccine fiasco in Switzerland has re-emphasized this point. Three mumps vaccines-Rubini, Jeryl-Lynn and Urabe (the one withdrawn because it caused encephalitis) all produced excellent antibody levels but those vaccinated with the Rubini strain had the same attack rate as those not vaccinated at all, there were some who said that it actually caused outbreaks. Ref: Schegal M et al Comparative efficacy of three mumps vaccines during disease outbreak in Switzerland: cohort study. BMJ, 1999; 319:352-3."--Ted Koren DC

"The FTC lawyers said I couldn't criticize childhood vaccinations. They said I (we) terrify parents with statements about chiropractic, childhood vaccinations and natural health care."--Ted Koren DC

"Childhood vaccines are giving us a world of chronic illness: autism, developmental disorders, Asperger's Syndrome, brain tumors, leukemia, cancers, information processing disorders, impulsive violence, allergies, asthma, diabetes, Crohn's disease, intestinal disorders.(all conditions rare before mass vaccination) are just some of the vaccine associated disorders."--Ted Koren DC

"When I was seven I had pneumonia. Dr. Iserson (MD) made a house call and gave me a shot. It accidentally struck a nerve and I was left partially paralyzed with unrelenting inner leg pain. I walked around our apartment grabbing furniture so I wouldn't fall. When Dr. Iserson next arrived my grandmother brought him to my bedroom to see me. "What did you do to my grandchild?" she yelled at him. He stood there mute. She physically threw him out of our apartment (really) and called the chiropractor. After Dr. Friedland's first adjustment I could walk again. After the second one my pneumonia was gone, and after the third I was as good as new. He charged $5.00 a visit."--Ted Koren DC

"Many viral infectious diseases have been cured and can continue to be cured by the proper administration of Vitamin C. Yes, the vaccinations for these treatable infectious diseases are completely unnecessary when one has the access to proper treatment with vitamin C. And, yes, all the side effects of vaccinations...are also completely unnecessary since the vaccinations do not have to be given in the first place with the availability of properly dosed vitamin C."---Dr Thomas Levy M.D., J.D. (Vitamin C, Infectious Diseases and Toxins p30)

"Amazingly, vitamin C has actually already been documented in the medical literature to have readily and consistently cured both acute polio and acute hepatitis, two viral diseases still considered by modern medicine to be incurable." - Thomas E. Levy, MD, JD

All three children had different doctors. The little girl under Klenner's care was given 10,000 mg of vitamin C as a slow intravenous "push" with a 50 cc syringe every eight hours for the first 24 hours and then every 12 hours for two more doses. Following this she was given 1,000 mg of vitamin C every two hours by mouth. Klenner also notes that a 40,000-unit dose of antitoxin was injected into the little girl's abdomen. The other two children received the antitoxin as well, but they did not receive any vitamin C. They both died but Klenner's patient survived, later becoming a nurse. ---Vitamin C, Infectious Diseases, and Toxins: Curing the Incurable by Thomas E. Levy, M.D., J.D.

"Acute viral hepatitis...is easily and completely curable with treated promptly with adequate doses of vitamin C ...some evidence indicates that a high dose of vitamin C for a long enough period of time would probably resolve (chronic hepatitis) as well in many of the cases.......A significant benefit of properly dosed vitamin C would be the elimination of any need or reason to vaccinate people against hepatitis."---Dr Thomas Levy M.D., J.D. (Vitamin C, Infectious Diseases and Toxins pgs 60, 66)

"As a clinician, my current belief which guides my practice with these children is that any child given the HepB vaccination at birth and subsequent boosters along with DPT has received unacceptable levels of neurotoxin in the form of the ethyl mercury in the thimerosal preservative used in the vaccine. In any child with a genetic immune susceptibility (probably about one in six) this sets off a series of events that injure the brain-gut-immune system. By the time they are ready to receive the MMR vaccination, their immune system is so impaired in a great number of these children that the triple vaccine cannot be handled by the now dysfunctional immune system and they begin their obvious descent into the autistic spectrum disorder."---Jaquelyn McCandless, M.D

"In 1926, 130 members of the Dallas (Tex.) Chamber of Commerce cancelled their trip to Mexico because vaccination was required as a precedent to entrance. Nearly a 100 medical men, at a conference in Dallas, went to Mexico, after they obtained permission to enter without being vaccinated. Think this over before you submit your child to this evil and superstitious rite."--Dr Shelton DC Vaccines and Serum Evils by Herbert Shelton (c1940's)

Cdr. Megan Ryan has found that women vaccinated for anthrax during the first trimester have a higher rate of birth defects in offspring than unvaccinated women. Apparently this research was compelling enough, despite an army study to the contrary, for the FDA in 2002 to change the pregnancy warning on the vaccine label from a C (no data on risk) to a D (data suggests increased risk during pregnancy). However, the data have not yet been published. Dr. Maria Araneta, also associated with the Naval Health Research Center and University of California, has shown that GW veterans are also likelier than controls to have children with certain birth defects. My understanding of the safety of anthrax vaccine and its role in GWS ---Meryl Nass MD

Several years ago, in conjunction with the Hartford Courant newspaper, I reviewed the first 1660 anthrax vaccine adverse events reports to FDA (found in the Vaccine Adverse Effect Reporting System (VAERS)), and found that about 160 met the CDC's case definition for GWS. Most of those reporting had not been to the Gulf. ........The low rate of GWS in French troops, who were unvaccinated, had used prophylactic doxycycline and consumed cleaner, bottled water, needed explanation. The issue of whether small numbers of French troops who did develop GWS were in liaison positions, and were vaccinated alongside US and UK units, has been raised by the French Ministry of Defense, but to my knowledge has not been resolved. My understanding of the safety of anthrax vaccine and its role in GWS ---Meryl Nass MD



"With the polio vaccine we are witnessing a rerun of the medical reluctance to abandon the smallpox vaccination, which remained as the only source of smallpox-related deaths for three decades after the disease had disappeared. Think of it! For thirty years kids died from smallpox vaccinations even though no longer threatened by the disease."----Dr Robert Mendelsohn, M.D.

"Being a skeptical soul, I have always believed that the most reliable way to determine what people really believe is to observe what they do, not what they say. If the greatest threat of rubella is not to children, but to the fetus yet unborn, pregnant women should be protected against rubella by making certain that their obstetricians won't give them the disease. Yet, in a California survey reported in the Journal of the American Medical Association, more than 90 percent of the obstetrician-gynecologists refused to be vaccinated. If doctors themselves are afraid of the vaccine, why on earth should the law require that you and other parents allow them to administer it to your kids?"--Dr Mendelsohn MD

"Doctors maintain that the (MMR) inoculation is necessary to prevent measles encephalitis, which they say occurs about once in 1,000 cases. After decades of experience with measles, I question this statistic, and so do many other pediatricians. The incidence of 1/1,000 may be accurate for children who live in conditions of poverty and malnutrition, but in the middle-and upper-income brackets, if one excludes simple sleepiness from the measles itself, the incidence of true encephalitis is probably more like 1/10,000 or 1/100,000."------Dr Mendelsohn

"There are significant risks associated with every immunization and numerous contraindictions that may make it dangerous for the shots to be given to your child....There is growing suspicion that immunization against relatively harmless childhood diseases may be responsible for the dramatic increase in autoimmune diseases since mass inoculations were introduced. These are fearful diseases such as cancer, leukemia, rheumatoid arthritis, multiple sclerosis, Lou Gehrig's disease, lupus erthematosus, and the Guillain-Barre syndrome." Dr Mendelsohn, M.D.

"Did you know that the whooping cough germ, Bacillus pertussis, when injected into animals, has long been known to lead to the secretion of insulin? In 1979, at the Fourth International Symposium on Pertussis, held in Bethesda, Maryland, it was shown that this same result occurs in those who have received pertussis vaccine. In their publication, "Adverse Reactions after Pertussis Vaccination," Drs. W. Hennessen and U. Quast suggest, "It seemed of interest to examine these reactions in comparison with the hypoglycemia syndrome.. . .There was a close relation between the two.’ If your child has juvenile diabetes (a disease characterized by wide swings in blood sugar levels), ask your doctor if he has ever heard of this effect of whooping cough vaccine. Maybe it’s time to investigate whether the pertussis vaccine has anything to do with the rapidly rising number of people with juvenile diabetes, adult diabetes, and hypoglycemic all disorders of insulin metabolism."---Dr Mendelsohn MD (the Peoples Doctor Vol 6 No10)

"Because routine immunizations that bring parents back for repeated office calls are the bread and butter of their specialty, pediatricians continue to defend them to the death. The question parents should be asking is: ‘Whose death?’” -----Robert Mendelsohn, MD

"For a pediatrician to attack what has become the "bread and butter" of pediatric practice is equivalent to a priest denying the infallibility of the pope.-------Dr Robert Mendelsohn, M.D.

"Up to 90% of the total decline in the death rate of children between 1860-1965 because of whooping cough, scarlet fever, diptheria, and measles occured before the introduction of immunisations and antibiotics."---Dr Archie Kalokerinos, M.D. (Introduction to AIDS Time Bomb by John West)

"In 1976 I was working in the Gulf Country around Cape York, in an aboriginal community of about 300 people. The Health Department sent around a team and vaccinated about 100 of them against flu. Six were dead within 24 hours or so and they weren't all old people, one man being in his early twenties. They threw the bodies in trucks to take to the coast where autopsies were done. It appeared they had died from heart attacks".---Archie Kalokerinos M.D.
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Do you know anyone with rhumatoid? Lupus? Chronic fatigue syndrome?
Fibromalgia? Ms.? Etc...the list goes on...these are all effects from vaccinations...

For new mothers...if you have to give your child the mmr, then do not follow the schedule, tell your doctor you wish to spread them out...it will reduce the shock to your infants system.
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That doesn't surprise me.
Look at animal's examples for instance, heart problems and other diseases they didn't get before existing vaccination plan for pets.
Today,pets have the most incredible diseases, autoimmune diseaases, canine autism(!)and other neurological diseases they didn't have before!!!!!
Is it diffferent with us,humans?? I don't think so.
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It is different because people treat their dogs like people when they are animals that are to live in the wild, outdoors, hunt their own food etc.
Many of the issues that dogs have are to cheap flea/tick medicine and dog food. Idiots try to make their own dog food and don't do it properly by cooking the food (animals do not cook food, they need the fresh blood, marrow, etc. from animals they've caught) or giving their animals wet dog food from a can or horrible non-nutritive dry dog food.
Many people have dogs in environments that the dog is not meant to be in (having a Husky in Arizona, Chihuahua in Montana) and there are issues with that. Dogs are also not meant to be indoor dogs where the air is not fresh but circulated and filtered, as well as being exposed to cleaning products that are irritants and human dander which is just as allergic to dogs as dog dander is to humans.
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It's true too what you said, but don't dismiss vacciantions!!!! neurological diseases are not cause from "dislocation" (husky living in a desert f.ex.). Vaccination plays a big role on some diseases that didn't exist before pet vaccination plans. We think it makes us stronger,when in fact makes you more weak!

Don't forget, Big Pharma makes profit on illness. You don't serve them when you are healthy. Sad but true.
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Ok, I give you that. I do try homeopathic remedies before ever going to the doctor. I do not get the flu vaccine, nor do I give it to my son.
In one instance, I did break down and go to the E.R. when I developed a SERIOUS torso rash from perfume that I am now (after five years of using it, different bottles though) allergic to. I had to go on a round of steroids because I was starting to go into shock.
Big Pharma does control us; unfortunately they also provide real medicines that do CURE. I give my son the 'routine' vaccines because I had relatives that were affected by Measles, Mumps, Rubella, and Polio. I do not give him the Chicken Pox nor the flu vaccines. I do not think vaccinating against basic illnesses are a good idea and I do think they are, to a certain extent, testing on our children.
Fortunately I have not met anyone who had a child that was severely disabled and my own son has not developed any disabilities from receiving the vaccines.
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bsflag...your children's die-t and body pH level determine health...the more acid a body and filled with unnatural additives, then the more sicknesses...777 is the number of god which equals 77.7 natural food and drink pH for your temple and kingdom...I RV secret society's so i know...you want to a 'jesus' then a 'god' in your temple and your kingdom,then check out my thread> 777 Is The Number Of God And I Am God.
How unfortunate for some rulers when men,women,and children continue to think... Keep repeating the lies loud enough and long enough and just maybe the people will start to believe the lies again and good luck with that...finding your energy open until mars becomes raging aries...
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How do we know if it is the vaccines that are causing the illness or the illness being reduced due to the fact
the children were looked after better because their parents
were more health conscious and hence likely to not vaccinate their kids?

Could vacinated + health conscious provide better results?

Need a randomised placebo test to prove this.
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I also never understand how an un-vaccinated child can be a risk to those around them who have been vaccinated. Surly they could be surrounded by ill children and have no fear if vaccinations are to be believed?
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My daughter doesnt get any vacs but the school called back in May and told me they had an outbreak of Chicken-pox and that i needed ta take my daughter out of school.

I asked the nurse if the children that came down with the pox were up-dated with their vacs....

why yes,yes all of them were...
I left my daughter in school and she did not catch the CP!

True story....
TEXAS
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I call b.s. on this because I am in Texas, have lived here all of my life, and you cannot attend school (public, private or daycare) here without being vaccinated.
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Yeah I've noticed this about women, my sister is the exact same way. Got all my nephews and nieces vaccinated up the wazoo. One of em has aspergers, other one is showing signs of social problems, and the youngest is having physical developmental problems.
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Same here, my syster won't stop vaccinating because the doctor says asperbergers and autism has nothing to do with it. Even though she knows for sure its not genetical because of her identical twins one is autist the other is not.
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So what about the millions of children that get the vaccines and nothing is wrong with them?
So sure it's not 'genetical'? Wtf is genetical?
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She is from another country so I am sure English is not her primary language. Why not take the time to see where the poster is from before looking like an idiot?
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I don't feel as if I look like an idiot for calling someone out on a made-up word due to the very real possibility that English could be a first language due to relocation. Every other aspect of her post, with the exception of misspelling 'sister', is correct. Whether or not English is her first language is none of my concern. Whether or not someone is presenting a valid argument is, especially when it is over a matter such as this discussion.
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Blah some strawmen to make a point.

I see people condemming vaccines. I bet those same people
would be pro vaccine if it was on their side.

For example there's the Issels cancer vaccine.
Outside of mainstream and on "their" side of the fence.
[link to www.issels.com]

Is that safe and effective or BS and doesn't work
like all the other vaccines?
By their argument it's BS so that kind of makes Issels
anti cancer treatment BS too right? I guess not.

People say the vaccine did not eradicate polio and it was
renamed. If this was the case where are all the bodies
of people who need the Iron Lung to breath?

It died out naturally right like smallpox? bleh...
If this is the case how come it has not in unvaccinated countries.

Someoone said it's the mercury but there's studies of
vaccines vs a placebo (Yes a saline placebo and not
a placebo composed of the vaccine filler (mercury) agent.)

If it is the mercury then removing the mercury makes
the vaccine safe and effective right?

Need _proper_ science not observational studies
filled with selection bias and uncertainty.
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People say the vaccine did not eradicate polio and it was
renamed. If this was the case where are all the bodies
of people who need the Iron Lung to breath?
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Iron Lungs are obsolete technology, retardo, today victims of Fallcid Paralysis (pre.1960 polio) breathe with more discrete apparatuses such as this:

[link to image1.masterfile.com]
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That doesn't surprise me.
Look at animal's examples for instance, heart problems and other diseases they didn't get before existing vaccination plan for pets.
Today,pets have the most incredible diseases, autoimmune diseaases, canine autism(!)and other neurological diseases they didn't have before!!!!!
Is it diffferent with us,humans?? I don't think so.
 Quoting: Mindlouka


It is different because people treat their dogs like people when they are animals that are to live in the wild, outdoors, hunt their own food etc.
Many of the issues that dogs have are to cheap flea/tick medicine and dog food. Idiots try to make their own dog food and don't do it properly by cooking the food (animals do not cook food, they need the fresh blood, marrow, etc. from animals they've caught) or giving their animals wet dog food from a can or horrible non-nutritive dry dog food.
Many people have dogs in environments that the dog is not meant to be in (having a Husky in Arizona, Chihuahua in Montana) and there are issues with that. Dogs are also not meant to be indoor dogs where the air is not fresh but circulated and filtered, as well as being exposed to cleaning products that are irritants and human dander which is just as allergic to dogs as dog dander is to humans.
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It's true too what you said, but don't dismiss vacciantions!!!! neurological diseases are not cause from "dislocation" (husky living in a desert f.ex.). Vaccination plays a big role on some diseases that didn't exist before pet vaccination plans. We think it makes us stronger,when in fact makes you more weak!

Don't forget, Big Pharma makes profit on illness. You don't serve them when you are healthy. Sad but true.
 Quoting: Mindlouka


Ok, I give you that. I do try homeopathic remedies before ever going to the doctor. I do not get the flu vaccine, nor do I give it to my son.
In one instance, I did break down and go to the E.R. when I developed a SERIOUS torso rash from perfume that I am now (after five years of using it, different bottles though) allergic to. I had to go on a round of steroids because I was starting to go into shock.
Big Pharma does control us; unfortunately they also provide real medicines that do CURE. I give my son the 'routine' vaccines because I had relatives that were affected by Measles, Mumps, Rubella, and Polio. I do not give him the Chicken Pox nor the flu vaccines. I do not think vaccinating against basic illnesses are a good idea and I do think they are, to a certain extent, testing on our children.
Fortunately I have not met anyone who had a child that was severely disabled and my own son has not developed any disabilities from receiving the vaccines.
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I don't blame you. After all,you just do what you think it's best for your dear ones.
I won't be giving vaccinations to my child,I don't trust them... hf
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If it is the mercury then removing the mercury makes
the vaccine safe and effective right?
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Mercury is just one hazard in vaccines, but there remain other hazards:

1. Risksk associated with the injection procedure itself:

[link to www.who.int]

2. Risks ssociated to a variety of "coadjuvants", the most dangerous of which appear to be aluminium salts (all vaccines have them):

Aluminum Vaccine Adjuvants: Are they Safe?

[link to www.benthamdirect.org]


Do aluminum vaccine adjuvants contribute to the rising prevalence of autism?

[link to www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov]

3. Effectivity is an issue completely different from toxicity and requires coontrolled clinical trials as proof (never done!)
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I am in medical school and I actually take offense to the fact that there are people that refuse to vacinnate their children because they are crazy. I think you should be thrown in jail because I have to treat your children and tell them that there is nothing I can do because mommy and daddy think plants will cure hepatitis. Please sterilize yourself or give your children up for adoption because you are not sane enough to be a parent.
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Looks like med school is doing a great job at brainwashing you. Vaccines do have their place but the myriad of vaccines given to children are harming them. Do some research and keep an open mind.
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Most of them only listen to their "schools".
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I've never heard a lie in school!?!!!?

No Way!!

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Thanks for posting thishf

Great Thread!bump
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bullshit vaccines are good for you
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Opposing the vaccines is something for educated perents, moron.

[link to www.nytimes.com]

"..While the picture of an unvaccinated child was once that of the offspring of poor and uneducated parents, “exempters” are often well educated and financially stable, and hold a host of like-minded child-rearing beliefs...."
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I fail to see the logic that is used by pro-vaccine folks. They claim that "public health" is at risk if some people refuse vaccines. If vaccines work and you get your vaccine does it really matter what I do? If I get a disease that I chose not to be vaccinated for and it kills me that's my stupid ass. If vaccines work it does not matter if you are around me and I die from the disease as long as you have been vaccinated against the disease. Your vaccine should keep you safe, right?

Apparently that may not be the case though according to the article post above. The pro-vaccine folks claim that vaccines save lives. Well according to the article in the link above that isn't always the case. Quoted from article:

"For instance, in a 2006 mumps outbreak in Iowa that infected 219 people, the majority of those sickened had been vaccinated. In a 2005 measles outbreak in Indiana, there were 34 cases, including six people who had been vaccinated."

If people who WERE vaccinated still got sick then what's the point of a vaccine? I still fail to see the logic that is used by the pro-vaccine folks.

Perhaps vaccines aren't as effective as the med establishment claims and the only reason people don't get sick from the disease they have been vaccinated against, thus giving them the sense that vaccines work, is because (thanks to vaccines) there is no disease to come into contact with. That's all fine and well as long as you stay in the community where everyone has the vaccine but as soon as some outsider comes in everything can go to hell. Same issue if you choose to leave your vaccinated community. You may come into contact with the disease and get it even though you are vaccinated against it. That's no good in my opinion. I would rather get the disease and develop a natural immunity to it since natural immunity is good for life. We have no idea how long induced immunity found in vaccines lasts.
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I think most people here knows that vaccinations are made to make people sicker and not healthier. Now we just need to get that knowledge out to the common guy in the street as well.
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06/19/2012 01:16 PM
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Re: Vaccinated children have up to 500% more disease than unvaccinated children
Hi
How do we know if it is the vaccines that are causing the illness or the illness being reduced due to the fact
the children were looked after better because their parents
were more health conscious and hence likely to not vaccinate their kids?

Could vacinated + health conscious provide better results?

Need a randomised placebo test to prove this.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1103018


I also never understand how an un-vaccinated child can be a risk to those around them who have been vaccinated. Surly they could be surrounded by ill children and have no fear if vaccinations are to be believed?
 Quoting: WeAreOne


My daughter doesnt get any vacs but the school called back in May and told me they had an outbreak of Chicken-pox and that i needed ta take my daughter out of school.

I asked the nurse if the children that came down with the pox were up-dated with their vacs....

why yes,yes all of them were...
I left my daughter in school and she did not catch the CP!

True story....
TEXAS
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I call b.s. on this because I am in Texas, have lived here all of my life, and you cannot attend school (public, private or daycare) here without being vaccinated.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4727082


I am also in Texas and you CAN exempt your kids from vaccines and still send them to whatever school you want. It's the law in Texas. Parents CAN opt their kids out. There are no "forced vaccines." At least not yet.
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People say the vaccine did not eradicate polio and it was
renamed. If this was the case where are all the bodies
of people who need the Iron Lung to breath?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1103018


Iron Lungs are obsolete technology, retardo, today victims of Fallcid Paralysis (pre.1960 polio) breathe with more discrete apparatuses such as this:

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 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1297793


There was a thread about this not to long ago.

I can't find it.

Doctors renaming dieseases because the vaccines didn't really work.

Polio is just called something else now to cover it up.
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I think most people here knows that vaccinations are made to make people sicker and not healthier. Now we just need to get that knowledge out to the common guy in the street as well.
 Quoting: Maggador


I just can't imagine why a hospital would want you to be sick?

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06/19/2012 01:35 PM
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This is not really 'news'. When you look around the world and see the countries that vaccinate, how their kids get sick easily, are all medicated up (more profit for Big Pharma) it is obvious to the casual observer.
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Re: Vaccinated children have up to 500% more disease than unvaccinated children
I am in medical school and I actually take offense to the fact that there are people that refuse to vacinnate their children because they are crazy. I think you should be thrown in jail because I have to treat your children and tell them that there is nothing I can do because mommy and daddy think plants will cure hepatitis. Please sterilize yourself or give your children up for adoption because you are not sane enough to be a parent.
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I take offense to the fact that you are in medical school and can't spell properly.
 Quoting: IndigoSerenity76


Imagine what this "doc" will do to your child.

After seeing future "docs" in their filthy frat houses and rentals on UC Davis campus......I realized that we need vaccine againts stupid with no ethics "docs".

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