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To forgive is divine?

 
Ardhanarishvara

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06/19/2012 08:26 AM
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The slave-minded are harming themselves, rather than saying "yes" to themselves they say "No" to everything that isn't them!
 Quoting: Ardhanarishvara


That makes more sense.

Thanks.
 Quoting: Scuba7

You're welcome, i love talking about Nietzsche :)

To put it really crudely, the slave-minded sit around unhappy and bitching about how it's not fair, how they are powerless; rather than becoming powerful themselves!

Nietzsche uses christianity as the example. The title of the essay i quoted is key: "Good and Evil,"Good and Bad". For the noble minded, the good - bad distinction is like that of skill; good at being alive, or bad at being alive. For the slave-minded, those who are better at being alive than they are become considered "evil", to grant themselves an imaginary status as 'good'! xxx

Last Edited by Ardhanarishvara on 06/19/2012 08:26 AM
:sun:Ardhanarishvara | You died, and death was complete freedom from suffering - bliss. But it very quickly got lonely and repetitive in bliss, so you decided to be born once more. You've been doing this forever.

Whilst I may not agree with what you say, I will defend to the death my right to disagree with you.

Some say "think outside the box". I say "what fucking box?!" xx:taosmilie:
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06/19/2012 08:28 AM
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The Divine looks life transparently. It knows why individuals arrive at their decisions and that everyone is doing the best they can given their life circumstances. Thus no forgiveness is required.
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So, people can knowingly control and intimidate others, and be considered doing their best?
 Quoting: MissFortune


Yes. The environment conditioned them in such a way that they are thinking it is in their best interest to control, intimidate, kill etc. If you take two identical twins, one raised with a "do good" conditioning and another with a "do what you have to, because life is harsh out there", they will have different programming in their minds.

Our thoughts patterns and behaviors are directly affected by our programming. Time-space coordinates play a huge role in this programming. It's not only where, but also when. What was considered "normal" 200 years ago (slavery), isn't today. And what is considered "normal" today won't be in 50 years. Our stimulation of what is wrong and right is programming us to act in certain ways. And the Divine looks our life holistically. It knows how we arrive at each of our decisions due to our past programming and thus forgiveness is effortlessly applied.
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the slave-minded sit around unhappy and bitching about how it's not fair, how they are powerless; rather than becoming powerful themselves!
 Quoting: Ardhanarishvara


Now that is the good stuff right there.

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Do not take memories of what happened yesterday, into what might happen today.

When love is your greatest weakness, you will be the strongest person in the world.
Ardhanarishvara

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Part of the reason i'm banging on about Nietzsche is to get this mindset across:

The noble-minded know when to forgive; when it is appropriate. It is a true power.

The slave-minded resent, because it gives them a sense of power, which is entirely illusory.

Last Edited by Ardhanarishvara on 06/19/2012 08:29 AM
:sun:Ardhanarishvara | You died, and death was complete freedom from suffering - bliss. But it very quickly got lonely and repetitive in bliss, so you decided to be born once more. You've been doing this forever.

Whilst I may not agree with what you say, I will defend to the death my right to disagree with you.

Some say "think outside the box". I say "what fucking box?!" xx:taosmilie:
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06/19/2012 08:35 AM
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The noble-minded know when to forgive; when it is appropriate. It is a true power.

The slave-minded resent, because it gives them a sense of power, which is entirely illusory.
 Quoting: Ardhanarishvara


I always forgave people but right now I am at war with humanity.

Its me against the world right now. My world of truth, honor and love, against "their" reality. So it is becoming hard to forgive some of the whole, when the whole, as a whole, is sick and twisted.

I need to meet other like-hearted people, if there are any.

Last Edited by Scuba7 on 06/19/2012 08:36 AM
Do not take memories of what happened yesterday, into what might happen today.

When love is your greatest weakness, you will be the strongest person in the world.
Ardhanarishvara

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06/19/2012 08:37 AM
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The noble-minded know when to forgive; when it is appropriate. It is a true power.

The slave-minded resent, because it gives them a sense of power, which is entirely illusory.
 Quoting: Ardhanarishvara


I always forgave people but right now I am at war with humanity.

Its me against the world. So it is becoming hard to forgive some of the whole, when the whole, as a whole, is sick and twisted.

I need to meet other like-hearted people, if there are any.
 Quoting: Scuba7


I understand your position.

Have you seen the film revolver? There's a significant, recurring theme in that film: "the only way to get smarter is to play a smarter opponent".

For Nietzsche, the noble-minded accept enemies and opponents. In a way, they love their opponents more than their friends, because their opponents challenge them, they allow the game to take place.

Without opposition, there's no challenge, no game, no fun. You can't play chess on your own! Forgiveness, then, is born out of respect for the challenge the opposition presents.


Would you like to talk more about Nietzsche via PM? xx

Last Edited by Ardhanarishvara on 06/19/2012 08:37 AM
:sun:Ardhanarishvara | You died, and death was complete freedom from suffering - bliss. But it very quickly got lonely and repetitive in bliss, so you decided to be born once more. You've been doing this forever.

Whilst I may not agree with what you say, I will defend to the death my right to disagree with you.

Some say "think outside the box". I say "what fucking box?!" xx:taosmilie:
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Love as the foundation - not the chasing of a dollar, and the oppressing of individuals freedom to be themselves.
 Quoting: MissFortune


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 Quoting: Scuba7


That is so sweet lol...but what it says is so true, but to forgive is to let go and pray one day they let go too, and if it's with your help, you get a beautiful gift in the end.

I love you for your thoughts from the heart, I feel the words, very nice

Oxx

hf
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To forgive is not to forget, or even grant pardon. I truley do love others and I believe in your dreams as well. :) I hope you feel a little happy in your heart today OP. I love you, and I don't need to know you to love you.
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