To forgive is divine?

One of the things that hurt most about humanity was the realization that the average person could not see through illusions and realize the person behind the mirror.

You were given free will for a reason and yet you refused to take any responsibility in your lives. And you wonder why you are farmed, and why He never came to save you?!

Well I am sorry to say, but He is not coming.

People do not actually love each other, they love illusions. Ghosts if you will.

And that is a sad thing wake up to.

Illusions are easy to create, anyone can act like a man and others will fall for it.

But to be a man, takes courage, and effort, and persistence. To be a man requires you to get up each and every time you are knocked down. To be a man is an endless search for truth and justice.

To be a man; to be me, is the hardest thing you could ever imagine.

And when you wake up and realize that you are the only one who really cares, the only one will to die for your beliefs, the only one who searches for what others hide from, you lose heart. You drop your head in disgust and wish to go home.

So crucify the ego
before it's far too late
to leave behind this place so
negative and blind and cynical.

Forgive them all for they really do not know what they do.
Your Light is hidden within, do not deny its presence any more.

He resides in your heart.

Yes, He does.

He is willing to come out if you stop this Truman Show BS game.

Time to get busy living, or get busy dying.

It is hard.

They are so ignorant, so controlling, so selfish.

The Divine looks life transparently. It knows why individuals arrive at their decisions and that everyone is doing the best they can given their life circumstances. Thus no forgiveness is required.

"To channel water, you dig ditches; to light your house, you install electric wires; and to receive radio and television programmes, you need equipment with circuits that will transmit sound and images. I could give you countless such examples to help you understand that human beings must also inscribe something in themselves. They must create circuits and channels, in order to capture divine energies and allow them to circulate! How can people think that God’s wisdom, love and willpower will find a path in them if they have prepared nothing, if they have not prepared the way? This path is etched by our actions, but also, of course, by the thoughts and feelings which anticipate these actions. If nothing is prepared, the divine energies which circulate in space will not flow to us, they will go elsewhere."

"Whatever you may say, it is your behaviour which proves whether or not you have faith. By your behaviour you demonstrate whether your faith is sustained by your love, your intelligence, your knowledge and your willpower. To believe in God is to know one is a son or daughter of God, and to strive to live in accordance with this relationship. A child of God knows not only that he is heir to the qualities and powers of his heavenly Father and Mother, but that he must do everything possible to develop them and thus become master of his destiny. Every action that is not inspired by true wisdom and love produces toxic matter in a human being which prevents the manifestation of his divinity. One who knows that God is his Father has only to clear and purify the space between this Father and himself. "

"Most people are too obsessed by the glories of earth to understand how the glory of God manifests. In the painting and sculpture of sacred art, Christ and the triangle of the Holy Trinity are always shown surrounded by rays of light, and it is these rays of light that we call ‘the glory’. Glory, therefore, is the luminous, dazzling manifestation of divine life. God is not a vain and tyrannical monarch who demands that we celebrate His greatness and power. He has no need for us to sing His praises, for nothing we might say of Him could add anything to Him. Rather it is we who need to glorify Him, so that we may enter into His light. But what does it mean, to glorify God? It does not mean to repeat that He is powerful and wise. It is in our efforts to purify our thoughts, our feelings, our desires and our actions that we glorify God. In doing so we will enter into the light of divine glory and, wherever this light falls, we too will be present."

"It is theologians who have done the most to muddle the question of grace. They present it as an arbitrary and inexplicable manifestation of the Divinity, which certain people receive and others don’t. They have no idea why it works in this way. It has nothing to do with one’s behaviour; this is just the way it is. Well, how unfair! The question of grace is actually easy to understand if we start with a very simple example. You are having a house built, but once the walls are finished, you realize you haven’t the money to continue. So you go to a bank, and if the bank sees that you have some capital, it agrees to lend you a certain sum. Will the bank extend credit to everyone? No, but if you already have capital – a piece of land or certain assets – it is willing to make up the difference. In the same way, grace is not distributed to everyone, but only to those who are already prepared, who are building something and have some capital. It says: ‘This man works, he prays, he meditates; he is building his temple, so I will give him enough to finish the job.’ Grace, then, is something more than justice, and yet it obeys a certain justice."

"Why do people always dwell on what they lack and so rarely on what they have? Everywhere they parade their petty cares and woes: ‘I ache here… I don’t have this or that…’ Why don’t they say to themselves each day: ‘I have arms, legs, a mouth, eyes and ears. The Lord has put all the riches of heaven and earth at my disposal.’ Every day you must remember that you are a son or daughter of God and that you can rediscover yourself as you were in the far distant past when you emanated from the bosom of the Eternal. You fell from this state when, like the prodigal son in the parable, you sought life far from the paternal home. But now you are able to return. This return to the Father, this ‘reintegration of humanity’, occurs when we once again become masters of ourselves and of the forces of nature, when at last we regain our dignity as heirs of our heavenly Father. Why then do people always dwell on the little things they lack?"

"Sometimes a magnificent idea crosses your mind: it fills you with wonder and transports you to a world of purity and light. In reality, this idea is a spiritual being who has paid you a visit. Yes, for an idea is not only a mental process but a living entity which passes through you. If, instead of preserving this divine idea with great care and placing yourself in its service, you ask yourself what you will gain from it on the material plane, or what your wife, children and neighbours will think of you, you will drive away this divine visitor, and you will be the poorer for it. So, be attentive and, from now on, work to cleanse and purify yourself when such an idea comes to visit, so that it remains within you and brings you abundance and beauty."

"Life is everywhere. All nature is alive, all creatures are alive, yet how few men and women know what life is! When they find themselves in difficulty, they exclaim: ‘What can you expect? That’s life!’ They understand life to be something external to themselves, which they must endure. The failures, the accidents, the illness and the suffering, ‘that’s life!’ They loved, they married, and now they are divorcing; once again ‘that’s life!’ No, this is not life. They call ‘life’ a string of mistakes, weaknesses and failures, without realizing that they themselves have created this deplorable existence. The Lord, their heavenly Father, has foreseen that one day they will be capable of living his life, the divine life, which is the true life."

"Every thing and every being becomes identical to that which eats it. This is a law. Fire in particular demonstrates the truth of this idea. When a tree is prey to flames, it can be said that the fire eats the tree. In eating the tree, fire transforms it, rendering the tree similar to itself. Because fire eats the tree, the tree becomes fire. The same thing takes place in our inner life: when we offer our entire being to the divine fire of love, it comes to take possession of us and devours us, rendering us like itself. Inwardly we possess enough material to feed the divine fire for eternity. By watching the fire burn, by attempting to understand how the flames work on the tree and transform it into light and heat, we ourselves become trees of light. "

"So many believers imagine that to please God, they need only keep his name constantly on their lips and conduct ceremonies in which they offer prayers to him and sing his praises! After that, it doesn’t matter if they behave badly, because God is a lenient and merciful Father who will easily forgive them all their faults. But tell me, are there many parents who would agree to such a situation? What parents would allow their children to behave however they like, providing the children praise them as the greatest, the wisest and the strongest? God is lenient and merciful, but only in the sense that he does not demand that we triumph over ourselves without fail. What he does require is that we have a clear idea of the direction we must take, and that we make efforts to walk the right path and to correct our mistakes when we make them."

"The goal of the spiritual life is to give birth within us to the divine Principle, to the Christ. This is a long and difficult work but, as soon the birth of the Christ takes place, it is unmistakable. As if heaven opened before us, a presence is revealed to us that supports, enlightens and protects us, and that brings us great joy. Even in the most terrible circumstances when we are the most discouraged, we feel that in spite of everything, we are helped. Yes, we have the sensation of a presence, of a flame that will never be extinguished. Even if we have no need of its intervention, we sense that it is always present, always at our disposal; and when we need it, it gives us all its light and warmth."

"Because human beings take so much pleasure in observing the negative aspects of others, in discussing them and deciding how they should be punished, they imagine that God does the same thing. But why do they attribute to God all their own unhealthy tendencies? God does not look at our mistakes: He has better and more beautiful spectacles to behold. You will say: ‘But God punishes human beings because He sees their sins.’ No, God does not punish them when they make mistakes. It is they themselves who, through their mistakes, create disorder in their minds, their hearts, and their souls, and these disorders then have negative repercussions in all aspects of their lives. That is the ‘punishment’: the consequence of a cause, a destructive and pernicious cause which they themselves have created."

"The belief that God sent ‘his only son’ to earth two thousand years ago to demonstrate his love for human beings has perhaps helped some of them to evolve over a period of time. Now, however, we must abandon such an outrageous belief, because it does not represent a proper understanding of God’s love, which is immense, inexhaustible, and infinite. God has had many sons and daughters, and he will have many more. For millions of years he has sent these exceptional beings to earth to enlighten their brothers and sisters, and he will continue to send others. He has no use for Christians who have forbidden him to send anyone, under any circumstances, after Jesus, or who claim that before the coming of Jesus human beings were deprived of the true light. As if the salvation of human beings depends on the epoch in which they lived: before Jesus or after Jesus! The Church may well insist on fixing a beginning and an end to the divine revelation, but the Lord himself is not impressed by such decrees. He is beyond this and takes no notice."

"All life depends on God, the cosmic Source. When the Source flows, birds sing, flowers bloom, and the sun and stars shine. The Source sustains and nourishes all creatures, and it is thanks to it that human beings exist, think and love. You must inscribe this truth not only in your notebook, but also on the pages of your inner book. The cabbalists said: ‘Inscribe the name of God on your door, your roof, your body, your face, your hands, in your soul and everywhere.’ For we are alive only if we know how to stay linked to the divine Source."

"Every day, try to re-establish contact with the divine Source so that it may feed your own source, the one that flows within you. Allow this Source to descend first of all into your heart, through love. Whatever happens, whatever bitterness, disappointments or trials you experience, never stop loving, for it is in loving that your heart purifies itself. Then, allow this Source to descend into your intellect, as light. Thanks to this light, you will avoid obstacles and snares; you will discern which path to follow and will advance with confidence. When the divine Source penetrates your soul, it will cause it to expand to the far reaches of the universe. You will merge into the immensity, carrying all beings with you. At last, when you have succeeded in allowing the Source to flow in your heart, your intellect and your soul, it will reunite with the primordial Source, which is your spirit, which is God himself. As a result, you will truly live the divine life, which is all powerful."

"Most people devote their days to the satisfaction of their desires and the realization of their ambitions. Do they ever question the nature of all these designs and projects? Do they ever think to turn to Heaven and ask: ‘O luminous spirits, are we in harmony with your plans? What is your opinion? What do you have in mind for us? Where and how must we work to accomplish your will?’ Very few ask themselves these questions. Nothing, however, is more important for a human being than to ask the entities of the invisible world to enable him one day to carry out the projects of heaven. Because at that very moment, his whole life changes: he is no longer guided by his whims, his weaknesses, and his blindness. In his efforts to know divine will, he puts himself on a different track; he takes a direction which corresponds to God’s plans, and he begins to live the true life!"

"So many people mistake their own will for the divine will! An idea, a passing desire, a conviction propels them in one direction or another and they are convinced they are carrying out the will of God! As if it were that easy! And as if God had to appeal to all these highly imperfect instruments in order to make His wishes known! To know the will of God and to become an instrument of this will, you must work tirelessly to free yourself of your weaknesses and limitations, because human beings can only enter into relationship with those entities and forces which correspond to their inner lives. This explains why many, thinking they are doing the will of God, are in fact serving entities of darkness."

"Innumerable entities in the divine world are busy preparing the conditions for our success and happiness, but we do not want to recognise their work. Why? Because what happens in our lives is different from what we have imagined or expected. But if our hopes and expectations were realised, we would perhaps be faced with even greater complications and disappointments. Have you thought about this? Divine wisdom responds to all our requests, but it does so through events we do not understand. Yes, we are not yet sufficiently clairvoyant to interpret the signs which would reveal to us the reasons for these events or encounters in our lives, or for the presence of certain people around us. One day we will understand them, but meanwhile we must trust heaven which has foreseen everything concerning our evolution."

"The more you link yourself to the divine Source, the more you attract entities who come to help and support you. In this way you become strong and radiant; you become master of yourself and possess the powerful key to self-realisation. Therefore, be fearful above all else of negative behaviour which distances these divine workers from you, because every mistake drives away these invisible friends by producing unpleasant odours which they cannot tolerate. Instead, put God in first place; pray and meditate in order to link yourself to Him, and His heavenly workers will pour the waters of the river of life over you and will illuminate you with their radiance. Open your soul to these rays of light and you will see before you a sublime world peopled with beings of extraordinary splendour."

"For the Christian who wants to become an instrument of the divine will, there is only one thing to do: follow the teachings of Jesus as found in the Gospels. What he said is simple and clear. Consider these verses alone: ‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind, and with all your strength,’ and, ‘You shall love your neighbour as yourself.’ Those who work earnestly to put God at the centre of their lives and who learn to conduct themselves with honesty, goodness, and tolerance towards their neighbour can claim that one day they will become instruments of the divine will. Otherwise, they live in illusion. As long as they have not purified themselves, as long as they have not created order in themselves, they will not become instruments of the divine will, but of all the evil entities seeking to penetrate human beings."

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Last Edited by Phennommennonn on 06/19/2012 08:19 AM

To forgive someone is to gain freedom from carrying resentment against them.

They have the lease on what is supposed to be called 'home'. Plus, denying me of legal rights as a parent. So called 'family'. Well, I came, I tried, I forgave, I served, I negotiated until I almost had heart failure - and now I quit their game. Thank God for 'services' when 'family' are the opposing party. It's unbelievable, really. But yeah, the love for my child gives me the courage I need to get through this - and into a place where we can just be. A place called Home.
Love as the foundation - not the chasing of a dollar, and the oppressing of individuals freedom to be themselves.

Yes, pin this, great thread.

So, people can knowingly control and intimidate others, and be considered doing their best? Nah, bullshit. My Mothers husband advised me (upon me voicing concerns at her dishonesty) that to be a success in life, I needed to understand that lies get people further. Meanwhile pointing a finger at me for being an incompetent parent. To me, now, having experienced this type of crap firsthand, it's just what I now consider evil. Knowingly misleading. Doing their best to destroy others through their own *fill in gap* insecurity. LOVE of MONEY AND POWER. The types that love disharmony.

Seriously, wow!

The only disagreeance I have with you, is that if some of us are truly God's children, then why should we look to Christ to teach us what God himself has placed inside us?

Christ was one of my brothers, yes, but was He more blessed than I? Time will tell.

Thank you for reminding me in my time of need.

There is a certain nobility to being able to forgive, in the right circumstances.

To hold a grudge in resentment can definitely be connected to some kind of weakness of willpower and ego-threat xxx

Yes, to err is human. Divinity is way away for me, if it's about accepting crimes against humanity. And, no, I no longer take this lot as my karma. My trust and love for family, and forgiveness of same, led them to just take advantage of the situation. My inaction in this case, led to my suffering. And my childs. Resentment gave me the fuel to see the truth and ask questions..instead of plodding on 'just for today', acceptance, blah blah...nope, nothing changes if nothing changes. resentment got me to a place of putting required action in to take steps to change this situation. On moral grounds. Human rights issues. Anti discrimination actions. Now, God will do what I can't do. There's a hell of a lot I am capable of, though.

Sorry Scuba - hardly helpful rants from me... here's one:

Resentment is like drinking poison with the hopes the other person will die.

It is hard when they continue to do the same things, over and over again, and expect different results.

Thanks, that is a pretty cool quote.

I'm gunna give you a couple of Nietzsche passages from his essay "Good and Evil," "Good and Bad" from the polemic 'On The Genealogy of Morality'. He talks a lot about resentment, using the french term "ressentiment".

"The beginning of the slaves' revolt in morality occurs when ressentiment itself turns creative and gives birth to values: the ressentiment of thoe beings who, being denied the proper response of action, compensate for it only with imaginary revenge. Whereas all noble morality grows out of a triumphant saying 'yes' to itself, slave morality says 'no' on principle to everything that is 'outside', 'other', 'non-self': and this 'no' is its creative deed."

(Nietzsche, 1887, First Essay, '10')


"The 'well-born' felt they were 'the happy'; they did not need first of all to construct their happiness artificially by looking at their enemies, or in some cases by talking themselves into it, lying themselves into it (as all men of ressentiment are wont to do); and also, as complete men bursting with strength and therefore necessarily active, they knew they must not separate happiness from action - being active is by necessity counted as part of happiness (this is the etymological derivation of [Greek: gennaios, noble, high-minded]) - all very much the opposite of 'happiness' at the level of the powerless, the oppressed, and those rankled with poisonous and hostile feelings, for whom it manifests itself as essentially a narcotic, an anaesthetic, rest, peace, 'sabbath', relaxation of the mind and stretching of the limbs, in short as something passive."

(Nietzsche, 1887, First Essay, '10')

Both these quotes are taken from "The Nietzsche Reader", ed. Ansell Pearson & Large (pp. 400-401).


I hope you liked them! xx

Last Edited by Ardhanarishvara on 06/19/2012 08:13 AM

So by being a slave you are more creative as the ego Universe will give you more power?

And saying Yes to yourself, and yes to others, you are robbed as others take as much off you as they can, but you do get freedom?

Thats how I read that.

???

Forgiveness today, is mostly new speak for allowing the perpetuation of evil in the World.

Everyone else has to suffer, for the messiah complexes of a few.

No, it's less creative, it's a negative creativity; the only creativity of someone in slave morality is that they construct imaginary revenge.

Saying yes to yourself is what establishes a positive creativity!

I think you've read it backwards <=) Slave morality = bad, Nobility = good xx


The noble-minded are triumphantly saying yes to themselves

The slave-minded are harming themselves, rather than saying "yes" to themselves they say "No" to everything that isn't them!

Last Edited by Ardhanarishvara on 06/19/2012 08:18 AM

I did. School of Hard Knocks philosophy. Yep, the universe is a hard task master, thats for sure. That's making sense. I've learned a lot - but I doubt the tools the universe uses to teach behave like that (consciously) to teach me...I dunno. But maybe a good perspective to see it from. Dad always said experience is the greatest teacher. It's all so warped, really. *sigh*

Last Edited by DoubleYou on 06/19/2012 08:19 AM

I believe that.

The Universe is a jungle, yet many think they can do as they please and it will be alright?!

Sorry, but it is not alright.

That makes more sense.

Thanks.